As all of you may remember from yesterday the outrage du jour is that the FCC was proposing the idea of having researchers conduct a study on newsrooms which totally flipped out all of the people who don't actually do any news but don't want anybody to know that.
Well the study has now been shelved, but not before Palin took to Facebook to stamp her red, white, and blue shod feet about it.
This from the Lunatic from Lake Lucille's Facebook page:
What? Lamestream calls for empathy, even outrage, for a First Amendment violation that's on par with all the abuse we've brought to your attention as Obama stomps on our Constitution. You've IGNORED us, you've marginalized us, you've left us for "destroyed." But when Obama's boot is on YOUR neck you finally wake the h*ll up and cry foul? Good Lord.
You know what? I think the barely coherent syntax, disorganized bursts of capitalization, and flecks of venomous spittle indicate that Palin herself may have actually written this.
Clearly even the possibility of being exposed as a propaganda arm of the radical right has folks like Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh, and Sarah Palin in a state of panic.
Interestingly enough this FCC study idea has not seemed to bother most news outlets, you know the ones that practice actual journalism, but it has caused such a freakout among the conservative side of the aisle that it almost makes you think they may have something to hide.
Gee, I wonder what that could be.
Thanks to Fox news and many others
ReplyDeleteThe dictator in the White house had to back out of his plan
To end freedom of the press
Yeah, it all fits in with his "plan" to take away all the guns and to turn us into a Muslim nation and abort all the white babies and put everyone on food stamps.
DeleteHaHaHaHaHaHa! You are a fucking MORON!
Oh yeah. We could only pray that he ended Fox's reign of terror, lies and hate. Would that he were that powerful. You, Sarah Palin, are nothing more than a cheap tramp..you and your daughters. Not one married child among them. No college. Nada. Just one failed TV show after the next. Even Honey BooBoo lasted more than 12 weeks. And she never lied about the President or made fun of the First Family. Yes, dear, had the President tried to take away your speech, you and BFF Ted would be behind bars. And silent.
DeleteThanks to Fox News the DickTaster in Wasilla is still married to a Pimp.
Delete"You've IGNORED us"... Wow! Sarah is really pissed that the President never acknowledges her insane rants. I'm not sure what she would be willing to do to get him to notice her. She sounds desperate.
DeleteHey it was sarah herself that said "stop makin things up" to the "lamestream" media.
DeleteSo first she was for making sure all news is fair and balanced, now she's against it?
Well, the Honey Boo Boo family are likeable, unlike the Paymees. There is some talent there also, too, unlike the crew from Alaska.
DeleteOkaaaay. POTUS is president of the FCC too? Why don't you learn how our government works before you start drunk posting?
DeleteMature adults need to educate themselves on the way federal agencies work. The only thing any American president can do is appoint officials to serve in federal agencies. Every federal agency is under the direct control of Congress because Congress creates them--not the POTUS. When you wrote your comment, you thought you were certain that you were disparaging President Obama, but what you were really doing was screaming your ignorance to the world. There are millions of Americans like you who think they know things that they don't. If I were one of them, I'd spend some time researching issues and less time allowing myself to be lead around by the nose by the likes of someone who is as ignorant as Sarah Palin. If you were to say the things you say here at IM to others, they'd laugh in your face at your ignorance and gullibility.
Delete@majii -
DeleteBaldy! Get your hands off that breast pump you're holding. The girls are gonna' break loose any moment!
ReplyDeleteThose are some ugly feet in those ridiculous clown shoes.
DeleteDo I see a "tide mark" on her ankles, as though she soaked her feet but left her legs dirty?? I wonder if she left the sales tag on those too long jeans, so they can be returned after her latest gig?
Deletewhat in hell does any of that mean?
ReplyDelete"Translation:
DeleteLIsten to MEEEEEEE!!! Damn you, LISTEN to MEEEEEE!!!"
" You've IGNORED us, you've marginalized us, you've left us for "destroyed."
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No, honey, no one is required to give you a platform to spout your stupid, traitorous, racist, rage-filled, and just pig-ignorant* crap. You marginalized yourself to facebook of all things. Cry me a river, you screeching harpy.
*I know pigs are smart.
Amen, and a big "fuck of outta here" to you too, Palin! How's THAT for marginalization. Whore twat.
