Friday, January 29, 2016

Supporters of the Oregon protesters are claiming that LaVoy Finicum was gunned down in cold blood. FBI surveillance footage tells a different story.

You can see at the 9:18 mark then Finicum exits the vehicle, and then reaches into his pocket, and is shot by the officers at the 9:32 mark.

Here is the FBI statement regarding the footage: 

The video picks up a few seconds before the FBI and OSP vehicles pull in behind the jeep -- the second vehicle in line. The jeep quickly pulls to a stop while the white truck -- driven by LaVoy Finicum -- continues some distance up the road. Some law enforcement vehicles stay with the jeep while others continue following the white truck. Over a period of several minutes out of camera view, the following people exit the jeep without incident: 

*The driver -- who was not charged and will not be named 
*Ammon Bundy 
*Brian Cavalier 

Looking at the white truck... about four minutes into the video ... Ryan Payne exits through a back door. It's difficult to see behind the trees, but in the lower right hand corner you can see him with his hands up being approached by the law enforcement officers and being taken into custody. 

There is a period of approximately 3 minutes and 47 seconds where the truck sits on the road. We have edited it for time here, but it is available in the raw, unedited version on the FBI's YouTube channel. Throughout this time, agents and troopers are providing verbal commands to the occupants to surrender. We can't comment on what may have been going on in the truck at this time, but those details may come out later as part of the overall shooting investigation. When we come back to the video, the white truck leaves the scene at a high rate of speed. It travels some distance... quickly approaching a vehicle roadblock in the roadway. 

As the white truck approaches the roadblock, there is a spike strip across the road but it appears Finicum missed it as he attempted to drive around the roadblock. He nearly hits an FBI agent as he maneuvers to the left. The truck gets stuck in the snowbank. 

Finicum leaves the truck and steps through the snow. Agents and troopers on scene had information that Finicum and others would be armed. On at least two occasions, Finicum reaches his right hand toward a pocket on the left inside portion of his jacket. He did have a loaded 9 mm semi-automatic handgun in that pocket. 

At this time, OSP troopers shot Finicum. 

Approximately 30 seconds after the shooting -- law enforcement officers at the scene deployed flash bangs to disorient any other armed occupants. Shortly after that, they deployed less-lethal sponge projectiles with OC capsules. Those OC capsules would be similar to pepper spray. 

Over a period of several minutes agents and troopers worked to safely remove the remaining truck occupants, and to take them into custody. Those people included: 

*Ryan Bundy 
*Shawna Cox 
*And another woman, who was not arrested and will not be named.

I think that's pretty clear.

This Finicum guy jumps out and puts his hands in his pocket, which was later shown to contain a pistol, and was shot dead.  

Which was clearly the choice that he purposefully made, since there was no way he was going to get out of there without facing jail time.

These guys started this protest for irrational reasons, and they are now facing the very obvious and predictable consequences of those actions.

As far as I'm concerned the survivors should be thanking their lucky stars that all of them are not lying in the snow alongside a road in Oregon.

96 comments:

  1. Anonymous12:17 PM

    Another waste of a life in a totally misguided - and lost - cause. Yet this violent, paranoid, delusional, male inadequacy syndrome sufferer will be considered a martyr in the idiot circle he moved in.

    What a world, what a world.

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    1. Anonymous12:44 PM

      As a native American woman, I find it absurd that these middle-aged white men know nothing about who really owns the land. Additionally, their white "entitlement/paranoia" is truly nauseating. They should have to do community service projects remotely (for the Paiute tribe) FROM PRISON for all the damage they've done.

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    2. Anonymous1:32 PM

      Agreed.

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    3. Anonymous8:14 PM

      12:44. I couldn't agree more! The natives were here first. They respected the land. It sickened me to see them out there digging away with the heavy equipment. How many artifacts would they try to steal if they hadn't searched their vehicals? And that's one of their requests was to not be searched as they left.

