Tuesday, March 29, 2016

How Susan Sarandon single-handedly turned me against Bernie Sanders supporters.

Courtesy of the Daily Beast:  

As they continued to discuss the issue, Hayes pressed Sarandon to see the election as potentially a choice between Clinton and Trump, arguing that Sanders himself would “probably” urge his supporters to vote for her. 

“I think Bernie would probably encourage people, because he doesn’t have any ego in this thing,” Sarandon told him. “But I think a lot of people are, ‘Sorry, I just can’t bring myself to [vote for Clinton].’” 

“How about you personally?” Hayes asked. 

“I don’t know. I’m going to see what happens,” Sarandon said. 

That bit of honesty prompted Hayes to stop in his tracks. “Really?” he asked incredulously. 

“Really,” Sarandon said, adding that “some people feel that Donald Trump will bring the revolution immediately if he gets in, things will really explode.” Asked if she thinks that’s “dangerous,” she replied, “It’s dangerous to think that we can continue the way we are with the militarized police force, with privatized prisons, with the death penalty, with the low minimum wage, threats to women’s rights and think you can’t do something huge to turn that around.”

So to Susan Sarandon, Bernie Sanders and Donald Trump are two sides of the same "revolution?"

WTF?

You know I sometimes joke on here about yelling at my TV set, but during this interview I literally was yelling at my TV set.

It's not that Sarandon did not make good points about Clinton's ties to Monsanto and fracking, she did. However these are small parts of a much bigger picture, a picture that Sarandon and many other supporters of Bernie Sanders seem unable to fully appreciate.

Such as the importance of making sure we have somebody who will continue to support the Affordable Care Act, will select reasonable Supreme Court nominees who will fight for women's right to choose and help overturn the Citizen's United decision, and has the capability to bring in more Democrats to the House and Senate so that we can start to make some real progress in this country concerning improved infrastructure and moving from fossil fuels to renewable energy.

After I watched it I went downstairs to talk to my daughter about it, and she responded by telling me that a large number of Sanders supporters were of the same opinion as Sarandon. (This after she assured me she was not one of them of course.)

I think I kind of lost it after that, and started ranting about how Sanders was not supporting down ticket Democrats, so his ideas were pie in the sky fantasies that would elicit very little support from Democrats who worried about retaining their seats once Bernie's big socialist agenda crashed and burned on liftoff.

I also said that anybody who has lived through the sixties and seventies knows full well that revolutions in the United States do not bring huge changes, but good ideas can take root, and change can occur, if people remain realistic and keep pushing their agenda even in the face of entrenched opposition.

I also ranted that people like this were the crux of the problem because they sit out midterm elections, and fail to support local elections, and then every four years awaken from their political hibernation to bitch about the process and throw their support behind the spoiler candidate who has little if any chance of winning.

By the end I had decided that I was simply done with Bernie Sanders.

I KNOW that some of you are Bernie supporters, and I want to be sympathetic to your point of view, but at this point I am finding it almost impossible to feign neutrality in the face of the bullshit that I am seeing.

Even the Republicans are in on this scam

The only ones who don't seem to recognize what is happening here are the Sanders supporters themselves, and unless they wake up they will soon find themselves living in a country where revolution really WILL seem like the only viable alternative.

278 comments:

  1. Anonymous8:37 AM

    You are done with all Sanders supporters, and Bernie, because of what this woman said? Isn't that like being 'done' with all Alaskans because of something Sarah says?

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    1. Anonymous8:47 AM

      FUCK Sarah
      FUCK Bernie

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    2. That is false equivalency 8:37.

      This is the latest chapter in an ongoing saga demonstrating that Bernie supporters are simply using the Democratic party as camouflage for a movement that has no possibility of achieving its goal.

      And for me this is the final chapter.

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    3. Anonymous9:09 AM

      Count me in,gryph. This guy has based his run on fantasy.

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    4. Anonymous 8:37 AM wrote: You are done … because of what this woman said?

      Perhaps you missed, or skimmed over, the place where he wrote, "Sarandon and many other supporters"? Perhaps you also missed, "my daughter … telling me that a large number of Sanders supporters were of the same opinion as Sarandon"?

      Perhaps you failed to notice that practically all that he wrote was directed at Sanders supporters generally, not just at Sarandon?

      Isn't that like being 'done' with all Alaskans because of something Sarah says?

      No, it would be like being 'done' with all Sarah supporters because of something Sarah says. Are you trying to construct a logical argument, or are you just trying to dump on Gryphen?

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    5. Anonymous9:34 AM

      So then, it wasn't 'single-handedly'. There are other reasons. You already had your reservations. That cool. It wasn't a false equivalency if this had been the only reason. Both would be over simplified.

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    6. Anonymous9:38 AM

      No, Gryphon, you are exactly what you claim to hate. If Sanders wins the nomination, I have a sneaking suspicion that you couldn't bring yourself to vote for him.

      Ranting at your daughter over this whole thing, your division of your own party, and your hypocrisy...

      Fuck you. I'm done. 7 years almost a daily reader... I'm not interested in a blue version of the Sea o'Pee. Pathetic.

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    7. Wherein The Young Turks acquaint you with another Republican--Lawrence Wilkerson, in this case--who's "in on the scam":
      https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10153515294709205&id=210277954204

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    8. Anonymous10:00 AM

      S.U.T.

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    9. Anonymous10:09 AM

      9:26am

      Actually it would be like being done with Sarah and ALL of her supporters because of the something that one of her supporters said.

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    10. Anonymous10:14 AM

      9:38am

      Not to speak for Gryphen but it seems to me, after reading him as well for over 8 years, that he does seem to take a lot of this political stuff more seriously and more to heart than many of us do.

      A lot of us commenters, well, we comment, but I don't see many who have the same passion for this stuff as Gryphen does, most of us just seem to not put much thought into it.

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    11. Anonymous10:23 AM

      Does anyone here actually believe that 9:38am is a daily reader of seven years?

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    12. Anonymous10:28 AM

      @9:38 I'm with you.

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    13. Anonymous10:31 AM

      You've been here 7 years and you think Gryphen wouldn't vote for Sanders knowing that doing so would bascially be a vote for Trump or whatever piece of shit the GOP has representing them?

      YOu haven't been paying attention.

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    14. Anonymous11:11 AM

      9:38 - You haven't been here for seven years. What a peawit. The dumber they get the more transparent they become.

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    15. Anonymous11:31 AM

      Thank You for writing this post, Gryphen. With you 100%. - Reader of 8 years.

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    16. Anonymous11:39 AM

      Me too 9:28. Been here from the beginning, will only read Palin posts from now on.
      And I'm still confused about Gryphen believing TriG isn't Levi's.
      Explain Triggy Bear photos and Levi tenderly holding his " girlfriend's mother's baby" .....

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    17. Anonymous12:00 PM

      I am a four year loyal IMer And I am with 9:38.

