Saturday, December 07, 2013

Christian conservatives have got playing victim down to a science. Gee, if only I could think of an example of someone who did that.

Courtesy of Salon: 

Religious freedom and separation of church and state have always been hated concepts to the religious right. Indeed, it’s fair to say that the religious right exists to fight any legal or cultural support for people who don’t want their narrow definition of Christianity foisted on them. From objecting to gay marriage to trying to wedge creationism in schools, the religious right exists as a political movement for the purpose of stripping away religious freedom and establishing their religious beliefs as the dominant organizing force in law, politics and culture. 

So why then are we hearing all these people who live their lives attacking religious freedom complaining all the time that “religious freedom” is under attack from liberals? Whydoes every religious-right publication and event echo the claim that right-wing Christians are somehow being stripped of the very right to religious freedom the right has worked tirelessly to take from everyone else for decades? 

The simple answer is they’re lying. Claiming the mantle of victimhood is so politically potent that religious-right leaders are going to do it, no matter how untrue it is, because, to be blunt, they’re not held back by any moral interest in honesty. Getting Grandma to think she’s going to lose her church is a great way to get her to sign her Social Security check over to your organization. 

The longer answer is that the religious right has concocted a new strategy to squelch religious freedom: By redefining “religious freedom” to mean its opposite. The hope is that by repeatedly using the term “religious freedom” when they mean “giving the Christian right power to impose their faith on others,” they can eventually drain the phrase of all its meaning and finally, after decades of fighting secularism, make it easier for the religious right to strip away individual protections for religion. In other words, they hope by saying that up is down long enough, the public and the courts will finally believe it. 

This attitude—that their “religious freedom” can only be protected if they get to foist their faith on everyone else—is nakedly obvious every year when the whining about the mythical “war on Christmas” begins. Needless to say, there is no war on Christmas. There is no effort whatsoever to prevent anyone from celebrating Christmas, buying Christmas presents, going to mass on Christmas, or playing that Manheim Steamroller record until you want to claw your ears out. Without fail, every example the right comes up with to prove there’s a war on Christmas is, in fact, something else: An attempt to recognize that not everyone is a Christian and respect that there are multiple holidays people may be celebrating in lieu of, or in addition to, Christmas. 

This belief that Christians, particularly right-wing Christians, are entitled to be acknowledged at the exclusion of everyone else and entitled to have their holidays held out as more important than everyone else’s cropped up immediately after Thankgiving, right on schedule this year. The National Republican Congressional Committeetweeted out a picture of a T-shirt they’re selling that says, “’Happy Holidays’ is what liberals say,” in Comic Sans font, of course. On the back it reads, “Merry Christmas.” The “joke” doesn’t make sense unless the viewer agrees with the premise that conservative Christians are better than everyone else, and in order to honor how much more important they are, all other holidays and faith traditions need to be hidden away, as if they’re shameful.

 You know it may seem as if these people are simply ridiculous and that the only appropriate response is to mock them, but I have to remind myself that these people are potentially dangerous, and that if they WERE to get their way in establishing Christianity as the state sponsored religion, that the social injustices and oppression would start piling up almost immediately.

That idea, which seems less and less likely as our population becomes less and less religious, is still one that keeps me on edge and my attention focused on the various strategies utilized by religious groups attempting to hold onto power or gain more influence over out education, politics, and media.

Bill O'Reilly and Sarah Palin may be driving around in a clown car, but there are more nefarious goings on in the shadows that their bulbous noses and fright wigs may distract us from noticing. 

45 comments:

  1. Anonymous6:44 AM

    She is a victim.
    http://chickaboomer.com/2012/10/the-skinny-on-sarah-palin.html

    She just misplaces her victimhood.
    http://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(79)90060-6/abstract

    'I'm writing a fitness book!' Sarah Palin hits back as the row grows over her shocking new skinny figure