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    4. Anonymous8:16 PM

      These fools wanted it Returned to the ranchers. If anything it should go back to our tribes.

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  2. Anonymous12:42 PM

    These macho armchair warriors (no more warriors than these camo dress up pretend soldiers) would have been happy Finicum was "surrenduring" on his knees with his hands up? Rilly?

    No matter how the guy bought it, they are going to blame law enforcement (here, not in the case of Michael Brown or Tamir Rice,) not these yokels who haven't even articulated what it is exactly, they are fightin for.

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    1. Anonymous1:43 PM

      What they are "fighting for" is their dream of revolution against the government. The Bundys and Finicum are FLDS. Bundy's family ties go back to Colorado City, AZ where the FEds raided because of underage plural wives. His ancestors moved to NV and AZ after the raid. Same sort of raid happened in El Dorado,Tx except that raid put their "Prophet" Warren Jeffs in prison for the rest of his life where he is said to "rule his kingdom from his Texas prison cell." FLDS hates the government but they dont mind taking government handouts. Do searches on EWG website for all the farm subsidies Bundys get in Clark County NV. They're all greedy grifters who cant seem to get enough.

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  3. Anonymous12:42 PM

    I have to applaud the group protesting. Constitutionally; federal has no authority to 'steal' land from the states.

    Anyone who doesn't recognize the federal tyranny and communism taking hold in this nation is either blink or knows no other.

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    1. Anonymous12:48 PM

      What the hell? @12:42? AIP much?

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    2. Anonymous1:10 PM

      Actually it is the federal governments right to own land. Too bad they didn't shoot all those terrorists.

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    3. Anonymous1:22 PM

      you might want to read up on the history of US Territories and each state's constitution to understand Federal lands, National Parks and Monuments as well as protected state lands before you make such an uninformed statement 12:42 pm

      Sheesh

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    4. Anonymous1:48 PM

      "Blink or knows no other?" Hmm, that actually sounds like a good name for an indie band!

      And then they can shoot up the venue and anyone who dares not to like them.

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    5. Anonymous1:57 PM

      Let's go back to the origin of the incident. Google "Hammond arson poaching" and the first items that come up are the federal charges against the father/son ranchers who were leasing federal land for grazing their cattle. Poaching deer, then setting a fire (on federal land that they were leasing NOT land that they owned) in order to hide the evidence. This was NOT their only arson charge. Arson is a serious crime, endangering lives and property of their neighbors, as well as potentially killing firefighters fighting the blaze.

      Five years imprisonment for repeat offenders doesn't sound unfair to me.

      As the Hammonds were (finally!) reporting to serve their sentences a whole slew of folks from out of state decided to occupy a wildlife refuge that all of us own. Damage has been done to my property and yours- and we're not even beginning to discuss the invasion of sacred Paiute tribe lands and the disruption of bird migration.

      I have as much sympathy for this group as I would for a group setting up a meth house in my neighborhood.

      Wild Tortoise

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    6. Anonymous2:21 PM

      That federal land belongs to all of us. I like it that way, too. States that have federal land have way more opportunities for recreation, hunting, fishing, horseback riding, hiking, etc. If it was privately owned, there would be fences and gates with no trespassing signs. State owned would have fracking, oil & gas exploration, and whatever else That could make money. There is only a so much open public land, and I'd prefer it was used by everyone instead of a couple ranch families.

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    7. Anonymous3:48 PM

      This land, all of it, doesn't "belong" to anyone but the native americans. Chris Columbus forgot to update his Garmin GPS, and thought he landed in India, that's how American Indians ended up being called "Indians". These mental giants felt it was their constitutional right to steal natural resources to steal it from those who stole it first. Blink folks AND Communists know more than the militia to nowhere.

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    8. Anonymous7:31 PM

      3:48 huh?

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    9. Anonymous7:39 PM

      One of my bosses on the Walker fire was a forest planner out of Utah. Its unbelievable the time and planning that goes into balancing the needs of our fed.lands versus the wants of man.

