Bernie Sanders has dubbed his presidential campaign a “political revolution,” but some of his supporters are rebelling against the very party he is hoping to lead.
A voluble group of die-hard Sanders backers is vowing online that it’s “Bernie or Bust,” saying they will never support his presidential primary opponent — and, at this point, likely Democratic nominee — Hillary Clinton.
Despite these glimmers of reconciliation with his rival, Sanders may have unleashed a rebellion that will be beyond his power to control when it comes time to unify the party. Some “Bernie or Bust” stalwarts say they won’t back Clinton even if Sanders joins her ticket.
Now see this is why I have a problem taking many of Bernie's supporters seriously.
Hillary supporters are going to vote for the Democratic nominee, even if it is not their candidate, because that is what grownups do.
I mentioned that I spoke to a couple of Sanders supporters at the caucus in Anchorage yesterday.
All of them, including the guy too stoned to talk to me, admitted that this was the first time that they had been politically engaged.
When I asked them why they supported Bernie they essentially rattled off a laundry list of policy positions, most of which Hillary also shares with Sanders.
However it became pretty clear that these folks ONLY wanted to vote for Bernie, and really did not care about any Democrats down ticket who would also benefit from their support.
Sanders is NOT attracting new Democrats to help elect a Democratic majority to take back control of the House and the Senate from the Republicans, while also retaining control of the White House.
For the most part he is attracting young anarchists who really just want to see the entire system upended so that they can see a new, more socialist form of government take its place.
I am not sure how that really helps any of us moving forward.
I am going to include this article from Investor's Business Daily here at the bottom for you to read.
I want to say upfront that I consider it a hit piece on Sanders and should be read with that thought in mind, however it also brings up a number of points that will surely be used in political attacks against Sanders if he were to win the nomination.
Ten years from now, many of these guys will be voting Republican and telling young voters to "get a job!"
ReplyDeleteMaybe they are already republicans who back Bernie just to mess with Sec.Clinton.
DeleteRemember how the wingnuts pushed Clinton in the last election? Think Limbaugh
It's obvious they are not Democrats. They are probably Repub plants. They want Sanders to win nomination because they think he is the least likely to win the general.
DeleteREAL Democrats want to win, and will support WHOEVER is the nominee.
These people come out of the woodwork every four years thinking their one vote will magically change everything if their candidate wins, and then don't bother to vote in local, state and midterm elections.
DeleteI think Trump wants to use his power in saudi Arabia as president to leverage ability to build hotels. We won't buy your oil if Trump Inc. doesn't get something out of it. I am afraid that this is how he will exploit his power everywhere in the world. On my tax dollar.
ReplyDeleteIt appears that the folks supporting Bernie are missing one big thing that has been discussed, but seems to be ignored by his followers -
ReplyDeleteAll the social things Bernie wants to start a revolution over will cost substantial bucks that will increase taxes paid by all Americans!
Plus, he is dividing the Democratic party! His speeches are getting old and are repeated continuously. He truthfully bores me and I only tune in to him once in awhile.
I have also noted that he gets far more media coverage than does Hillary. In fact, the media spends the majority of their time tearing down Hillary (MSNBC is a good example!) There has been nothing negative put out there by the media concerning Bernie. Just doesn't seem quite fair to me!
He'll be shifting tax dollars from subsidies for for instance big pharma, Wall St. Etc. to pay for programs that benefit the taxpayers.
DeleteYou must be mistaken. Everyone knows there is no such thing as the misogynist "Bernie Bros". Everyone knows it is a conspiracy by the Clinton campaign. /s
ReplyDeleteYep, if it's not President Obama's fault it has to be Hillary's :)
DeleteLet's not forget Geraldine Ferraro and the PUMAs from Hillary's 2007 primary.
ReplyDelete@Anonymous 12:22 PM
DeleteLet's not forget Geraldine Ferraro and the PUMAs from Hillary's 2007 primary.
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Exactly. They were so bigoted towards candidate Obama. And said they would not vote for him if he won the nomination against Hilary.
I lost any respect for Geraldine Ferraro that I ever had.
The PUMAS are racists.
The PUMAS were a disgusting little coalition who went on to support Sarah fucking Palin!
DeleteIt does remind me a little of the small but vocal group of sanders supporters who say they will vote for Trump if Sanders doesn't get the nom.
The Investor's article is a bunch of bullshit. I'd believe the WSJ or a quote from Peggy Noonan before I'd give IBD credit.
