Here was Time Magazine's take on the "debate.":
Blackburn maintained that there is no consensus in the scientific community about global warming, pointing to two vocal dissenters, Richard Lindzen of MIT and Judith Curry of Georgia Tech, who claim that humans are not causing climate change.
“Neither [Bill Nye] nor I are a climate scientist. He is an engineer and actor, I am a member of Congress. And what we have to do is look at the information that we get from climate scientists,” said Blackburn. “There is not agreement around the fact of exactly what is causing this.”
Ninety-seven percent of climate scientists agree that climate-warming trends over the past century are very likely due to human activities, according to NASA. Experts say there is still some uncertainty in absolutely linking isolated extreme weather events like Hurricane Sandy or bad droughts to global warming, but the vast majority of scientists ascribe climate change and the increase in extreme weather to human activity.
Nye responded harshly to the Congresswoman.
“We have overwhelming evidence that the climate is changing. That you cannot tie any one event to that is not the same as doubt about the whole thing,” said Nye. “There is no debate in the scientific community. I encourage the Congresswoman to really look at the facts. You are our leader. We need you to change things, not deny what’s happening.”
THAT, that right there is where the conversation should have ended! But no....
Blackburn argued that responding to climate change will involve balancing the costs of not preventing climate change with the benefits of continuing at high rates of carbon emissions.
“One of the things that we have to remember is cost-benefit analysis has to take place,” said the Congresswoman. “And it is unfortunate that some of the federal agencies are not conducting that cost-benefit analysis.”
Nye said the U.S. could stand to gain economically by investing in new technologies, but warned against the cost of denial.
“For me, as a guy who grew up in the U.S., I want the U.S. to lead the world in this,” he said. “These are huge opportunities, and the more we mess around with this denial, the less we’re going to get done.”
To my mind the idea that there should be a cost-benefit analysis on preventing a change to the environment that is currently causing massive, dangerous weather events, and will undoubtedly kill thousands of human beings and millions of animals if left unchecked, is ridiculous.
Yes, there may be higher costs in the short term, but in the long term there will be....well there will actually BE a long term!
And Nye is right that there are great opportunities to turn America's famous inventive nature to coming up with new innovations that would quickly get us off of fossil fuels and onto renewable resources. and that we could then market to the rest of the world.
We are already doing much in that area, but with more federal money and more public support the sky would be the limit.
The very clean and very blue sky in fact.
However that simply will not happen as long as news programs continue to treat this as if the jury is still out as to its cause, and allow crazy people like Marsha Blackburn to sow seeds of doubt in the minds of the American people.
WHY are they putting forth a woman who has a BS in HOME ECONOMICS as if she is in any way equally qualified to talk about scientific topics with Bill Nye? Cooking involves chemistry, but I'd be willing to bet she couldn't explain even that if her life depended on it!
ReplyDeleteWhat I never understand about the corporations who inflict such harm on the environment and the politicians in their pocket, who do they think is going to be around to buy their product or service? It seems like ruining the climate is the worlds worse business plan but what do I know?
ReplyDeleteTEXASMEL
Even sadder, you know they have kids and probably grandkids who will have to live with the consequences that their own Gramps inflicted on them
DeleteWhat is so incredibly stupid about this cost krap is.....how many millions, billions to recover? Every one of these major events have devastated entire cities, communities, economies....thousands homeless. WTF.....keep rebuilding in the same places over and over in tornado land. Hurricanes on the coast...flooding, fires, drought. What is it gonna take Marsha...queen of the energy committee, an owned & operated subsidiary of the Koch Bros. till even you say enough. How people like you keep getting elected is the greatest act of stupidity in Tennessee. Keeping out the union at VW is another gem of your GOP greed. Money and power are your goals and the health of your citizens are never considered. Boehner did an outstanding job picking the leaders of all the committees. You all suck!!!!
ReplyDeleteMarsha has a BS in home ec. Stain is stupid, Marsha is as stupid as Stain. How do these idiots get elected?
ReplyDeleteActually David Gregory did a better job than anyone would have expected from him by taking a side, the correct side, on the show -- but nothing gets in the way of Marsha Blackburn, well known for her consistent approach to "debate": trying to steamroller any and all opposition. In any case, you're right: this "debate" did not need to take place at all. There IS consensus in the Scientific community, and it's unfortunate that these clowns are allowed any credibility.
ReplyDeleteOnly an engineer and and actor? Cornell University, studied under Carl Sagan, worked at Boeing. She isn't qualified, brain-cell wise or other, to sit on the same show he is. Home Ec major and all.
ReplyDeleteEven I know more about climate change than she does. Most intelligent people do. I would imagine someone educated in the sciences and having spent their life educating others would run circles around her.
“There is not agreement around the fact of exactly what is causing this.”
You have total faith that there is a God who runs the universe, lady. Have faith in science and education.
LIKE
DeleteEspecially when Betty Crocker spouted off about coal fired energy plants being used around the world. Does she know where they originated?
Bill Nye schmoozed her and she didn't even realize it. That's what you call an intelligent debater. All she did was spout talking points. She tried to do a victory lap on Morning Joe, bless her white cotton haines her way panties!!!
A cost benefit analysis on breathing? Marsha, you're a Koch addled idiot.
ReplyDeleteI liked it when she said we need to pass lows based on science. Yeah. This is from the republicans. The republicans with their abortion restrictions because of 'legitamate rape', and vaginal probes. Those republicans. Now they want to claim climate change doesn't exist because of 'science'. They keep using that word, but I do not think they know what it means.
ReplyDeleteActually an extensive cost-benefit analysis, concluding we must act now, has been done by a major federal agency. That being the US military.
ReplyDeleteMore importantly she made her point that even if there were such as thing as human influenced climate change, we'd be wrong to try and do anything about it because it wouldn't be cost effective. So there you have it. Ipsodefuckingfacto... Nothing to see here. Thanks for asking. Please move along....
ReplyDeleteScience isn't something to take a vote on.
ReplyDelete"Amen!" (how's that for irony!)
DeleteBlonde southern Michelle Bachmann.
ReplyDeleteDoes Marsha need a cost/ benefit analysis to get a lobotomy? What good is "cost" when there's no "benefit" to denying Science? Although this segment was pretty good, God, they should have just axed MTP after Tim Russert died. I miss him so much.
ReplyDeleteBlackburn is a mediocre mind and a corporate shill. The folks who put her in office would vote for Palin. The dumbest and most ignorant are a very real threat in our system.
ReplyDeleteCorrection, she has no "mind" to speak of, just ignorant and outmoded platitudes she learned by rote.
DeleteOver the last decades, researchers have equated climate change with the change in the ozone layer which regulates and acts as a protective barrier from dangerous UVB levels, etc. However, when I was in 4th grade science class, and we learned about the earth's core - I thought, what would happen if we continually took coal, oil, ore, etc, out of the earth's core? Wouldn't it change the weight of planet earth, which would affect its gravitational balance and change it's axis, which would create changes in weather?
ReplyDeleteAny science nerds out there, think there is any validity to my 4th grade musings?
This is what I found on google:
The earth is tilted on its axis at an angle of 23.5". This is important, because it accounts for the seasons. Two factors impact the progression of seasons. The most important is the location of land masses on the earth. Nearly all of the continental land mass is located in the Northern Hemisphere. Since land has a higher capacity to absorb the Sun's energy, the earth is much warmer when the Northern Hemisphere is pointing towards the Sun. This happens to be the point at which the earth is farthest from the Sun (the aphelion of its orbit). If the opposite were true, the seasons on the earth would be much more severe (hotter summers and colder winters)."
So, my 4th grade theory makes sense.