Courtesy of Vice:
For the first time, the public can now read the hastily drafted CIA document that led Congress to pass a joint resolution authorizing the use of military force in Iraq, a costly war launched March 20, 2003 that was predicated on "disarming" Iraq of its (non-existent) WMD, overthrowing Saddam Hussein, and "freeing" the Iraqi people.
A report issued by the government funded think-tank RAND Corporation last December titled "Blinders, Blunders and Wars" said the NIE "contained several qualifiers that were dropped…. As the draft NIE went up the intelligence chain of command, the conclusions were treated increasingly definitively."
An example of that: According to the newly declassified NIE, the intelligence community concluded that Iraq "probably has renovated a [vaccine] production plant" to manufacture biological weapons "but we are unable to determine whether [biological weapons] agent research has resumed." The NIE also said Hussein did not have "sufficient material" to manufacture any nuclear weapons. But in an October 7, 2002 speech in Cincinnati, Ohio, then-President George W. Bush simply said Iraq, "possesses and produces chemical and biological weapons" and "the evidence indicates that Iraq is reconstituting its nuclear weapons program."
One of the most significant parts of the NIE revealed for the first time is the section pertaining to Iraq's alleged links to al Qaeda. In September 2002, then-Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld claimed the US had "bulletproof" evidence linking Hussein's regime to the terrorist group.
"We do have solid evidence of the presence in Iraq of al Qaeda members, including some that have been in Baghdad," Rumsfeld said. "We have what we consider to be very reliable reporting of senior-level contacts going back a decade, and of possible chemical- and biological-agent training."
But the NIE said its information about a working relationship between al Qaeda and Iraq was based on "sources of varying reliability" — like Iraqi defectors — and it was not at all clear that Hussein had even been aware of a relationship, if in fact there were one.
"As with much of the information on the overall relationship, details on training and support are second-hand," the NIE said. "The presence of al-Qa'ida militants in Iraq poses many questions. We do not know to what extent Baghdad may be actively complicit in this use of its territory for safehaven and transit."
That is just a portion of a much longer article, virtually all of it refuting what we were all told during the build up to the invasion, and Vice also has the actual report embedded for those who want to read it for themselves.
Here is what really sticks in my craw.
This report was supposedly readily available to both the Senate and Congress to help its members make perhaps the MOST important decision of their careers, and yet still they voted to support Bush and his unnecessary war.
To my mind that makes those who voted in favor partly culpable for the damage that resulted from the decision to move forward even in the face of such unconvincing evidence.
Which also means, and yes I know I'm on thin ice with some of you, Hillary Clinton.
More from the article:
According to the latest figures compiled by Iraq Body Count, to date more than 200,000 Iraqi civilians have been killed, although other sources say the casualties are twice as high. More than 4,000 US soldiers have been killed in Iraq, and tens of thousands more have been injured and maimed. The war has cost US taxpayers more than $800 billion.
And as President Obama recently pointed out the fallout from the war is far from over since it was instrumental in the creation of ISIS.
Of course it will not make any difference in the general, especially since it is likely she will run against the brother of the man who started the war in the first place, but it is just one more reason that voting for Hillary in 2016 will feel more like an obligation rather than a privilege.
My question is, did Clinton and others vote to give President Bush the authority to use military force in Iraq, with the understanding that the Bush administration would seek a diplomatic solution to avoid war and, failing that, that the administration would gain broad international support for U.S. military action? I believe many supported Bush in order to present a united front, but believed that war would be a last resort. That does not make them as culpable as the Bush Administration in my mind.
ReplyDeleteGood question. I am going to explore it.
DeleteI heard Bill O'Reilly say, in 2003, that 'If the U.S. goes into Iraq, and doesn't find any WMDs, I'll never trust the Bush administration again' well, in light of the recent allegations against Bill-O, I think it's worth mentioning. The war in Iraq was a huge mistake, and the Bushites will never beheld accountable. If Bill-O had any integrity, he would have kept his word long ago.
ReplyDeleteBillo?
DeleteMediaite:
"Fox News’ Bernie Goldberg told Bill O’Reilly tonight he needs to understand that the liberal media may be biased, but so is Fox News, with many of its regular faces turning a blind eye to conservative problems."
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/foxs-goldberg-to-oreilly-lets-face-it-fox-plays-down-conservative-screw-ups/
"Goldberg was a bit incredulous when O’Reilly denied that Fox is not a conservative network, remarking, “Well, maybe you don’t watch.” He insisted that “conservatives on this channel will only blame Barack Obama for what’s happening in the Middle East” and will leave out what George W. Bush did in that region.