ReplyDeleteWhat part is not true?
DeleteGryphen is making the point that this is the kind of thing the Repubs will throw at Sanders in the general election, regardless of whether or not (or how much) it is true.
DeleteHillary is more likely to start WWIII than Trumpf. She is a proven war monger. When Hillary gets $300K for a Wall Street/Big Bank speech it means I get .025% on my money @ the bank. read:
ReplyDeletehttp://www.latimes.com/opinion/editorials/la-ed-trump-neutral-broker-20160323-story.html
That is just the most ioditic comment.
DeletePeople were too stupid to heed the warnings of not voting for Al Gore in 2000. You can rationalize it all you want and say that Al Gore lost his own election. People voted on emotion. After all, W seemed like a good guy with whom to have a beer. How much damage could he do?
Well now we know what happens when people vote for the dumb, charismatic candidate. And it looks like we haven't learned our lesson.
Fuc_k You
DeleteYou heard it here, folks!
DeleteDonald Trump is better than Hillary Clinton!!
(eyeroll)
I urge everyone to find out how much your taxes will increase under President Bernie: http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2016/3/25/11293258/tax-plan-calculator-2016
DeleteWhat's that sound? That's the sound of you sucking all the intelligence out of the room.
Delete@London Bridges 12:36 PM
DeleteI don't believe Hillary is a warmonger. Hillary has been talking tough just to let the men know she is just as tough as ANY man. But I don't think she is reckless and will start a war.
Anyone that tries to pretend- as Sanders did- that Hillary Clinton is raising all that money for herself... well they're just a dick, aren't they?
DeleteSANDERS is the one raising every cent for himself working AGAINST Democrats.
Screw him, his time has long passed, he just woke up one day and realized he is a very old man that has achieved zip... and he's way too late.
Revolution, my arse.
Donald Trump doesn't really want to be POTUS, he wants to be worshiped and idolized like a Kardashian.
Delete@anon 1:26 pm
DeleteI agree with you except for one thing, he isn't doing it by himself, he is using the Democratic party to screw the Democratic party.
That's okay, if Bernie gets the nod I'm sitting out. Sorry, but I have only voted for Democratic candidates my whole life and if there isn't a Democrat running I decided I am not voting.
ReplyDeleteThen you're as big an idiot as any of these Bernie or Bust schmucks. (or maybe you're just trolling)
DeletePlease don't sit out the election. We are better off with Bernie or Hillary than we are with ANY of the Repubs.
DeletePlease don't cut off your nose to spite your face, the repercussions would be devastating for our country.
I will vote down ballot no matter what. However, the nominee is going to be HRC. She's been part of the Democrats for decades and has earned her turn at the nomination, fair and square. By the primary's end, she will have won the popular vote and the delegate votes. The Super Delegates are just icing on the cake.
Delete@ anon 12:58pm
DeleteListen, I'll vote for a Democrat but there is only one, that is Hillary. Personally I'm just tired, maybe too tired, to fight again for reproductive rights etc.
I can just move to Canada as a dual citizen and my husband has said that it's about time to join 5 out of 6 of our kids that already made that transition.
But I will not vote for someone that should not have been allowed to run under the DNC banner that isn't even a Democrat.
@Anonymous 12:39 PM
DeleteFirst of all there are more than just the presidency on a ballot, there are other seats to fill in the Congress. Local seats, and state seats. Initiatives, and propositions to vote on.
Secondly, by sitting out an election because you candidate did not win the nomination is childless and reckless. You might as well vote for Trump or Cruz, because in essence that will be what you will be doing.
I just hate it when adults act like you, balk when you do not get their way, or your candidate is not chosen in the primary. Please be an ADULT, and vote for the party REGARDLESS who gets the nod to run in the general.
This is why Democrats lost the House and the Senate, because the Democratic electorate tends to be immature and childish, balking and sitting out elections when they do not get their way.
ONE CANDIDATE IS NOT THE WHOLE PARTY. If your candidate does not get the nod, support the party and vote for the candidate who does get the nod.
Even a sorry Democratic candidate is better than ANY Repub.
So GROW-UP!
@ 1:14 pm
DeleteFuck off. I can vote or not vote as I see fit.
BTW Bernie is not and never has been a democrat.
@Anonymous 2:00 PM
DeleteThis is Anonymous 1:14 PM
@ 1:14 pm
Fuck off. I can vote or not vote as I see fit.
BTW Bernie is not and never has been a democrat.
