Hillary Clinton didn’t just win the popular vote. She won it by a substantial margin.
By the time all the ballots are counted, she seems likely to be ahead by more than 2 million votes and more than 1.5 percentage points, according to my Times colleague Nate Cohn. She will have won by a wider percentage margin than not only Al Gore in 2000 but also Richard Nixon in 1968 and John F. Kennedy in 1960.
You notice that when I write about the Trump presidency I will use a lower case "p," whereas I also used the upper case "P" when talking about Obama.
The reason for that is President Obama was indeed our duly elected President, while a president Trump is Putin's choice for president.
The American people elected their first female President in 2016, others such as the FBI, Wikileaks, and Russia used terrorist techniques and an antiquated electoral system to put the guy headed to the White House into office.
#Notmypresident
From the article: … used terrorist techniques and an antiquated electoral system to put the guy headed to the White House into office.
ReplyDeleteThe Electoral College hasn't met yet.
Hmmmmm.
Deletehttps://www.archives.gov/federal-register/electoral-college/key-dates.html
We lost. Sometimes it plays out in our favor, sometimes not.but the rules were followed and it was Trump'supporters victory.
DeleteI refuse to be a hypocrite.
Election reform onot Groundhog Day of 2017, according to John Oliver. Let's make changes then.
Trump is Putin's Puusee
ReplyDeleteShe "lost" Mi by .3%, not sure if they are still counting, but might have won if the 3rd party candidates didn't take votes.
ReplyDeleteAlso voter numbers were really low especially in Detroit.
I am going to stick with my Traitor Trump, he isn't presidential, he is a reality tv star.
I consider him as much a "star" as Palin.
DeleteNOT.
Third Party candidates don't "take" votes. People vote for them because they choose to. Grow up little baby.
DeleteSpeaking of MI, Debbie Dingell has been writing and going around on TV saying how she begged people in H's campaign to listen to her about what needed doing in parts of MI. Yet she also goes on to talk about driving Bill C to the store and as if she is actually pretty good friends with the Clintons. If so, then she had their ear. And I think they would have listened. Especially given Bubba's instincts for people and the working class. I just don't see the Clintons as ignoring Dingell if she spoke to them directly and with as much concern as she now professes to have had.
DeleteShe lost Florida by the same percentage of votes that Johnson got.
DeleteHere are #s on the close states still counting votes. As well, there's talk about a recount possibility.
DeleteThing that my husband and I wondered was: what about the overseas votes for FLA? In 2000 those took something like three weeks to come in, many from Israel. Not the case anymore? They are now forced to vote very early?
And it's too bad WI had new voter suppression going on with new voter ID laws and the like.
http://heavy.com/news/2016/11/michigan-new-hampshire-arizona-election-results-2016-called-calls-ap-cnn-have-they-been-called-why-havent-returns-votes-recount-trump-clinton-hillary-wisconsin/
9:29, from what I've read, Bill Clinton did implore to the campaign that they needed to work harder to appeal to the blue collar crowd, the rust belt, the factory workers, the people who had been left behind the last eight years. His concerns fell on mostly deaf ears and instead they tried to motivate the same base that elected Obama, and it failed. Bubba knew.
DeleteJohnson's Libertatian voters are more likely Republican than Democrat 9:33. He earned his votes. The crybabies that always whine about third parties need to be burped and put down for a post tantrum nap.
DeleteWhat's interesting is that Clinton received a much higher percentage of votes from lower income Americans, those who earn less than $50,000, so it does seem like a majority of those who have been left behind economically voted for her.
DeleteThe highest percentage of Trump voters came from those earning more than $50,000 annually.
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/11/08/us/politics/election-exit-polls.html?_r=3
9:45-I actually believe you. Johnson seemed as dumb about things as Trump is. Would appeal to the uneducated voter who also has no idea the name of any world leaders.
Delete9:45,
DeleteThe tantrum throwers are the protest voters. Grow up and make a hard choice between two REAL candidates. A toddler does what feels good. What says I'm pouting and refuse to play? A pointless protest vote. intellectual laziness.