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    10. Anonymous8:00 PM

      Anytime we go in to fight wildfires,we're putting our lives on the line. Fools that arson wild lands deserve to be prosicuted to the fullest extent of the law. Their choice. Stupid is,as stupid does. No Whiners!

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    11. Anonymous8:00 PM

      Anytime we go in to fight wildfires,we're putting our lives on the line. Fools that arson wild lands deserve to be prosicuted to the fullest extent of the law. Their choice. Stupid is,as stupid does. No Whiners!

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    12. Anonymous8:34 PM

      Constitutionally; federal has no authority to 'steal' land from the states.
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      The problem with your argument is these terrorists do not want to give the land to the state, they want it free for themselves.

      They should not only do prison time, but they should also be required to pay restitution for the damage they did to the ecosystem.

      Also in the real constitution, not the made up one you fake patriots use, only a regulated militia has the right to bear arms ie the National Guard, not a bunch of moochers.

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    13. You sound like one of the delusional domestic terrorists that are also claiming that the sanctuary was "abandoned".

      Like employees don't have a right to go home to their families at night and on weekends?

      Too bad you weren't there to get arrested too. Too chicken to put your arse where your brain is?

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    14. Anonymous6:25 AM

      How come you weren't out there with other patriots, begging for snacks? They could have used your support.

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  4. Anonymous12:43 PM

    2016 contenders:

    Hillary: Devil incarnate who is famous for having complete and total disrespect for everyone except hersef.

    Bernie: Seems only to care about income inequality and free stuff; Has a famous temperament problem. (Though he is MY choice, since no president aside from Bush is even-keeled in PRIVATE)

    OMalley: Underdog, no real controversy

    Trump: Results-oriented, is charitable and successful. But blustery and petty.

    Cruz: Possibly Hillary part 2

    Kasich: underdog, no real controversy

    What I want to see: A Bernie/Trump debate to see who bests reigns himself in

    A Kasich/OMalley debate to see what 2 underdogs say.

    THAT would result in good results.


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    1. Anonymous6:01 PM

      Trump is not charitable.

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    2. Anonymous9:44 PM

      And Hillary is not the devil incarnate. Grow up.

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  5. Anonymous12:43 PM

    Today Show is pandering to the Right by having whack-job Who-what-when-where Sarah on on Monday in Iowa. The response is, shall we say, less than positive.

    https://twitter.com/TODAYshow/status/693043687660589056

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    1. Anonymous1:54 PM

      Sounds like a GMA ratings spike haha :)

      But really... those tweets against Palin are brutal heehee

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    2. Anonymous2:04 PM

      My favorite comment: "I'd rather chew my own arm off and eat it."

      Ouch, that's gonna leave a mark!

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    3. Anonymous9:24 PM

      Better that I watch another channel than end up throwing my oatmeal at the tv when screech shows her ugly face. It would be a waste of good oatmeal. That face and voice rilly makes my stomach turn.

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  6. Anonymous12:43 PM

    Gryph -- this is not factually correct. There were 2 vehicles -- one with Ammon Bundy in it (Jeep) and another with Finicum in it (pickup truck).

    The vehicle originally stopped. Ammon Bundy and two others exited the vehicle, which then sped off only to be stopped a few miles up the road.

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    1. Anonymous9:27 PM

      Ammon and the others were in the jeep. They didn't get out of the white truck.

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  7. Anonymous12:46 PM

    They all either belong in jail for a very long time for domestic terrorism, or removed permanently from the gene pool.

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  8. Anonymous12:55 PM

    So I can't watch. Just like I can't watch police shooting black people. It hurts too much.