O’Reilly conceded, “No operation is perfect.”"
HEY BILLO you fecking ass clown- When it comes to the Middle East it's MISSION ACCOMPLISHED amirite? Otherwise we would have heard about it? On F*cked Newz? Fair and balanced? Amiright?
Right now at c4p, the New Zealanders are attempting to work up the "constitutional conservatives" with a member known as 'ases', who is a special ops soldier. The storyline is that he just returned from another stealth mission, but this time he accompanied the body of his best friend. He posted this along with a good deal of personal information, which I wouldn't think a special ops man would do? After a dangerous deployment that resulted in a fellow soldiers death, who would go to the pond to share information? Today's posts might be the motive:
ReplyDeleteTheresaAK
17 minutes ago
I'm a bit angry or at "highly annoyed" that some would continue to talk Defeat.
Why am I annoyed? Because right here at C4P, we are grieving with our own for the loss of his best friend who died serving. The pain in this incredible man's heart should spur us on, not spew Defeat!
While they are on the battlefield in dangerous places in the ME, the least we can do is make sure they have a Constitutional Republic to come home to.
Ron Brown TheresaAK
10 minutes ago
Light a fire! Let it spread like a wildfire for Ases, and his beloved friend, that have given so much! Absolutely the LEAST we can do is FIGHT the "CAN DO" fight!
PALIN2016 for a restoration of the United States of America
virginiagentleman1 Ron Brown
5 minutes ago
AMEN! Brother Ron!
virginiagentleman1 TheresaAK
14 minutes ago
DAMN RIGHT MILADY!
It's called grief, 9:35 AM, and I see nothing wrong with his sharing. They are a close knit bunch, and there was no "good deal of personal information," just people coming together to support one of their own.
DeleteWar is HELL.
War is indeed hell. I sincerely doubt this story that is being played out at the pond.
DeleteI have personal experience with this topic.
So, does any of this surprise anyone? The whole thing was a cluster****, as was just about everything little mister painter boy bush did while in office.
ReplyDeleteThe entire administration should face war criminal trial in the world court. And be stripped of all the proceeds from their crimes.
And boy do I agree with your cluster***** analogy!
DeleteIt was/is all about the Benjamins.
Wonder if the Cheneys, the Bushes, and the rest of the marauders meaningfully enjoy the blood-stained money. Are their lives fulfilled or are they 24/7 looking over their shoulders as war criminals?
I often wonder if they ever see the young men and women who are missing limbs, scarred, or the families who are mourning their loss and feel even a tinge of shame or guilt? Was it worth more wealth? It sickens me.
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Ain't it the truth! Hey, Jefferson even called for a REVOLUTION every 20 years or so just to keep government honest and in it's place. He also said that we should 'bind government down with the chains of the Constitution'. He was right you know and we should have taken his advice to heart. No wonder Obama and other past presidents and Congresses have tried to destroy the Constitution. It is all stands stands between us and servitude to an all powerful government.
If the Constitution is lost, then so my friend are we.
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Palinprodigy virginiagentleman1
an hour ago
The Constitution isn't all that stands between us and servitude, we can't forget our GUNS!
Say's the guy who needs oxygen treatments on a regular basis, paid for by the American taxpayer. Fuck you VG1.
DeleteI do wish that we had a choice for the Dem nominee for president in 2016 rather than only Hillary. She supports Monsanto and GMO so as far as I see it, she is in the pockets of the 1%ers even while she is a 1%3er herself. Now, knowing that she fully supported our incursion/war by voting for it during Bush's term, I support her even less!
ReplyDeleteReeks of Koch brothers to me. But, I can't think of a major player who doesn't! Our country was sold in a silent auction.
DeleteWe fucked ourselves when we failed to string up Nixon and his crew. They should have been hung for their crimes. Instead we let his little thugs run free to rape again.
DeleteEventhough GW stuffed several socks down the leg of that flight suit he still looked like a little winnie.
ReplyDeleteI agree with you Gryphen on calling out Hillary. If she shows the courage to speak about this, it will put the assholes on notice that they also will be asked to speak on it. Forget the emails and the Benghazi bullshit. This is real.
ReplyDeleteOT/ Sarah has a new video up on her "channel" about cheating our vets. Guess she will now be championing veterans, what with her combat vet son and MOH recipient future son-in-law. Didn't see that coming...
ReplyDeleteYou didn't?? /sarc
DeleteI suspect Mighty Oaks and Puppy Jake will get some new promotion.