2:23 why do you say that third party voters are protest voters? All the 3rd party voters I know, did it because they supported the candidate. Now you go grow the fuck up. If Hillary couldn't seal the deal, it is her own damn fault. Accept it, or don't. Doesn't matter. Trump will be President.
DeleteYour President lolololol!!!!
It must be a bittersweet solace to Hillary. This helps me forgive my fellow Americans.
ReplyDeleteso the city of Memphis, population wise, was the difference.
ReplyDeleteThat's not THAT big.
Im more perturbed at how many didn't vote. We've never had a great turnout and it's sad.
The EC exists so large cities don't control elections.
Nearly 50% of registered voters didn't vote, that means that America's fate was sealed by only 1/4 of the electorate. You're right, that's really sad.
DeleteIf the electoral rules were changes or removed, the voting public and vote count would likely change quite a bit also. So it really is a fallacy observation to reflect so much on the total vote count while the electoral college exists.
ReplyDeleteThe FBI did not elect Trump.
The Russians did not elect Trump.
The American People DID elect Trump.
Hillary fell flat, the DNC fooled and failed YOU Gryphen. Sorry you don't to swallow the bitter truth.
There are numerous factors and they got Trump elected. Yes some blame goes on Hillary's campaign, but no one should be turning a blind eye to all the things that absolutely changed the results. It is so obvious that these things did "elect" Trump.
DeleteI agree!
Delete-Lou Sarah
There is no more need for the electoral college under any circumstances. It was fine back in the day where representatives had to travel by horse, stagecoach, and train for days if not weeks. With todays voting system it just is not necessary, besides a close state or 2 the results are almost immediate.
DeleteThe simple fact that there were NINE HUNDRED FEWER polling places - mainly in minority districts who would vote Democratic - is a YUUUGE fact!
DeleteThe people elected Hillary, the electoral college probably will elect Trump.
DeleteSo you don't think it's strange that states who have been blue for decades are suddenly red..just enough red to hand over the EC votes? I think there was vote switching at the machines. Where did Ohio ned their ballots this year for counting?
DeleteGoodness. Everyone knows what happened. Trump and foundation hired snowden and Russia helped. For at least 2 yrs Americans were hacked, attacked, voting records, past act blue donation information, spending habits, were obtained and then cyber bully attacks began. Fox Nation no newd turned americans against americans, families against families, friends against friends, they falsified records, hacked gov.,DNC and bombarded us with nasty junk emails, tweets and scams. They have committed extortion of many professionals, bugged the resort guest rooms, and crime after crime committed in order to achieve the win of cruz, trump or one of the other pos lying R's. Don't know if ya all noticed your dishnetwork or directtv acting odd on election day? but the ass clowns were working their hateful magic on America and we sat right through it. What is troubling is how our elected, hired, law enforcement agencies are also split and divided. Also our military. It is troubling those around trump, all have this smell about them. Time for the line in the sand. American or not. Trump will never be President of the United States of America. He will be impeached or forced to resign by year end. Republicans are disgraceful liars.
Delete9:35 ~ The Electoral College is rooted in slavery. A slave-owner could count each slave as 3/5 of a person.
Deletehttp://time.com/4558510/electoral-college-history-slavery/
My cable was fucked up tuesday.
DeleteTrump just did what every president should do. Turn down a salary. They all have the ability to.
ReplyDeleteThough maybe instead of that, he should take it and show where the money is going (charity). Like it or not he is a charitable man.
ctually he isn't. If he pretends to give and just gives it back to himself through his businesses then he has given nothing and that is what he does. Just means he moves those dollars from one pocket to the other.
Delete"Like it or not he is a charitable man."
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No, he absolutely isn't. You are not going to change minds about trump by spouting easily disproved lies.
LOLOL!!!
DeleteCharitable man my ass.They shut down his foundation as he was using it as his own private piggy bank. He said he donated to 432 charities. When research was done ALL the charities contacted said he donated $0. He lied.At a ceremony in 1996 he showed up uninvited and forced his way onto the stage with the honorees for donating to a preschool for kids with AIDS. He didn't donate a penny.Also Never end a sentence with a preposition. It makes you look uneducated.
