Sunday, December 16, 2012

When discussing the solution to gun violence, good people may disagree on the importance of gun control laws vs improved access to mental health services. But I think we can ALL agree that keeping guns and the mentally ill separate is a no brainer.

I just read this staggering by the Washington Post this morning:

Adam Lanza lived among guns. 

His mother, Nancy, collected them. She showed them off to her landscaper. 

“Guns were her hobby,” said Dan Holmes, the landscaper of Nancy Lanza’s sprawling yard here on the edge of town. “She told me she liked the single-mindedness of shooting.” 

Holmes said she even spoke of taking her son to the firing range to practice his aim.

The article goes on to detail the mother's fascination of, and perhaps even fetish for, guns.

She apparently collected a variety of weapons, and so far it appears she did so legally, in preparation for the need to protect herself.

She was so comfortable around the guns that she also took her son Adam to shoot them with her at the firing range. The same Adam who was, by all accounts, suffering with some rather severe mental health issues:  

"If that boy would've burned himself, he would not have known it or felt it physically," Novia told The Associated Press in a phone interview. "It was my job to pay close attention to that." 

"He would have an episode, and she'd have to return or come to the high school and deal with it," Novia said, describing how the young man would sometimes withdraw completely "from whatever he was supposed to be doing," whether it was sitting in class or reading a book. 

Adam Lanza "could take flight, which I think was the big issue, and it wasn't a rebellious or defiant thing," Novia said. "It was withdrawal."

And THIS is the child that his mother felt would benefit from learning how to accurately fire some of the numerous readily available guns in his home?

Now contrast THAT with the words of another mother struggling with a child that has mental health issues from an article now gone viral provocatively titled "I am Adam Lanza's Mother: 

"I live with a son who is mentally ill. I love my son. But he terrifies me. 

A few weeks ago, Michael pulled a knife and threatened to kill me and then himself after I asked him to return his overdue library books. His 7 and 9 year old siblings knew the safety plan—they ran to the car and locked the doors before I even asked them to. I managed to get the knife from Michael, then methodically collected all the sharp objects in the house into a single Tupperware container that now travels with me. Through it all, he continued to scream insults at me and threaten to kill or hurt me.

The author of that piece goes on to describe the difficult process of finding appropriate mental health services for her son, and it is a MUST READ in my opinion. 

However I must correct the title of this poor mother's article first.

She is most certainly NOT Adam Lanza's mother, which is evidenced by the fact that the recognized her son's potential for violence and took precautions to keep herself and her other children safe. And SHE was only dealing with knives!

Look I am certainly not going to speak ill of a woman who was murdered by her own son, however in the abstract the idea of living in a house full of guns with a person who is mentally unbalanced is, in my opinion, certifiably insane. (Now from some of the first person testimony we have read there IS the possibility that Nancy Lanza had some problems of her own, but I don't know enough right now to weigh how much that might have affected her judgement.)

I am sure that most of you agree with my statement above, but let me take you down the rabbit hole of mental health services for a moment. (Well at least the rabbit hole that exists in Alaska.)



I don't talk about my job very often on the blog, because usually it quite literally has NOTHING to do with what I write about. Friday that changed.

I do work with children suffering from mental health issues, and I have had to address many of the problems faced by the author of the above article and Nancy Lanza herself.

The problem associated with getting services for a child with depression, anger issues, or simply disruptive behaviors are incredibly complicated and almost ALWAYS requires that the child be hospitalized (Read "traumatized") at some point and quite often also requires the involvement of law enforcement.

Until a child is in what is defined as a "state of crisis" it is VERY hard to get much support, and the parent will receive virtually no financial help. However once a child is hospitalized and evaluated by the on staff psychiatrist, then the doors open up and the money flows.

However just because there is now money available does NOT mean that the correct services are also readily available. Unlike fixing a broken leg, or removing a kidney, the area of mental health is far less straight forward, and the same children can easily receive three different diagnoses from three different doctors. ( I have personally witnessed this almost a half dozen times.)

This means that while your child might receive plenty of attention and "services" they might do little to actually impact their underlying difficulty. This can result in years of frustration for both the parent and the child, and ultimately do little except manage certain behaviors chemically. but never actually provide the parents or the child with the tools or understanding necessary to help deal with the root problem.