DeleteSarah hooked her special needs daughter up with an equally dim-bulb MOH winner. Sarah made this happen for Sarah, and no one else. She will milk this shit until the relationship between B and MOH finally fails. Desperate times call for desperate measures, and Bristol needed a full time minder and Sarah was tired of babysitting her. It's enough that Sarah took Bristol's first born and had to find care for him, but she drew the line at babysitting Bristol forever.
DeleteYes, Yes and Yes. Read a book written by Scott Ritter, at the time a UN arms inspector working in Iraq after the first Gulf war. He claimed all Sadams WMD were accounted for and quarantined. (supplied by US and logistics provided during the war with Iran) The enemy of your enemy is your friend. Most telling aspect were the meetings Cheney was having with the big oil companies.....minutes of those remain confidential. Waddayathink those were about? Iraq at the time was suspected of having the largest known oil reserves in the world. But how do you do it? Need an excuse? Not a conspiracy advocate but 911 happened at just the right time. Got the American people on-board....It all stinks... really makes the unbelievable believable
ReplyDeleteAnd yet, so many focused on a f'ing birth certificate!
DeleteWell we know 4 sure dICK cHEENY isn't a mooslim! They're human and dICK cHEENY isn't!
DeleteOT to this particular post, but the DailyMail has posted the "what could possibly go wrong" (or, that's the way we roll) photo from Bristol's new dream boat.
ReplyDeleteActually, maybe they are really well-matched....except that a Palin would never risk their neck for ANYBODY.
Just to keep things in perspective, the loss of 200,000 Iraqi lives would be the equivalent of 1.9 million for the US.
ReplyDeleteWhat a disgusting waste of life for a war of our own choosing.
And we grew up hearing about the evil Russian commies, trying to invade everyone! Who is the bad guy now?
DeleteWell pointed out by this site's author about Hillary. Congress voted as per the pulse of the nation sadly though and the nation wanted muslim blood. Democracy faired, morality failed. Middle East fucked once again. Boundaries redrawn by ISIS and Syria now. Obama was the sole dissenter then against the war then.
ReplyDeleteAnd, without him, who knows how many battles we wars we would be mired in now? I am so appreciative of our President!
DeleteThe sole dissenter? WTF are you talking about? Obama wasn't even a Senator then, he didn't have avote on the issue.
DeleteYou want to know who the biggest voice in opposition was? Arguably Ron Paul.
GOP (who actually had a vote, as opposed to Obama) voted against the Iraq Resolution:
Rep. John Duncan (Tenn.)
Rep. John Hostettler (Ind.)
Lincoln Chafee
Rep. Ron Paul (Texas)
Rep. Connie Morella (Md.)
Rep. Amory Houghton (N.Y.)
Rep. James Leach (Iowa)
You guys are living in lala land.
You are wrong on the substance of what you are saying, even though your technicality may be correct. Obama gave a political speech clearly explaining why he was against it, and that speech has a video. Here is a transcript of the speech, where he called Bush's decision to go to war 'rash', and said it was a 'dumb war': http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=99591469
DeleteHillary paid the price for her war vote when she lost the Democratic Primary. I know I did not vote for Hillary because of her war vote.
ReplyDeleteThere was plenty of evidence for all who bothered to look to see that the information of the Bush administration was based on lies. Remember the Yellow Cake from Nigeria story? Weapons of mass destruction my ass.
But that was then and this is now. If the choice is Clinton or Bush (and I would bet the farm that those will be our choices), Hillary will get my vote every time.
As Hillary prepares to launch a 2016 campaign, her approval ratings have dropped to a seven-year low, returning to the same spot they were right after she dropped out of the presidential race last time.
Deletehttp://www.nationaljournal.com/2016-elections/hillary-clinton-s-challenge-she-s-liked-best-when-she-s-not-running-20150320
Your are correct, but Obama was an outspoken critic of the war.
ReplyDelete"Obama was not a senator at the time of the voting of the Iraq War Resolution, but repeatedly voiced his disapproval of it both before and during his senatorship, saying at an anti war rally in Chicago on October 2, 2002: "I am not opposed to all wars. I’m opposed to dumb wars." He also spoke of the "undetermined length... undetermined cost, [and] undetermined consequences" which even a successful war would bring.
Alaska's electoral votes will always go for the the Republican candidate, so really Gryphen, you don't have to vote for Hillary, in fact, other races are much more important for us to engage in here in AK. The POTUS is not chosen by us, so you can sit it out without feeling a bit of guilt.
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