DeleteBull Shit:
Deletehttp://newsexaminer.net/politics/donald-trump-the-least-charitable-billionaire/
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/09/how-donald-trump-exploited-charity-for-personal-gain/499535/
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/how-donald-trump-retooled-his-charity-to-spend-other-peoples-money/2016/09/10/da8cce64-75df-11e6-8149-b8d05321db62_story.html
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/10/05/donald-trump-s-charity-scandal-is-about-to-spread-nationwide.html
https://newrepublic.com/article/137522/trumps-charity-tells-us-lot-business
If charity begins at home, then yes, he is a very charitable man.
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he is NOT charitable. His Foundation paid off Pam Bondi (yes, she is now a sweet advisor) to drop the Trump U case in Florida. Also paid off Abbot in Texas. The FL donation was illegally from the Foundation and cost him a measly $2500 fine (which I;m sure the Foundation said as well.) Giving out OPM is not charity. It's like that creepy Frank Graham and his shoeboxes. He gets people to pay money to fill these boxes, send him money for 'postage' and then he hops in his jet and takes couple of photo ops. Isn't he wonderful? Then he collect his million dollar Foundation paid salary as well. OPM.
DeleteHe turned down the salary? Like he needs another $400,000 a year. But it also means that when he hands off the power to Pence, he will think, gee, I'm not getting paid so why should I worry about bills and treaties and agencies and the poor?
DeleteWell isn’t that special, he has told so many lies this is probable just another to add to the list or his account told him taking the salary would affect some of his tax loop holes.
DeleteAlso he said those months ago, I’ll believe it when I see his tax returns.
Or it might just be he wants all Americans to get use to their lower wages.
Next he is going to compare himself to JFK, who didn't take a salary.
I fear he IS our president, so I wish we could start an #Irejecthim tweet storm. I know it's quibbling over semantics, but I long ago grew tired of all the people saying that Mr. Obama wasn't their President, so I'm loathe to use the phrase now. Thus, I Reject him!
ReplyDeleteAs to Mrs. Clinton's numbers, thanks for them! I grew forlorn and stopped looking at the data. I am comforted to know we did vote her in.
Ihave decided that the repuglicans keep saying there is just too much political correctness that I will follow their lead and treat the tRumps the same exact way that First Lady Michelle Obama and President Obama were treated.
DeleteI have seen a few articles demanding that Melanoma be treated "nicely" and without any misogyny and all I have posted is that I am sure she will be treated as well as Michelle has been, boy does that piss off the sTrumpets followers.
"I am comforted to know we did vote her in."
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Indeed.
yes, amazing that Ms. Lindsay has already threatened Dem Senators that they' better NOT block Trump's nominees, or else! Good Lord. Why not? You've blocked Garland for 8 months and swore you'd block any Clinton nominees as well. So now WE are supposes to do whatever you want? Up yours, Graham.
DeleteTo 9:40 - Remember what Mrs. Obama said - "when they go low, we go high". Only by our intellegence, rather than our sneering, can be prevail. my opinion only, but my mama raised me to be polite.
DeleteI thought Ms.Lindsay is on trump's hit list.
Deleteyep they want to throw out politically correctness when they are ones insulting and demeaning.
We have been tolerate and polite for too long. I can call trump a traitor if I want to, freedom of speech blah blah.
... yuuuuge twitter storm under the hashtag #notmypresident.
Deletei am sending this out to everyone I know.:
ReplyDeleteHere is the "Electoral College should vote for Hillary (or Bloomberg) in December" petition. I feel sure there are many Trump voters who now regret it: they wanted to get our attention, and they did, and that is a good thing, but now they, too, realize that they dread having Trump for president. Or Pence. Not in their best interests.
https://www.change.org/p/elect...
