Thursday, March 10, 2016

Things got a little heated at last night's Democratic debate.

Courtesy of Business Insider:  

Univision debate moderator Jorge Ramos confronted Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton on Wednesday over her email scandal, directly asking her if she would drop out of the race for her party's nomination if she were indicted. 

"If you get indicted, will you drop out?" he asked her. 

The former secretary of state refused to answer the question. 

"Oh, for goodness," she started when Ramos pressed her on the issue after she initially danced around it. "It's not going to happen. I'm not even answering that question."

Good response.

When this whole e-mail thing is finally put to rest I wonder what the next line of attack with be for the conservatives?

I'm betting on Bill Clinton's past dalliances with other women.

Here is more courtesy of the New York Times:  

Both candidates came prepared for a slash-and-burn debate, fully briefed on their rivals’ records with attack lines at the ready. Mrs. Clinton came at Mr. Sanders with kitchen-sink-style charges from the left but only occasionally mentioned one of her core criticisms: that he makes pie-in-the-sky promises without any way to get them done. 

Mr. Sanders, looking to capitalize on his win in Michigan, was ready to fight, denouncing her criticisms of his votes related to the auto bailout, insisting she was misrepresenting his record. He attacked her repeatedly over her speeches to Wall Street firms for large sums of money, even suggesting that she might be hiding something by not releasing the transcripts. Mr. Sanders is effective at wielding the political blade, which he reinforced by tartly saying, “Madame Secretary, I will match my record against yours any day of the week.”

I have to admit that I was completely surprised that there was a debate last night.

If one of you had not sent a comment to IM I would not have known about it until this morning.

As it is I saw none of it as it was happening, but have watched numerous clips from today.

For me I think one of the most powerful, and honest, lines from the debate was when Hillary said, " I am not a natural politician in case you haven't noticed, like my husband or President Obama. So I have a view that I just have to do the best I can, get the results I can, make a difference in people's lives, and hope that people see that I'm fighting for them and that I can improve conditions, economically and other ways, that will benefit them and their families."

It will not exactly fit on a bumper sticker, and makes a lousy campaign slogan, but it felt real to me.

99 comments:

  1. London Bridges11:33 AM

    I think originally it was supposed to be a Bernie-Trumpf debate, but Donny dropped out.

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    1. Anonymous11:49 AM

      the town hall on fox was to be a bernie-donald debate, not the one last night

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  2. Anonymous11:45 AM

    I thought Clinton's most genuine moment was the look of dismay on her face when Jorge Ramos disclosed his daughter worked for the Clinton campaign then dropped the email question. Overall it was one of the oddest debates I've ever seen.

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  3. Anonymous11:51 AM

    The debate last night was so extremely biased against Secretary Clinton. She was asked about the emails, bengazi, her likeablity. If i hadn't known better i would have thought it was a Fox sponsored event.
    Really?

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  4. Anonymous12:09 PM

    Standing O but not for the Ho at last night's debate...

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    1. Anonymous12:42 PM

      12:09 PM Your Mom was there?

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    2. Anonymous1:25 PM

      hi RAM, how's it going over at Deadbeat?

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    3. Anonymous2:30 PM

      men with small members unite against Hillary 12:09

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    4. Anonymous5:00 PM

      How are you any better than trump supporters 2:30

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    5. Anonymous6:13 PM

      Did Bernie praise Ho Chi Minh, too?

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  5. Caroll Thompson12:13 PM

    The next line of attack will be the Clinton Foundation. I expected it to come up by now, but they are still having fun with the emails and Benghazi.

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  6. Anonymous12:25 PM

    I also find Hillary's acknowledgement that she isn't a natural politician powerful and honest. Campaigning isn't what she does best, but governing is different. I happen to think she will be brilliant at governing. I'm glad she's putting that difference out there, so voters might take that into consideration when deciding who to support.

    On the other hand, you could call Trump a good campaigner, or at least a noisy and effective one. But he would be a disastrous president.

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    1. Anonymous1:24 PM

      Great comment.