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1. I am sorry your language skills are so poor that you have to resort to using the eff word.
2. I was just telling it like it is. Too bad for you the truth hurts. I can tell it got to you, by the gutter language you used.
3. I still say people like you are the reason the Repubs. control the Senate and the House, and the reason most U.S. states have Repub. governors. People you (childish and reckless) are the reason the Dems lose elections. You balk when your candidate does not win, and you bite off your nose to spite your face. I WILL SAY IT AGAIN, IT IS CHILDISH AND RECKLESS.
4. Bernie is running under the Democratic banner just like Hillary, so no matter which one gets the nod, they are better than ANY Repub.
5. For a Dem. to be childish and sit out an election, they are in essence voting for the Repub. who is running.
Read it:
ReplyDeletehttp://observer.com/2016/03/the-countless-failings-of-the-dnc/
Are you Anonymous12:30 PM who said "The Investor's article is a bunch of bullshit."?
DeleteI am not a fan of Debbie Wasserman Schulz but I am no longer a Bernie fan, either.
DeleteAnd these idiots will do the same thing the firebaggers did to Obama in 2010 once their magic grandpa can't deliver what he promised. He will lose the house and the senate AND will not be able to win the presidency in 2020. You heard it here first. Sanders may win in 2016 but we will lose EVERYTHING by 2020. The Bernie bros are too fucking stupid to look farther ahead than their next porn download.
ReplyDeleteGive me practical solutions to problems not pie-in-the-sky bullshit.
+1
DeleteLet them sit this one out and then get the government they deserve with Trump at the helm.
ReplyDeleteHillary's supporters came on board with Obama in 2008 after she lost in the primary. If they had not done that McCain would have been POTUS with Sarah Palin as his VP. I still get shudders thinking about that possible outcome and it's 8 years later.
If they sit out if Bernie loses and Trump wins the general election, will they ever forgive themselves? I think not. They need to grow up and vote as responsible adults
"Let them sit this one out and then get the government they deserve with Trump at the helm."
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The problem is everyone else will end up with that government also.
"If they sit out if Bernie loses and Trump wins the general election, will they ever forgive themselves?"
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They won't need to forgive themselves because they won't blame themselves. They will blame the media, "the establishment", and anyone else they can think of for stealing Bernie's rightful coronation and his guaranteed win in the general.
Who cares? We don't need them!
ReplyDeleteAgreed. They can take their balls and go home!
DeleteI am seeing a lot of negative comments elsewhere about Hillary, and I think they are trolls. The GOP WANTS Bernie, because they will unleash the 'commie' ads and people will fall all over themselves to vote for Slimy Cruz or the Egomaniac. They'd best be careful and think. What the heck has Bernie accomplished in Congress in 25 years? WHY do they think that if he's in the Oval Office, he will suddenly wave a magic wand and fix their world? Ain't gonna happen folks. Change takes time. And the revolution they think they are getting will not happen in four years, or 8. Meanwhile, if they turn their back on the DNC, and refuse to vote, then the GOP maintains the House and we need the House and Senate to get anything done at all. Grow up, Bernie supporters. Read some history. And stop trashing Hillary for no reason but spite.
ReplyDeleteBernie has shown us that it truly is possible to mount a Presidential campaign without money from millionaires, billionaires, or corporations. If Hillary were doing this, I might be supporting her instead, but there is another huge problem with her: she leans toward war. I personally think she is trying to prove that a woman can be just as hawkish as a man, since the Republicans would certainly lay into her for being too much of a dove if she held Bernie's more pacifist views. I am just done, done, done with big money ruling policy in this country, and I am even more done with perpetual war. Bernie's policies match my own. I am not an anarchist, but I do believe that socialist policies are not inherently bad when socialist leaders are elected by the people. To the contrary, socialist policies are needed more than ever as we use up the resources of this country. We have to share and get along to solve the big problems of the world--global warming, war, poverty. America is no longer full of boundless resources that we can exploit in our capitalist fervor, expanding income disparity even more, without doing serious damage to the earth. Bernie's vision is the vision we all need to have, even if you personally don't like him. Hillary is starting to understand this, as she leans more and more left toward Bernie's positions, and other Democrats really need to do the same. That said, I will support Hillary if I must, but I fully understand why some people don't want to. Many will come around if she's the nominee, but many Bernie supporters may just sit this election out, just as many Republican voters will if Trump is their nominee.
ReplyDeleteAnd just so you understand that many staunch Democrats will sit the election out if Bernie the commie is given the nod.