It's at 3.5M signers now -- not nearly enough if we want to be serious. If ever there was a need for a chain letter, this is it. Pls send to all your pals.
https://www.change.org/p/electoral-college-electors-electoral-college-make-hillary-clinton-president-on-december-19?source_location=topic_page
Delete@9:02, Yes I agree, like it or not President-elect Trump is a very charitable man.
ReplyDeleteHe took $10,000 from his charity and purchased a 4 foot painting of himself and hung it on a wall in his golf course.
That was actually $20,000...
DeleteAnd 6'.
Delete9:30, you show your stupidity every time you fail to comment directly under the correct post. IDIOT!
DeleteHerr Drumph and his czarina.
ReplyDeleteWhy is it failed political consultants fuck up but ALWAYS have a job? ALWAYS get paid?
ReplyDeleteWhere's Donna Brazile?
"Donna Brazile Verified account
@donnabrazile
What's on your menu? Just ran into James O'Keefe in Florida at a conference hosted by David Horowitz. We live in interesting times."
"Interesting times?"
She is at a RWNJ conference with people like James OKeefe and David Horowitz?!
https://twitter.com/virgiltexas/status/797220416725143552
Don't recognize David Horowitz?
"Pro-McCain Group Dumping 28 Million Terror Scare DVDs in Swing States"
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/erik-ose/pro-mccain-group-dumping_b_125969.html
ReplyDeleteTrump Is Miserable And Only Plans On Being President For 4 Days Each Week
Donald Trump never expected to win the presidential election, and is planning on being in Washington only when Congress is working, which means that he will be a part-time president who will only work 4 days a week.
http://www.politicususa.com/2016/11/12/trump-miserable-plans-president-4-days-week.html
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/12/us/politics/trump-president.html
I think that's actually one more day a week than Texas ranch Bush worked over 8 years.
DeleteAnd they complained when Obama took a short vacation.
DeleteBetting the farm he is planning on redecorating Mar Lago and his tacky penthouse with taxpayer money.
Like what Trump did to women.
ReplyDeletePutin smiles at Trump then watch Putin grab Trump by his pussy.
National Security Threatened By Religious Amendment In Defense Spending Bill
ReplyDelete...That’s right, the Russell Amendment, like North Carolina’s “temporarily” unconstitutional “bathroom law,” grants full legal discriminatory authority in direct opposition to the Civil Rights Act, Americans With Disabilities Act, and the Constitution’s 14th Amendment to any religious or racist bigot to discriminate if they claim their religious sensibilities are offended. This means a single mother can be fired, a woman who uses contraception, married or not, can be fired, a person practicing the wrong or no religion can be fired, and of course people of color, unmarried cohabitants, and LGBT people can be summarily and legally terminated based on someone else’s religious grounds.
http://www.politicususa.com/2016/11/12/national-security-threatened-religious-amendment-defense-spending-bill.html
Well, yeah. This is what they believe-certain people are better than others.
Delete@ 9:06 -- This petition isn't available. Either the URL is incorrect, it violated our Community Guidelines, or the starter removed it.
ReplyDeletehttps://www.change.org/p/electoral-college-electors-electoral-college-make-hillary-clinton-president-on-december-19?source_location=search_index&algorithm=curated_trending&grid_position=2
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DeleteI made a 'tiny URL of this --
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I used this one, got right in, and voted. √
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DeleteTry this Tiny URL: http://tiny.cc/mpgugy
DeleteReligious Right Believes Donald Trump Will Deliver on His Promises
ReplyDelete...Now that he has won, evangelical leaders say they are confident Mr. Trump will deliver on the political promises he made to them. These include appointing a conservative to the Supreme Court, defunding Planned Parenthood, protecting businesses that refuse to provide services for same-sex weddings and rescinding the mandate in the Affordable Care Act that requires insurance coverage for birth control.
And with Gov. Mike Pence of Indiana, an evangelical with a record of legislating against abortion and same-sex marriage, as vice president, Christian leaders say they feel reassured they will have access to the White House and a seat at the table.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/12/us/donald-trump-evangelical-christians-religious-conservatives.html
Nice that they are so find of the Constitution and ignore separation of church and state completely. Jerks.