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  7. Anonymous12:37 PM

    According to a political science professor from American University who was interviewed on MSNBC today:

    Since the late 1890s, the presidency has never been won by the incumbent party whenever it's had a hotly contested primary.

    So, if this election follows precedent, Bernie Sanders is a spoiler and the Democrats will lose the White House. Hopefully, it's not and Sanders' challenge has made Clinton a better candidate who will demolish the GOP opposition.

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    1. Anonymous1:20 PM

      The truth is Bernie does way better than all GOP nom if you refuse to see that than I feel sorry for this country

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    2. Anonymous5:26 PM

      Anonymous1:20 PM

      The GOP hasn't started their attacks against him yet. There is a reason Karl Rove's SuperPac and others are actally supporting Bernie. They are setting him up to be the Democratic nominee, so taht they can rip him to shreds in the general. Socialist. Liberal. No foreign policy experience.

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    3. Anonymous5:27 PM

      He wore a new suit last nite, got a trim too!

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  8. Anonymous12:48 PM

    A vote for Hillary is a vote for war, cracking, no climate change agenda, less jobs, more tax breaks for the wealthiest people and no help for the poor and middle class of this country... before you start bashing me keep in my she can't with all of these things if she's taking accomplish these things while taking millions from the people who cause those problems

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    1. Anonymous1:00 PM

      Not bashing you but did you even bother to try to read your comment? If you want to make a point at least make sure it makes sense.

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    2. Anonymous1:06 PM

      I tend to agree with you. I've thought about this long and hard and I'm of the opinion that we're screwed no matter who we vote for but we MUST vote. I'm really proud of Bernie that he tried and I plan on voting for him when our primary, here in Oregon, comes in May (so stupid; why even have one).

      I adore President Obama but was so ticked off when he signed the TPP. WHY?

      Still better than the clown car any day; I will vote for Hillary over that mess! This whole debacle reminds me of watching "professional" wrestling, except our very lives are at stake.

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    3. Anonymous1:10 PM

      12:48 PM WTF? Are you using drugs? Incoherent sentences are not getting your point across.

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    4. Anonymous1:17 PM

      Nice people on this blog calling names to a person like me who is disabled and I'm sorry my wording was off due my meds but what an awful thing to say to someone

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    5. Anonymous1:23 PM

      1.06 PM I'd be interested in hearing what it is that Bernie Sanders has achieved that makes you so "proud".

      I'm ashamed of him. I'm ashamed of the misogynistic thugs in his campaign that he refuses to control. Barack Obama would have corralled that thug element. How the hell can Sanders be POTUS when he can't even lead his own gang?

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    6. Anonymous1:30 PM

      Oh, my gosh! I've been quite busy lately and I follow the news the best I can but I didn't realize that President Obama had signed TPP. I must have been asleep when the Senate and Congress debated TPP. Oh, that's right they didn't debate it (why would they want to do their damn jobs?!). I would have thought that the least they could have done was to have a signing ceremony or something in front of a few press people. Sheesh!

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    7. Anonymous1:33 PM

      1:06 maybe you need to do your own research on Bernie and not believe MSM media for information.... And about being ashamed of him sounds like you have looking at Donald trump rallies not Bernie Sanders.... HRC has been proven to be a liar you don't have to be a republican to figure that out

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    8. @1.06 PM You wrote: "I'd be interested in hearing what it is that Bernie Sanders has achieved that makes you so "proud". "

      Seen this?
      http://www.alternet.org/election-2016/bernie-gets-it-done-sanders-record-pushing-through-major-reforms-will-surprise-you

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    9. Anonymous5:47 PM

      Bernie loves Fidel Castro To THIS DAY! That was the highlight of last night's debate!

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    10. Anonymous6:28 PM

      HAHA the "Bernie pals around with Fidel, Raul, the Minutemen and the Koch brothers" smears have fooled no one and been picked up by no one.

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    11. Anonymous7:05 PM

      I read them everywhere, @ 6:28.

