Friday, November 07, 2014

Joni Ernst lets slip why Republicans feel they must stop Obamacare.

Courtesy of New York Magazine:

 Here Ernst, speaking candidly to supporters, gets to the root of conservative opposition: 

“We’re looking at Obamacare right now. Once we start with those benefits in January, how are we going to get people off of those? It’s exponentially harder to remove people once they’ve already been on those programs…we rely on government for absolutely everything. And in the years since I was a small girl up until now into my adulthood with children of my own, we have lost a reliance on not only our own families, but so much of what our churches and private organizations used to do. They used to have wonderful food pantries. They used to provide clothing for those that really needed it. But we have gotten away from that. Now we’re at a point where the government will just give away anything.” 

That’s the fundamental belief that motivates most, if not all, the conservative opposition: Health care should be a privilege rather than a right. If you can’t afford health insurance on your own, that is not the government’s problem.

This of course should be not at all surprising to those of us who have been paying attention.

Hell Bill Kristol said much the same thing about the Democratic plan for health care reform, back when Bill Clinton was in office: 

"Its passage in the short run will do nothing to hurt (and everything to help) Democratic electoral prospects in 1996. But the long-term political effects of a successful Clinton health care bill will be even worse--much worse. It will relegitimize middle-class dependence for 'security' on government spending and regulation. It will revive the reputation of the party that spends and regulates, the Democrats, as the generous protector of middle-class interests. And it will at the same time strike a punishing blow against Republican claims to defend the middle class by restraining government." 

And that, for Kristol, meant it had to be stopped at all costs: 

"The first step in that process must be the unqualified political defeat of the Clinton health care proposal. Its rejection by Congress and the public would be a monumental setback for the president; and an incontestable piece of evidence that Democratic welfare-state liberalism remains firmly in retreat."

The Republicans have been fighting against this law since before Barack Obama ever even entered politics, much less became the GOP boogeyman. 

I think we need to keep an eye on this Joni Ernst. She clearly is working without a filter, and I imagine that she is going to make enough gaffes to someday earn her place in the "Political Moron's Hall of Fame" right up there next to her idol Sarah Palin.

63 comments:

  1. In this new fishbowl world, could the beatdown Democrats suffered this fall be a disguised blessing? Only if we stop Keystone XL, and then only maybe.

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    1. Anonymous2:59 PM

      With crude oil prices low, Keystone is a dead subject. No need to pipe crappy sands oil from Canada to Texas when cleaner oil is overflowing on the open market.

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    2. Anonymous3:19 PM

      President Obama is going to need to veto the Keystone Pipeline. I expect him to do so in order to save the environment (water) throughout the Midwest.

      Plus, the pipeline is not financially beneficial to America, but to Canada!

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    3. Anonymous3:57 PM

      Plus, the pipeline is not financially beneficial to America, but to Canada!
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      Exactly, one small FACT, they are not mentioning. Canada gets the financial benefits. The USA gets the pollution, oil spills, cost of clean ups, and any related cancers.

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    4. Maple7:53 PM

      Yes, Canada gets the benefit of selling the oil to the refineries (think Koch Brothers) who then turn around and sell it on the world market. Koch benefits the most.

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    5. Anonymous9:24 AM

      Don't forget who else would benefit from the construction of Keystone - John Boehner.

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    6. Exactly, Anon@9:24, it's the investors who'd benefit, many of whom I suspect (know, in the case of Boehner) are privy to too much insider information about global investment opportunities than we 99%ers.

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  2. Anonymous2:47 PM

    Aside from the ignorance and callousness of her comments, one thing sticks out: her official biography says she has one child. Here she says she has "children." What's up with that?

    She has been using government health care, through her own military service, or her husband's, or through the Iowa State Senate, for most of her life. The likelihood is that she pays little for it, and tiny co-pays. She has an enormous government-guaranteed pension. She'll now have healthcare paid for by the U.S. Senate. She is ignorant of what it's really like to be unable to care for herself or her family.