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  2. Anonymous7:25 AM

    I think its really funny that Pope Francis is calling out these fakers and they don't like it! He is basically calling the christian right wingers or teabags a "Cult" of ideologues!
    As far as the fake christian right is trying to push their anti-birthcontrol on workers with the HC mandate will be heard by SCOTUS (hobbylobby) in spring I've heard. They have recently refused to hear "Liberty Uni" so I hope they will refuse or deny Hobby Lobby.
    I would seem incredible IF they won, b/c of sep of church and state/gov but as G points out these are dangerous people who are on their last legs as people are leaving the churches b/c of RW politics and this phony war on xmas crap.
    Palin makes it worse b/c EVERYONE is sick of her.
    I'm hoping that Catholics that vote teabag/Con will change and b/c more liberal thanks to Pope Francis.
    We can hope for a miracle. The world depends on
    people caring about the earth and the environment and not being so focused on the all mighty dollar, like right winger are. And everyone should be able to worship what ever religion or NO religion if they choose. But as always been the case with Religion they force it down your throat...they did this with all of Native Americans.
    Be a "christian" or die. :(
    We need to all be part of the "human tribe" and not any one religion.JMO. G thanks for covering these issues...

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    1. Anonymous10:19 AM

      I so like Pope Francis!!!

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  3. That was a good piece, and Salon is widely read. I agree it’s more sinister than just a few idiots.

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    1. Anonymous7:49 AM

      I do too. While I think that Sarah Palin is an idiot, I do not dismiss the damage she has done, is doing and will continue to do. She represents the very worst in our society and that worst is the greatest danger to our system of government today as it has been throughout our history.
      Beaglemom

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    2. Anonymous8:43 AM

      Sarah Palin is an ugly little abscessed pimple on the face of her god and an inaudible bleep on the world stage.

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  4. A. J. Billings7:41 AM

    We are just seeing the beginning of all the lunacy and insanity that the Christian ultra right are going to be rolling out..

    Here's the playbook for next year.

    The fight over Thanksgiving
    The war on Christmas
    Jihad on Easter
    Armeggedon on 4th of July.
    Holy combat on election day
    Fasting to death in front of women's health centers
    Kidnapping children from gay couples
    Murder of abortion doctors and nurses
    Birth control pills are made illegal as an instrument of Satan.
    Rape insurance becomes mandatory in Southern states.
    Christianity becomes state religion of Mississippi, Alabama, and South Carolina.


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  5. Anonymous7:46 AM

    When I first about this "War on Christmas" that the Right is pretending exists, I heard them making a fuss about people saying "Merry Christmas instead of "Happy Holidays, I was incredulous. Not only is the War on Christmas NOT happening, but the etymology of the world Holiday, is HOLY DAY, as any educated 4th grader should know. So "Happy Holidays" means "Happy HOLY Days!"

    So it seems that what they're really so pissed about is people wishing them (and each other) happiness during the Holy Season commemorating Christ's birth, rather than simply a sweet and pleasant experience of the "Mass" (religious service of the Catholic church) held to commemorate to commemorate Christ's birth.

    It's the same thing, dummies! How mega-stupid can you be? Can't you even consult a dictionary or wikipedia and figure this out?

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    1. Olivia10:57 AM

      It goes further. Apparently the Happy Holidays rage is because some merchants and business people didn't want to offend potential or actual customers by saying Merry Christmas so as not to lose any money in sales from the many groups and individuals who may not have Christmas in their culture. Employees were directed to say Happy Holidays instead of Merry Christmas to keep the money flowing in. It's all about money and NOTHING to do with a war on Christmas for any religious reason. The whole thing was just another perceived victimization of "Christians" and just another big fat lie, which is what many Christians seem to have become expert at.

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  6. Anonymous7:50 AM

    The message of Christ was of Love, Hope, Charity, and Humility.
    I measure the "righteous right" against His words.
    Their anger and hate take away any pretense that they're "christians," and reveal that they're just a nasty cult that wants to use religion to dominate the gullible. They're no more Christ-like than the Hell's Angels. Sarah Palin is a false prophet, eager for power and money.

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  7. Anonymous7:54 AM

    Here's what the religious right has caused - years ago, if someone wished me a Merry Christmas, I would have said the same, or "to you ,too." Today, I pointedly tell them some version of 'not everyone celebrates that holiday, or wish them a "Good Yule" or "Happy Saturnalia" or Happy Holidays... and complain to their manager - the radical right has incited push back.