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  9. Anonymous12:58 PM

    I thought Hillary had one of her best moments last night. There was a woman from Guatemala who was very emotional about her husband being deported, while she was still here in the U.S. with her 5 children. Bernie got the question first, misunderstood it, and went for the cheap applause by yelling something most people agree with (families shouldn't be separated),saying we should all be angry about someone else he knows who was in the military whose spouse was deported, etc. Hillary then told the woman how courageous she was for asking the question and gave her a thoughtful reply. I thought it contrasted their differences in a way I hadn't seen before. Bernie seems to be waiting to respond, rather than really listening.

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    1. Anonymous1:19 PM

      Bernie Sanders isn't interested in immigration, he has no interest in anything going on anywhere else. He's all about trying to stage a political revolution, just like he says. His record of doing nothing in congress decade after decade should ring a loud bell but people aren't even listening to his actual words when he says he wants a political revolution.

      There's a reason why all those Libertarian thugs are attracted to him. They want a revolution too. The work of government, of public service, is NOT what Bernie and his buddies are after.

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    2. Anonymous1:34 PM

      Hillary didn't have any great moments last night be honest

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    3. Anonymous2:03 PM

      Face it: Sanders is this year's Nader. Eloquent, committed - and too single-mindedly focused on corporate greed and trade protection to appeal to the broader electorate. I just hope that - unlike Nader - he accepts defeat graciously and drives his supporters to vote for Hillary. Otherwise a President Trump or Cruz becomes a far more likely possibility.

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    4. @1:19 You say, "His record of doing nothing in congress decade after decade..." This just isn't true. As an independent, he worked with Republicans to add reform measures to bills they were willing to sign.

      What kind of experience in getting things done does Bernie Sanders have?
      Have a look.

      http://www.alternet.org/election-2016/bernie-gets-it-done-sanders-record-pushing-through-major-reforms-will-surprise-you

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    5. Anonymous5:11 PM

      2:03 Nader never had crowds of ten thousand or more people at rallies so your comment is an epic fail

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    6. Anonymous5:47 PM

      Nader never praised Fidel Castro!

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    7. Anonymous6:30 PM

      The "Bernie loves Fidel" smear isn't going to stick. People don't care and won't fall for "red-baiting" in 2016.

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    8. Anonymous6:55 PM

      6:30- it's not red-baiting. Did you even watch the debate????

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  10. Anonymous12:59 PM

    OT GO HRC:
    http://www.salon.com/2016/03/10/hillary_takes_the_heat_better_than_bernie_debate_proves_that_hostile_gotcha_questions_dont_rattle_clinton/

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    1. Anonymous4:42 PM

      Good one. But I saw the debate. Clinton was badly rattled by the email questions, the Bengazi questions and the "why don't people like you" question. And when the Sanders people stood up and cheered at the end of his closing speechlet, she looked like she was going to faint.

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      Anonymous4:42 PM

      You see what you want to see.

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    3. Anonymous5:48 PM

      Did you see Bernie refuse to renounce Fidel Castro?????

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    4. Anonymous6:04 PM

      4:42 could say the same thing you just posted 5:31

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    5. Anonymous6:32 PM

      LOL on the Castro shit. LOL

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    6. Anonymous6:55 PM

      6:32- did you watch the debate? Bernie hearts Fidel!

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  11. How do you trust Hillary Clinton on anything when she is caught lying time after time?

    https://www.facebook.com/471672329678557/videos/517123691800087/

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    1. Anonymous1:35 PM

      A troll meme. I see this everywhere. It's making me sick.

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    2. @ 1:35 - I think you might want to read what The Washington Post just wrote today about Hillary Clinton's distortions:

      "But it's striking that, as Clinton has doubled down on the attacks [on Sanders], she has with some regularity played pretty fast and loose with the facts.

      "She'll take a vote Sanders has made during his 25 years in Congress and gloss over most, if not all, of the details about it. The result is a carefully worded insinuation or even outright accusation that Sanders has voted against his base on everything from immigration to the auto bailout to fossil fuels."

      And just because I post this does not mean I am a troll. Don't be as closed-minded as the trolls you hate. The Facebook video does point out a certain inconsistency in her public statements.

      At best, she changed her mind, at worst: she's a political animal that will wait to see which way the wind is blowing before committing. A statesman does not do this. Very few around these days, alas.