DeleteThis is certifiable drunk posting. Damn, nothing pisses off Bitch more than being IGNORED, and she's gonna BEND YOUR EAR ABOUT IT. I bet she threw up soon after she clicked Post.
DeletePalin claims to have graduated from the University of Idaho with a degree in journalism or communications. (I'd really like that university to provide written proof of her graduation or demand that Sarah stop making that claim.)
ReplyDeleteAs such a graduate, Sarah should be familiar with the Fairness Doctrine--which according to Wikipedia was introduced in 1949 and eliminated in 1987. In my opinion, any journalist worthy of the name would be in favor of the standards set forth in the Doctrine, even if those ideals are no longer enforced by the FCC. What is to be feared by a study if your news reports are fair to both sides of a story? Or, will you be proven to be "unbalanced"...not that that would embarrass Faux!
Idaho knows she never graduated, but they don't care. She's given them fame and a connection to $. (Koch)
DeleteMcCain is the one that pushed her college degree. Numerous folks asked the University to provide proof and it was provided. Remember too that the professors at the University didn't even recall having her in their classes!
DeleteShe's nothing more than a liar and fraud - it's been proven time and time again throughout the years.
Even when Palin ran for gov of Alaska, her supposed college education and degree were never even talked about!
DeleteAlaskans did a crappy job of vetting her when she ran, won and quit that position!
You bring up a good point. In my time in the workforce, I've joined a couple of companies who contacted my university to verify that I did, indeed, graduate, with the degree I completed. I'm just a regular person with a regular job--not someone who tried to be elected as V.P. of the USA! How is it that Random Mid-Size Company was able to verify my education, but nobody's been able to verify the education of the Wasilla Wendigo?
DeleteShe whines that the President needs to produce a birth certificate, which he has, but has the Bitch ever produced her degree, or Trig's birth certificate? She is just a phony $2.00 whore.
Delete"Numerous folks asked the University to provide proof and it was provided."
DeleteFalse - when Sarah was first nominated I called the University and asked when Sarah Heath graduated. The answer was that nobody by that name had graduated. So I said "how about Sarah Palin?" There was a gasp and a murmur - "let me get someone to help you". after a few minutes of waiting, the line went dead,
Neither Sarah Palin nor Sarah Heath ever graduated from that school. It's just ONE MORE LIE to make appear credible.
She managed to get less than 2 years of education out of 5 schools in 6 years. She does not have a degree.....not even a hair or skin certificate. Basically, Willow is more educated than Sarah.
Oh come on we all know she never graduated from a university. She points out this fact every time she ridicules those that have graduated by calling them liberals, elitists etc. That in addition to her below average IQ and poor English skills are proof.
DeleteOnly certified transcripts provided by the university would convince me otherwise.
You misunderstood. Palin said she graduated from the U of I -Da - Hoe.
DeleteWhy are her shoes always too big for her? It looks like she'd walk out of them with every step.
ReplyDeleteAs proven by the clodhopping video clip released yesterday :-)
DeleteTwo Big Shoes!
DeleteThat's my Native American name for Sarah.
Impulse online ordering and too lazy too return?
DeleteJust a guess.
11:22 That's funny and appropriate!
DeleteMy name for her is "TWOBUL", right $carah?
DeleteSnip, clip, sizzle, singe!
Sarah probably buys her tacky wardrobe, including stripper shoes and wigs on-line. Nothing looks right on her because she has no self awareness and she has no idea how ridiculous she looks. She dresses to attract attention, and she doesn't think about buying something flattering. When she wears those red, white and blue shoes, she doesn't care if they fit. It's being noticed that's important.
DeleteCracklin Charlie
DeleteTwo big shoes, One little brain!
Because all their shoes are from Beefy's abstinence baby tour with Candys. I'm sure they grifted as many free shoes as possible. But since none of them fit any of the palin Ho's then y guess is they went out the backdoor without an okay.
DeleteI call her
Delete"She who has crab hands"
She gets her shoes mixed up with Todd's sometimes.
DeleteI agree with the ordering online theory. I have never seen her in appropriate clothing, including shoes since the Republican stylest were let go.
DeleteTexasMel
As distasteful as I find those shoes, there's a store called "The Pleasure Chest" in center city, their clientele are basically strippers whose "uniforms" are basically lingerie and shoes like those.