And unlike a broken leg, these problems do NOT simply go away over time. Once properly diagnosed, the patient and their parents need to understand that this is now a life long situation, which they need to accept and then learn how to manage. The goal is to maintain the most normalized environment possible for the child, which sadly may not always be with the birth parent.

Now Nancy Lanza may not have understood the extent of her son's incapacity, nor wanted to risk losing him to the "system." Having said that she certainly SHOULD have been aware that having him living in a house surrounded by an arsenal of weapons was equivalent to dropping a lit match on a keg of gunpowder.

However lest we judge her too harshly let me introduce a conversation I once had with a licensed psychiatrist here in Anchorage, who by the way, like many Alaskan men, was also an avid hunter.

After a session with a mutual client, he asked me to stay after and discuss some of his concerns. During that conversation he suggested that the teenager in question might benefit from some time outdoors in the Alaska wilderness.

I concurred and suggested some carefully supervised camping trips and possibly a fishing trip or two.

"Well that would be a good start" he said, "But what do you think of the idea that I take him out hunting with me in few weeks. You know just to get him involved in some more masculine activities since he currently lives with two women?"

"Let me get this straight," I said. "You want to take a teenager with emotional problems, unpredictable mood swings, and a history of violence out into the woods FAR from law enforcement officials and hand him a rifle? The same boy who once beat a fellow student with a plastic baseball bat badly enough to require stitches?

"Well yeah but..."

"Let me tell you something Doctor, I know this kid, I know how hard it is for him to keep it together when he gets upset. You might both enter the woods for this hunting trip together, but only ONE of you is coming out. And buddy, it ain't you!"

And that was the last time we had a conversation like that.

Understanding the limitations of children with severe mental health issues, as well as their strengths, is vitally important to their futures.  The mother in the above article obviously understand that, Nancy Lanza, for whatever reason, clearly did not!

61 comments:

  1. Anonymous10:33 AM

    Careful, Gryphen, it is going to be all too easy to blame the mother. This has been going on for centuries. If she was mentally unstable, shouldn't she have not had guns? And BTW, it is my understanding that in Israel, for example, to own a gun a person has to prove they are stable enough, via psychiatric exam, to do so. Sounds like a good idea to me. And require insurance. If someone kills, ten the insurance company and the shrink are on the hook.

    But we also need to establish a mental health system that offers decent care, and doesn't criminalize parents in the process. And help regardless of ability to pay - after all, we pay either way.

    http://www.nwitimes.com/news/local/lake/crown-point/decision-may-affect-parents-children-with-mental-illness/article_effb2703-a3f0-57a9-b568-cc58b3ad0a4b.html

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    1. eclecticsandra11:12 AM

      It has been pointed out that testing for the mental health would be an invasion of privacy. How could we get around that?

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    2. Anonymous11:29 AM

      We should blame the mother. As more info surfaces, it becomes more and more apparent that Nancy Lanza's guns and her highly intelligent son's obvious access to them is what caused all those innocent children's deaths. Pretty simple. She was an accomplice to murder.

      Jennifer aka Media Insider

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    3. Anonymous11:57 AM

      The entire family dynamic needs to be addressed and looked at without "blame". The father moved out but he was there for many years. He may have continued to participate in the boys lives. We don't know much at this time but the mother/son relationship is vital to understanding what happened and hopefully making positive strides with the mental health matters. The family included a father, mother and two sons that I know so far.

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    4. Anonymous12:51 PM

      Mental health access is vital for the health and safety of our country. However, like everything else, it's complicated. You have the problem of parents who would abuse the access for their children. But much worse is the psychiatrist who abuses his position to get a long-term client. I'm sure that Gryphen can verify that.

      When my daughter spiraled out of control as a teenager,running away and abusing drugs, the court, at OUR request, ordered a psych evaluation. After a thirty minute session with me in the room about 15 of those minutes, the psychiatrist made his evaluation. He never talked to my daughter's father as an accident closed the highway in front of him on the way to the appointment.

      So after that 30 min evaluation, the doctor determined that the parents were unfit, the daughter was out-of-control, and that she needed at least two years as a live-in resident at the local facility. Oh yeah, and he would be happy to treat her. WTF? Fortunately, we had the right to suppress the report. The right to suppress is, of course, a two-edged sword. What if our daughter were severely emotionally disturbed and we suppressed the report? The mental health situation in America is a mess.