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    18. I have been with Gryphen since 2008 and have pointed many people to this blog. I ready it a few times a week, at a minimum. And I am (mostly) with 9:38. While I respect your opinion on this I do not concur, at all, and I plan to skip right over the Bernie-bashing posts.

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    19. Anonymous1:03 PM

      Clinton is going to be charged due to her reckless handling of classified material and that is just the beginning. The Palin PAC ain't got nothing on the Clinton Foundation political favor slush fund.

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    20. Anonymous1:22 PM

      I am really surprised at you. I am a Bernie supporter and you are lumping us all into a single category. I support Bernie, but have not said a single thing against Hillary. I will vote for her, but I would rather have real change in the White House. Not cool, not cool. I feel like I'm being held accountalbe for something I didn't do. Pretty fucked up.

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    21. Anonymous1:34 PM

      She's not going to be charged, but it's obvious you're as giddy about the possibility as any Republican.

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  2. I respectfully have to disagree Gryphen. At our caucus, everyone said that they would vote for whomever is the candidate on the Democratic ticket, be it Sanders or Clinton although they obviously preferred their choice, which was overwhelmingly Sanders. I remember much the same arguments when Obama first campaigned for president, although it was more of a black man cannot be president than an old white man who is a Progressive Socialist cannot be president. President Obama has been awesome, who's to say that President Sanders may not also be an awesome president working for the people and the corporations in the country. Straight Democratic ticket.

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    1. Anonymous9:18 AM

      There are still a lot of men that would never vote for a woman as well, how do you think we ended up with a half-black President to begin with, it was actually preferable for many as opposed to having a woman POTUS.

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    2. Anonymous9:47 AM

      9:18 You got that right!
      History baby, History!
      GO HRC!!

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    3. Anonymous10:45 AM

      Me three. What revolution, you mean even worse homeless people? Cut oil from mideast and no vehicles that are not gas powered and if there are it will only be for the wealthy? Sarandon better wise up. Go Hillary.

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  3. Anonymous8:44 AM

    Bernie Sanders

    Bernie Sanders started off as the big hearted grandfather who wanted to run a clean campaign and now Bernie Sanders turned back into the

    GIT OFF MY LAWN
    SOCIALIST GRANDFATHER

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    1. Anonymous10:11 AM

      Ok, so I have to assume, given your distaste for Socialism, that you do not participate in the Affordable Care Act and will not accept Social Security or Medicare money when you are of age?

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    2. Anonymous12:05 PM

      No, 10:11. You can like aspects of socialism as applied to a democracy without liking a grumpy old opportunist.

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  4. Anonymous8:49 AM

    As a diehard Bernie Sanders supporter, I was a little taken aback with that statement also. I too dislike Hillary a lot, (it used to didn't be that way) but at the end of the day if she's the nominee as I said many times before, I will hold my nose and vote for her, Drumpt or any republican IS NOT AN OPTION! O/T someone on my fb page had an image of a young black man holding a sign, it said "I'm not homeless, if trump is elected I'm need money to leave the country. BOOM!

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    1. Anonymous9:00 AM

      My mom is about to undergo serious heart surgery. Her top-notch 3-person team is made up of immigrants: India, Pakistan, Syria. Heck, my doctors are from Poland and Syria. (OK, I've got a US born white-bread dentist.) Without immigrants we have no graduate engineering/science medicine programs. Trumps is a dangerous idiot and so are his supporters.

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    2. Anonymous9:19 AM

      Hyperbole much?

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    3. Anonymous9:22 AM

      Thank you. I can understand liking Bernie better than Hilary. There are things Bernie says that I like better than Hilary. If Bernie wins, I will easily vote for him.

      I am disturbed that he seems unconcerned with the ticket and the bigger picture in D.C. and the election (e.g. Congress). I initially loved him for what he said, and thought he was a great "loyal opposistion." I don't think he is a great executive - I'm not sure of that, just my best guess - although I love many of his ideas. I'm losing that opinion of him as a great loyal opposition. Now I think he might not recognize that the perfect is the enemy of the good, or perhaps he would cut off his nose to spite his face.

      But like you, I will still vote for whichever gets the nomination. Thank you. Lucy

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    4. Anonymous10:08 AM

      9:00am

      I don't think that Trump will ban ALL immigrants, he'll just make sure that the ones that come here are the ones that we want here and that they have something to offer.

      Kind of like I can't just up and move from the US to Australia, or even Canada, unless I have a marketable skill that is in demand in those countries.

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    5. Anonymous10:18 AM

      The link to the article I read gives your viewpoint further credibility. Bernie will cut off his nose to spite his face. He has voted against bills many times that would do good for the majority because it didn't cover 100% of what he wanted. He's not willing to make any concessions or take steps to achieve what he desires. With Sanders, it's all or nothing. Clinton is the opposite and far more realistic.

      http://www.thepeoplesview.net/main/2016/3/18/me-first-why-bernie-sanders-voted-against-protecting-children

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    6. Anonymous10:48 AM

      @ 10:08 that is what our immigration system is set up to do now.

      Trump said he wants to ban all Muslims. If he wants to do what you are saying, then why didn't he say that.

      I have to take Trump at his word, not some "interpretation" of what I think or you think he means.

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    7. Anonymous11:34 AM

      Trump won't ban anyone with breast implants.

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    8. Anonymous12:34 PM

      Trump will have to moderate his views once he's in office. We all know that Congress will not work with some of his more extreme ideas, and yes, some Muslims will be allowed to visit America, and even some will be allowed to move here, but I think he will tighten up security and background checks, even greater than they are now post 911.

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    9. Anonymous1:33 PM

      Why are you so sure of that, 12:34. There are plenty of republicans in congress who have the same extreme views as Trump. And if Trump wins based on those views, they will be even more willing to back him.

      (he's not going to win, so it doesn't matter)

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  5. Anonymous8:55 AM

    This says it all: "I also said that anybody who has lived through the sixties and seventies knows full well that revolutions in the United States do not bring huge changes, but good ideas can take root, and change can occur, if people remain realistic and keep pushing their agenda even in the face of entrenched opposition." We didn't believe our elders either and we got Richard Nixon and Ronald Reagan while we were chasing dreams.

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    1. Anonymous9:10 AM

      Yup, and then along came George W. Bush while the "dreamers" were voting for Ralph Nader.
      Beaglemom

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    2. Anonymous9:10 AM

      Amen! I couldn't have said it any better as a revolutionary from that time period. How I changed the world ... by being a teacher for 40 years...that's how ;)

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    3. Anonymous9:48 AM

      I remember Nader telling everyone that there was no difference between Gore and Bush. It still pisses me off, after all these years.

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    4. Anonymous10:13 AM

      9:10 -
      Yayy for teachers! I still spend every day working with children, many of whom have parents who, by circumstance or by choice, are only marginally involved in raising their offspring.

