Of course this did not exactly fly with the military.
Courtesy of Military.com:
Intelligence Specialist 2nd Class Janaye Ervin, a reservist on active duty within U.S. Pacific Fleet, is subject to administrative actions, still under review, for refusing to stand for the national anthem while in uniform Sept. 19, Bill Doughty, a spokesman for Joint Base Pearl Harbor-Hickam Public Affairs told Military.com.
According to activist and New York Daily News reporter Shaun King, who publicized Ervin's case on Twitter along with a Change.org petition supporting her, Ervin said she lost her security clearance and was threatened with jail by the Navy in response to her actions.
Okay that takes guts to take a stand like this while in the military and knowing how it might affect your career.
In the world of sports of course the Kaepernick effect is spreading like wildfire despite attempts to punish players and attack their motives.
Personally I am thrilled that people are breaking from the herd and standing up for their beliefs.
As a progressive I feel that the more people stop and ask the hard questions about traditions, religion, and patriotism, the better for all of us in the long run.
We should always think before we do, question before we accept, and learn before we decide.
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ReplyDeleteGryphen - this comment relates to your last article concerning Palin's nonsense. Are you aware the shooter in Houston was dressed in WWII Nazi get up? I am sure Palin will comment on that - or not!!
Pat Padrnos
Unlike Track Palin, the Houston lawyer in WWII Nazi get up did not have all his arsenal at his mother's house.
DeleteHe had a stash in a vehicle.
Who gives a ca ca what Palin has to say? I don't!!
DeleteEven as an elementary school kid I just couldn't understand that pledging to the flag. And I never got anthems at the start of a sporting event. Why not when the mall opens in the morning?
ReplyDeleteNote the gun fingers:
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Dishonorable discharge. Problem solved.
ReplyDeleteYou don't have the privilege of making up your own rules in the military.
Yep.
DeleteAgreed. If you want your 15 minutes of fame, might want to check the consequences beforehand.
Delete@Anonymous 12:30 PM
DeleteWhen you are in the military, you STILL have the FREEDOM OF PROTEST.
I back this movement ALL THE WAY.
@Anonymous 2:13 PM
DeleteI back Ms. Ervin and the other protestors of racist inequality ALL THE WAY.
Agree. Military folks are held to different standards, laws particular to military milieu, and total force discipline. Bad choice on her part.
DeleteLol, you really don't know what you are talking about Mr./Mrs. CAPS at 2:46 & 2:50.
DeleteCharge her and kick her self serving ass out of the military. She is not fit for duty.
Why can't Hillary be Jill Stein?
ReplyDeletehttp://www.jill2016.com/plan
Because Hillary has a brain.
DeleteI can't wait to hear what Jill Stein has to say tonight during the debate, oh, wait, never mind, she doesn't even have enough supporters to be included in the debate.
DeleteAs a veteran I believe people have the right to stand, sit whatever during the national anthem, but when you are in military that is different. You are subjected to the UCMJ. She deserves any punishment she may get. Don't do that in uniform. Civilians may not understand, but that's the way it goes in the military, you are have to follow military law. If she doesn't want to stand, fine----do that in civilian clothes
ReplyDeleteThat's true, once you sign your life away to the armed forces you are their bitch until your term is done.
DeleteAbsolutely correct.
DeleteYes, I agree.
DeleteThat moron in the military who questioned Obama's nationality was thrown out - quite rightly so. If he was a civilian, he could have talked all the rubbish he wanted - that being his right. But as a member of the armed forces, there is no right to dissent. This is essential to their way of life.
If one doesn't like it (like me) then stay out of the military (like i have always done.)
Goose-steps...Watch both vids...
ReplyDeletehttp://crooksandliars.com/2016/09/Glenn-beck-freaks-out-blood
"Now our Ship of State seems mired in the muck of military rape, corporate owned media, religious hypocrisy and racists’ hate"
ReplyDeletehttp://lnr.politicususa.com/demigods-power-might-militarism-media-religion-racism-1645/
Trump is basically that asshole guy who bashes his exes.
ReplyDeleteEveryone knows guys who bash their exes are scum. Women put up with so much from men, that when they refuse to tolerate being treated poorly, they're called bitches. In reality, the dude is the huge bitch.
Do as you please when OUT of uniform.
ReplyDeleteOT?
ReplyDelete"It is illegal for anyone to funnel personal income into a charity, and then use the money for personal benefit."
http://www.politicususa.com/2016/09/26/hours-debate-report-finds-trump-directed-income-foundation-avoid-paying-taxes.html
"We should always think before we do, question before we accept, and learn before we decide."
ReplyDeleteSays Gryph. This young lady should have done all that -before- signing her ass up for military service. What a joke.
I agree with the others. She knew what she was doing when she did it.
ReplyDeleteWhat the others haven't commented on yet is the fact that she held a security clearance.
People who hold clearances are held to a higher standard of behavior, as they should be.
Don't want radicals or someone who could be "coerced under threat of revealing compromising personal info" having access to confidential info.
Crimes, bad behavior, excessive drinking, etc. and your clearance is pulled.
Plus, I've mentioned it before in another thread. If you are representing your employer, you do not have the right to make personal statements that reflect poorly on the employer on work time.
Military are on-duty 24/7. They know that. They signed the papers. They work in the system. She is wearing uniform while doing this public part of protesting.
As a Specialist 2nd Class, she is an E-5. possibly a supervisor. She's been in the military a while now. Probably at end of first or beginning of second enlistment.
She totally knew there would be swift action from the military. As there should be.
There are other ways to make a statement.
There is more to her story than we are hearing.
Rule number one on Facebook while in the military, Don't. put it in writing.
ReplyDeleteI have to wonder if this goes beyond Kaepernack.
ReplyDeleteThere is still misogyny running beneath the surface of our military. It wouldn't surprise me if our current election is causing repressed racism to bubble up.
While she is held to a military standard, it could still be she couldn't swallow the hypocrisy any more.
Oops. Her Facebook page has been taken down now.
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