DeleteConsidering the target market, someone who's ignorant of flag etiquette and has the physique of a stick figure and is a grandmother, has no business adding them to her ensemble in public.
10:15 The shoes are too big because she borrowed them from one of Toad's working girls. Looks like she borrows clothes from them also, too.
DeleteThe news in USA are on par with a large segment of its population's intelligence. Oh, and anon at 9:33 is the undead jilted bride herself. Snort.
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ReplyDeletehttps://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10152236905178588&set=a.10150723283643588.424640.24718773587&type=1&theater
Yeah "Bristol came up with this" Bullshit! God didn't let the wrong team win, he made the wrong team quit!!!! Another Sarah Endorsement meets the curse!
DeleteJune Boo Boo has more class than this smelly Stain.
ReplyDeleteInteresting coming from someone who, while in the employ of FOX, had no problems with Rupert Murdoch's history of violating the privacy and security of others. Hypocritical rant if anything!
ReplyDeleteJust what the US needs, a President with fake tits and a mouse sized brain
ReplyDeleteI think you should apologize to mice everywhere.
DeleteAnd the makers of fake tits.
DeleteThe Fairness Doctrine needs to be reinstated.
ReplyDeleteThe Fairness Doctrine was a policy of the United States Federal Communications Commission (FCC), introduced in 1949, that required the holders of broadcast licenses to both present controversial issues of public importance and to do so in a manner that was, in the Commission's view, honest, equitable and balanced.
Stupid Sarah is too ignorant to understand what unconstitutional means. (the word has more than 2 syllables).
In Red Lion Broadcasting Co. v. FCC, 395 U.S. 367 (1969), the U.S. Supreme Court upheld (by a vote of 8-0) the constitutionality of the Fairness Doctrine in a case of an on-air personal attack, in response to challenges that the doctrine violated the First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution
Ronald Reagan was responsible for the abolition of fairness in broadcasting.
That actor/union traitor single handedly brought down this country when he raped Social Security, started taxing the unemployed, and busted unions ~ all to feed the poor staring wealthy 1%.
The right wing has destroyed the 1949 Fairness Doctrine, which was based on the idea that companies that made profits using free airwaves thus owed the public -- who own the air -- both, or all, sides of controversial issues.
ReplyDeleteThe Doctrine is dead and gone, but I'd like to find out just how serious this all was -- perhaps just a reminder to broadcasters who spew biased news and downright lies that there may be a return to being "fair."
And, yes, this incomprehensible goulash attributed to Sarah must be of her own creation. And she'll be riding this hobby horse forever -- cause she's a journalist (spoiler alert) and knows all about this issue, the Constitution, government thugs standing on or necks (instead of the slightly pornographic image she usually uses of "shoving things down our throats), plus she follows the vibrant Bible (every word taken literally) and she's mature, grown up, happy and private.Plus she's an expert on everything! Sarah's not done with her outrage on this one, that's for sure.
Cable tv channels don't get to us on the free airwaves and don't fall under FCC rules. I wonder if the outrage from Fox News is about their radio broadcasts.
DeleteAnd who ended the Fairness Doctrine? Why, $arah's favorite...Ronny Raygun.
DeleteNotice how she wears the sunglasses all the time because she knows she's showing her middle-age while trying to look and act like a teen. Poor woman with the lazy offspring.....hahahahahahahaha
ReplyDeleteLazy offspring? You've obviously forgotten what a "hard ass worker" Bristol is ;-)
DeleteAlso, all celebrities must wear sunglasses, dahling, in order to avoid the adoring crowds that would otherwise follow their every move.*
Delete*Now toss your wig (but not right off your head!) and do your fancy pageant walk (until you trip on your silly tacky hooker shoes).
She is one delusional twatwaffle.
@11:09
DeleteAss worker, yes. Hard? Yes, she likes it that way, also too. Loves it, actually.
She should reprise the sound of wounded moose she imitated on flute as "talent" on Miss Alaska, which she lost also, too!
DeleteThat stupid old retarded bitch makes everybody sick.
ReplyDeleteIs 'A First Amendment Violation' the name of a rightwing punk band?