    If she were a cleaning woman at a motel in Des Moines, who hadn't been born into a family that could give her an education and a head start, she'd be unable to pay for healthcare for herself or her children. And, if anyone got sick, then, too bad for them, right? Which hospital will take them in? Which doctors will heal them? Which employers will give them paid leave to get better? Which pharmacy will hand over medications? And which funeral home will offer a free funeral for the cleaning woman and her family when they die of untreated or preventable illness?
    In our country, it is a sin to pretend that we cannot provide basic healthcare -- a right, not a privilege -- to all our citizens.

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    1. Anonymous3:17 PM

      We are like a third world country in so many ways. Our health care is worse and more expensive than in many other nations throughout the world.

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    2. Anonymous4:21 PM

      Well said Anonymous 2:47. What an entitled fool Ernst is. She knows nothing of what it's like to struggle in the real world.

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    3. Speaking of "third world" I've been on a once-in-a-lifetime cruise to the South Sea islands, Australia, and New Zealand for the last month-- and most of the non-American folks were clear in their opinion of America's politics and the fiscally austere overbearing religiosity infecting our global reputation, despite everything President Obama has done to make America appear responsible and sane in the world community.

      I had one long very interesting conversation with an 80 year old Norwegian gentleman, "Olaf", who scoffed at the retrogressive social policies in the USA, and many casual conversations with Aussies and Kiwis who were quite welcoming when we jokingly asked, "Can we come live with you?"

      Honestly, living in AU or NZ is looking really good about now, especially if the Repubs start hacking away at Social Security and Medicare, not to mention Obamacare.

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  3. Anonymous2:51 PM

    Yes, she is of the mind that the church is everyone’s savior while entirely missing the point that a large percentage of people do not want help from a church or their families. I guess if you are poor in the Joni Ernst world this is where you start for help. It was explained to me once by an evangelical. First there is God, then the church and then your family. If you don’t have this in order all fails in the evangelical point of view.

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  4. "Ernst clearly is working without a filter, and... she is going to make enough gaffes to... earn her place in the "Political Moron's Hall of Fame" right up there next to her idol Sarah Palin."
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    Well now, I think she should be compared to a peer. After all, Palin has never, and could never, be elected to national office.

    Let's just plop Ernst in the Louie Gohmert Hall of Fame. She's bound to cast aspersions on someone's asparagus sooner or later.

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    1. Anonymous9:27 PM

      Yes she will.

      dowl

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  5. There is no conceivable way for people on their own to set aside the money to cover even a relatively inexpensive medical situation.

    It is especially repellent that the republicans champion this while also fighting tooth and nail *against* a minimum wage and *for* corporate welfare for the healthcare corporations.

    Health care is not a consumer item. Consumer spending is on things you can control. Medical care is likely to be provided when you are not in a condition to "comparison shop."

    As for consumer choices, in our neck of the woods the hospitals have all merged/been bought out into only two systems. Our local non-profit hospital just merged with two others into a for-profit entity.

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  6. Anonymous3:05 PM

    OT but screw it. I'm pissed at the 6th Circuit Court of Appeals for their anti same sex marriage decision two days ago. I was hoping for this god guy to come back to earth and destroy it because 50 states were able to have marriage equality. Now these two dumb fucking bible believing bastards screwed it up. No gd second coming, no wrath and Sarah Palin with continue to breathe a little longer.

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  7. Anonymous3:05 PM

    Well, somebody has to replace ol' Shelly "Crazy Eyes" Bachman.

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  8. Anonymous3:16 PM

    Too bad, so sad for Joni that her colleagues in Congress have been so slow to improve conditions at Walter Reed. In the next few months, when the butterfly net is cast over her lunatic ass, hope she enjoys her government sponsored health care at Walter Reed. Ironic that she ran as a Veteran, and will soon learn what Republicans mean to health care for Veterans.