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    1. Anonymous8:29 AM

      If someone wishes me a Merry Christmas, I say, "Happy Holidays." There's no reason to reinforce the "angry atheist" stereotype (unless I hear people complaining that they have to say Happy Holidays instead of Merry Christmas).

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    2. Anonymous8:58 AM

      Happy Solstice!!

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    3. Anonymous10:16 AM

      I agree w/you 7:54! I've not purchased holiday cards w/"Merry Christmas" on them in years. I go much more generic (as do many other Americans) due to so many of my friends being of different faith than just christian. Heck, I don't even send cards to some of them!

      The extreme right is seeing more and more backfire due to their continued rants and raves - i.e. Billy Bob on FOX and Scarrey Sarrey!

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  8. Anonymous8:07 AM

    OT, but I find it very suspect that Sarah posts on Facebook and in 1 minute there are 560 likes. Is there a way to attach automatic likes to every post?

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    1. Anonymous8:43 AM

      I have no problem believing that 560 people do like Sarah Palin. There may even be 5600 of them. But I wouldn't worry too much.

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    2. Anonymous8:57 AM

      She probably purchased Romney's computer support. Fake supporters.

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    3. Anonymous9:07 AM

      Oh the magic of technology! Machines never lie.

      "The simple answer is they’re lying."

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    4. Anonymous10:12 AM

      I still think that the only reason that Americans actually follow her do so because they haven't been able to believe what she has projected these past years.

      She's a proven liar and fraud, projects herself to be christian (when she doesn't live or act like one!), doesn't follow rules, has delinquent kids/adults, has a joke of a marriage, both she and Todd have had affairs, was proven to be unethical by the Alaska Legilsature, is poorly educated, not smart, hasn't held a real job for any length of time and is just a nasty, angry, evil mess!!

      There are very, very few across the nation that respect or admire her. She just makes nasty noise - is a racist and evil through and through!

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  9. Anonymous8:15 AM

    Mormons are obsessed with their victim status. They love to relive their history of religious persecution. Many of them don't seem to realize they have much more to fear from the evangelical right than the atheist left.

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  10. Anonymous8:39 AM

    Foreign Press Says What America’s Won’t: Sarah Palin is a Traitor

    ...Ms Palin’s heavily moderated Facebook page was just months ago full of comments calling for the death of our President, sedition, and the overthrowing of the Obama administration as being God’s will. Those comments were left standing while comments questioning Ms Palin in any way were scrubbed. Ms Palin stands for a level of vitriolic, simmering revulsion so steeped in delusions of self-righteousness, it’s tough to swim to sanity once you’ve been washed in the blood of her particular lamb.

    We are at war, facing a global economic crisis, still reeling from a devastating oil spill and now facing the challenges brought on by the WikiLeaks dump. Yet, on every issue of importance, Palin has inserted herself with jarring accusations against the President, offering nothing but malicious hate fueled by a failure to understand what she doesn’t understand.

    Ms Palin’s particular brand of tabloid patriotism leaves out anyone who disagrees with her, beats her in a contest, dares to question her, or has the temerity to actually read and debate important issues. She’s become an international embarrassment:

    “If Sarah Palin is not some kind of a massive political joke in the USA, wheeled out to liven up the political scene from time to time with nonsensical and pastiche (one hopes) displays of sheer and utter ignorance, then it is worrying.”

    Sarah Palin is the figurehead for an unpatriotic movement here in the United States of America. A movement so bereft of love for this country that they would go to any means to see it fail, in order to elevate themselves into power. A movement which just yesterday met with the democratically elected President of this fine country and then immediately stabbed him in the back in their post-game press conference.

    more here:
    http://www.politicususa.com/2013/12/06/sarah-palin-traitor.html

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    1. Anonymous10:04 AM

      The woman needs to be put in shackles and seated on the U.S. Congress steps for all to see and admonish! I want to see her rot in jail and then hell! Oh, she is such a fine, fine christian woman! My ass!

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  11. Anonymous8:51 AM

    Sarah Palin said that before her debate with Joe Biden, she looked for people to make a prayer circle with her, but the only person who would pray with her was Piper. No one was stopping Sarah from praying as much as she wanted, to whomever or whatever she prays. When football players on both teams pray for a win, how does God pick the winning team?