    Yeah, the Bundy's and Co. are obviously dumb and misguided and are easy to ridicule. They're so pathetic it's sad. Had there been a critical thinker among them, they would have avoided this embarrassing spectacle (and death) and made some traction fighting against their real enemy: Big Beef. Thanks to Big Beef, it is a buyer's market. Joe Small Rancher is getting squeezed and can no longer make a living as a cowboy like his father and grandfather did -- that's the frustration playing out here. An illuminating article about this:

    http://www.motherjones.com/tom-philpott/2016/01/malheur-militants-are-picking-wrong-beef-feds

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    1. Isn't the same thing true for most farming across North America (maybe the world?)?

      Big grain, big soy, big corn and whatnot are squeezing people the same way. But farmers don't normally wear hip holsters...Could that be part of the problem with the mentality of these cowboys?

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    2. Anonymous4:54 PM

      Sure, except Bundy IS Big Beef. He's a multi freekin' millionaire living off of government hand outs and demanding more.

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    3. Anonymous5:48 PM

      They are domestic terrorists.

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    4. Anonymous5:51 PM

      Persdonally as a cattle rancher from Texas I think the federal lands need to be saved for the wild horses instead of slaughtering them so we can lease lands to a few handfuls of ranchers. The flood the market with cheap beef and we, the ranchers that actually have to either buy or lease land ( at much more than the pennies these fuckups rent federal land) to raise our beef on. I want a fair playing field.

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    5. Anonymous7:28 PM

      5:51. I like your way of thinking. what are they charging per head now? I remember how Simplot in Idaho was using our wild horses to feed his hogs. Absolutely sickening. He also poluted our waters with mining. On the Soda fire. we lost 28 head of wild horses. Ranchers could care less about the wild creatures. Its all about them getting cheap fees and over grazing our lands so nothing is left for the wild animals that depend on the grazing to survive. We brought the rest of the wildhorses in to winter them up above boise in the wild horse corrals. There was nothing left for them to survive the winter on.

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    6. Anonymous7:30 PM

      Yeah. Old man bundy is big beef on a tiny 150 acre ranch. Small ranch. Big Mouth.

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  9. Anonymous12:58 PM

    What they say.

    Play stupid games, win stupid prize.

    In Finicum's case he won a dirt nap.

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    1. Anonymous5:53 PM

      Sorry, this wasn't a "game" , this is domestic terrorism and nothing less.

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  10. The video is pretty clear to me. Anyone else would have been shot even faster.

    This man was radicalized by the Bundy's and the rabid right. Now they lie about tarpman giving up to deflect the blame they should be owning.

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  11. Anonymous1:05 PM

    O/T: listeninh to MSNBC's report on who will get donations from Trump's fundraiser. One beneficiary will be "Puppy Jake Foundation from Iowa".

    Isn't that the place that gave PAlin her "trained" service puppy? You know the one that was used as a step-stool?

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    1. Anonymous1:20 PM

      Isn't Becky Beach a Bushie from way back?

      http://www.wrmea.org/2009-january-february/attempt-to-arrest-karl-rove-results-in-trespassing-convictions.html

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    2. Anonymous4:58 PM

      Figures. If indeed he did raise 5 to 6 million and it didn't go into his own pocket then we'd expect to s eee something YUGE come out of it. Like an end to homeless vets. Whatca' wanna bet we'll see nothing significant happen. Words, though, we'll hear a lot of words, we just won't "see" anything different.

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    3. Anonymous7:13 PM

      Isn't puppy Jake a scam? All words,no rill action.

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  12. Anonymous1:12 PM

    He said he was ready to die.
    Be careful what you wish for.
    ~Canuck~

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    1. Anonymous1:40 PM

      Yes, he reiterated to LOD one night that he came to Oregon to die. The threats and intimidation they waged on the sleepy town of Burns is a shame. He is no martyr.

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  13. Anonymous1:13 PM

    I don't care if it is the FBI, if the agents did not SEE a gun, they can't even say self-defense.

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    1. Anonymous1:30 PM

      If Finicum would have kept both hands in the air, he wouldn't have been shot. Deal with it.