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      Anonymous12:51 PM

      It is a complex mess. Many troubled kids go into the military where there are more suppressed records about what really goes on.

      A total cover up with Dr. Laura's son.
      http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_-74pvoRezco/Rl7-g8dFCQI/AAAAAAAAAJM/BwBsr5DKsk8/s400/deryk_schlessinger_laura.jpg

      That pic is the good part. His writing and art work are real scary. Everything about him has been suppressed and covered up by the Pentagon no less.

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    6. Anonymous6:19 PM

      anon@1033, I agree with what you say. But my spidey sense is with G on this: the story with the mother strikes me as "off" in any number of ways, and not just the guns. Although the guns are a biggie. For that matter I wonder about the father as well. The split second the story broke, he or maybe his lawyer spun the narrative: amicable divorce, paid more alimony than what the court ordered, remained engaged in his son's life, etc.
      There is more to the story than what we've heard so far, I'll bet my bottom dollar on that.

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  2. Anonymous10:34 AM

    In the military they do a bang up job of separating the mentally ill and guns. How about we follow their protocol?

    Bill Bennett: "Let's remember the good things here: the heroism of those teachers and that principal," Bennett said on "Meet the Press." "And I'm not so sure -- and I'm sure I'll get mail for this -- I'm not so sure I wouldn't want one person in a school armed, ready for this kind of thing."
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/16/bill-bennett-education-secretary-connecticut-shooting_n_2311774.html

    If that armed school person is targeted first and taken out, better have a back up, too.

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    1. Anonymous11:54 AM

      Anonymous10:34 AM

      In the military they do a bang up job of separating the mentally ill and guns. How about we follow their protocol?
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      The mentally ill do not belong in the military.
      That's crazy. I really don't think the military would allow the mentally ill to remain.

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    2. Anonymous11:54 AM

      Like the "bang up job" the military did with Jeremy Morlock and his fellow soldiers?

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    3. Anonymous12:12 PM

      The Fort Hood shooter, Hasan, was an Army Major serving as a psychiatrist. He killed 13 people and wounded 29 others in 2009.

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    4. Anonymous1:03 PM

      The whole Jeremy Morlock story needs to come out. To know the truth would serve mankind and help us to not stay stuck down a rabbit hole indefinite.

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    5. Anonymous2:08 PM

      They may not be mentally ill in the military. They contact Post-traumatic stress disorder and the military fixes them with huge amounts of pharmaceuticals.

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    6. Anonymous2:09 PM

      Yeah , like how the military kept Palin pal Jeemy Morlock away from guns? Surely you jest .

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    7. Anonymous4:01 PM

      Did Jeremy also have the nasty, abusive
      Brad Hanson
      as his hockey coach?

      No surprise those kids grew up as violent and

      taking human parts for trophies

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    8. Anita Winecooler6:17 PM

      Great Idea, arm the teachers to the teeth, and some whack job with two assault weapons, a handgun, and a bullet proof kevlar vest will come and out-shoot you before you load your first bullet.

      Let's have Bennet sign a release form, do a "dry run" on the idea himself, THEN we'll "chat" about it.

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  3. Anonymous10:48 AM

    No one seems to be talking about the extremely violent video games that literally train kids to be killers - games which teach that there are no consequences because you can shut the game off and then play it again later.

    There was a programme about this a while back, and a small child was busy killing victims on the screen while the child's mother was being intervewed. The mother was asked by the interviewer, "Don't you worry about the effect of all this violance on your child?" "Oh, no," said the mother. "He knows it's only a game."

    A kid, especially a kid under seven, DOES NOT KNOW IT IS ONLY A GAME. It goes right into the subconscious. Not every child grows up to go into a building with guns blazing, but any young person who has watched too many of these vicious video games is now a trained killer.

    WHO is making these video games???? What is their underlying purpose???

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    1. Anonymous11:28 AM

      Do you know what kids did before video games? They played war, cops and robbers, or cowboys and indians with toy guns outside. I know our whole neighborhood used to get involved. All the kids would divide up into two teams and kill each other all the time. Not actually killing but we'd go bang bang and you'd be out of the game.