    The answer is that people can pray anytime they want, anywhere they want, and in whatever religion they choose. No one has physically barred Palin from attending church. Bristol admits that she is too busy to go to church, but Tripp prays before every meal and at bedtime. (Don't make me write down Tripp's prayers, but for all that Bristol knows, maybe Tripp is praying for some toys, video games, his own phone, a chance to see his father or to get out of going to school that day).

    No one is stopping anyone at Fox from going to church, putting up a Christmas tree in their home, decorating their house, giving to the poor, shopping until they drop, praying, reading the Bible, or anything else.

    Question: Has anyone flipped through the photos in Sarah's little book about saving the heart of Christmas? If so, how many photos show Sarah attending church? The next time that you pass her book display, please do look at the photos and report how many show the Heath and Palin families worshiping at Midnight Mass.

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    1. Anonymous10:00 AM

      Why in the hell does Sarah Palin have to have others to pray w/her? Why not pray by herself? The only one she could find was Diaper and if I remember correctly, the child was quoted as saying something negative about it! Out of the mouths of babes!

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    2. Anonymous1:48 PM

      Because she wants that spotlight on her to show off her "praying" but she's a Hypocrite as one can plainly see according to her own bible:

      Matthew 6:5-6

      “And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by others. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full. 6 But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you.

      PS Bristol who admits that she never goes to church because she never has the time is Sarah v 1.2

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  12. Anonymous9:05 AM

    Sarah Palin's facebook:

    Gregory Plummer > Sarah Palin · Sarah we use to be neighbors. Last Time I saw you was in Fred Myers. Hay Girl get some weight on those bones, your way too skinny NOT HEALTHY. Keep truckin

    Hobert Fairchild > Sarah Palin · sarah you loss to much weigh

    Lu Buller > Sarah Palin6 hours ago · Sarah...you're getting too thin!

    Nanette Gray > Sarah Palin · Sarah...are you okay honey..you have lost a lot of weight. Love you sister in Christ. God's blessings for your family and you. Merry Christmas!

    Kim Reimels Anderson
    Sarah - love you, but noticing this for a while now...are you eating??

    Sherry Locastro
    Merry Christmas Sarah! Get to eating some cookies..you're getting too thin!!

    Melissa Olson
    Love you Sarah but please eat something!

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    1. Anonymous9:32 AM

      ENOUGH WITH THE WEIGHT! "CHANGE IS HEALTHY GET ON BOARD"

      Julie Brewer-Matthews "Seriously people! Lay off the weight comments and her cloths comments....listen to her people, listen to her. Furthermore, Patricia Neisler who even says hip huggers these days. Change is good, change is healthy get on board."
      https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10152072034913588&set=a.10152072033213588.1073741858.24718773587&type=1&comment_id=11225083&offset=0&total_comments=66

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  13. Anonymous9:07 AM

    MSNBC Helped Sarah Palin Muzzle the 1st Amendment By Not Supporting Martin Bashir

    .............Martin Bashir’s mistake as a liberal commentator was two-fold; he articulated a widely-held opinion about a conservative charlatan, and he targeted mainstream media darling and perpetually self-identified victim Sarah Palin. It is true that Mr. Bashir was free to exercise his 1st Amendment right of free speech and freedom of the press, but he was not entitled to express his opinion with impunity; especially for exposing Palin’s moral deficiencies and pointing out her “well-established-reputation as a world-class idiot.”