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  9. Anonymous3:19 PM

    My mother told me to never make fun of someone's laugh but that gutteral sound she makes is one strange vocal tick. I had never heard it until election night and it was instantly annoying.
    It's almost as if she is a bit slow on the draw if you get my drift.Time will tell I guess. I can see Colbert having some fun with Joni Baloney.

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    1. Caroll Thompson3:43 PM

      Joni Baloney. I love it. I think i will use it anytime I say her name. Joni Baloney. It has a great ring to it.

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    2. Anonymous4:06 PM

      You heard it here first. Her laugh reminds me of George McFly. Hey Sarah, looks like there's a new sheriff in town and she's MUCH younger than you, Much prettier. and NOT MUCH smarter than you but is she getting YOUR headlines! What you gonna' do about it Sarah? How about Balls to the wall and show this spring chicken who is boss. C'mon Sarah whats wrong, are you Chicken?

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    3. Anonymous4:14 PM

      I have the same name (spelled differently), Caroll, and my grandma always called me that because of my humor. Thanks for the wonderful memory!

      As for Ernst, I absolutely cringe.

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  10. Caroll Thompson3:21 PM

    I guess Joni only pretends to be a Christian to get elected. What part of helping the sick does she not understand.

    Joni doesn't understand that you cannot get chemo therapy for your cancer at a church. You cannot get medicine for diabetes at a church. You cannot get cardiac care at the church. You cannot get help for mental illness at a church.

    This woman is like most Republicans. I have mine and to hell with you seems to be their motto.

    However, the good news is that Obama will never sign a bill that destroys the Affordable Care Act. And unless there are 67 Senators who are willing to over ride that veto, the Affordable Care Act will remain the law of the land.

    But I would agree that she is very much like Sarah Palin in that she seems to love the limelight. No statement is too outrageous for this one if it gets her name in the news.

    No doubt she would like to eliminate food stamps, public education, clean water and air, social security and medicare, etc.... She certainly is a Koch brothers shill; nothing more and nothing less.

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    1. Anonymous3:26 PM

      The new Sarah Palin, indeed. Dare we hope some maroon taps her to be their running mate in '16, so she can sink the ticket as effectively as Palin did in '08?

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    2. Anita Winecooler4:03 PM

      Add Issa to the mix. This is lower than Sarah licking her own toe jam and Joni blaming the poor for their plight.

      http://americablog.com/2014/11/gop-rep-issa-tweets-photos-lee-harvey-oswald-himmler-veterans-day.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Fee

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    3. Anonymous6:21 PM

      "You cannot get help for mental illness at a church."

      Caroll, one of the main reasons I am not an evangelical anymore is because I began dealing with bipolar disorder when I was in high school in evangelicalland. My church did not acknowledge that mental illness existed, so I was not only denied any sort of psychological help, but I was blamed, shamed, and told I was sinning. When I had a breakdown at school and couldn't stop crying, I was threatened with a spanking for my lack of self control. Even today I have an immediate family member who thinks I am demon possessed rather than suffering form a chemical imbalance.

      OTOH, I have an evangelical friend who works in faith-based community nursing. She helps people find whatever resources they need, whether through state/federal initiatives, churches, or other nonprofits. She says there is no way even the best churches--caring, involved, financially sound churches not out to proselytize--can begin to meet the needs. I wish Joni Ernst would sit down with a few people who are actually in the trenches, so to speak, and can explain why churches canNOT do everything.

      Also, too, if the churches had been keeping everyone fed and clothed and healthy in the first place, there would have been no need for the government to step in and help out.

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  11. Anonymous3:26 PM

    Yeah, it's going to be hard to tell middle-class voters whose 24-year-old children, just starting out in the world and are now still on their parents' health plan, that the kids will have to sink or swim on their own.

    It'll be tough to tell the middle-class voters who have had cancer or a recurring illness that they won't be able to get health insurance anymore because they don't deserve it.
    God made them sick. Too bad for them.