DeleteMike Pence Emerging as a Commanding Figure in Trump Administration
ReplyDeletehttp://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/12/us/politics/mike-pence-vice-president.html
I've said here many times that I can visualize Pence as a Nazi - wearing that old uniform.
DeleteHe has the look - no doubt about it!
They hate him in Indiana - very anti women and their rights!
We really have some interesting folks that will reside in D.C. comprising this regime/administration under the leadership of Trump!
They truly will be frightening as Hell!
Dick Cheney Part II, except Pence will strip civil rights instead of starting wars.
DeleteAt least Bush pretended to be POTUS, trump is just going to phone it in and let Pence do the work.
You can go here for the ongoing counting that is happening and to see exactly how far ahead Trump is in close states. You can click on a state and get those stats. Some are razor-thin, like Trump going between .2 and.3% in MI. He'll still have the presidency (but, man, what a dream it is to imagine a turnaround in some results), but it feels good to see how he just barely one n some states his people are saying gave him a mandate:
ReplyDeletehttp://www.nytimes.com/elections/forecast/president
That with the capital and lower case 'p' is exactly what I am doing too!
ReplyDeleteThat said: how can someone become president of the USA, if he has been revealed to be a Russian spy puppet?! I mean, the Russians have admitted on Nov. 9 and later, that they have been in constant contact with his campaign, and that they have actually interfered with our elections. He has not disclosed his taxes, which would have shown that he has intimate financial ties with Russia (even his son, Eric, admitted that most of his financial dealings were with Russia in 2009 or later...).
Shouldn't he be in PRISON under the spy act?
HOW can we give him briefings from the NSA? We might as well simply pronounce all our plans openly to the world, or invite Putin to personally attend those meetings!
Another rant: How can he get his family all over the government/transition team, and also get his children to be the 'uninvolved' administrators of his 'blind trust'???!!!
This Russian spy CON will be the first president who will make tons and tons of $$$ for himself during however brief his regency will be. (Yes, I used the word 'regency'!)
Maybe we should really look on getting those electorates to vote for what the people want, not what the party wants. I know, Hillary is not the ideal President, but she will at least be much, much better. Even with a completely uncooperative Congress.
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I'm going with potus too, lowercase, and it will always mean "piece of toxic uuuuge shit" when using it for Trump.
DeleteEXCACTLY!!!!!! Why is he not being investigated as a traitor? How can Russian get into his business and no one does anything about it?
DeleteNow is the time for more states to follow the lead of Maryland and release their electors to vote their consciences.
ReplyDeleteThe electoral college should VOTE CON-vs-SCIENCE on Dec19, 2016 The WORLD isis watching.
ReplyDeleteEvery "Comedian" should get TO-GET-HER by DOing A SERIOUS 'VAGINA MONOLOGUE' TYPE STANDing show.
Stronger Together >
The petition has 3.5 million signatures in three days..sign up!
DeleteTry this 'Tiny URL'link - gets you right in:
Deletehttp://tiny.cc/mpgugy to add your signatures.
Trump is in for a world of shit!
ReplyDeleteHe thought being president is hearing Hail To The Chief, Air Force One, people kissing his ass, the title the most powerful man in the world.
Now he has to work and America will hold him to what he does. He will constantly hear and see protests no matter where he goes.
It's going to be ugly.
GOOD. I hope he's hounded wherever he goes. Not sour grapes on my part; just a bloviating pig so ill-equipped to lead.
DeleteHe's so going to wish he'd never run for potus and won. He looked to be in WAY over his head yesterday when meeting President Obama and Republicans in D.C.
DeleteIt was almost funny to watch him realize what he's gotten himself into! And, now we know that VP Pence will be the acting potus and Trump will be 'nothing' essentially. What a fucking joke!
Amen. A very very bad joke. I suspect a lot of the evangelicals voted for Pence, not Trump. He's as dominionist as Cruz and Kasich and the rest. He will screw women royally, as well as gays, minorities and anyone else he pleases.