ReplyDeleteCan anyone explain why I should feel empathy for them and whether the call for empathy comes from Sarah Palin or the 'Lamestream'?
Mrs. Palin is all for "holding people accountable", that is everyone but her and her "news" network. (although last time she was on Fox was on New Year's Eve, which was 2013, do I smell another "dismissal" from Fox News?)
ReplyDeleteMrs. Palin should have started "holding people accountable" back in the day when Track was involved in vandalizing school buses, Willow broke into an empty house to hold a wild party -- and when Sarah suspected that Bristol was pregnant, Sarah took Bristol's cell phone away for a de days. (That will teach her about birth control and not getting drunk while camping out).
DeleteWhere does she buy her clothes?
ReplyDeleteThat shiny polyester type shirt was popular in the 70's.
I saw one just like that at Kohl's two years' ago. I actually bought one to wear under a blazer...not alone.
DeleteOkay Sally, we'll forgive you as long as you made a better choice in footwear ;-)
DeleteYou know there is nothing wrong with being middle-aged, heck I'm almost 45-years-old, and even though I look and feel like I'm 30, I'm aware that I would look ridiculous acting and dressing like a teen, and not only would I be ashamed but I am sure my teens would be as well.
ReplyDeleteI getcha 45 year old woman. I'm almost 48 and feel 35 but when I hit 45 I did the unthinkable and started the Botox and had a slight forehead and eye lift. My husband was very opposed but in the end he loves it as much as I do! I work out 4 x per week in the gym and ski/run 12 miles per week, but I had these crazy wrinkles that just would not quit and my face was losing ground as compared to my body. I did it, I'm happy about it and I realize I'll have to continue some maintenance, but my mother has and she's almost 70 and looks fantastic.
DeleteThat's great 4:12, but I betcha you don't try to come off as a 20-something. We all want to look our best, but we aren't all out to fool people into thinking we are something we're not. Good for you!
DeleteIt's PRESIDENT Obama to you, you racist bitch!
ReplyDeletePlus, you never were the one who ran for POTUS on the campaign trail w/McCain! You ran for VP and you folks lost badly!
You were a prick tease as to running for POTUS the next go around (thank god, PRESIDENT Obama won again!)! We all know you will not run for a national office in your lifetime. You'd never get past the primary level!
Americans know way too much about you - that everything you touch fails and those you endorse fail - the things you've done 'against the law' in Alaska - your husband (if he is still that?) being a proven pimp - children that are failures and on and on!
Wow!
ReplyDeleteThat is very poorly written. She sounds cracked!
What's up, Sarah? Evertheen awright?
Come on people....quit pulling your punches...there's sooooo much to work with here.
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ReplyDeleteAnd wtf is a twatwaffle?
twatwaffle - bwahahahaha
Deletelooks like a waffle, but smells like a barracuda
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=twatwaffle
DeleteAw, somebody is in a bad mood.
ReplyDeleteDid someone have to explain to her that the stripper parody of the ad for her silly ass "reality" show was *not* intended as a compliment and that it did *not* mean that she is considered hot or sexy?
That must have been quite a chit-chat talk with the producers when she bitched at them for not using the "hot" music for the ad.
Stupid, squawking Palin. Narcissism combined with awe-inspiring stupidity is an impressive sight to see.
Only an anti American would wear shoes with the flag symbol. Every step she is treading on the USA flag. Disgusting.
ReplyDeleteExactly. She is disrespectful of the flag, the Constitution, true Christianity, women, minorities, and just about everything else. I do hope this show tanks even faster than SPA and "Life's a Tripp." Maybe THEN she will be finished??
DeleteIt's more than disrespect, it's TOTAL IGNORANCE
DeleteHow many skin tones does Sarah have? She does not take care of her feet either.
ReplyDeleteNevermind it was done 3 years ago, and three years before that and three years before that. I have seen no reporting that the survey was anything new, just the protests from Rep. Fred Upton (R-Mich), whose committee may or may not have anything to do with the FCC. No comment from the professional orgs of radio and TV, or the heads of news and TV stations. Just people who owe Murdocks and the Kochs something.
ReplyDeleteThose shoes and those bare feet in them! Yuck! I can just imagine what they smell like.
ReplyDeleteBeaglemom
Especially with her reputation for body odor.