DeleteNo, "many" will not.
DeleteAnonymous 1:12 PM, support for Bernie is like a snow ball rolling downhill getting bigger and bigger right now. You sound like a Republican with the commie crap. People who don't normally participate in the political process are involved due to Bernie, young people are involved and independents are where most of the voters are coming from. The voters for Bernie who belong to the Democrats only represent part of his supporters in Alaska.
DeleteBernie's vision is all it is - a vision. He absolutely does not have the leadership to achieve it.
DeleteI agree with you. I've voted ever since I turned 18, but I guess if we don't agree with everyone else then we're labeled anarchists. I am well aware that we will have to have taxes raised and if that's what needs to be done.. so be it.
Delete@1:54 pm
DeleteI highly doubt you pay taxes, you are most likely in the 50% of the people in this country that don't pay any at all.
And as for who is sending Bernie money there is only one in my large, extended family. She was sooo smart she sent him her rent money and then thought that her aunt (me) would bail her out, it didn't happen. I told her to contact Bernie's campaign and get some "free" money back from them or to spend her dope money on rent and go without that for a month.
1:12 so in other words the Bernie Bros aren't the only ones throwing a petulant tantrum. Good job.
DeleteMy husband and I make 6 figures. We are not against paying more taxes to fund infrastructure, education, and social programs. A lot of people, unfortunately, feel differently.
DeleteAnonymous1:54 PM,
DeleteI don't necessarily mind paying more taxes, but in order to pay for everying that Bernie is promising, we would need to be at the taxation level of Sweden. How much more would you be willing pay for his vision?
I would pay a lot for socialized medicine and probably it would end up being less of the income I now pay for health insurance that doesn't pay for much of the care I get becauae it ia alternative and becauae deductibles are so high.
Delete@ anon 3:58 pm
DeleteAre you ready for everyone, regardless of income to start paying 30%? If so, that's g=fine because it would be a cut from what I am paying now. That is the only way you are getting anything is to pay taxes and that means someone besides the upper middle class and up has to pay.
Anon at 3:55 pm. I support Hillary Clinton in this election in part because I do not think that the American people, in general, are willing to pay higher taxes which would be necessary to achieve any of what Bernie Sanders is talking about. And he rarely, if ever, talks about the costs involved in what he would want to accomplish. Maybe he has a magic wand.
DeleteThe attitude of most Americans is a result of decades of GOP and media badgering and misinformation. When in control at every level, the GOP has deliberately starved government bodies.
Would that we all were as smart as the Scandinavians who know that they pay high taxes but also know that they get what they pay for. It is little wonder that Denmark has again been listed as the "happiest" country in the world. When we were there two years ago, a young man who was working in a museum cafeteria told us that he had spent some time in Milwaukee and could not understand why Americans were so unwilling to pay more in taxes in order to have better benefits, like health care and educational opportunities. He said that taxes were high in Denmark but so were benefits, benefits to everyone.
Beaglemom
Thank you for a thoughtful post without all the hateful rhetoric. Some of the people posting here need to chill out. My god I just can't get over how rabid and viscous some people are towards other people that, like you said, share many of the same ideals.
DeleteYou are completely correct, Gryph. The grownups in the Democratic party support Hillary. I support Hillary but I will vote for Sanders if he wins the nomination. I think he's essentially a goody guy, but I think Hillary is more widened and realistic and will make a better President. She, like Obama, realizes it's going to take baby steps to make our country better.
ReplyDeleteHubby and I, ages 70 and 64, have voted for whichever Dem could win for decades. It looks we can finally vote for who we want, Bernie, who is not more of the same, instead. Polls show that Bernie can beat Trump.
Delete@ 5:32 pm
DeleteBernie isn't a Democrat, leave the party and take your fake candidate with you.
@ 6:17
DeleteI figure you must be a Drumpfer Only fascists talk about party purity.
One thing that you're quite wrong about, Sanders Supporters are legion, not just our BernieBro division. I my caucus youth was the minority, we destroyed HRC!
ReplyDelete6 wins in 6 days, Go Bernie!
Only an immature idiot would gleefully talk about "destroying" the other democratic candidate.
DeleteBernie can't win anything with just the white vote.
DeleteHillary IS a neocon and part of the Bush-Clinton-Cheney crime family. Cheney loves her! http://www.opednews.com/articles/1/Coleen-Rowley--HRC-is-a-N-by-Joan-Brunwasser-American-Foreign-Policy_Bernie-Sanders-Presidential-Campaign_Coleen-Rowley_Deceit-160327-477.html
ReplyDeleteHillary Clinton is NOT a neocon.