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    3. Anonymous5:12 PM

      I'd like to see Hillary stop trying to strafe Sanders with cherry-picked stuff and focus on her strengths. I mean how could she think anyone would believe Bernie Sanders sides with the Minutemen and the Koch brothers. So lame. However, her answer to the lady with the husband who'd been deported was excellent and spontaneous and from the heart. She would do better in these debates to stop looking at her notes for the rehearsed soundbite and just be herself.

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    4. Anonymous5:49 PM

      I like what Hillary said about the oppressive regimes that BS Bernie refused to renounce!

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  12. Anonymous1:02 PM

    A quote from Nancy Reagan after John McCain selected Sarah Palin as a running mate:

    "I'll never forget the time we spoke in 2008 just after the Republican nominee for president, Senator John McCain, had chosen Alaska Governor Sarah Palin as his running mate. I spoke with Mrs. Reagan on the phone, and her first comment was, 'What in the world was he thinking in picking that woman?' "

    BWAHAHAHAHA, Sarah's fake Reagan worship is all smoke and mirrors.

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  13. Anonymous1:14 PM

    The way that stupid bastard attacked Hillary last night was shameful.

    Is that who represents Hispanics? Really?

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    1. Anonymous1:38 PM

      Let's be honest almost every media outlet pundit or expert except fox news has a relative either working for the Clinton campaign or her foundation.. it's not hard to fact check

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    2. Anonymous2:02 PM

      1:38pm, prove it.

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    3. Anonymous5:19 PM

      Let's see 1:38 George Ramos said last night his daughter works for the Hillary campaign Univision television is the largest Donater of the Hillary Clinton campaign and also has given almost 100 million to Clinton foundation tweety bird chris Matthew's wife is running for office and gets money from same donors as Hillary Chelsea Clinton is on the board of the company that owns the daily beast Jonathan capeharts boyfriend works for Hillary campaign.. I could keep going but to much to type...

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      Anonymous1:38 PM

      So she has so many connections and so much pull that every media outlet goes after her with both barrels while treating Sanders and the republicans with kid gloves?

      CNN and Morning Joe are in the tank for Trump. Maddow is fawning all over Sanders. Fox was all about Rubio and has now switched to Cruz. Rightwing radio is albout Cruz. So you tell me, exactly which media outlet is biased for Clinton?

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    5. Anonymous5:50 PM

      5:19 - Facts are hard to come by, eh?

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    6. Anonymous6:06 PM

      I feel sorry for you if you really believe that 5:36

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    7. Anonymous6:19 PM

      At the end of the day It does not matter if you believe me....5:50

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      Anonymous6:06 PM

      Believe it? All you have to do is google it.

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    9. Anonymous6:54 PM

      6:19 - no, it doesn't matter and I don't believe you. Makes your posts rather pointless, though.

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  14. Anonymous1:19 PM

    I'm getting very annoyed with Bernie regarding Hillary's speeches to Wall Street firms. For a woman who has served as First Lady, as a U.S Senator, and as the Secretary of State, she deserves to receive large speaking fees and I don't think we need to see the transcripts of the speeches that Wall Street firms paid for. I'd rather know what the GOP candidates are promising to their big buck donors.

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    1. Anonymous5:39 PM

      I agree and I want to know how come Bernie spent all those years in the Senate and DID NOTHING to stop those bad guys on Wall Street.

      Now he sounds like a broken record-fee college, break up the banks.

      Maybe because he is so weak on foreign policy and doesn't want the discussion to go in that direction.

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    2. Anonymous5:53 PM

      5:39 do you have any idea how congress works

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    3. Anonymous6:11 PM

      5:53 - Does Bernie?

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    4. Anonymous6:58 PM

      @ 5:53 pm
      Well it's worked to get Bernie a paycheck for a few decades while he has done nothing.

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  15. By the way just for future reference I will no longer have an open thread for either Democratic or Republican debates from this point forward.

    Personally I am a little over them, and do not feel like covering another one until we get to the general and the debates are between the Democratic nominee and GOP nominee.