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    2. Anonymous1:30 PM

      The FBI did not fire the fatal shot. It was the OSP which had every reason to shoot. If a suspect has made statements that he would not be taken alive, tried to break through a roadblock, known to always carry and always to carry not only a long gun but a shoulder harness, jumped out of his vehicle and reached into his jacket with his shooting hand, it doesnt make any difference whether it was a bag of peanuts or a 9MM, it's justified. BTW, by running the road block he effectively put every passenger in that car in danger including an 18 yo female who was not likely in agreement to end her life on that day. Just sayin'

      Sheesh

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    3. So every police killing across the US would be justified too?

      Video really is in the eye of the beholder.

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    4. Anonymous3:29 PM

      If you wait until you see a gun, it's usually too late.

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    5. Oops again. The logic is just so backward it evades me. Maybe a couple less glasses of wine tomorrow?

      If tarpman had better footing he would have died with his pistol in his hand. If he had enough time he would have got a shot off. If no one stopped him he would have murdered an agent.

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    6. Anonymous5:55 PM

      The terrorist should have kept his hands in the air and followed the instructions of the ;aw enforcement officers on the scene. But he didn't, so he's dead. It was his choice.

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    7. Anonymous6:56 PM

      Yes it was. HIS choice.

      Of course they always bring family on. Daughter: "my Dsd was the most loving, peaceful man."

      Of course he was.

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    8. Anonymous9:37 PM

      And you forgot the rest of her statement. He's a martyr now.

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    9. Bee fucking Ess.

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  14. I live here, in the high desert of Central Oregon. The Bundy Bunch said they'd leave if the town didn't want them here. We didn't and that was voiced loudly at community meetings. While it was frustrating to see them damaging the refuge, including sacred Indian lands, going through Indian artifacts, and coming and going as they pleased really made their egos overtake their common sense. Their "branching out" into Grant County, set them up. There aren't a lot of roads out here. The only interstate is I-5, and that's over in the Valley. I'm grateful they are in jail and hope they stay there. It's going to be a long time before the area gets over this. These people are NOT patriots. They're delusional nuts playing dress up. They think their interpretation of the Constituation is correct. They are wrong. LaVoy Finicum had said many times he wasn't going to jail. He made his choice and now a lot of people have to live with it. He was not a hero.

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    1. Anonymous2:45 PM

      Thank you, Deni 2:03. While the refuge is in Oregon, I feel that I, too, had my public lands violated by these thugs.

      Thanks for having our backs up there, keeping your cool, and for standing up for OUR land...the peoples of the United States of America!

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    2. Anonymous3:31 PM

      Bless you, Deni, I am in Portland and can't imagine what it's like up close and personal from the coverage we've seen. It sure has split a once peaceful community in two. So unfair to all of you!

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    3. Anonymous5:25 PM

      Deni, I spent my honeymoon on that refuge. It is beyond all reason beautiful! (First time I saw a sandhill crane!!!) I’ve no empathy with these idiots. These people are not patriots. And, what the hell is a Patriot? The United States is not battling another country for sovereign status!

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  15. Anonymous2:22 PM

    Instead of having a circle jerk in some unimportant little part of Oregon, these ignorant moron ass-clowns should take their guns and their dumb-asses over to the Middle East and do some real good, fighting ISIS.

    Cowards, all of them.

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    1. Anonymous9:42 PM

      Yeah,and take palins with you.

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  16. If you watch the video close, it appears that he reaches with one hand to pull his jacket back and then reaches in with his other hand, he does this twice. He actually got to live a few seconds longer than he should have.

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    1. Anonymous7:10 PM

      Yes, and news reports said it is unprecedented that the FBI would release such graphic footage and knew it would cause controversy, but proper procedures were followed.

      Taken from a news helicopter, one cannot tell what was being yelled back and forth. His hands were also not up the air but to his sides.

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    2. Anonymous9:46 PM

      Easier to get to his gun than with them up above his head. That was maybe what he had in mind was to take one of them out,with him. Quikdraw,he wasn't.