DeleteThere's going to be investments in a certain concrete company and construction company by some of Trump's relatives before the wall contract is awarded. How did they know? Hmmm!
ReplyDeleteYeah, having them in charge of the company AND on staff is pretty damn convenient, but I'd expect nothing less. Where's Palin? She's a master at skirting the law too...Trump's just better.
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ReplyDeleteRepublicans Are In A Race Against Time And They Are Already Losing
Nothing's changed about how much trouble the Republican Party is in. If anything, the end is going to be even quicker and more brutal.
http://thedailybanter.com/2016/11/republicans-are-in-trouble/
ReplyDeleteDon't Blame Hillary, Bernie or Millennials; The Media F*cked Us All
Trump does not exist without an audience and the mainstream media was all too eager to give him the largest one possible.
http://thedailybanter.com/2016/11/media-created-trump/
Sorry, but the bottom line is that the voters are responsible. Yes, the mdeia is abominable as are the republicans, the kochs, the super pacs, etc. But in the end they don't cast the ballots.
DeleteWe don't have a nationwide election. We have 50 state elections + DC. Clinton won 21 out of 51 of them. That's the system we have. If you don't like it,work to change the constitution But this "won the popular vote" , nullify the electoral vote stuff is just the sourest of sour grapes and makes us sound as much like whiny ass babies as the Repugs were when Obama got elected. It's embarrassing. Please bind your wounds and try to move on.
ReplyDeleteSorry, honey (9:50 AM)! It means a LOT to many of us that Hillary Clinton beat the shit out of Trump in the popular vote.
DeleteIt is a good thing and I'm sure Trump hates that he's not regarded well by the majority of Americans across our country!
I know it makes me feel much better while having to see what will be ahead of us w/racist, Donald Trump!
Oh just stop. She did not "beat the shit" out of him on votes. She won the popular vote by a thin hair: ~565,000 votes in 120 million. That's 0.47%, Honey. Lie to yourself if you want, but don't embarrass yourself by claiming 0.47% is "beat the shit out of him".
DeleteSorry, but there was vote switching. No way did PA and MI got to Trump.
DeleteOh 10:55, there was no vote switching. Clinton failed to campaign effectively for votes in MI, WI and PA. The ads were horrible. She dismissed them as a done deal "firewall". Loss of those states was due to miscalculation by the campaign.
Delete10:47 She beat him by about 1,000,000 more votes than you are saying. Either you are lying or uninformed. Probably both.
Deletehardy whiny ass, trump told us the election was rigged, turned out he was right for once.
Deletethe republicans have thrown civility out the door for years, time they got a taste of their own medicine.
12:52 - The vote count at CNN 6:04 PM today is Trump 60,265,858, Clinton 60,839,922 = 574,064. 574,064 in 121 million is .47% David Wasserman at Cook political report has it at Trump 60,477,537 Clinton 61,177,458 or 699,000 difference = .57%
DeleteSo no, she doesn't have a million more votes than what I said. You're the one who's uninformed. And fuck you for calling me a liar.
Problem is, there is no moving on with this sociopath, only moving backwards. Bind your own fucking wounds.
Delete@ 11:18 I live in Mi and her ads were great.
DeleteTrump spent all his time in traditional republican/teabagger areas. Also the secretary of state is a republican.
She did lose a lot of votes because folks that supported Obama sat home, I guess they understand what legacy means.
That being said, I still say some fishy stuff went on in MI.
Hmm, I think some votes went missing. The numbers in some counties are diff than.....hmmm strange. Maybe I'm missing something.
Delete"Maybe I'm missing something."
DeleteYes, the proper concepts of logic and reality to understand that Trump won the Presidential election.
Clinton up almost 400K in popular vote as ballots continue to be counted
ReplyDeletehttp://www.rawstory.com/2016/11/clinton-up-almost-400k-in-popular-vote-as-ballots-continue-to-be-counted/
Last I saw, Hillary was ahead of Drumpf by 574,064. Gore had 543,897 more votes than Bush. That was mind-blowing back in 2000, and now H is more than 30,000 votes ahead of Drumpf
ReplyDeleteShe's up a million more now-they think it will hit two million.https://www.change.org/p/electoral-college-electors-electoral-college-make-hillary-clinton-president-on-december 19?