    It'll be hard to tell middle-class voters who, through no fault of their own, are between jobs but, through the ACA, are able to continue to provide healthcare to their families even though their employer healthcare is no longer -- that their families had now better not get sick or in an accident.

    Joni and her pals are painting a picture of welfare lay-abouts who live off government hand-outs. The same kind of lie that Ronald Reagan kept repeating with his fantasy of a "welfare queen." Instead, all of us know someone who will or has benefited from the ACA. Young, old, poor, middle-class, married, single, sick or healthy.
    The GOP will hope that they can make it all about "them," and the Democrats will have to keep repeating that it's all about "us."

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    1. Anonymous4:13 PM

      Why did any of those "middle class voters" vote for any Republican for any office in the country? And why didn't their twenty-something year-old kids vote?
      Beaglemom

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    2. Anonymous7:29 PM

      The financial guidelines for the ACA are vast and run the gamut from very low income to those who earn decent wages. It is a program for Americans of all walks of life but cretins like Ernst would have everyone believe that anyone who enrolls is a welfare queen. It's a mandated national healthcare system and it is lacking in some attributes but it is for all of us, well only all of us if you state accepted additional Medicaid funding, but the intention was for all Americans to be insured, not for all Americans to be on Welfare.

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    3. Anonymous9:33 AM

      That's why the GOP was so desperate to stop the ACA BEFORE it went into effect. They knew that, once people started receiving benefits, it would be impossible to repeal it without suffering political backlash for it.

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  12. Have you noticed the sound of right-wing heads exploding across the land? The president has announced his nominee for Attorney General:

    http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2014/11/07/lynch-candidate-ag/18465249/

    Oh my, she presents something of a quandary for the new Senate majority! Let'em try their "Lynch" mob nonsense on her, hmmm? (Oof. Sorry, I just couldn't help myself.)

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    1. F U McCain4:05 PM

      Just wanted to say I've missed you, nasty. ;)

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    2. Anita Winecooler4:05 PM

      He's got some cajones, huh Sarah?

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    3. Time to retire the “He's playing chess while they're playing checkers" analogy. It's way beyond that.

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    4. He's painting the Sistine Chapel while they're smearing the walls with feces.

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  13. Anonymous3:37 PM

    Two days in and fucking up already. Colour me unsurprised.

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  14. Leland3:40 PM

    "...And unless there are 67 Senators who are willing to over ride that veto, the Affordable Care Act will remain the law of the land."

    You forget, Caroll, that it takes a 2/3's majority of BOTH houses to override a Presidential veto. Historically, Congress has overridden fewer than ten per cent of Presidential vetoes.

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  15. Anonymous3:40 PM

    How many Americans will these Godless bastards kill to enrich their corporate masters?

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    1. Anonymous4:13 PM

      As many as it takes.

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    2. Anonymous5:58 AM

      "How many Americans will these Godless bastards kill to enrich their corporate masters?"

      All of 'em, Katie!

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  16. Anonymous3:41 PM

    The pig castrating bitch is a Koch cocksucker. The Koch misers, worth 42 billion, give $50.00 Christmas bonuses. Of course it chaps their ass to think of all those poors free eating and doctor's visits.

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-11-07/david-koch-gave-50-holiday-tips-at-740-park-avenue-tv.html

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  17. They won't be in office until mid January, after the time the new benefits take place, and then it will take time for the bill to be passed. And then we all know Obama will veto the bill. I think the people will have a chance to experience the new benefits before the Republicans even have a chance to benefit from the new benefits.

    Sorry, it's a little too late Joni.