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  17. Anonymous2:32 PM

    I know of some Mormons in Nevada who lent their support to Clivan Bundy and they are up in arms over this! LaVoy according to them was a loving, wonderful father, husband, and Christian who was murdered in cold blood. Yup, they believe it and are spreading it like wildfire.

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    1. Anonymous3:25 PM

      Ate they regular Mormons or FLDS? From what I've read regular Mormons don't approve of FLDS and take great pains to distance themselves from FLDS.

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    2. Anonymous4:01 PM

      No, there are the regular kind: one wife, 10 kids!

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    3. Anonymous9:52 PM

      The Mo's are sure a bunch of pushy fucks anyway. My ex landlord had the bishop next door build a fence in my yard 10 ft. over the property line. He would steal my irrigation water. Take the slats out of my chainlink fence so he could see in my home. Sprayed my vegetable garden with roundup.

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  18. Anonymous2:36 PM

    Managing the National lands, historic sites, antiquities etc. is costly. Western states are larger in dynamics. Ranchers are important. They feed America. The land has been managed accordingly and balanced for all the citizens of america. Some ranchers are faced with many challenges, drought weather disasters insects. The lease agreements are not unreasonable or costly. Ranching is a way of life. If you don't own the land then you must lease it. Just like any business. This terrible event is very stupid sad. There are reasons that we have law and order today. There are reasons for laws and regulations. This land belongs to Good ol mother earth. Respect it. This event was about something else.

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    1. Anonymous3:07 PM

      well-written 2:36.

      I worked for the BLM in the Mojave Desert and experienced first-hand what a multiple-use agency has to do to balance all the pressures on public land, including mining, ranching, agriculture, recreation, and preservation of historic and natural sites. Lots and lots of time and money go into these decisions: which areas are best suited for what activities. Lots and lots of public input is considered.

      The BLM, the multiple use agency, has a very difficult mandate to balance all these pressures on the resources of OUR public land.

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    2. Anonymous5:14 PM

      3:07. So true, the amount of effort to make policy that is amenable to user groups is enormous. In the Malheur area there are active and congenial meetings regarding the refuge. And, there are ranchers, Native groups and interested citizens on all boards. It is ridiculous to think policy isn’t well considered by all invested. Apparently, the group occupying the refuge had little insight into process in that area. I was so irritated when I saw the video where the fellow “despairs” over the way artifacts are stored in the refuge. Firstly, the artifacts could easily have been without provenance given how much potting goes on out there. Secondly, the refuge is not the last place such artifacts would be studied and/or cataloged. The ignorance and hubris of the men “occupying” the refuge eludes most intelligent thought.

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    3. Maybe the BLM person who posted at 3:07 can answer this.

      My understanding is that the people who lease BLM land for grazing are getting a sweet deal, bcause:

      1. To lease private land would be much more expensive.

      2. On BLM land, the feds pay for predator control, fire control, erosion mediation, roads, and the like.

      3. Lease payments don't cover the fed's costs.

      ??????

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  19. Anonymous3:00 PM

    Gryphen, Ammon was not in and did not get out of the white vehicle, he was in the jeep that was behind.

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    1. Yeah, I got a little confused by the FBI report.

      Fixed now.

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  20. Anita Winecooler3:58 PM

    Gee, why wasn't this called "an accident"? This militia of mensa rejects were warned, and got carried away, thinking the bureau of land management and the FBI were just playing games.
    Where's Queen No Teefus's death panel facebook screed? I'm glad they got the entire thing on film, kind of negates the "his back was to them and his hands were in the air when boom went the gun". Hope he died quick and didn't suffer. There's a cure for stupidity, but it's too little too late.

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  21. After he drove his truck into the snowbank, it is pretty clear that Finicum had a hard time trying to flee in knee-deep snow, thus his arms out sideways. It is also pretty clear that he had no intention of stopping before facing the roadblock. If anything, he sped up before crashing into the snowbank on the left side of the road. That he didn't injure the officer who jumped from behind a vehicle when it looked like Finicum's truck would hit it is just pure luck.