DeleteThere are 3.5 MILLION signatures on this now..let's make it 5, or 10!
Tiny URL for this link:
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"She's up a million more now"
DeleteShe is not! These sources that are updated today say otherwise. Stop spreading misinformation and calling people liars.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/1/d/133Eb4qQmOxNvtesw2hdVns073R68EZx4SfCnP4IGQf8/htmlview?sle=true#gid=19
http://www.cnn.com/election/results/president
10:54 - that's the signatures on the petition, not the difference in the election day vote count. Pull your head out of your butt.
DeleteI've been doing the same thing, IM! potus when referring to Trump and POTUS when referencing qualified and able presidents such as Bill Clinton and Barack Obama!
ReplyDeleteDonald Trump doesn't deserve respect from any of us....he's truly deplorable and is going to be a horrid president!
Trump will be a part time know nothing thin skinned short fingered 3 a.m. tweeting fool of a President for the next four years.
ReplyDeleteHe will also disappoint his rabid followers bigly. He's already waffling and just about all his red meat talking points were just cons to get the con elected.
When he does start to sort of kind of understanding anything, regardless of how fleeting that moment of clarity will be, it will go just fry his poor brain.
The Affordable Care Act is going to throw him into contortions and as a matter of fact, they've already started.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/11/12/donald-trump-is-beginning-to-face-a-rude-awakening-over-obamacare/
Obamacare signups skyrocket after Donald Trump's election
ReplyDeletehttp://www.cbsnews.com/news/obamacare-signups-skyrocket-after-donald-trumps-election/
You should have heard one of the Republican - pro Trump - TV folks this morning when it was pointed out to them that Hillary was winning the popular vote by a huge margin over Trump.
ReplyDeleteThey quickly negated it saying that was not how a potus is elected in our country! And, that Donald Trump had won, the proper way!
I'm still so upset that we don't have our first female POTUS, Hillary Clinton. She would have done an outstanding job!
No, President Obama did not green light Dakota Pipeline
ReplyDeletehttp://usuncut.com/climate/obama-dakota-pipeline/
He casually said in an interview that he would let the whole thing "play out".
DeleteSeems mighty concerned about the peaceful water protectors getting their heads beat in by the cops who're protecting a corporation
The shortest and most powerful explanation of Trump’s victory I have ever seen
ReplyDeletehttp://usuncut.com/politics/shortest-explanation-why-trump-won/
Oh just stop with the rationalization and appeasement of people who would LET a racist misogynist bigotted pig get elected as a president for any reason whatsoever. With their votes, they are essentially saying that their issues are more important than the fundamental principle on which this country was built - that all men are created equal. The president is a mirror of the people. And the people of this country have said loud and clear for the world to hear that THEY DO NOT CARE ABOUT EQUAL RIGHTS.
DeleteSo fuck anyone who didn't vote against Trump.
DNC in Mutiny as Staffer Explodes on Donna Brazile for Helping Elect Trump
ReplyDelete...“Why should we trust you as chair to lead us through this?” he asked, according to two people in the room. “You backed a flawed candidate, and your friend [ousted DNC chair Debbie Wasserman Schultz] plotted through this to support your own gain and yourself,” Zach said.
After staffers started booing Zach and tried to get him to sit, Zach then escalated his attack on Brazile, saying the Democratic Party’s 2016 drubbing will likely lead to mass extinction.