DeleteIn the end, these are the same people who don't vote anyway. If they did, democrats would control congress.
ReplyDeletethis has a lot more to do with Gerrymandering than reality and repub control of state legislatures
DeleteI see you do not dispute that these people don't reliably vote. Some revolution -NOT!
DeleteI'm not convinced that 'the Bernie Brothers' exist. Or, what is seemingly Bernie supporters are some sort of Super PAC Ratf^cking operation. The Bernie supporters I have dealt with understand the importance of down ballot elections, as does Senator Sanders. The Senator often states that he needs a team, which includes the electorate as well as a functioning Congress.
ReplyDeleteAs for paying for the needed infrastructure and social improvements, while some of it pays for itself in benefits to all of us, the remainder can be paid for by reducing the military budget. Imagine if we stopped creating jihadist hotspots how much we'd save on Homeland Security and other related costs. Then, we could consider a progressive income tax with no loopholes, if more funds are needed.
The Romneys, Waltons and several others are an inspiration to bring back the death tax. Do the math. Senator Sanders is more conservative than Eisenhower ever was.
reducing the Military Budget? How bout we cut ISREAL off the US tit for starters... and go down the list of countries we send "foreign aid" to...
DeleteIsrael
DeleteOne thing you Hillary devotees forget is Bernie Sanders has spent a pretty good hunk of time in congress. I think he has learned how to maneuver around in this branch of the government. He has a record of voting for things some of us believe to be the right thing for the country.
ReplyDeleteThe people who keep sending him back to Washington are doing it for a good reason.
Clinton is a very calculating candidate. It seems like her political career has pretty much been set up for her thru much of her life. She votes for what she believes will support her career.
Now you may not like those thoughts, but I will vote for the Democratic Party candidates because I truly fear what republicans will do to our country if they get absolute control of the 3 branches of government. I am an independent and Hillary is not my 1st choice!
He's gotten little accomplished, and he's nothing without the Democrats. Too bad he's running for the Senate again as an Independent. I no longer trust him. He's an opportunist, running for profit. Jane Sanders is paid by the campaign, and Tad Devine (BS' campaign manager) made $800,000 last month alone!
DeleteBernie has highest approval ratings of anyone in Congress. Hillary: only 8 years in elected office as a carpetbagger. Burlington, VT one of coolest cities in America - Bernie was mayor.
DeleteTell the truth, please.
DeleteHe has the highest approval rating than anyone in congress among their own constituents.
That means, Vermont (in all it's liberal, progressive, homogeneous glory) loves him. Do you think he would have the same rating if her were a Senator from NY?
Ohhh, he was the mayor of a cool city. That changes everything!
DeleteThe fact that you refer to "you Hillary devotees" tells me you have an "us vs. them attitude". Your self-righteous smarm demeans anyone who deosn't think like you. I am not a "devotee" of anything or anyone. I am a critical thinker capable of seeing nuances and making an intelligent decision based as to who is best qualified to be President of the US.
DeleteI don't vote based on emotion. Just like I wouldn't hire someone for a position based on emotion. I look for the candidate with the best qualifications. And that's what I am doing with my vote. I am hiring someone to run the country. I want to hire someone with a proven record of success. Like President Obama. By any measure, candidate Obama was a success at his age.
London Bridges, a Bernie bro brown nose
Delete@ London Bridges
DeleteFirst of all, Burlington Vermont isn't very cool and neither is Bernie. Secondly Bernie has done nothing in congress except collect a paycheck.
How did Tad Devine make that much money?
DeleteYou'll know there's a political revolution when across America men and women are marching in the streets, i.e. definitely not in 2016.
ReplyDeleteBernie Sanders spent his whole life spectating and has not one qualification for POTUS.
incorrect - most effective congressman
DeleteI'm a 'non partisan' voter and Hillary Clinton is my one and only choice!
Delete"most effective congressman"
Deletesource, please
I'm a non-partisan voter. I support Secretary Hillary Clinton for president. She is the most qualified to be "CEO" of a country. AND the only sane candidate running including the Bern who has little experience, and visions of grandeur with no real substance.