    I watched the video several times, pausing it down to slow-motion. Finicum did indeed reach into his jacket or belt at least twice before being shot. Even if he hadn't stated - multiple times - that he had no intention of surrendering peacefully, the video doesn't lie. It shows a man who thinks he is either butch or sundance. It shows a man who wants to die in a hail of bullets.

    Somehow I cannot feel sorry for him, or his compatriots who are charged and will be convicted.

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  22. Anonymous4:17 PM

    Who the fuck cares? Run your mouth act like an idiot take over a federal facility and really, what do you expect? He got exactly what he deserved.

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  23. Anonymous5:24 PM

    hmmm. confusing? they said that they all had bullet proof vest and always had their guns attached to hip. The words that these americans repeat is the propaganda distributed at gun shows every weekend. The little booklet that they wave is probably from the heritage foundation. Brainwashed and Bamboozled Americans groomed to repeat. Sad.

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  24. Anonymous5:34 PM

    Getting out of the car to have a shoot-out with several well armed, kevlar vested professionals with peashooter weapon still in pocket.......recipe for one dead snowbunny.
    What a dumbfuck!

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  25. Oregon judge this afternoon ordered the Bundy boys and several of their terrorist accomplices held without bail -- judge said they are a threat to others and are a flight risk.

    Ought to arrest old man Bundy, too.

    Seize their guns, vehicles, real property, livestock, cats, dogs, bank accounts, brokerage accounts, the clothes on their backs, and ship 'em off the Gitmo.

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    1. Anonymous7:11 PM

      Also, one of the four left has a warrant out for his arrest on an unrelated charge. Such lovely people.

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    2. Anonymous11:27 PM

      They all belong in Gitmo

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    3. That judge is absolutely spot on.

      Wonder who the miscreants got for lawyers and who is paying for it. Have they put up a GoFundMe page yet?

      With their history, they're probably using a public defender since they never pay for anything when they can get it for free at the taxpayer's expense.

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  26. Anonymous6:12 PM

    Wonder if there were explosives in that truck that he was planning to detonate at the roadblock? AN American patriot/terrorist (fortuanately failed) suicide bomber

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  27. A Superfan In Atlanta7:43 PM

    I have watched the video several times and have a few questions.

    1) What time did all of this occur? The video is clear and reads from a zero time stamp which means after midnight when it would be extremely dark outside. If so, that would explain Finicum not seeing the other officer coming up behind him and startling him. It would also explain why Victoria Sharp thought she heard 100 shots coming into the car when it was only the flash bangs going off.

    2) Did anyone else notice the flashlight that kept going across Finicum's face after he got shot? Was it from the people inside the vehicle he was driving or from the officers?

    I am probably way too vested in the minute details of this event.

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    1. Anonymous9:40 PM

      It wasn't after midnight. It was, at most, early evening.

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    2. Anonymous6:08 AM

      4:30 PM PST.

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    3. The zero may be footage and not time stamp. In other words, zero is when they start to record.

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  28. Anonymous5:14 AM

    Any new updates?

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  29. Anonymous5:18 AM

    Truck lights were on. Looks like its dusk.

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    1. I keep my car lights on whenever I drive no matter what time of day.

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  30. A. J. Billings5:27 AM

    If these were heavily armed Black Lives Matter protestors, it would have taken one day before they were all teargassed and/or shot and taken into custody.

    If these were armed MUSLIMS, just imagine the outrage and umbrage taken. The Palinbot Teaparty White CHristian nut cases would have been screaming for just bombing them all.

    But if a bunch of armed white men spouting Jesus loves us and misquoting the Constitution occupy a Federal building, well we have 30% of the country applauding them, and the Feds have to proceed very carefully.

    Total hypocrites

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    1. Anonymous6:13 AM

      True that, AJB. The Feds don't want another Waco or Ruby Ridge on their hands. If I were in charge, they would have been droned long ago.

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