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  18. Anita Winecooler3:55 PM

    Once you give them something, it's almost impossible to take it back. That's the mantra of how many christian churches? What happened to giving and you'll receive tenfold, what ever happened to compassion. Sorry, Joni, I've worked in some wonderful food banks, you know, the kind where you don't have to sing for your supper, accept someone as your personal savior, nor get looked down upon as they're used for photo ops.
    Chuches had WONDERFUL Food Banks? For the Priests and Cardinals maybe, they ate high on the hog, the poor got testicles, offal and fat trimmings. What DOES one wear to a food bank, you pompous ignoramus.
    If the Church was so "Good" at it, why did they stop? And those in line paid a higher percentage of their life's income on taxes, what did the Church spend theirs on? Showtunes and luxury cars? Come on woman, Squeal!

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  19. Anonymous3:59 PM

    Did you watch this woman's acceptance speech? She reminded me of watching the old "Hee Haw" TV Show!

    That laugh of hers has got to go that she used at the end of every sentence. I'm very surprised she has gotten as far as has with public speaking such as that! She was embarrassing to us and to herself!

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    1. Anonymous4:21 PM

      How come one laugh was Howard Dean's undoing, while Joni Ernst looks and sounds like an ass and will sit in the U.S. Senate for six years?

      We need Howard Dean and his fighting spirit again.

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    2. Anonymous4:30 PM

      Yes, I heard her speech and was surprised at how awful she sounds. No self awareness...like someone else we know.

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    3. Anonymous4:47 PM

      I so agree with you 4:21 PM! There has been zero in the media about her speech and weird laugh throughout.

      But, the media constantly blasted Howard Dean unmercifully!

      And, they keep saying we have a liberal leaning media. My ass!

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    4. “Al Gore thinks he invented the Internet."

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  20. Anonymous4:04 PM

    Joni Ernst what is your opinion of an elected Republican governor who applied for the job under false pretenses of caring about our state and then quit after 18 month and is now a multimillionaire that doesn't work?

    Should Republican governor Sarah Palin at least finish her term then run off to be a multimillionaire?

    We think so.

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  21. Anonymous4:08 PM

    "we have lost a reliance on not only our own families, but so much of what our churches and private organizations used to do. They used to have wonderful food pantries. They used to provide clothing for those that really needed it."
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    Yeah Joni, maybe it is because churches are into politics and taking away women rights, they don't have time for those "wonderful food pantries." and what does "feeding" and clothing" the "poor" ( now called the middle class, thanks George W.) have to do with healthcare?

    This woman is dangerous, she sounds rational, but when you "digest" what she says, she is ignorant.
    Go right ahead with your agenda Joni, take away healthcare and the Republicans will never be elected to another office again.
    By the way, we could also save a lot of government handouts by taking away healthcare for Congress.

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  22. Anonymous4:13 PM

    God, is Joni Ernst a clone of Sarah Palin? What nonsense! Joni, there are still lots of food pantries out there because a year or so ago your colleagues wanted to drastically cut food stamps. How can people get medical care at a food pantry? There's a world of difference between a nation's responsibility to provide adequate health care for its inhabitants and feeling good about contributing to a local food pantry or the Salvation Army. She really is Sarah Palin stupid.
    Beaglemom

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  23. Anonymous4:28 PM

    I am rather ticked off right now. On several sites I have read Arianna Huffington has been punishing some of her reporters for writing true - but unflattering - stories about her friends.
    Really? Even though the facts may be true - if they shed an unfavorable light on her friends she suspends these reporters?
    I have been a follower of HP for several years - and an active contributor. I removed HP from my fav's list and will never go there again.

    Pat Padrnos

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    1. F U McCain7:07 AM

      Oh please. Hadn't you noticed the Never ending Kardashian posts?

      All Huffpo ever was was a collection of other people's work from all over. I read she dIdn't even pay many. She sucks.

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  24. LoveAndKnishesFromBrooklyn5:15 PM

    And yet, if Toothy had her druthers, women would be REQUIRED by law to give birth to children they might not be able to afford to feed and clothe, much less purchase insurance for. And it seems that most of the braindead sheeple support that view. Loads of sick kids running around---oh that's right, the Church can take care of the poor underprivileged little beggars, eh, Jodi?