    That is not to say that I will not report on them the next day or anything, only that I will not subject myself to any more debates until I feel they actually count.

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  16. Anonymous1:41 PM

    I admire Bernie however...

    There is no one in either party who has the experience and knowledge of government that compares to Hillary Clinton. We learn from our experiences, our successes and our failures. Hillary is ready to be in the Oval Office and continue the great progress President Obama has made moving us away from Republican Recession when jobs were being lost by the hundreds of thousands every month. She has demonstrated her passion and zeal for women, children, seniors and working people so I hope Michigan and everyone else will support her.

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  17. That's a great quote from Hillary Clinton and really sums up who she is as a public servant. She's always the smartest person (or one of the smartest people) in the room, fiercely dedicated to public service and works harder than anyone else.

    Yes, I like charisma. And I'd vote for Julian Castro if he were running! Hillary Clinton does not have charisma. But I doubt there is a human being better prepared to SERVE as President than Hillary Clinton.

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  18. Anonymous3:48 PM

    I've loved Bernie for decades, but his nasty insinuations about HRC have turned me off to him for good.

    Ask him where he thinks the auto bailout funds came from .. does he even know? Or is he too busy shouting all the time. Those funds came from TARP, which he indeed voted against.

    He voted against the single biggest chance we had for immigration reform because he thought immigrants drove down US wages. It's on record. Now he claims that vote was for another reason.

    Tell me, who is the untrustworthy one.

    Go Hillary!!!

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    1. Anonymous4:39 PM

      Oh, Hillary's the untrustworthy one on this auto bailout foolishness. Sanders knows exactly where the auto bail out funds came from! But he also knows that hen the TARP bill was being considered, the Troubled Assets proposed to be Repurchased were assets of banks and financial institutions.

      After the TARP bill passed, the auto bailout bill failed. Sanders voted for cloture, but it was stopped by the Republicans with a filibuster and was never voted on the floor.

      George W. Bush deferred allocation of the TARP funds to January and the new Administration but recommended $13.4 B be given to GM and $4 B to Chrysler. Obama approved that.

      So it is untrue that Sanders voted against the auto bailout. He voted against TARP when the funds in TARP were to bail out Wall Street.

      This is not ancient history. It's easily fact-checked and the facts support that it's untrue. Other Democratic senators voted against TARP including Sen. Debbie Stabinow of Michigan. Do you think Stabinow would have voted against an auto bail out?

      The people of Michigan saw right through that bullshit and I think the vote in Michigan reflects that Clinton's attempt at smearing Sanders failed in spades.

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    2. Anonymous4:52 PM

      Even Obama's former campaign chairman said Hillary was being dishonest so is everyone else lying or just Hillary.. just saying

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    3. Anonymous4:54 PM

      Thank you 4:39

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    4. Anonymous5:36 PM

      The people of Michigan saw right through that bullshit and I think the vote in Michigan reflects that Clinton's attempt at smearing Sanders failed in spades.
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      If you look at the actual number of votes, Hillary did not lose by much, about 1,500 votes.

      That is not the certified count so difference could be a bit different.

      There were about 2,000 votes for "other" (there were two other candidates on the ballot-O'Malley that dropped out and another person I never heard of)

      So Bernie did NOT take Mich by a landslide.

      The big deal was suppose to be everyone believed the polls.

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    5. Anonymous5:51 PM

      4:52 - no. Axe has been corrected. He's wrong in this.

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    6. Anonymous6:39 PM

      Clinton was expected to win Michigan by double digits and lost instead. It might as well have been a landslide. She pissed off the UAW with her auto bailout smear and they punished her for it. She's just out of touch with working people.

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    7. Anonymous6:56 PM

      Dementia Bernie will NEVER get the votes needed in any southern state. Hillary could turn many bright blue. Bernie can't win and as a democrat I don't think I can vote for him. I think if he was honest he would have ran as an Indy since that is what he is. He doesn't want to be a democrat but wants to use what the democratic party has built. F him and his dementia waving arms.