    Many news outlets, particularly on the left, errantly reported ad nauseum that “Bashir said someone should shit in Palin’s mouth,” but that simply is not true. However, left-leaning bloggers stated it as fact and parroted it mercilessly as if uttered from the mouth of god and those who repeated the lie are as complicit for the firestorm surrounding Bashir’s commentary as Palin’s phony outrage that led to his unwarranted apology and subsequent “resignation.” Regarding Bashir’s “resignation,” MSNBC president Phil Griffin paid “tribute” to Mr. Bashir and stated “I understand his decision. Martin is a good man and respected colleague – we wish him only the best.” Griffin’s tribute is as phony as the idea that there is freedom of speech and the press for liberal commentators, and is an affront to the definition of “good man and respected colleague.” Any decent human being, and American, would have supported a “good man and respected colleague” and defended Bashir’s 1st Amendment right of freedom of speech and told Palin to take her harpy victim act to Fox News, read the 1st Amendment on-air, and tell her ignorant acolytes why a “real American” demanded the “lame-stream media” take punitive action against a man for exercising his 1st Amendment rights.

    http://www.politicususa.com/2013/12/06/msnbc-helped-sarah-palin-muzzle-1st-amendment-supporting-martin-bashir.html

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    1. Anonymous9:54 AM

      I'm 100% behind Bashir and hope to see him again soon.

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  14. Chenagrrl9:09 AM

    I think most of these whiners were asleep in American history and civics classes in which you are challenged to consider how you would feel if the dominant religion was not your own and you pushed for less separation. If he RR wants such a close relationship, believers need to travel to Saudi Arabia or any of the Middle East oil countries to consider how tolerant that makes society. I suspect Sarry wouldn't go unless there was a fat fee involved. That is her religion.

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  15. .

    the name of this beast is FASCISM!

    "When fascism comes to America,
    it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross."
    –Sinclair Lewis



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  16. Anonymous9:36 AM

    Hobby Lobby—and many other companies run by Christian conservatives—isn’t happy with that way of doing things. They want to claim that your compensation package still belongs to them after you’ve earned it and should be tailored to fit their religious beliefs, even if you, the rightful owner of the compensation package, do not share their beliefs. In their lawsuit, they claim that they should be able to determine how you use your insurance plan, and that they should be exempt from the federal government’s mandatory minimums in how they compensate you because they claim to have religious objections.

    https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10152068907728588&set=a.10150723283643588.424640.24718773587&type=1

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  17. Anonymous9:43 AM

    She is a victim. No one else has so many assholes online spreading lies about her. Well, Hillary once did.

    If she acted like a victim, she'd stop working for us and stay home. And she'd actually complain.

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    1. Anonymous10:34 AM

      Shut up Sarah and go eat a sandwich. Please.

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    2. Anonymous12:08 PM

      Nuttin' like a sliced turkey back sammish! Awsome cool incognito! http://us4palin.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/sarah-palin-carving-turkey.jpg

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    3. Anonymous12:29 PM

      Sarah is a victim in your small little mind.
      You need to stop being a Palin ass kisser. I feel embarrassed for you.
      Psstt..Happy Holidays mean Happy HOLY Day. The only war on Christmas, is the one that Sarah made up.

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    4. Anonymous12:47 PM

      Working for us????
      hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

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    5. Anonymous8:06 PM

      @9:43 AM If she stayed at home, the money train would stop, and her FREELOADER Kids would starve to death.
      As for you Troll Fuck Off, there are no LIES about the Palins. Todd Palin is a Pimp, Bristol is Pregnant again, Willow is unemployed, Track is in Rehab, and Sarah Palin is a Grifter.

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  18. Anonymous9:51 AM

    Sarah Palin, the epitome of evil! Looks at that nasty face! And, she's about as 'christian' as I am and I'm not!!! Cannot imagine what it must be like to be around her on a daily basis...I'd run for the hills!

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    1. Anonymous12:31 PM

      Sarah is definitely NOT a Christian. Too much hate in heart to be one. A real Christian is neither haughty or hateful. She is both.

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  19. Anonymous9:53 AM

    Sarry the scarey!!!! Total ugliness is eluded in the above photo of her!

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  20. Anonymous10:05 AM

    I read the transcript of Palin's interview with O'Reilly, and found it to be a conversation between two 6-year old bullies patting themselves on the back. I also think that Palin has only one long speech in her head that she has repeated for five years, adding only a word or two.
    Angry Atheists with an Attorney.....what a laugh riot. So damn stupid. Like, roll your eyes and shake your head, Miz Palin.
    Remember in "G.I.Jane" with Demi Moore, the phrase that stuck in my head was "No Self-Pity". What kind of Mama Grizzly keeps acting like a whining baby as Palin does?
    Sheesh.