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  25. A J Billings5:30 PM

    OK Joni, so the "church" which many of us don't belong to, is supposed to help us with food and clothing.

    What about health care? What if I get cancer, diabetes, or have heart issues, or even just have an accident of some kind, and I need $50,000 worth of operation and therapy?


    What food pantry is going to pay for that? Will the Salvation Army clothing store help me with chemotherapy?

    What if I'm non religious, or Buddhis, Hindu, Jewish, athiest, or agnostic, and I don't have an Iowa style mega church to beg from?

    Oh, and Joni, are you going to TURN DOWN your Rolls Royce style health care plan that all US Senators get?

    If you are elected a few more times, are you going to take the socialist federal pension plan?

    Joni, are you going to use the taxpayer subsidized gym, dining room, postal privileges, and housing stipend?

    HOOOHAHH!

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  26. Anonymous5:49 PM

    Toothy, thats great. She does have a formidable set of choppers, doesn't she? I wonder if she had to file those chicklets down for testicle castration month. Just sayin'. Sarah you're not nearly as tough as this YOUNG upstart. You should pull out all the stops before you are completely forgotten. Did I mention how cute young Joni is?

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  27. Chenagrrl8:06 PM

    the opening sentence makes me wonder if she understands that she doesn't take office immediately.

    We’re looking at Obamacare right now. Once we start with those benefits in January...

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  28. Anonymous9:01 PM

    So, if there's an outbreak of Ebola in Iowa, and some of these Iowans who contracted it were not "privileged" enough to have private healthcare, , would Joni still be OK with that?

    Does Joni think that churches and shelters will take up sick patients of Ebola and house them and care for them? What is it about these people that reliance on government is a bad thing when it comes down to keeping a healthy public. What if some couldn't afford immunizations? What if no one could afford flu shots, or couldn't get treatments which could put others in danger? Healthy is good, not only for one individual, but for all the community.

    God forbid that a real epidemic happens. Affordable health care could be the thing that keeps epidemics at bay. Imagine the Republicans scurrying in panic if their plan to repeal ACA succeeded, and foreign diseases started to spread like wildfire in their communities? Guess who they'd be blaming then? Yes, President Obama.


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  29. Anonymous3:32 AM

    This morning I blame the New York Times and every other mainstream media outlet for the 2014 election returns. That this Joni Ernst statement, the statement by the loony in Louisiana and every other seriously insane ranting of the GOP members of the next Congress crowing over how they conned the voters of their states were not smeared across the front pages of newspapers or streamed across the television screens or made the subjects of editorials shows exactly how little anyone in the media cares about this country and how they failed to vet these candidates during the very long campaign. Where is your shame, media? Where is your shame?
    Beaglemom

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      Their shame disappears as soon as they take those nice big fat checks from their right wing corporate masters to the bank.

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    2. Anonymous7:47 PM

      The media has become entertainment instead of the facts. They only care about ratings and personally I don't believe any of them care about investigating a story.

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  30. Anonymous9:55 AM

    The only positive thing about this new crop of right wing nutjobs, as compared to the old crop, is that they seem to be dumber and more inclined to speak the truth. They freely admit that voter ID laws are designed to keep Democrats from the polls, and that Obamacare is working and people who are receiving benefits won't want to give them up.

    They don't have enough sense to listen to their handlers and keep their mouths shut about them evil homos recruiting poor, innocent children into their sinful lifestyle, forcing them naughty wimmens who dare to have sex (even with their husbands!) to have babies they don't want and cannot care for, changing science and history school curriculums to follow biblical and right wing teachings, and getting rid of minimum wage, sick time, weekends and overtime so that those lazy workers can work themselves into their graves trying to survive.

    They are much more inclined to proudly fly their Crazy flag for all the country to see. At least that way we can see them coming more easily.

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