      As educators, we teach them social skills and appropriate standards of behavior along with math and reading. We have high expectations and find that the vast majority of them live up to those expectations because they know we respect and love them and want the very best for them.

      We are striving to create good citizens and caring human beings as well as successful students. Hopefully they will be more thoughtful, tolerant, and generous then the politicians and 1% who are currently running the country.

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  6. Anonymous8:56 AM

    There are die-hards in any election. There were plenty of Hillary supporters who said they would not vote for Obama in 2008. How many Hillary supporters now would refuse to vote for Bernie if he were to become the nominee? Give it a rest, Gryph, and let things play out.

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    1. Anonymous9:26 AM

      You just hit the nail on the head, how soon people forget that were we already here, 8 years ago, listening to and hearing exactly the same thing.

      I personally don't even think about making a decision until the conventions are over and the nominee is chosen, then I decide. This lead up with the circus-atmosphere and the hand-wringing isn't for me.

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  7. Anonymous8:57 AM

    Spot on Gryphen.

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    1. Anonymous9:33 AM

      By the way, Cory L., got arrested for hurting reporting. Trump is challenging this.

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  8. I'm going to vote for the democrat who wins the primary
    delegate race.

    Being an ideologue throws the baby out with the bath water. Susan can get a quick boat out of the bullshit and go live in another country if things turn violently shitty here. But funny how she hedges on who she'll vote for.

    So will Susan be in the streets when the revolution and shooting starts? I'm not going to let a privileged woman turn me off against Bernie or Hilary. Its just her opinion---annoying as it is, she has a right to one.

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    1. 66gardeners1:23 PM

      I will also vote for the dem nominee, whomever wins. That said, it is galling that Sanders, himself, said he does not know if he would support Hillary if she wins. Sanders is doing the Ron Paul retirement plan, IMO

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  9. Anonymous9:02 AM

    I had a very similar conversation with my adult kids this past weekend! Neither are Bernie supporters but told me about their friends who are Bernie supporters who will not vote for Clinton at all. They just won't vote. I have very similar feelings about Bernie supporters that you have, Gryphen. That being said, I will vote for Bernie if he's the nominee. I won't NOT vote or vote for Trump.

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  10. Maple9:04 AM

    In the GWN (Great White North), we have never had "revolution" as part of our history. We have evolved, instead, into the sort of social democratic country that Sanders and his supporters would like to see. Perhaps, given that the birth of the U.S. came about because of revolution, it's in your DNA. But times have changed, and the health and welfare of your citizens through government decree have come about in small steps. That's the way of the world in civilized, first world countries.
    I say this primarily because Sanders supporters (and Trump supporters too) are being very unrealistic in their hopes, dreams and demands.

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    1. Anonymous12:58 PM

      You make a very good point. And, that point made me think of this: If they don't vote, then the extremists Trump and Sanders supporters -- totally opposite, but so much alike -- have just become what they hate: do-nothings, aka the Congress, the Tea Party Republicans who have blocked so much during the past 8 years -- enough to get these new extremists up in arms with anger at the government that does not function. Well, guess what, by sitting out rather than voting for the best option, they are no better than Mitch McConnell or Paul Ryan or any of the others who want to hold up everything until they get what THEY want. Here is what I say to them: Grow up and vote and be a positive influence instead of just another spoiled rotten temper tantrum 2 year old crying and flailing on the floor because things aren't going totally and 100% your way. Guess what? That is life!

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    2. Anonymous1:30 PM

      Sanders and trump are two sides of the same coin.

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  11. Anonymous9:08 AM

    When I learned that Bernie Sanders was again running as an "Independent" for his Senate seat and that he was not giving support to downstream, as they say, Democratic candidates in his speeches, I realized to what an extent the Democratic Party has been flimflammed by Sanders. If he ends up as our nominee, I will vote for him. But I can not see any possibility that he could win. I also fear that, if he became our nominee, his supporters would vote only for him and abandon the many good Democrats who are also on the ballot.
    Beaglemom

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    1. Anonymous11:36 AM

      Once again, I agree with you, Beaglemom.

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    2. Anonymous12:07 PM

      Exactly. He doesn't feel it's his responsibility to get any democrats at all, even though he's trying to be the person at the top of the ticket.

      How does he think he would get anything passed through congress without more democrats?

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    3. Anonymous1:20 PM

      At least Clinton is working to get other Democrats elected. Bernie isn't.

      I guess he thinks he can break the wall of "no" faced by Pres Obama purely through "leadership" (which Sanders apparently has lots of and Obama apparently has none of, according to Sanders).

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    4. Anonymous1:32 PM

      AND if he does get in, he will be able to do NOTHING he promised because the house and senate will be as red as blood. His own cult followers will turn on him in 2018 and the DEMS will lose in 2018, 2020, and 2024... all because some old fart let the cheers go to his head.

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  12. We'll have to agree to disagree Gryphen on the candidates. But when you say something like:"I also ranted that people like this were the crux of the problem because they sit out midterm elections, and fail to support local elections, and then every four years awaken from their political hibernation to bitch about the process and throw their support behind the spoiler candidate who has little if any chance of winning.
    " it pisses me off. Being a few years older than you I really lived through the '60s and '70s as a young adult and was well aware, as I am now, of what was going on. I don't know when a candidates supporters became fair game but it leaves a bad taste. And BTW I don't give a damn what Sarandon or any other celebrity has to say.

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    1. Anonymous9:44 AM

      Gryphen isn't talking about you or even most Sanders supporters.

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    2. Anonymous10:03 AM

      Agree, all Bernie supporters just got painted with Gryphen's broad brush, all because of what one self-centered has-been celebrity has to say.

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    3. Anonymous12:07 PM

      10:03 - Sarandon is an official Bernie surrogate. Her actions and words represent his campaign, at the very least.

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  13. Anonymous9:08 AM

    ME TOO!

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  14. Anonymous9:11 AM

    It sounds like she thinks her vote is more important than those of Hillary supporters. She is fortunate to have the financial ability to insulate herself or even flee the country during the four years of destruction a Trump administration promises. Most of us don't have that luxury.

    If Sanders wins, it tells me that more voters chose him and therefore I will support the majority decision, even though I believe Clinton is the better candidate.

    I haven't heard of more than a few isolated Clinton supporters who refuse to vote for Sanders if he gets the nomination, but many of the reverse. I'm so glad they're willing to sacrifice the lives of the rest of us to sooth their bruised egos.

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    1. Anonymous11:22 AM

      I still think a lot of those "Bernie or No One" people are GOP shills trying to stir up trouble. They know Trump can't hold a candle to Hillary.

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  15. Anonymous9:12 AM

    Two words: Supreme Court

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  16. Anonymous9:15 AM

    Once again, the electoral college will decide so voters can say and do whatever they like but it matters not.

    That being said, Trump would blow things up so spectacularly that we'd have no choice but to rethink EVERYTHING, so I do understand where Sarandon is coming from and maybe that's what America needs.