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    2. Anonymous11:32 AM

      Yes, every time I post about this somewhere all these characters coming out saying "I own X amount of guns and I play 20 hours of Call of Duty Black Ops 2 or whatever a week and I NEVER KILLED ANYONE." That's not the point. The point is for people already suffering from depersonalization and disassociation, participating in tens of thousands of simulated murders (playing these games) each year is DEFINITELY, let's say, not making them any HEALTHIER.

      Jennifer aka Media Insider

      PS I say this speaking as someone who knows five males age ranges 15 to 30 who are addicted to video games, borderline autistic, have expressed violent intentions to their parents, and are a FUCKING MURDER WAITING TO HAPPEN. But their parents see "sitting them down in front of a video game" as a harmless babysitting activity.

      Jennifer aka Media Insider

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    3. Anonymous10:48 AM
      "What is their underlying purpose???"

      On the business side, it's always about $$$--- to earn profits for the game developer, animators, manufacturer/assemblers, "middle-men" in the channels of distribution, transporters, marketers, retailer, sales person --- all of the different cogs in the food chain of bringing goods & services to market for consumers.

      On the consumer side, I would assume that it would be primarily a vehicle for recreation or "entertainment". These types of "baby-sitter" electronics, just like TV programs and movies, can affect the attitudes of some immature kids and adults alike. I'm just not sure how much they actually directly affect different individuals and their attitudes towards violence.

      Something that I did find shocking to my senses a few years back was the "laser tag" games that were such a hit with my son and his friends wanted to play every weekend. It was good exercise and pretty intense competition, but I was glad it was just a phase for them while they were tweeners.

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    4. The most extreme killing games are being funded and produced by the Pentagon in cahoots with a few software developers with the specific the hope that the games DO desensitize teen boys and have them sign up for military duty so they CAN kill with abandon.

      Follow the money before blaming the kid or the parents...the games that kill humans are rooted in the military industrial complex massive skills & funding to marketing to the inherent blood lusting American males raised in a specific type of "family values" targeted demographics.

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    5. Anonymous12:10 PM

      Interesting. I had a recent experience with a 17 year old gamer. It was an eye opener for me. He had been programmed like Sarah's son to solve his problems by joining the Army when he turns 18. The time I was around him several things came out but mostly he was secretive and dark about what he really felt or thought. It was mostly comments and his so called sense of humor. A few times he did talk about settling his childhood abuse by killing. I didn't see the games he wanted but did see some of the things on the internet that he was attracted to. It is horrible. I know he had revenge feelings and I wondered what all he was plotting. The little he did reveal was bad enough.

      There must be many, many kids who play those violent games and their parents don't even have a clue how grim that training is.

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    6. Anonymous12:23 PM

      11:28 AM

      Killing games now are very intense and a realistic walk through actual killing. The kids feel powerful and exhilarated when they score a dead body. It is not the olden times when the Army would train snipers. These kids and also soldiers are emotionally experiencing taking out masses of people with more blood than you want to imagine. Over and over and over and over. Of course, they love it and are desensitized to the experience. That is why it works for the military whose job it is to train killers. The problem is that young kids are watching these over and over. They get mesmerized and addicted to it.

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    7. Anonymous1:58 PM

      11:28..you are talking about apples and oranges, playing with cap guns with the neighborhood kids is totally different than the kids now a days sitting alone playing those video games for hours and everyday from when they are preteen boys till they are in their 20's..yes it desensitized them. A lot of these kids have no social skills, they never talk on the phone, they text each other, if they are home schooled they don't develop close school friends. A lot parents nowadays are not home to even see what their kids are doing, to busy with work, church and everything else in their lives that these boys grow up on their own..I see it every day in a couple of people I know..it is very SAD.

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    8. Anita Winecooler6:20 PM

      And playing Ms.PACMAN makes kids overeat! That's my excuse and I'm sticking to it.

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    9. WakeUpAmerica6:46 PM

      Begonia, what are the sources for the info you posted?

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  4. Anonymous11:02 AM

    I don't talk about my job very often on the blog, because usually it quite literally has NOTHING to do with what I write about.

    Although I hope that the overlap between current events and your job continues to be rare, it's good to hear your authoritative voice on the subject.

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  5. Anonymous11:16 AM

    I hope the entire season isn't filled with more senseless violence http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/man-suspected-shooting-50-rounds-calif-mall-article-1.1221509

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  6. I still cannot bring this issue into a clear focus in my mind. It has so many layers, and the tragic outcome--- all of the young ones and their teachers being slaughtered with absolutely no provocation--- just overwhelms me in trying to analyze what could actually be done to effectively prevent these senseless acts from recurring.