DeleteI did notice a lot of people signing up as Dems at our caucus. I hope this isn’t the first time they have voted and I sure as hell hope they aren’t in the Bernie or Bust camp. If so, wake up people, politics is a messy business and throwing tantrums if you don’t get your way is entirely repub/teaparty behavior. We are in this for the long haul and if Bernie doesn’t get the nod we must stand together and make sure we don’t go backwards with the alternative.
ReplyDeletehttp://www.opednews.com/articles/Consider-Clinton-s-Experie-by-Rob-Kall-Clinton-Bill_Clinton-Foundation_Corruption_Disruption-160326-550.html#14591146757251&action=collapse_widget&id=0&data=
ReplyDeleteGryphen, am kind of amazed at your Hillary support. Absolutely fine, but the prospect of Bill Clinton rattling around in the White House again is beyond me. I'm a 57 year old woman who has watched the atrocities from Vietnam thru now -- the war machine really doesn't need any more fuel. Hillary will only feed it. Follow the money. Rather a stoner than a shill.
ReplyDeleteI think you omitted a paragraph there, Gryphen, I've arrogantly edited, in brackets.
ReplyDeleteFor the most part he is attracting young anarchists who really just want to see the entire system upended so that they can see a new, more socialist form of government take its place.
[Allowing the conservative, reactionary Republicans to gain the executive branch, at a time when at least one SCOTUS appointment will be up for grabs, and to let them retain the House and Senate, will at least postpone or even deny for the foreseeable future, any move to socialism. Instead, it will move us to an authoritarian fascism.]
I am not sure how that really helps any of us moving forward.
Sanders is NOT attracting new Democrats to help elect a Democratic majority to take back control of the House and the Senate from the Republicans, while also retaining control of the White House."
ReplyDeleteGryphon, with all due respect, please pull your head out of your ass.
I support Bernie over Hillary for a couple of reasons, but foremost because Hillary doesn't have the trust of the public. The Republicans did their job, unfortunately.
I will be voting for whoever wins the nomination, just as I voted for President Obama in 2008 and 2012, along with a solid blue ticket in both midterms.
I get that you support Hillary. I think she'd be fine... IF she had the trust of the public. But you're no better than your much-disparaged "Bernie Bros" in your open contempt for people who are voting for a different candidate on the same team. You said yourself, they're very similar, so why the hell the open hostility?
Bernie and Hillary are not on the same team, Bernie is not a Democrat.
DeleteWhy the open hostility? Seriously? Have you read the BernieBros comments here? Also, Google "Bern the Witch"--the campaign event that stayed on Bernie's site for 6 months.
Delete2:02 he shares much of the same ideals that the blue ticket sites for. Honestly I am content that he has a history of being an independent. I am exhausted of the partisan divide in this country.
DeleteHell. I just ditched my precious 35 year long non-partisan status in Alaska to register as a Democrat and caucus for Bernie Sanders. I'm a woman and consider myself Progressive.
DeleteIt is PAST time to throw out the crony capitalists (omg did I RILLY just use a palinism?!@#$*)
It is PAST time to up end BOTH parties and bounce the teatards, the obstructionists and the lobbyist shills to take our government back from the corporate consumer complex.
http://mic.com/articles/137707/a-bern-the-witch-event-appeared-on-bernie-sanders-official-site-and-the-internet-is-mad
DeleteIf those young men represent the average Bernie voter than our future generations are in serious trouble. All three are doughy, out of shape, weirdly dressed and frankly look outright mentally retarded.
ReplyDeleteNah, Griffin is is biased towards outraged as the rest of the media.
DeleteWell, they were the same uber-progressive ilk that didn't like Al Gore or John Kerry or Barack Obama. They are the most recent morph of the pseudo-Democrats, too good for any traditional Democratic candidate. They helped give us George W. Bush and all the disasters of his two terms. And they are part of the reason the GOP regained the House and then the Senate while President Obama has been in office. I hope that at least some of them grow up before November 2016 and understand the consequences of sitting out a national election.
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I agree with you daily, Beaglemom!
DeleteIt's not just the younger voters. Older progressives have thrown tantrums over Pres Obama not being able to make all their dreams come true. This bled into down ticket votes which only made it less likely that the Pres could get liberal and progressive legislation passed.
DeleteCompletely agree. It's become a frat party and a place for disenfranchised libertarians.