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    1. Anonymous9:43 AM

      Sarandon, with all her money, can survive that kind of explosion. Most people can't.

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    2. Anonymous10:25 AM

      Our votes determine who gets the delegates from the electoral college so your idea that we have no say is far from true. I prefer to vote BLUE no matter who is the nominee than even consider seeing our country ruined by an incompetent narcissist like Trump. Try reading his interviews from the NYT and WAPO where he talks about allowing Japan and North Korea to build nuclear weapons and removing our troops from the region. He is absolutely uninformed about the world around him despite is boasting otherwise.

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    3. Anonymous12:31 PM

      10:25am

      I don't care if other countries have nukes. Do you ever ask yourself why we and a few others should be the only countries "allowed" to have nukes?

      I'm not down with this whole "America as World Police" notion. I find it rather narcissistic way to run a country; why does the USA get to play "god of nations"?

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  17. Anonymous9:18 AM

    These same type of short-sighted idiots brought us Reagan and GWB. The Democratic party is not "left wing" enough for them, so they vote in right wing nutters. You just cannot make this stuff up.

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  18. Anonymous9:19 AM

    I agree. Felt the same way when I saw this yesterday.

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  19. ericafromdallas9:20 AM

    Gryphen, expressed my thoughts exactly.

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  20. Anonymous9:21 AM

    I hardly base my political opinions on what some Hollywood type, sports figure, or rock star think. I find them boorish.

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    1. Anonymous10:44 AM

      Really. Nobody should.

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  21. Anonymous9:21 AM

    Most of the Hillary supporters from 2008 ended up voting for Obama otherwise he would not have won.

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    1. Anonymous10:18 AM

      I was one of them. And I voted for him again in 2012.

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    2. Anonymous11:21 AM

      Me too!! Twice and proud of it. Now I'm all in for Hillary.

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  22. You know, I am still hoping that they will firm an alliance: a one-two punch that will bring about a blue landslide.

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  23. Anonymous9:25 AM

    "Hayes neglected to confront Sarandon over was her support in 2000 of third-party candidate Ralph Nader instead of then-Vice President Al Gore. The actress served as a co-chairwoman of his National Steering Committee the year that George W. Bush narrowly beat Gore, thanks to Nader’s status as spoiler for the Democrats."

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    1. Bush narrowly beat Gore because his brother was Governor of a state with a butt load of electrol points.

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    2. Anonymous11:20 AM

      But Nadar took a bunch of Florida votes, and that caused the whole issue to occur.

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    3. Anonymous11:44 AM

      Without Ralph Nader, the hanging chads and butterfly ballots wouldn't have mattered.

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    4. Anonymous12:27 PM

      If Al Gore could have won his home state of Tennessee then nothing in Florida would have mattered at all.

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    5. Anonymous1:09 PM

      12:27 - if Bush had never run, Nader would not have won, either.

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  24. When I saw the headline about Sarandon's remarks my first thought was dementia.

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    1. Anonymous9:43 AM


      Despite Endorsing Trump, Sarah Palin's PAC Fundraises Off Ted Cruz








      12:14 PM, Mar 29, 2016 | By Mark Hemingway



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      Per Weekly Standard:

      Sarah Palin endorsed Donald Trump for president in January, but in a clear sign that Trump isn't unifying the GOP, Sarah Palin's political action committee, SarahPAC, sent out a fundraising email today that doesn't mention Trump. Instead, the fundraising plea asks for money to help "elect new conservatives in 2016 like Rand Paul and Ted Cruz":

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    2. Anonymous11:56 AM

      Mine too, Liz.

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  25. Anonymous9:33 AM

    Agree totally Gryphen, she was sickening.

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  26. Anonymous9:35 AM

    You were always against Sanders voters. It's been obvious that you were shilling for Hillary.

    Dem voters will fall in line and vote for her if she is the nominee. I don't think independents will. Hillary is just not acceptable to independents. Compulsive Liar, Dishonest Person, the rules are for the little people, I am a Clinton, War Monger, Trade deal Cheerleader, Wall Street Stan, Flip Flops within same sentence.

    I wouldn't vote for her if she was running against Lucifer (I couldn't figure out which one was the real satan).

    It has nothing to do with Bernie I could vote for an acdeptable alternative candidate.

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    1. Anonymous10:27 AM

      Independent Bernie supporter here as well, and I wish he would have just ran as an Independent instead of throwing his hat into the ring with the Dems and many of us that support him are not and have never been Democrats.

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    2. Anonymous10:28 AM

      You sound like a very reasonable person.

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    3. Anonymous10:30 AM

      Then you're an idiot. Go vote for trump. Enjoy what you get, fool.

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    4. Anonymous11:19 AM

      Wow. You sure have the GOP hate points down pat. Bravo. Now go vote GOP, as you always intended to do. And suffer the consequences....

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    5. Anonymous11:44 AM

      I wish he had run as an Independent, too. At least that would have been honest. He's a liar; he's no Democrat. He's a party-crasher. But it's our country at stake.

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  27. Anonymous9:35 AM

    I was also shocked and disgusted by Sarandon's statements. She plummeted in my estimation. I hope others here are correct that Sanders supporters will for the most part support Hillary should she become the nominee, because to imagine that some future good would justify the obvious, immediate danger of a Trump presidency is just delusional. Wake up, the world is watching and we look like fucking idiots. Really, Ms. Sarandon? The revolution, my ass...

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  28. Anonymous9:35 AM

    Does anyone have a clear idea of how many voters are actually in this "Bernie or Bust" group?? Some of my friends (who like him) say it's a small minority, but I don't really know. What we don't need is for the Bernie camp and celebs like Sarandon to do the Republicans work for them in taking down Clinton.

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    1. Anonymous11:18 AM

      I think some of the Bernie or Bust crowd are GOP instigators.

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    2. Anonymous11:50 AM

      Not nearly as many as they'd like us to believe.

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  29. Anonymous9:41 AM

    I've seen two interviews with Sanders where he was asked, but failed, to clearly define Democratic Socialism. He said to think of Norway, that he was for healthcare for all and free college education, and 'I'm not a capitalist. He says he believes we need to change our economic system but hasn't explained what this would look like or what it means to be 'not a capitalist'. If he wins the Democratic nomination, the opposition will scare the shit out of our mostly center/center-right electorate and we'll likely have a GOP president and majority in both houses of Congress...and lose the gains made under Pres. Obama. And, no, there won't be a revolution so long as people have jobs and there's not a reinstatement of the draft for an unpopular and disastrous war. It's kind of infuriating that Sanders' supporters don't understand that the country is better off now than it was 8 years ago and that we need to solidify the gains and keep moving forward--that we need to strengthen the Democratic Party and make gains in all state and federal elections.