    I hear a lot of knee-jerk "solutions" being tossed about, but these have mainly been top-of-mind emotional responses by rote, not a careful analysis of all of the ramifications of designing and implementing a solution.

    Thanks to the reader who provided the link to the "I am Adam Lanza's Mother" essay, and to you, G, for re-posting it. It showed me just how much I DON'T KNOW about the extent of the problems we have in our country in dealing with a major health problem that affects so many families, too often with devastating outcomes.

    I hope folks will continue to talk about their experiences and share resources like the article mentioned above. We just can't sit on our hands and expect this problem to "work itself out", and the stakes are too high to avoid confronting the problem.

    IMO, before we can seriously propose effective solutions, we've got to recognize our own ignorance of the scope of the problem. But if this is just treated as a political football in a turf war, we all lose. This is a time for those of us without expertise in the realm of these social issues to listen to those who have the information gleaned from experience.

    Thanks for everyone's input.


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    1. Anita Winecooler6:26 PM

      Excellent post, I totally concur. I think it's human nature to seek out the who, what, where, when, how, and why of things too hard to comprehend fully.

      I've found many comments and links helpful as well. And we DO need to keep this conversation going so these innocents didn't die in vain.

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  7. The difference between this mother and Nancy Lanza is that Nancy Lanza (by all accounts I have so far read) was in denial and an enabler.

    She home-schooled her son rather than get him help. And she taught him to use guns, rather than keeping them away from him.

    Why anyone would have guns in the house with such a child, I have no idea.

    I don't believe in not speaking ill of the dead. I believe in calling a spade an spade.

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    1. Anonymous12:27 PM

      Where was the father? I know they divorced but heard they were married 20 or so years. Did he continue to be in Adams life? Ryan worked in his father's field. Did the father have any clue she was a Prepper and about the guns she was teaching him to use?

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  8. Even though mental health services may be available. it is nearly impossible to force a mentally unbalanced person use the services or medication. It is equally impossible to think guns locked in a cabinet are going to be inaccessible since 'where there is a will, there is a way'

    Lanza tried to purchase guns before the shooting but was put off by the two-week waiting period, hence the ready access to mom's guns were his ticket to mass murdering helpless children.

    His mother needing a Bushmaster rifle being advertised as the "civilized version that will allow you to out shoot SWAT" is one of the Bushmaster models of that rifle available.

    The UN-civilized version of this Bushmaster model group is breathlessly spoken of by the gods & guns ilk as the best killingest gun in the world.

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  9. Anonymous11:50 AM

    Every month, I pay almost $900 for BlueCrossBlueShield Alaska for my family of 4, with a $3,000 deductible before the 80/20 coverage kicks in. This is with no eye-care coverage and no braces coverage and absolutely ZERO mental health coverage. If I need to see a psychiatrist or psychologist, I'm on my own. I swear to God, mental health coverage is absolutely important and necessary. The Democratic Party need to add mental health coverage to Obamacare.

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  10. Anonymous11:51 AM

    The mother said she use to take her son (who was 'off')to the firing rage to perfect his aim. And little children turned out to be the targets. This REALLY angers me.

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    1. Anonymous12:24 PM

      Early today. Connecticut investigators stated that they have checked out all the firing ranges and not one of them have the Lanzas on record as customers.

      She may have, as many gun lovers do, gone to remote areas in the country side to shoot until their hearts' content & dream of the day they had an excuse to use their weapons... but as for the official investigation's statement, she is unknown to the local ranges.

      By the way, in other news/interviews the shooter is spoken of as having been autistic.

      It has been reported in endless studies that home schooled children in homes with a specific mindset like Mrs. Lanza's...is a recipe for disaster since the child grows up without social skills, without empathy for others...compound that with autism it seems this woman most certainly created the monster that killed her and others.





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      12:24 PM

      If it is fact, that Adam Lanza shot so many people repeatedly and point blank in the head, it seems he had target practice somewhere. Or did he learn it all playing video games?

      As I understand the mother and son lived alone together in that big house. They may not communicate or talk. They may not have seen much of one another. It will be interesting to learn if she kept the guns well secured and how he got to them.