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  19. Anonymous4:50 PM

    Hillary supporters act like this is some kind of sporting event and get angry when someone calls out their "team" (Hillary) when facts show that Hillary is very dishonest and I would say corrupt.. getting 75 to a 100 million dollars donated to Clinton foundation than turning around and selling weapons to those countries thru the SOS office is pretty damming.. just saying

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    1. Anonymous5:30 PM

      Where are the links to your "facts"?

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    2. Anonymous5:39 PM

      http://www.ibtimes.com/clinton-foundation-donors-got-weapons-deals-hillary-clintons-state-department-1934187

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    3. Anonymous5:45 PM

      Hillary's supporters get angry? I go on other liberal sites and I have never had so many nasty comemnts directed towards me as when I defend Hilalry Clinton. And they call her all kinds of nasty names. It becomes personal with them. You should note the difference between the criticisms directed at Hillary and those directed at Bernie. The ones directed at Bernie criticise his positions, his policies, his record. Any criticism of Hillary's record or policy is always accompanied by a nasty personal comment, many of them gendered - ugly, fat, skank, c#$%, bitch, liar, crook, corrupt, murderer, .......and on and on and on.......

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    4. Anonymous5:49 PM

      Still don't believe? 5:30

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    5. Anonymous6:15 PM

      The truth is Hillary is all those things 5:45

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    6. Anonymous6:53 PM

      6:15 - are you in high school?

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      Anonymous6:15 PM

      There you go. Thanks for proving my point. Pathetic, that a woman can't be judged on her merits but has to put up with all the misogynist crap.

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  20. Anonymous5:30 PM

    but only occasionally mentioned one of her core criticisms: that he makes pie-in-the-sky promises without any way to get them done.
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    That is my problem with Bernie along with the fact that he lies when he says he isn't a career politician.

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  21. Anonymous5:30 PM

    And let's be honest again the Clinton foundation is just a massive slush fund to hide payments being made as a way to cover favors that were did for them favorite of rd people are waiting for... just ask the Haiten people

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    1. Anonymous5:53 PM

      Let's be honest: you have literacy issues.

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    2. Anonymous6:10 PM

      http://www.nationalreview.com/article/423157/poll-voters-call-hillary-liar-dishonest-untrustworthy-joel-gehrke

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    3. Anonymous6:10 PM

      http://www.weeklystandard.com/quinnipiac-liar-dishonest-most-used-to-describe-hillary/article/1020252

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    4. Anonymous6:13 PM

      Sorry 5:53 I'm not such a great speller or have grammatical problems if that's your defense of Hillary being a liar than you have more problems than I do

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    5. Anonymous6:52 PM

      6:13 - not necessarily, toots.

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    6. Anonymous5:31 AM

      Adult illiteracy is no joking matter.

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  22. Anita Winecooler5:37 PM

    I'm for Hillary, but my observation on these debates show me who are the adults in the room, and who all the jokers are. When Bernie and Hillary debate, it's usually civil and about issues that the public care about. There were a few takeaways for me with Hillary's answers last night, she differentiated herself from her husband and POTUS as the "politician" things, admitted it isn't her strong suit, and they treated each other with some modicum of respect and dignity.
    The GOP "Debates"? Well, we all can just toss them in the vulgar trash heap and slam the lid.

    You can fail to agree and still find common ground, unless your name's Obama or you have an "r" behind your name.

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    1. Anonymous6:55 PM

      Too bad Bernie's supporters don't behave like he does. Too bad they usually resort to personal insults.

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  23. Anonymous6:01 PM

    http://www.tomheneghanbriefings.com/Bush-Clinton-Obama-Crime-Family-Syndicate-NSA-Federal-Reserve-TREASON-Totally-Fingered_07-17-2013.html

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    1. Anonymous6:56 PM

      Seriously? Why don't you just go on Breitbart.

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  24. Anonymous3:59 PM

    As if Hillary has any idea if she will be indicted or not. There is an ongoing FBI investigation. It is a legitimate question, and an important question considering the stakes.

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  25. Anonymous10:10 PM

    I did not realize that the Clintons and Univision had any ties, but here it is:

    http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/politics/2015/11/19/hillary-clinton-top-political-donor-is-univision-chairman-investigation-shows/

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