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  30. I support Sanders. I've supported Sanders for over 20 years. Without him the Democratic Party would continue it's drift towards moderate GOP/Democratic merger. While the government should be run generally from the center, that "center" has moved right. I generally support Clinton but her reinvention of a candidate to the left of Sanders is inauthentic. And insulting. Sanders has moved the discussion, for the better, to some of the overall issues of the day. Namely income inequality and the oligarchy running this country. While I will readily accept that Clinton is far better than the GOP clowns, I will not agree that she is some valiant knight for liberal values. She does support many of those issues, choice, equal pay, etc. She is also a product of the capitalist elite. And she will under no circumstances change that. And will increase intrusions into privacy, continue to support economic terrorism against countries not aligned with capitalism, and all the other things that continue to make my old party something I don't recognize.
    If you don't want to support Sanders, fine. If you don't like to tone of the campaign, fine, but place blame where it belongs. And if you are done with Sanders supporters because of what one or a few say, well, that's a bit over the top. After all, if I can tolerate Clinton supporters I would expect the same from people that generally have the same values as I have. Some of us are just a bit more passionate about them and a bit more disillusioned from our party's elite. PS: all of the Sanders supporters I know understand that he cannot win...but also know that's because of the rigged process in the party and the Superdelegates. We just like our concerns being front and center for a change.

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    1. Anonymous10:41 AM

      Brilliant, Frodo. Thank you.

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    2. Anonymous11:13 AM

      Well said. Clinton supporters who keep yelling "free college" are just like the Republicans screaming "free phones!". There is a lot more to Bernie's campaign-life long campaign, by the way-than free college. Hillary has so many people she needs to pay back that it must keep her up at night. She is beholden to the folks who own the prisons-why would she try to change the prison system? Her record as Secretary of State, regarding the women and children of other countries, is horrifying. Voting for her just because she'd be the first woman president is as stupid as voting for Bernie just because of free college. As for the rigged part-oh hell yeah. The head of the DNC is so far up Clinton's ass that it's pathetic. The way she tried to bury the debates was disgusting. She can thank herself for losing the mid terms, due to her complete lack of effort. And now Obama endorses her for re-election, calling her a progressive. This, in spite of her effort to support predatory lending practices along with the freakin' Republicans. Go ahead, people. Just buy into the idea that nothing can change. That will make damn sure that nothing ever does.

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    3. Anonymous11:17 AM

      So you always have an excuse, heh? He 'can't win' because the system is rigged? Please. he can't win because he can't beat the GOP. He'll be labelled Communist quicker than you can blink, and people will be out in droves for Trump so 'save America from Communism!' Has nothing to do with rigging the process. Please. If Dems were into rigging, Obama would have never been the nominee in 2008, would he?

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    4. Anonymous11:43 AM

      He can't win the nomination because he doesn't have the votes. It's that simple.

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    5. Anonymous11:47 AM

      He can't win because his campaign manager Tad Devine was one of the architects of the super delegate system. Bernie is a super delegate; he knows how it works. It's a fail safe. The GOP wishes they had the same system to stop Trump.

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    6. What Frodo said goes for me, too. also.

      Anyone but a republican in the oval office.

      Bernie has brought front and center a conversation this country needs to have; illustrate the merits, and examine the parts that don't work.

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  31. Anonymous10:01 AM

    Even though its a popular myth, I believe that research shows Nadar fans were evenly split between Dems and Repubs so that we can't assume Nadar fans lost the election for the DEMs I'd need to go look at which state's electoral college votes went for which candidate.
    I think those of us who support one candidate need to emphasize that if DEMs and independents don't vote, its the same as voting for Trump.

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    1. Anonymous10:42 AM

      Thank you, it is a myth. I was a conservative that voted Nader.

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    2. Anonymous11:15 AM

      Nadar lost Florida for Gore, and thus, the WH.

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    3. Anonymous12:03 PM

      Bullshit 11:15.

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  32. Caroll Thompson10:02 AM

    Sarandon seems to be a real left winger. And like the right wingers, there is no room for compromise. It's their way or the highway.

    As for the "revolution", the last time we had one we got Richard Nixon as the President. It didn't work out that well.

    Let the Republicans have the revolution (and with all the open carry crowd in Cleveland, it might be more like an armed insurrection). When the shooting starts in Cleveland, America can vote for the Democrats.

    Susan Sarandon does not serve Bernie well. Bernie has said he will support Hillary if she is the nominee. No way Bernie is going to support Donald Trump.

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  33. Anonymous10:06 AM

    god bless you Susan Sarandon...America cannot settle...

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    1. Anonymous11:14 AM

      Oh please. Without Congress, the President's hands are tied. And since Bernie has not been able to corral Congress in 30 years, why do you think he will suddenly get magical powers in the WH?

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    2. Anonymous11:18 AM

      The best is the enemy of the good - and you can then end up with horrible terrible.

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    3. Anonymous11:48 AM

      God bless Sysan Sarandon; her silly whack-a-doodleness has helped Hillary's campaign.

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    4. Anonymous12:23 PM

      11:14am

      Same with Hillary, she will be as hog tied by Congress as will Bernie, maybe even moreso because the entire Republican Caucus has it in for her, Benghazi witch hunt anyone? Email server, anyone?

      What do you think that these men and women who went after her for those two things are just going to drop their animosity against her and work with her?

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  34. Anonymous10:10 AM

    Susan Sarandon appeared on TV and said something that made Chris Hayes clutch his pearls and get the vapors.

    I wonder how outraged people would be if a Sanders spokesperson made a comment about how Hillary needs to change the tone of her campaign. People would be in the streets with pitchforks.

    All of this is clickbait.

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    1. Anonymous11:13 AM

      Already been done, son. The media (and now my own mother) calls Hillary 'shrill' every time she shows passion; while Trump and Sanders are what, 'manly' for raising their voices and their fists?

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    2. Anonymous12:21 PM

      Oh come on, no one can ignore the fact that Hillary does have a rather shrill and screechy tone to her voice, especially when she gets excited. You'd have to be deaf not to notice her high pitched and forceful tone.

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    3. Anonymous1:11 PM

      Everything makes Chris Hayes clutch his pearls.

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    4. Anonymous1:16 PM

      I don't have any problem with her voice, 12:21. Maybe you just don't like women unless they use their quiet voice.

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  35. Anonymous10:11 AM

    Where were all these supporters who wanted things to change in 2014 for the mid-terms? They weren't all ineligible to vote at that time. Did they all just wake up politically due to Sanders fantastic fairy tales about free college and universal health care with only a "small" increase in taxes? I love millenials with their positive outlook for the future but they also need to be more realistic. This is the reason why there are so many Bernie supporters out there. My son was telling me that his friends think he's crazy because he's supporting Hillary. He's 24 and is very aware of what is going on in politics and the world around us. He didn't start with this election as he said many of his friends did. He thinks that a lot of them have no idea what Sanders really is proposing or the fact that none of this will occur without a Congress that will work with him. He also said that it's a "follow your peers" attitude that has brought out so many in support of Sanders. He compares it to championship sporting events where people root for the home team yet often are clueless as to who the players are, how the game is actually played and what went on during the entire season. I think he hit the nail on the head with that one.