      I am trying to think about having a sister in Nancy's situation. What would I do? The sister, Marsha, said Nancy was a "survivor" she seemed to feel she was safe with her stash of guns and the son with problems.

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  11. In the US 46 children are shot EVERY DAY, 8 die, 36 survive EVERY DAY.

    16,790 children are shot EVERY YEAR, 2920 die, 13140 survive.

    Approximately 10, 000 have died in the wars of Afghanistan and Iraq since 9/11...120,000 have been killed from gun violence in the US and 3 times as many are survivors of gun violence in that same time period.


    http://www.cdc.gov/injury/wisqars/index.html …


    "Mass shootings by definition share a theme of mental health deficiencies, but they account for a very small amount of all gun deaths in the US, perhaps 3/10ths of 1%. While I am all for improving a woefully deficient system of addressing mental illness in the US, I am very uncomfortable with this meme that seems to be gaining steam that mental illness is at the core of our entire gun problem in the US, and that sensible gun regulation is therefore not needed.

    I was tipped off when the NRA ballyhooed this theory the same day as the attack as a grand diversionary tactic. "Gun violence is all because of mental illness, so let's exclusively address that issue. Our laws are fine." That meme seems to be an exceedingly transparent attempt to legitimize any other use of a gun, which could include protection, crime, coercion, and political activity (war).

    In other words, all the ways the gun crowd would tend to use their own guns.

    An important statistic which I have never seen a single member of the gun crowd adequately address, is that America's rate of violent gun deaths is 20 times as high as the average of the 38 developed nations that have instituted common sense gun regulation. Excessive gun ownership in itself translates directly to a drastic increase in both violent crimes and gun deaths.

    Regulation works to reduce gun violence and deaths across nations and across cultures. It would work for us too, but we lack the political will to try it. Blaming mental illness for the various social ills resulting from unrestricted access to guns is a major cop out.

    ~ Kerry"

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    1. Anonymous12:35 PM

      My position is that we need mental health coverage And tighter gun laws. The fools who horde guns for Armageddon are the ones who need mental health coverage the most. Most of the people I've met who have multiple guns are so full of fear that they will shoot first because they think a bullet is the solution to almost any problem.

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    2. Anonymous1:34 PM

      I like that you mentioned those killed by the US Military in Afghanistan. Many civilians are killed as well, including children, by US Military Drone Attacks in Pakistan and Northern Afghanistan.

      It angers me that some of the same people that are outraged by the deaths of these kids on Connecticut are fully onboard with the wholesale slaughter of innocent children by our military. Where's the outrage, people? We need to have the conversation about our overzealous US Military run amok in the Middle East.

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  12. From my friend, Bruce Lindner.
    Some interesting stats: the 6 deadliest years of the Vietnam War were 1965-1970. During that period, 54,493 Americans were killed (and 10 times that many Vietnamese).

    During the 6 year period between 2006 and 2011 (2012 figures still being compiled), 57,002 Americans died from gun-related deaths. We never ended the Vietnam War, we just brought (a version) of it home.

    --Dave.

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    1. Anonymous12:31 PM

      In time a country can get use to almost anything. Sometimes it just comes with the territory. Be thankful we are not yet Syria, Pakistan, Gaza, Afghanistan or the many other places with so much violence toward children.
      http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/16/syria-refugee-camps_n_2310152.html

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  13. Anonymous12:10 PM

    From talkingpointmemo.com

    "Nancy Lanza, had such a stock of weapons, particularly military style weapons like the .223 Bushmaster.....She wasn’t just into guns. She was apparently stocked up for when the economy collapses and when everyone’s on their own with their guns. Yeah, like that."

    Well yes, she was alone with her guns & son when she orchestrated her own collapse while providing access to weapons of mass destruction for the son she home schooled due to his mental health issues.

    NBC host David Gregory said that Meet the Press had reached out to every gun rights advocate in the U.S. Senate, but none agreed to come on the political talk show.

    Gohmert: ‘I wish to God’ Connecticut principal had an M4 assault rifle"

    George Will Never Be Honest...
    says ‘unparented’ boys causing gun violence
    ...'unparented' and home schooled by stay at home mom are typical of Will never researching before he goes to print.

    (Lanza's parents were divorced when their son was already grown)

    Feinstein pledges assault weapons ban bill on ‘first day’ of Congress

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  14. Anonymous12:27 PM

    Normal people can become mentally ill. Mentally ill people have access to numerous weapons that can kill/injure many people, for example, a high-speed auto in a crowd.

