Friday, August 29, 2014

For those who think that Elizabeth Warren is the liberal candidate that can beat Hillary Clinton, you might want to read this.

During a town hall meeting last week Senator Warren defended her vote to provide $225 millino ins support of Israel in its ongoing conflict with Israel, despite evidence of numerous civilian deaths at the hands of the Israeli army.

This courtesy of the Cape Cod Times: 

"We are disagreeing with Israel using their guns against innocents. It's true in Ferguson, Missouri, and it's true in Israel," said Harwich resident John Bangert, who identified himself as a Warren supporter but said the $225 million could have been spent on infrastructure or helping immigrants fleeing Central America. 

"The vote was wrong, I believe," he added, drawing applause from several in the crowd. 

Warren told Bangert she appreciated his comments, but "we're going to have to agree to disagree on this one." 

"I think the vote was right, and I'll tell you why I think the vote was right," she said. "America has a very special relationship with Israel. Israel lives in a very dangerous part of the world, and a part of the world where there aren't many liberal democracies and democracies that are controlled by the rule of law. And we very much need an ally in that part of the world." 

Warren said Hamas has attacked Israel "indiscriminately," but with the Iron Dome defense system, the missiles have "not had the terrorist effect Hamas hoped for." When pressed by another member of the crowd about civilian casualties from Israel's attacks, Warren said she believes those casualties are the "last thing Israel wants." 

"But when Hamas puts its rocket launchers next to hospitals, next to schools, they're using their civilian population to protect their military assets. And I believe Israel has a right, at that point, to defend itself," Warren said, drawing applause. 

Noreen Thompsen, of Eastham, proposed that Israel should be prevented from building any more settlements as a condition of future U.S. funding, but Warren said, "I think there's a question of whether we should go that far."

I, like a lot of you I believe, have been somewhat surprised by he unconditional support for Israel coming from  just about everybody, including Joan Rivers, Howard Stern, Seth Rogen, and yes Hillary Clinton,

However it was because of that support that some felt that Clinton was a warmonger out of touch with liberal America, and that a more progressive candidate cloud challenge her for the Democratic nomination and beat her.

Of course for many the person they imagined coming at Clinton from the Left was Elizabeth Warren.

However after reading those statements up above it is clear that Warren is essentially in lockstep with Clinton when it comes to the ongoing conflict in the Gaza Strip.

Personally I think that there is quite a bit of blame for the conflict on both sides, however to blindly support Israel without holding them accountable for the numerous avoidable deaths and their continued encroachment into Palestinian lands is unfair and makes us partly culpable for the deaths yet to come.

There are always two sides to every conflict, and to turn a deaf ear to one, means we care little about really working towards peace in the Middle East.

22 comments:

  1. Anonymous12:21 PM

    If there is one thing our hopelessly divided Congress agrees on, it is support for Israel, usually unanimously so under any circumstance. To do otherwise is political suicide. There are as many Israel critics as there are atheists in Congress.

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  2. Anonymous12:33 PM

    I agree, 2:21PM

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    1. Anonymous12:48 PM

      Sorry, I meant 12:21 PM.

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  3. Anonymous12:39 PM

    No candidate that supports the unfettered military and US Government support of Israel will ever get my vote. The entire "support Israel" campaign is nothing more than a bunch of fundagelicals using Israel as a pawn for their end times fantasy. Thanks but no thanks. I support separation of church and state and blind allegiance to Israel is nothing more than religion rearing its ugly head in our governmental policies and economic support of what is nothing more than a bully regime. The US and Britain created Israel in 1947, it's well past time to cut them off until they can behave themselves and most of all, learn how to live without all that sweet foreign money that they depend on, but very rarely adhere to the advice of those countries that subsidize their existence. Any candidate supporting Israel will never, ever get my vote. 2016 will be another third party progressive vote for me.

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    1. Anonymous1:57 PM

      Well said, Anonymous 12:39. I agree with all of your statements regarding Israel, the fundies, the separation of church and state and our sending money to Israel. However, I dislike and fear the GOP so much that I must vote for the Democratic candidate no matter what.

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    2. Hear! Hear!

      But I will vote for her and fight for her to end israel's oppression, torture and murder.

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    3. Spottedfoot9:22 PM

      Bernie Sanders for president. Problem solved.

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  4. Anonymous12:47 PM

    She's just saying that so the Jews in the USA won't pull their dollars out of her campaign and leave her high and dry. Follow the money. No candidate who expresses one ounce of sympathy towards anyone BUT Israel will win an election. Period.

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  5. Anonymous1:38 PM

    Anyone who supports Israel supports genocide, plain and simple.

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  6. Anonymous1:52 PM

    I do not agree with her on this one. But I still prefer her brain in the oval office.

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  7. Anonymous2:26 PM

    Yep, broke my heart. I unsubscribed from her email list. Bernie Sanders is all I have left.

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    1. Ailsa6:36 PM

      "Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.), another favorite of progressives, has also come under fire from his base for his defense of Israel. A recent town hall got testy, with constituents and the senator exchanging harsh words, and Sanders ending on a note of resignation. "This is a very depressing and difficult issue. This has gone on for 60 bloody years," he said. "If you're asking me, do I have a magical solution? I don't. And you know what, I doubt very much that you do.""

      http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/08/28/elizabeth-warren-defends-_n_5733164.html

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    2. I'm thinking along the same lines. Gonna suck to not vote for Pres. for the first time since 1980, but I'll never, ever vote for Hil.

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  8. Anonymous2:43 PM

    Americans need to realize that Israeli military & police forces have killed a Palestinian child every 3 days for the past 13years. That is messed up!
    We really need to stop supporting this client state which controls Washington DC. Soo sad to see the Senator is on the wrong side in support for Israel.

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  9. Anonymous4:24 PM

    Well, ain't nobody perfect and frankly, I think Warren will do a lot more good in Congress. We need people like her in the trenches.
    M from MD

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    1. Anonymous5:57 PM

      I'd like to hear her reasoning before I condemn. Honestly, in all my 60 years I haven't met anybody I agree with on everything. I'd vote for her in a second. If she ran, she would be far and away the best one running, either side.

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  10. Anonymous5:34 PM

    I'm not surprised she "went there", she's taking a leap to the right to help her own career aspirations. This "middle east" war has been going on for how long? And how many innocent Palestinians have been wiped out? That graph says it all. Israel deserves a homeland, as well as Palestine, the enemy isn't Gaza, and Israel wants an all or nothing, one state solution and the USA gets sucked into "brokering peace" every time.

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  11. Anonymous5:50 PM

    I wish people would stop using that misleading map. Israel gave back all the land after the Six-Day War, at the request of the United Nations. It didn't make any difference, they were attacked again six years later, when the hostile countries around them had had enough chance to rebuild their military.

    I'm not defending Israel; the truth is the truth, and that map is not the truth.

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  12. Anonymous9:19 PM

    My objections to HRC have little to do with her support of Israel. I don't like her because she is a conniving, well-connected, insider whose main reason for wanted to be President is that she wants to be President. She's part of the same well-oiled machine that always perpetuates the Wall Street-SEC revolving door, the same machine that sends arms overseas and then sends people to fight against the people we've armed. It's never been about helping the less fortunate, with HRC, it has always been about maneuvering into position for the next political race. I don't get that from Warren.

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  13. Anonymous11:47 AM

    I have no idea why everyone here is so concerned about what Warren said, as she also said... that she WILL NOT be running for President. She likes what she is doing now and has no ambitions for presidential status.

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