    I mentioned to a Sanders supporter that Bernie knows his universal healthcare plan is dead without minimum wage being increased to $15. She didn't believe me and said he'll never give up. I asked her why he didn't run for President during the last 30 years which is when he started talking about it. No answer. Why didn't he run in '12 when he wanted Obama primaried? Again, no answer. I asked her how she could believe he wasn't an establishment member when he'd been in Washington for 25 years. Then she said to me whatever he has done before this has no impact on what he's doing now, that his plans for now are the only thing that's important. So I asked her why she holds Clinton's vote for the Iraq war against her if that happened 14 years ago. Of course, she didn't acknowledge the hypocrisy or the fact that they vote alike 93% of the time. The reason why I bring this up is because she was telling other posters how well-informed she was and that is why she was able to confidently stand behind Sanders. Clueless, absolutely clueless!

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  36. Anonymous10:14 AM

    Speaking of supporting down ticket Democrats isn't that the job of these organizations:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_National_Committee
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Congressional_Campaign_Committee
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Senatorial_Campaign_Committee

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    1. Anonymous11:11 AM

      It is ALSO the job of the people at the top of the ticket, hon. And you know it. Stop making excuses for Bernie.

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    2. Anonymous12:09 PM

      Why hasn't Bernie been supporting other candidates like Hillary?
      Yeah, well he is going to because he only wants to use the DNC and not help the DNC.

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    3. Anonymous1:14 PM

      He doesn't think it's his responsibility for some reason.

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  37. Anonymous10:15 AM

    I do think that Sanders and Trump represent, to an extent, feelings of abandonment by our leadership. But clearly, Trump is appealing to our base instincts: hate, and compete. I think Bernie appeals to our civilized, thinking selves so there's clearly a better choice.
    The good thing about Bernie is he's pushing the dialog toward issues the Dem party needs to put front and center. We need to stop letting Tea Party-ers define the questions we ask ourselves.
    That said, Repubs are very every experienced red-baiters, and will go full throtle after Bernie's socialism and jewish heritage. Hilary, on the other hand, has survived attacks for years--she's going to be able to give as good as she gets.
    Yes, Susan Sarandon is just an actress and her opinions don't carry any weight with me. But what's important is that she's getting air time and isn't attacking Trump. not good.

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    1. Anonymous12:58 PM

      Good points! I think you're right about the GOP red-baiting and think it would be effective.

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    2. Anonymous1:36 PM

      sorry about the typos.
      edit: hate and complete > hate.

      very every> very, very

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  38. Anonymous10:27 AM

    Bernie Sanders is a smart old stale cookie. By switching parties again and running on the Democratic ticket this year for POTUS, Bernie Sanders will get the young college kids across the nation voting for him because they think they will get free college, Bernie will get the people who are socialists like himself and he get his past independent followers voting for him.

    When Hillary Clinton wins, they will all pout, cry foul, stay home and not vote.

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    1. Anonymous10:58 AM

      Bernie has always caucused with the Democrats in congress. If you think that the only reason people are backing him is for free college, you need to listen to one of his speeches. I'm certainly no college kid, but I'm sick of all politicians bending over for the wealthy donors and the criminals on Wall Street. And if you don't think Hillary is bought and paid for, again, you're just not paying attention.

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    2. Anonymous11:10 AM

      I do hope all those 'free college' people will check out how much more in taxes their folks will be paying for that 'free college' before they throw their hissyfits.

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      @ anon 11:10 am
      I hope those "free stuff" people see what happens to their own taxes, for the first time in decades they will actually be paying taxes and not getting it back.

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  39. Anonymous10:29 AM

    How cute, Bernie Sanders when he was a young' un.

    https://youtu.be/I4MiTlQPAiY

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  40. Anonymous10:29 AM

    I'm a candidate-less Republican who will vote for either Bernie or Hillary when the time comes, even though I wish there was a decent Republican on offer. I am definitely not a socialist, so I'd prefer Hillary, but I'm against her being guarenteed the Presidency, so I'm excited about what Bernie is doing.
    Gryphen, if Bernie actually does get the nomination, which he won't, will you vote for him to stop Trump or Cruz? Or will you sit it out?

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  41. Anonymous10:32 AM

    I support Bernie only because he has brought forward important issues but I always knew he has no chance of getting the nomination. I would actually be horrified if he did; that would surely result in the republican nominee being our next president. I hope there are enough Sanders supporters that think like me and are ready to support Hillary when the time comes.

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    1. Anonymous10:52 AM

      ABSOLUTELY.

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  42. Anonymous10:37 AM

    DAMN IT! CAN'T WE ALL GET ALONG?

    Trump aide charged with misdemeanor battery vs. ex-Breitbart reporter
    1:28 p.m. March 29 by Lulu Ramadan / Palm Beach Post Staff Writer


    JUPITER UPDATE, 1:30 p.m.: Jupiter Police Chief Frank Kitzerow told The Palm Beach Post this morning that Corey Lewandowski, Donald Trump’s campaign manager, was released with a notice to appear in court after he turned himself in this morning at the Jupiter Police Department.
    Lewandowski is scheduled to appear May 4 in Palm Beach County Circuit Court.

    .... ORIGINAL STORY: Corey Lewandowski, Donald Trump campaign manager, was charged this morning with misdemeanor battery after allegations of forcefully grabbing a reporter at a Jupiter news conference, town police confirmed this morning.
    Following a March 8 conference at Trump National Golf Club, Michelle Fields, a 28-year-old reporter formerly with the online Breitbart News Network, said she was grabbed on the arm by Lewandowski, 41, after she asked Trump a question about affirmative action.
    Washington Post reporter Ben Terris wrote that he witnessed the battery.
    Jupiter police later said they were looking into the incident after Fields filed a report, although investigators had not named Lewandowski.
    Lewandowski turned himself in to Jupiter police just after 8 a.m., according to a police report.
    Surveillance footage captured at Trump National, off Donald Ross Road, corroborates Fields’ claim, the arrest report says.
    Fields, who Tweeted photos of bruises on her arm she said resulted from the battery, resigned Breitbart less than a week after the incident. She cited Breitbart’s refusal to stand behind her amid the allegations as her reason for leaving.
    Lewandowski replied to Fields’ Tweet, writing: “You are totally delusional. I never touched you. As a matter of fact, I have never even met you.”
    Ben Shapiro, former Breitbart editor-at-large, also resigned, claiming in a prepared statement that the conservative news outlet, seen largely as supportive of Trump’s presidential bid, “abandoned” Fields “in order to protect Trump’s bully campaign manager.”
    Several other employees followed suit in the following weeks and resigned, according to multiple reports.