    An assault rifle is probably the most compact, transportable weapon will an enormous kill potential. Restricting the existence of such weapons WILL reduce a mentally ill person's capacity to commit mayhem.

    But testing (and re-testing) purchasers is really pointless. A perfectly sane buyer may have an insane relative, neighbor, friend of a friend. We need to eliminate assault weapons in the general population. Ownership of such weapons is NOT constitutionally protected.

    While we wait (yet again) for the gun lobby to bludgeon the politicians into gibbering cowards, we need to demand immediate action. Has there been a shooting on airport concourse lately? Of course not. There is a ridiculous number of TSA agents securing airports. We need exactly the same security at every school in this country. We need a secure perimeter, metal detectors for access and an armed guard to halt/slow a determined attacker.

    When the politicians say "too expensive", tell them to tax the gun manufacturers. Our kids deserve it.

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    1. Anonymous10:50 PM

      Yes, I agree with you totally: Normal people can become mentally ill.

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  15. GRYPHEN and all

    here's great, heart-warming, ALASKAN story:

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    1. oops, forgot link

      http://www.democraticunderground.com/1018245072

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    2. Thanks, wayofpeace.

      Best fishing story I've read in a long time. No, make that best EVER. I needed this today.

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  16. Anonymous12:55 PM

    Those with mental health problems have a hard enough time in this country without being improperly associated with violence. It's not enough to keep guns away from those with mental illness. The focus should be on responsible gun laws which would include banning assault weapons, waiting periods for purchasing guns, background checks, banning sales at gun shows, etc..
    "Focus on mental illness in the gun debate is misleading."

    "Columbia University psychiatrist Paul Appelbaum has found that less than 3-5% of American crimes are perpetrated by mentally ill people, and for crimes involving guns the percentages are even lower."

    http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/41344_Gun_Control-_Dont_Fall_for_the_Mental_Health_Diversion#rss

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  17. Anonymous1:23 PM

    I had a schizophrenic cousin and until he was institutionalized he spent many days locked in a cottage on my aunt and uncle's property. He had a nurse come twice daily to administer his meds and food was taken to him three times per day. There were times when he was allowed in the main home, but he was more often than not locked in his room, but as he grew into his mid teens those times were few and far between. Finally, his parents decided to institutionalize him, finally, after spending most of his life alone because they didn't want to institutionalize him. He spent 35 years in a private mental institution until he died. He couldn't be fixed and he couldn't be trusted around other people because no one knew when he would "snap".

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    1. Anonymous1:47 PM

      As a kid we use to go to a "haunted house". It was the former home of a family with a mentally ill child. They had built a large outdoor cage. It added to all the scary lore and vibe of the place. This is not a new problem A family with money could afford to build or house the troubled relatives. What happened to the ones with family and no means?

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  18. Anonymous1:34 PM

    Wow: Waiting for the Apocalypse
    http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/2012/12/wow_waiting_for_the_apocalypse.php
    “Last time we visited with her in person we talked about prepping and you know, are you ready for what can happen down the line when the economy collapses,” said the gunman’s aunt, Marsha Lanza.
    The reporter asked, “Survivalist kind of thing?”
    “Yea,” said Marsha Lanza.
    Nancy’s guns were supposed to be for self defense. Marsha Lanza called her nephew a special needs child. So far, no motive has been released.
    “Just pray for peace,” said Marsha Lanza. “Do I think gun laws need to be changed? No. It’s the person that does the killing, not the gun.”
    ~~~~

    I just saw several of Nancy Lanza's friends interviewed who painted a somewhat different picture of her. According to them she was not a "survivalist". She was a very lovely, competent, well adjusted, thorough, caring and safety conscious person.

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    1. Anita Winecooler6:41 PM

      I saw the same interviews earlier, they seem like "ladies who lunch", Nancy boasted of having a house in New Hampshire, loved entertaining, had her house landscaped, then lamented that no one could appreciate it because the house is set back from the road.
      She had a stockpile of weapons and ammo in a house with a fragile mentally ill son.
      Why didn't any of her "friends" speak up?

      They sound like they were as much in denial as Linda was about the situation.
      Some "friends" aren't worth having.