DeleteAnd why are they always too big?
DeleteDamn, she's higher than monkey balls! This is every bit as goofy as her "cackling rads" post from a while back. What a joke.
ReplyDelete"You've IGNORED us"
ReplyDelete------------------------------
Uh-oh. Everybody hide your bunnies. SOMEBODY has decided she WON'T be IGNORED.
I must say, she makes Glenn Close's portrayal of a demented, angry, stalkery loon seem nuanced and restrained in comparison to her own screeching demands for attention.
I was just going to say that too. Same personality.
DeleteSarah Palin’s Heavy Metal Grandma Show for animal killers is coming. You should be excited.
ReplyDeleteTBogg @tbogg
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Other shows on Sarah Palin's new network sound like porn shows: Hardcore Pursuit, Kings Of Gettin'Em, Mathews Dominant Bucks, YoungWild
2:33 PM - 22 Feb 2014
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http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/02/22/sarah-palins-heavy-metal-grandma-show-for-animal-killers-is-coming-you-should-be-excited/
comments are excruciating and enlightening,.
Deleteexample:
In other words, $arah & Co. are paying her salary as host, for the crew to shoot and edit, for supplies and travel expenses, to hire a salesperson to go out and interest advertisers into buying airtime around your show, and pay for the airtime so her latest vanity project can air on The Obscurity Channel.
So either SarahPAC is trying to get rid of some of that excess money they conned out of their suckers before the IRS or FEC starts snooping around, or $arah's found herself a new sugardaddy who's into slutty grandmas role playing as incompetent hunters.
SarahPac has no excess money. They have taken in as much as they have spent for the past three quarters and still have a million in the bank. That million in the bank is to pay the lawyers, the consultants and the babysitters when SarahPac finally stops breaking even, which will be soon.
DeleteYoungWild? Is that starring Bristol and a tent? You know, out there in the wilds of Alaska with nothing but some wine coolers and a horny boyfriend? Gee, she forgot her birth control. Young! Wild! Amerika at its finest!
ReplyDeleteEwww, those pointed ta-ta's are ridiculous.
ReplyDeleteShhh.... she thinks she's still in high school.
DeleteIsn't she totally bitchin?!!
looks like she cut the boobs out of her fake pregnancy belly.
ReplyDeleteGrandma supports the Cabbage Patch doll La Leche League!
DeleteNew keyboard, please!
DeleteBut when Obama's boot is on YOUR neck you finally wake the h*ll up and cry foul? Good Lord.
ReplyDeleteUh, isn't that taking the Lord's name in vain, Sarah?
I think there is a huge correlation between Kim Kardashian ass getting bigger and Sarah's tits enlarging.
ReplyDeleteWait, for this to work scientifically there must be an inverse correlation between the Kardashian Whore Ass and the Palin Whore Tits. Science won't allow them both to get bigger concurrently.
DeleteDennis Murphy
ReplyDeleteSoldiers in war kill the enemy, sometimes at there own peril. The way I see it, "we the people" are at war with the enemy. So all you secret service people and military who are close to the enemy.....What are you waiting for ??
3 hours ago · 3
From her FB. Tell me she isn't instigating treason.
5:47 I was thinking the same thing, they're deranged over there, this is the first time I felt like someone need to shut $arah fb page down, the comments reminds me of ted nugent, very dangerous, Secret Service needs to visit the palins she's whipping them up in a frenzy, oh and by the way, don't forget to sign up for sarahpac
DeleteSarah who?
ReplyDeleteThat's right, what possible harm could come from the FCC gathering information on American news outlets. No one in authority would ever use that information for any nefarious purposes. We can trust them. We have every reason to, nothing scandalous happening at the IRS, the State Dept. It's all good. So, let's bash Sarah Palin, she's an easy target. All she did is do more good for Alaska and this country than any one here. So slam here from your office chair while you should be working or your couch at home. Why do I bother. Okay, please rip my post apart. Baaaaah. Baaaaaah.
ReplyDelete5:39 PM Rupert is already in big trouble in England, or is your head in the sand? Sarah Palin has done zip for Alaska, and you know it. Sex Trafficking increased when her husband entered the business, and she did nothing to stop him.
DeleteWhat harm could come from corporations being allowed to portray a false narrative as fact (News), in order to promote their business interests?