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  21. speaking of FASCISM, a hardly ever mentioned Fascist Coup Attempt:

    When The Bankers Plotted To Overthrow FDR

    by NPR


    It was a dangerous time in America: The economy was staggering, unemployment was rampant and a banking crisis threatened the entire monetary system.
    The newly elected president pursued an ambitious legislative program aimed at easing some of the troubles. But he faced vitriolic opposition from both sides of the political spectrum.

    "This is despotism, this is tyranny, this is the annihilation of liberty," one senator wrote to a colleague. "The ordinary American is thus reduced to the status of a robot. The president has not merely signed the death warrant of capitalism, but has ordained the mutilation of the Constitution, unless the friends of liberty, regardless of party, band themselves together to regain their lost freedom."

    Those words could be ripped from today's headlines. In fact, author Sally Denton tells weekends on All Things Considered host Guy Raz, they come from a letter written in 1933 by Republican Sen. Henry D. Hatfield of West Virginia, bemoaning the policies of Franklin Delano Roosevelt.

    Denton is the author of a new book, The Plots Against the President: FDR, a Nation in Crisis, and the Rise of the American Right.

    She says that during the tense months between FDR's election in November and his inauguration in March 1933, democracy hung in the balance.

    "There was a lot at play. It could have gone very different directions," Denton says.

    Though it's hard for us to imagine today, she says fascism, communism, even Naziism seemed like possible solutions to the country's ills.

    "There were suggestions that capitalism was not working, that democracy was not working," she says.

    Some people even called for a dictator to pull America out of the Great Depression.

    When Roosevelt finally took office, he embarked on the now-legendary First Hundred Days, an ambitious legislative program aimed at reopening and stabilizing the country's banks and getting the economy moving again.

    "There was just this sense that he was upsetting the status quo," Denton says.

    Critics on the right worried that Roosevelt was a Communist, a socialist or the tool of a Jewish conspiracy. Critics on the left complained his policies didn't go far enough. Some of Roosevelt's opponents didn't stop at talk. Though it's barely remembered today, there was a genuine conspiracy to overthrow the president.

    The Wall Street Putsch, as it's known today, was a plot by a group of right-wing financiers.

    "They thought that they could convince Roosevelt, because he was of their, the patrician class, they thought that they could convince Roosevelt to relinquish power to basically a fascist, military-type government," Denton says.

    "It was a cockamamie concept," she adds, "and the fact that it even got as far as it did is pretty shocking."

    The conspirators had several million dollars, a stockpile of weapons and had even reached out to a retired Marine general, Smedley Darlington Butler, to lead their forces.

    "Had he been a different kind of person, it might have gone a lot further," Denton says. "But he saw it as treason and he reported it to Congress."

    Denton says that as she was writing the book, she was struck by the parallels between the treatment of Roosevelt and that of Barack Obama. For example, a cottage industry much like the birther movement grew up around proving that the Dutch-descended Roosevelt was actually a secret Jew.

    "It seems to me that going through history here, there are times that we need to have a demon, somebody that's not of us, in order to solidify our fears and our anxieties," Denton says.

    "And I don't know what that is in the impulse of the American body politic, but... this is 75 years later, and some of these same impulses continue."


    http://www.npr.org/2012/02/12/145472726/when-the-bankers-plotted-to-overthrow-fdr

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  22. Anonymous1:47 PM

    That's my favorite photo of Palin. The petulant child is front and center.

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  23. Our Lad1:56 PM

    Mrs. Palin, you need to knock off some of that holiday chubbiness, dear. I hate to put it so bluntly but if you get any fatter, you're going to need your own FUCKIN ZIP CODE! When you sit around the house you Really sit AROUND the house! When you get on the talking scale it says " Hey, one at a time!" Seriously, though, you've gotten fucking gigantic, Jesus Christ, in the name of all that is aesthetic, you need to drop some serious poundage. When somebody fucks you, whatatheydo? Roll you in some dough and look for the wet spot?? Really though folks, it's great to be here in Lost WAGES Nevada....haha. Where you from folks? Let's hear it for the great Lou Zarolla and his great band..........

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