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  19. Anonymous1:34 PM

    While I don't have a problem with keeping guns away from violent people with mental illness, I stumble on:

    1. what counts for mental illness? how will it be defined and lines drawn?

    2. Are mentally ill really more prone to gun violence than those not mentally ill?

    3. What is the operational definition that would be used.

    This reminds me of the debate about making abortion legal for rape (by those who do not wish many, if any exceptoins). How will "rape" be defined? I know what rape is, but I don't know how to draw a line for deciding if someone can have an abortion (just note, I am pointing out the absurdity of the position and that I think when it comes time to define things, these folks won't be as compassionate about rape as it sounds; I'm pro-choice)Back to guns and the parallel:

    How will "mental illness" be defined?

    Will having a diagnosis be a deterrent to seeking help by those most needing in in gun-loving communities?

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  20. Anonymous4:52 PM

    Obama arrives in Newtown
    Police: School gunman had hundreds of bullets on him
    For the fourth time in his four years as president, Obama will lead awful rituals of mass death and national grief. Obama made similar visits to Fort Hood, Tex., in 2009, Tucson in 2011 and Aurora, Colo., this July — each time, in the aftermath of a gunman’s spree. Obama has tended to focus on emotion and healing in these moments, touching only lightly on the subject of guns and gun control.
    Now, however, Obama will face a new and higher level of pressure from advocates of gun control, saying that this time, he must do more than simply grieve.
    They want him to make a strong push for new laws to restrict weapons like the semiautomatic rifle used in Friday’s massacre.
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/obama-once-again-cast-in-role-of-comforter-in-chief/2012/12/16/661f183c-4791-11e2-820e-17eefac2f939_story.html

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  21. Anonymous5:40 PM

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2249230/Changing-face-killer-How-gunman-went-fresh-faced-schoolboy-home-schooled-loner-liked-burn-lighter.html

    One of Lanza’s former classmates spoke of his ‘noticeable decline’ after his parents’ divorce. ‘He was a loner at school and hyper intelligent,’ he said. ‘But in recent years he disappeared off the radar.
    ‘The word is that he was badly affected when his parents split and that might be what pushed him over the edge.
    ‘He was always weird but the divorce affected him. He was arguing with his mother. He was a ticking time bomb waiting to explode.’
    A relative to the family said that Adam Lanza was ‘obviously not well,’ adding that he often seemed troubled. They described Nancy as being rigid and at times, overbearing.

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  22. Anita Winecooler6:55 PM

    I read the article and have to admit, I've been pretty harsh on the mother since this began, and feel horrible about it because I can't see any mother or father A)Not get help for a mentally ill child and/or B)Have an arsenal of various weapons and ammunition readily available. I'm starting to think that Linda also suffered from some kind of mental illness.

    Has anyone hear or seen of any information about the son being officially diagnosed with Asbergers?

    I've worked tangentially with the Asperger's community in the past, and I've never seen a direct link between Asperger's and Violence. Most don't have the skillset to prepare for and execute an attack of this proportion, to the contrary, they're generally off in a world of their own. Maybe Adam suffers from something more serious, or a combination of illnesses ?

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    1. Anonymous2:06 AM

      According to some recent reports by mental health experts there is no link between Aspergers & violence.

      The early 20's are said to be the common age for Schizophrenia to appear. That may have been the trigger, but I'd go along with a combination of disorders because of his previous history.

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  23. Gryphen -- This story warrants needs an update. Liza Long is getting a lot of publicity since the Newtown shootings with a post that claims her oldest son is mentally ill, but she had described him as polite and well-behaved previously.

    She did also write that her son's admiration for President Obama annoyed her, and that she had violent fantasies about harming her children, apparently due to the stress of her divorce and raising the kids on her own.

    All is not as it seems here.

    http://sarahkendzior.com/2012/12/16/want-the-truth-behind-i-am-adam-lanzas-mother-read-her-blog/

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    1. Anonymous4:45 AM

      That is worth a read. Very interesting.

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  24. Anonymous2:01 AM

    There was a national reporter from CBS on TV last night who was the only one I'd heard commenting on the mother (up to that point). He said that she had turned into an avid gun collector since her divorce & who spent a lot of time at a local gun range, taking her sons with her. She was said to want to be able to protect herself against the "communists." The Republicans have a lot to answer for by continually stirring up the fear & hate in their base.

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