DeleteBernie Bros have been apologized for in January by the Sanders campaign, they are in no way endorsed and everyone was asked to behave. They are just random internet trolls who bully instead of argue or make points and we all know how that works don't we. There is also bullying and sour grapes from the other side which gets people going. Wow, a piece with no author from the IBD,it was said Einstein would amount to nothing too and Bernie has the same hair as Einstein just shorter. Bernie has spent decades working hard for the people of his state, anyone looking for the truth knows that, so attempts by representatives of the 1% who say this, "The choice in this election is shaping up to be a very clear one. It will likely boil down to a battle between those who create and produce wealth, and those who take it and redistribute it" are running scared and not interested in fixing the economic problems in this country. Anyone who knows anything about what is wrong with our economy knows it is the lack of redistribution that is the main problem.
ReplyDeleteBernie has been a do-nothing in congress and any adult running for a major political office should be able to comb his/her own hair.
DeleteBut please, fell free to list all the legislation he has authored and gotten through congress in all those yrs of collecting a paycheck.
My problem with Sanders is that he seems so singularly concerned about economic disparity that he doesn't give enough attention to things like systematic racism and sexism that are largely separate issues. I wish he addressed these things with the same passion.
DeleteI know he worked for civil rights in the 60s and has been a longtime supporter of race, gender, and sexuality rights.
But sometimes he comes off as dismissive when asked about reproductive rights or race issues, etc as if we should all know how he feels about them, before turning back to economics.
I care deeply about the wealth gap. I also care deeply about other issues.
I would still happily vote for him against any Republican, but I wish Sanders would more intensely address these multifaceted problems
Please feel free to list all of the legislation that
DeleteHillary sponsored, while you're at it.
If Sanders did win the presidency what are all the Bernie bros. going to do in 4 years when we don't have single payer, don't have free college, don't have income equality. Bernie has promised things that have no chance of getting done without sizable majorities in congress.
ReplyDeleteEnthusiasm for Sanders will help win Congress back. Certainly Hillary will not.
DeleteWhat do you base that on, London Bridges? So many Sanders supporters bash the DNC and "establishment" democrats. Why should we think they will go out of their way to vote for down-ticked democrats more than Clinton supporters will?
DeleteBS
DeleteVote for any democrat you want.
DeleteUntil Congress is voted out, it's not going to happen.
As an upper middle income (supposedly.. We pull 98K pre tax) family, my husband, our oldest and I are voting for Sanders.
ReplyDeleteI've already voted twice for a Clinton.
Hillary is a democrat in name only.
Bernie isn't a democrat in name only.
Bernie isn't a Democrat at all and never has been, until now when it's convenient for him to pull the "Ron Paul" retirement plan.
DeleteBernie is registered as an Independent for his next Senate run, so he's not really a Democrat at all. Wake up.
DeleteBTW Upper middle class is 150K and over. The people between 150k and 240k pay the highest income tax in the country, more than GE, more than Exxon.
DeleteAnonymous6:13 PM,
DeleteAgree. I know, I am over $180K. But it's amazing how many people make decisions without being informed.
I am willing to pay more taxes to help support and educate the underprivileged. But not to support perpetual students like Bernie.
Sen Sanders is the end of the Reagan era, an end to trickle down economics and DC's revolving doors policies.
ReplyDeleteAn end to citizens united would be a nice touch too!
Bernie was a part of all those things.
DeleteGreat idea, bros! Then when you don't get your way, you can form your own obstructionist wing like the Teabaggers, and maybe Bernie can be your Ted Cruz. Ugh.
ReplyDeleteWithholding a vote because your first choice isn't on the top of the ticket is exactly what Karl Rove and Donald are praying for. Just stay home, but don't complain when things go down the drain.
ReplyDeleteThe way I see it, both Democratic contenders would make fine presidents - not one on the Republican Ticket would I trust to pick up after my dog.
Sorry Anita, but there is only one Democratic candidate running.
DeleteFEEL THE BERN!
ReplyDeleteBIG DECISION COMING UP FOR PARTY LOYALIST BERNIE SANDERS
Full Definition of loyalist: one who is or remains loyal especially to a political cause, party, government, or sovereign
Political party loyalist Bernie Sanders sided with the:
LIBERTY UNION PARTY
Who fell for the Bern (Before 1979)
Until Bernie "burnt" them and threw them under the bus for the:
INDEPENDENT PARTY
Who fell for the Bern (1979–2015)
Until Bernie "burnt" them and threw them under the bus for the:
DEMOCRATIC PARTY
Who fell for the BERN (2015–present)
If BERNIE SANDERS doesn't win the 2016 Election ....
What party will
PARTY LOYALIST BERNIE SANDERS
switch to and join next year?