DeletePlease use the disastrous George W Bush years as an example. And, to a somewhat lesser extent, the "rise (and fall)" of Sarah Palin on the national stage serves as an example of the hazards of promoting a false narrative.
Great is the fall of the house built on shifting sands.
Anon 5:39PM..you're a total troll. Of course, you knew that, right?
DeleteAt home here.......admiring your tunnel vision.......and dismissal of the facts.Need to vary your diet......it's making you constipated.....
Delete5:39 What did she do for Alaska? I've lived here since 1950 and through her quitter tenure and she did zero other than embarrass the hell out of the residents of the state. She was proven to be absent and inept.
DeleteShe's sounding more and more like Joe Vogler when left to her own devices. Yeah, she's a day late and a penny short. Perhaps Todd has a few business openings? Any photos in the post office of a missing hooker last seen in those shoes?
ReplyDeleteSarah Palin has to have something mentally wrong with her. She has to constantly be seen or heard even though she has little intelligence. The weird thing about Sarah Palin's mentality is that she knows the public knows she has small breasts but she still insists on wearing different size breasts.
ReplyDeleteI just saw that the only sponsor for the now defunct Todd Palin Iditarod race is none other than the Palin family. I didn't see commercial endorsements for him like some others got.
ReplyDeleteLink please
DeleteTBogg on the new show:
ReplyDeletehttp://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/02/22/sarah-palins-heavy-metal-grandma-show-for-animal-killers-is-coming-you-should-be-excited/
Actually, $arah? GOOD LORD is what God says when you dress like a hooker invoking His name.
ReplyDeleteWow looking at that picture of Sarah Palin. What happened? That Alaskan winter sure is hard on a bitch. No wonder she runs off to Arizona.
ReplyDeleteNot making this up! The University of Idaho mascot/student body are known as the University of Idaho Vandals - no kidding. How appropriate.
ReplyDeleteLike when young (but WAY old enough to know better) Sarah Heath pulled the fire alarm in her dorm?
DeleteO/T
ReplyDeleteThe iron dog ended Friday. Where is skank's congratulatory tweet or FB post to the winners? Or the thank you tweet to the paint chip eaters that donated to the fake fundraiser because Tawd was racing with pink skis?
Oh, that's right, never mind........my bad.
11:39 yeah right?
DeleteHey 11:39AM....thanks for giving Baldy the heads up on what to post on her Fakebook page today!
DeleteShe must have read your comment because she had this posted a little while ago!
"Sarah Palin
Congratulations Iron Dog champs Team #16 Minnick/Olstad! It was great seeing racers cross the finish line on the frozen Chena River in Fairbanks yesterday.
Team #11 Palin/Huntington had to leave the hunt early due to a rarely seen crank shaft bearing failure (yes, these racers are mechanics speaking their own language), so they jumped in support mode for others in the extended family of hardcore endurance racers.
Special thanks to all the rural villages, race staff, and volunteers. We greatly appreciate Craig Compeau at Compeau's in Fairbanks, the employee-owned Alaska Mining and Diving, the Tope brothers, Zugg, Al, his sponsors, and all of you who support the race.
What a great event and what a way to travel 2,000 miles across The Last Frontier! Thankfully there's still plenty of winter left for us race fans who live vicariously through these athletes on precision machines to get outdoors and enjoy what God's given. There’s more Alaskan adventure next week featuring tough and beautiful athletes of the four-legged kind: the Iditarod!
- Sarah Palin"
Also one of the nuts posted this god awful picture of the old dusty bat from the race....as usual she's looks high....and DERANGED!
Link to the picture....
https://twitter.com/m2martindale/status/437712909238431744/photo/1/large
HaHa !
DeleteIM really does own that bitch !
2 hours after this was posted, skank or brancy or wallow or some other postage collector, chucky is that you? sent out a tweet to congratulate the winners of iron dog. What a fucking dumb bitch.
LMAO!!! Sarah looks like she drew her eyebrow and decided to make a hairline across the hat. She's so thankful and full of thanks but never thanked Jesus, just a bunch of random names of folks who are also grateful that Todd and his partner's crankshaft bearing busted.
DeleteSo, Sarah, when are you going to outer space? The final frontier???