    Read more at
    http://m.palmbeachpost.com/news/news/local/trump-aide-charged-with-misdemeanor-battery-on-ex-/nqtkY/

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    1. Anonymous11:09 AM

      Heard on NPR that the Trump troops are 'denying this ever happened." Right-the videos are fake.

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  43. Anonymous10:42 AM

    Get real Gryph. You have hardly been able to contain your total displeasure and dislike of Sanders this entire cycle. You have just been itching for something to finally allow you to blow your flood gates open that could provide you cover, and it happened to be this.

    Frankly, I think it is embarrassing that you are so easily fall into line for the establishment corporate lap dog while claiming to be a liberal Democrat. The pragmatist fallback doesn't cut it.

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    1. Anonymous10:59 AM

      Maybe he just thinks she's a better, more knowledgeable candidate and a more qualified leader? I know I do. I think it's embarrassing that you so easily fall in line with Bernie's "revolutionary" schtick like all the kiddos. If any of those things he's promising would ever happen, Bernie's not the one who could get it done.

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    2. Anonymous11:08 AM

      Why should you be embarrassed? It's Gryphen's blog.

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    3. Anonymous11:26 AM

      It is embarrasing that you think I am a Bernie supporter 10:59, cause I'm not. I'm not planning on voting for any of these hacks. But when Trump beats Hillary in November... will you remember how you treated all the Bernie supporters?

      11:08, it is a common phrase to be embarrased for someones over their actions or hypocrisy, although it is likely you are being purposely obtuse.

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    4. Anonymous11:41 AM

      Trump won't beat Clinton.

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    5. Anonymous12:05 PM

      Trump can't beat Clinton. And Trump can't take any of the southern states over Clinton, the former First Lady of Arkansas and the former First Lady of the USA will walk away with that southern vote handedly.
      Now Bernie against tRump...trump walks away with the southern vote and the election.

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    6. Anonymous1:00 PM

      Clinton has an indictment looming over her head.

      FBI interviews are about to begin.

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    7. Anonymous1:13 PM

      Nothing is going to happen with the FBI. Why? Because her husband is a past President and he used the same server. No one else is in that same circumstance.

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    8. Anonymous1:13 PM

      And our resident Republican weighs in at 1:00.

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    9. Anonymous1:20 PM

      What does her being married to a former president have to do with breaking the law?

      Sorry 1:13, not a repub. But Hillary broke many laws, and the FBI is tightening up their case.

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  44. For those asking, of course I will vote for the Democratic nominee even if Hillary is not chosen, what have I been saying all of this time?

    Please try to keep up.

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    1. Anonymous11:06 AM

      I don't care if Gryphen votes for a slapped ass. This forum has checked Palin's progress. McCain and Palin could have won based upon Trump and Palin's estimate of their base. Further, Palin is in Gryphen's backyard, which is dangerous for him. Small towns have a nasty side. I believe that Gryphen saved us by putting a face to the candidate.

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  45. Anonymous10:45 AM

    Yeah, remember when Nader voters wouldn't get off their high horse to unite for Gore. They helped to bring us the
    W and Dick Show.

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    1. Anonymous11:36 AM

      Yep.

      And I've been surprised not to hear a peep out of Nader this election, which I expected at least before Bernie entered the race. My husband told me Ralph had died, but such is not the case.

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      10:45am

      Gore couldn't even carry his home state of Tennessee. That could have won him the necessary electorals to win. That would have negated the importance of the Florida vote and neutered the Nader argument.

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  46. Anonymous10:46 AM

    She's an idiot!

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  47. Anonymous10:50 AM

    Gryph, so will i. Democrat across the board.

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  48. Anonymous10:50 AM

    Not a Bernie supporter.
    Someone is posting for Sarah.

    'Here's a sample of yesterday's email from this true American patriot who's fed up with politics-as-usual, and he's doing something about it!'
    https://www.facebook.com/sarahpalin/posts/10154091124368588

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  49. No Susan Sarandon will not support Donald Trump, what she was saying was "people feel." The right and the left are responding to the same issues in this country and want changes, I am sure her answers were designed to prevent alienation of the right. Alaska is a red state with 82% and so far 1 superdelegate for Bernie, Idaho is red with 78% and 2 superdelegates for Bernie. These percentages and advances towards delegates are from RED STATES, in many ways the red states are leading the way which is one reason why I am so fascinated by this whole process right now. Rather than alienate conservatives who are looking for a sane candidate she is showing empathy for their feelings and motivations. She was trying not to disrespect conservatives. sanityhttps://www.thewrap.com/susan-sarandon-calls-donald-trump-the-drunk-uncle-at-your-wedding-whos-normalized-racism-video/

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    1. I forgot one of the western red states, Utah Democratic Party chairman Peter Corroon, gave his superdelegate vote for Sanders, Sanders won Utah 79.3.


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    2. Anonymous11:51 AM

      BS - she knew what she was inferring. What a phony she is.

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    3. Anonymous12:00 PM

      So, Sarandon is pandering to conservative?

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    4. Anonymous12:11 PM

      Why would a die hard progressive like Susan Sarandon care about alienating conservatives?

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  50. Anonymous11:07 AM

    I truly believe that the 'upset' in Michigan was due to our open primary, and GOP voters choosing Bernie in an attempt to stop Hillary. Every time one of them gets in a forum and says ,"Well, NY looks bad, but look at Michigan!" I tell them that. You know the GOP knows Trump will be knocked out before the vote by Hillary, but he has a chance against Bernie, because they are going to label him a Communist, and he will not be able to shake that. Hillary, folks.

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  51. Anonymous11:09 AM

    I always thought your commenters were a cut above in the intelligence department. But yeah, some of them don't read so gud.

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    1. Anonymous1:37 PM

      I used to believe that too, until the threads about Bristol Palin and her baby.

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  52. Anonymous11:10 AM

    I don't like Hillary. I am a Bernie supporter and will vote for him in my state's primary election the end of this month.
    However, come November, I will be voting for the Democratic nominee, be it Bernie or Hillary.
    To stay home and not support the Democrat would be like voting for Trump or Cruz. And I could never do that.
    Sometimes you vote for the person you want, and sometimes you vote for the team you want.
    D to go forward, R to go backwards.

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      There is only one Democrat running and I have not heard a word from Bernie that he is ready and willing to support the Democratic platform.

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  53. Anonymous11:15 AM

    Look at Bristol Palin's instagram picture with Trig and Tripp. I used to be in the camp that Sarah is Trig's birth mother but now I'm having second thoughts because Bristol has been Trig's caregiver and the one who shows affection towards Trig. I think Bristol is Trig's birth mother and Sarah is tired of the Wild Ride charade.

    https://www.instagram.com/p/BDenld2y9s-/?hl=en

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    1. Anonymous11:52 AM

      What took you so long?