Will the REPUBLICAN PARTY be the next party to fall for the BERN?
Will the COMMUNIST PARTY be the next party to fall for the BERN?
Or will the BERN go back to his first love the LIBERTY UNION PARTY?
It is becoming obvious that Bernie Sanders is only loyal to Bernie Sanders
FEEL THE BERN!
If Bernie had enough following he wouldn't be flying under the democratic Party, that's your "bern", more of a warming and nothing more.
DeleteBernie will "feel the bern" when no minority votes for him.
Ok. The Investor's Business Daily IS a hit job, but that's to be expected from many sources. This article, however, concludes with the stupidest assessment of the current political campaign ever: "The choice in this election is shaping up to be a very clear one. It will likely boil down to a battle between those who create and produce wealth, and those who take it and redistribute it." No. It will boil down to whether there are more, or fewer, well-informed, registered voters in the mix.
ReplyDeleteThe "bernie bros" need to grow a collective pair. They are immature, uneducated assholes.
ReplyDeleteFor the most part he is attracting young anarchists who really just want to see the entire system upended so that they can see a new, more socialist form of government take its place."
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Gfryphen these people see Hillary as more of the same. For good reason. Most of the populist stances she has taken (gay marriage, equal pay) have only come about because she has been challenged by the left. She's basically Republican Light, and there is no doubt about that.
Hillary Clinton has been fighting for equal pay for years. And it wasn't because she was "challenged by the left."
DeleteIf Hillary Clinton only vocally supported gay marriage because she was challenged by the left, than so did Bernie Sanders.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/bernie-sanders-gay-marriage_us_569fcc4de4b0a7026bf9e06f
Hillary Clinton is not a Republican, not even a Republican light.
DeleteShe is farther left than Sanders on gun control.
She has a long history of supporting gender equality and access to abortion and birth control as well as health care reform (including expanding children's access to health care).
She even fought for civil rights in the 1960s just like Bernie Sanders.
Does this sound like a Republican to you?
She may be more moderate than you'd like on some issues, but she's not a Republican.
The phrase "Bernie Bros" is in and of itself sexist. It implies that if you do not support Hillary, you are a man who is sexist. You apparently anti- Hillary for reasons besides the fact that she is a terrible candidate. Luckily, the Republicans this year are not a unlike a Monkey fucking a football.
ReplyDeleteThe "Bernie Bros" named themselves, so I guess they are the sexist ones.
DeleteFeel the Burn Liberty Union Party?
ReplyDeleteMore like Feel the Bern but I'll steal the infrastructure from the Democratic party.
DeleteThe grown up thing to do is vote for the person who beats the candidate you support? That takes the cake.
ReplyDeleteThe real grown up thing to do is to vote for the best candidate left that you trust to run the country for the good of all Americans.
If you were a Republican who supported Kasich for President, would you really support Trump in the General because that is what adults do?
What are the chances that this blog just get above the fray and drop thedog whistles to your special interest group? How many Hillary supports will vote for Senator Sanders if he win the primary?
ReplyDelete75 to 80 percent? The best would be that all Democrats / Independents (those supporting Bernie now) vote for Hillary in November.
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At the caucus I attended the majority of the attendees were under thirty, and regardless of who they were voting for, happily declared they'd vote for whoever won the nomination.
DeleteI am sick of listening to Bernie and don't think he'd be a good President. However, I'd vote for him over any Republican that has been in the race.
DeleteSorry, I won't. Bernie has done NOTHING for any minority group for decades so I am sure he doesn't want my minority vote.
DeleteWhat dog whistles? What are you talking about?
DeleteSanders could not get the amount of votes he is getting if only young anarchists were voting for him.
ReplyDeleteClinton claims she wants the same things Sanders does, but the difference is the way they will go about getting those results, and Clinton DOES NOT want the same policies Sanders does.
Welcome to American politics, kiddos. Not fair? No shit! You can stay in your rooms on election day, crying. Sell your juicy young souls to a lunatic devil in protest,Or come be a patriot and do what you have to do whether you like it or not, like the grown ups do.
ReplyDeleteGood God! This is your first Amercan political disappointment, but it probably won't be your last. Now dry your tears, and be a patriot. Do what you have to do to defeat a malignant lunatic. Be a grown up and put the needs of many before yourself. The voting age was lowered from 21 to 18, way before you came along. A lot of good young people died for that. Respect and honor them for their sacrifice, and repay them by making a sacrifice of your own.
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