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  54. Anonymous11:23 AM

    I am thankful everyday that Bernie Sanders is running and giving voice to the causes I care about. For the first time in a long time, the conversation on the left is about issues the left actually cares deeply about. If his entry into this race does nothing more than to force Hillary to reexamine her positions and understand there are many people further left of her agenda, then this campaign has been a success. I will vote for whomever gets the nom, but I hope Hillary takes to heart what Bernie has been supporting that has captured the excitement and loyalty of his supporters.
    Nothing to get riled up about, we all want the same things....

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  55. Anonymous11:29 AM

    I Can't stand Susan Sarandon. I am a bleeding heart liberal and proud of it but she is tinfoil hat wearer.When they were having the turmoil in 2000 between Bush and Gore she said (I'm not kidding) My Mother says it isn't rocket science to vote like her mother was some kind of expert. She'd (Saranadon) voted for Nader.
    Some of these Bernie bots are as crazy as the tea party.You should read the things that are so wrong about Hillary,like how she is against a women's right to choose. When you point out she was endorsed by Planned Parenthood they say she paid them off. They come up with absolutely insane Wrong information and refuse to even verify what they are saying.They are so misinformed and proud of it.

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    1. Anonymous11:57 AM

      And yet Bernie hasn't spoken a word to support PP or a woman's right to chose. It almost makes me wish that Bernie gets in and all those young people lose the right to not only abortion, but to access birth control. I've lived before we had those rights and was part of the "revolution" to get those rights but Bernie and his supporters seem so used to those rights that they can't comprehend what is happening to women's rights or they just don't care.

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    2. Anonymous12:12 PM

      He's already said that Planned Parenthood is part of the establishment.

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    3. Anonymous12:15 PM

      To Bernie, everything else pales in comparison to economic disparity. He has tunnel vision. I'm sure he cares about reproductive rights, but he gets annoyed when anyone wants to talk about them. I guess he thinks that if we have more economic equality, sexism and racism will magically disappear.

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  56. Anonymous11:33 AM

    Jane Sanders might become the first lady to a president who is giving away free college for votes.

    Bernie can you tell us why Jane O'Meara Sanders was fired as president of Burlington College that has a student enrollment of 200? Don't say your wife resigned, the faculty, students and college trustees were upset at your wife and the college gave your wife $200,000 to resign. Who gets $200,000 to resign?

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    1. Anonymous11:54 AM

      Bernie's "free stuff" will go nowhere and everyone knows that but the Bernie Bros.
      As for his wife, it seems something really shady was covered up.

      BTW What I am curious about is how did Bernie support his child when he was unemployed and not involved for all those yrs the child was growing up? Did the welfare system support his child because he was too lazy to work for 17 yrs?

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    2. There is a difference between campaigning that you believe students should get free tuition and a promise to work towards that end and giving away tuition for free votes, Yuge difference. When there is a $200,000 severance package that kind of means there was some wrongdoing on the part of someone besides the receiver of the money.

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  57. Anonymous11:39 AM

    Hillary Clinton maintains her word she will run a clean campaign against Democratic presidential candidates.

    How come Bernie Sanders is starting to run negative adds against Hillary Clinton when he said he was going to run a clean campaign?

    How come Trump runs a negative campaign against Hillary Clinton and not against Bernie Sanders?

    Makes you think hmmmm

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    1. Raz Lemons12:04 PM

      You don't think being referred to as " The Communist " is negative ? and the Trump videos I've seen praise her quite a bit that does indeed make me go hmmm ? Here let me offer a challenge, show me one difference between the decisions made by Neo Cons and those made by Hillary ? They are two peas in a pod .

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    2. Anonymous1:11 PM

      Raz is right.

      The neocons fight for equal pay, women's health, reproductive rights, paid family leave, affordable health care, affordable child care, and gun control.

      Just like Clinton.

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  58. Anonymous11:51 AM

    As someone who's 1st vote for President was McGovern. I find Sen. Sanders meets my criteria in comparision to Clinton. I hope he wins, it will be the 2nd time the candidate I like gets elected. The first is our current President

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  59. Anonymous12:00 PM

    "By the end I had decided that I was simply done with Bernie Sanders"

    Sooo.. If Bernie wins the nomination you're just going to take your ball and go home huh Gryph. How perfectly hypocritical of you. He would carry Alaska in the general by a wide margin even without your vote, whereas Hillary loses to Drumpf 3-1. Alaska could go blue... Yay.. Well except for Hillary and her pantsuit pansy ass supporters. Keep Alaska red for another 4 years Billary. Oh joy

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      There is no if, Sanders will never win the nomination start getting used to the idea.

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    2. Anonymous1:05 PM

      Wtf is wrong with you?

      Do you think Sanders would support a phrase like pantsuit pansy ass?

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    3. Anonymous1:33 PM

      And you are exactly why people don't like your candidate. Now run upstairs from the basement ad ask your Mommy if your lunch is ready yet.

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  60. Acronim12:27 PM

    Just goes to show , not all celebrities have the smarts ... and are pretty militant in thinking over one or two issues that matter to them . They dont see the big picture , or any picture for that matter , other than their own narrow thought process . These celebs wield power through the media , but clearly are not good ambassadors of inclusive unity thought processes.

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  61. Anonymous12:32 PM

    Anyone who listens to what a celebrity has to say, about anything, needs a reality check.

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  62. Anonymous12:37 PM

    I'm not for or against Sanders...BUT celebrity opinions are just that. Who in their right mind is actually influenced by what a celebrity says about politics?

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  63. Anonymous12:38 PM

    Interestingly Sarandon is a part of the 1%.

    I was a '60's war protester. I'm a socialist at heart, but I'm a pragmatist in the pocketbook.

    When Bernie comes up with a foolproof plan to FUND all of pie in the sky ideas, I'm with him. Like raising taxes on the ultra rich and corporations who have been ripping the country off for decades, and lowering the taxes for the middle and lower economic levels.

    Unfortunately Bernie would have to run all of it through congress. If you think Obama had a rough time doing that, wait for them to sandbag Sanders.

    I like his ideas, but they are just ideas with no way to facilitate them. Sounds a lot like dRUMPf and his bluster.

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    1. Anonymous1:03 PM

      Very good comment.

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    2. Anonymous1:15 PM

      Exactly!

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    3. Anonymous1:20 PM

      Not if we also elect people tthat will pass shit in Congress.
      Duh!

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  64. Anonymous1:09 PM

    Sanders is on the Ron Paul retirement plan. Screw him.

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    1. Anonymous1:31 PM

      Exactly.

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  65. Anonymous1:24 PM

    Sanders is Trump in DEM clothing.

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  66. Anonymous1:33 PM

    I'm with you, Gryphen. But every once in a while I get the urge to take a match and blow the whole fucking place up by voting for Trump. It's starting to feel like that would be just desserts for allowing this megalomaniac, narcissistic no nothing buffoon to have such a voice in this country. It disgusts me.

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