“You are part of the problem,” Zach said. “You and your friends will die of old age and I’m going to die from climate change. You and your friends let this happen, which is going to cut 40 years off my life expectancy.”
http://usuncut.com/politics/dnc-mutiny-staffers-explode-donna-brazile/
Like a death
ReplyDelete...Donald Trump and the Republican Party are in a position to do continuing damage to this country, to tear us apart in ways we don't yet know. They can inflict loss after loss upon us. But as with a death, we can't take it in all at once. We can only keep putting one foot in front of the other, feeling our way through an altered landscape and trying to find—or create—a path to something better.
http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/11/12/1596401/-Like-a-death
TX coach on Trump's win: 'I’m a rich white guy, and I'm sick to my stomach thinking about it'
ReplyDelete“I’m a rich white guy, and I’m sick to my stomach thinking about it. I can’t imagine being a Muslim right now, or a woman, or an African American, a Hispanic, a handicapped person. How disenfranchised they might feel.”
http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/11/11/1597347/-Gregg-Popovich-on-Trump-s-win-I-m-a-rich-white-guy-and-I-m-sick-to-my-stomach-thinking-about-it
Did anybody catch any of those images and videos coming out of the Capitol and White House yesterday? To my eye, Trump looked like a train wreck survivor. He walked slowly through the halls, mostly looking down at his feet, and kept almost a death grip on Melania’s hand, like he was hanging over the edge of a lifeboat. I think I saw him smile once, and that was when he cut off the reporters from questions, and even that smile looked almost wistful. Even when Paul Ryan took him out onto the Speakers balcony to describe his inauguration to him, he wasn’t tall and proud, he nodded his head and his shoulders seemed slumped, as if under a tremendous weight.
ReplyDeleteWelcome to reality Donnie. And no, I don’t mean the t.v. kind of reality you babbling poltroon, I mean the kind of reality the rest of us live with every day. Reality t.v. is great, you strut into a room, sit in your high backed chair, scowl at everybody and snarl insults at all and sundry, until the part where you point your finger at one of them and angrily say “You’re fired”! And they just lower their eyes and nod their heads, good little sheep that they are.
Not anymore fool, not in 70 days. Yesterday you just met your worst nightmare. People who aren’t scared of you, nor intimidated by you. News flash laddie, you can’t fire Mitch McConnell or Paul Ryan, and you can’t order them around like the myriad of minions over in Trump Tower. These guys are going to eat you up and spit you out. You may not have a clue as to what you can actually do as President, but they know perfectly well everything you can and can’t do, and every single thing that they can do. Good luck stiffing them if you don’t like the quality of their work, the people pay them, not you, you have no leverage there either.
http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/11/11/1596839/-Trump-finally-learns-the-difference
So funny that you mention Trump holding Melania's hand. I was so surprised to see it and couldn't remember him ever showing any kind of sweet PDA toward her, just the requisite hugs and kisses that could be given to anyone and also some stilted looking non-embraces. So I googled to see if there was anything more on them having a history of hand holding. I didn't search for long, but I found nothing. Yeah, him holding a woman's hand was something that really stood out to me. And death grip was it, yes. His hands are so fugly. So white and smooth and stubby and girthy. He has no distinction between the palm and his wrists--there's just a blending of the two. So gross.
DeleteDon't let his demeanor fool you. Donald Trump is a narcisstic sociopath playing the game a sociopath plays: feigning humility, seeking to draw in and manipulate people to benefit himself. Once he gets the lay of the land - and he's smart, he'll catch on quickly - he'll leave a swath of rejected helpers behind. Ryan and McConnell and other Repugs are licking their chops that they're the ones who are going to be able to manipulate this neophyte into fulfilling their agenda. I think they're in for a big surprise. The narcissist wants to be adored. Once he realizes that many parts of their agenda - privatizing Medicare and SS, getting rid of even the parts of Obamacare that people like - could make him less popular, I think he'll balk.
DeleteTrump's going to do his own thing, not be led around by the Swamp dwellers he promised to get rid of. And Ryan and Mcconnell are the swampiest of swamp dwellers. So while he's probably going to do some things that terrify us, he's probably going to do some things that terrify them too. Ryan and McConnell are no different from the 17 seasoned Republicans Trump sliced and diced in the primaries. If there's any eating up and spitting out that goes on, it's going to be by Trump on them.
The Fox and the Gingerbread Man, exactly. Aesops Fables...feigns indifference and then--!
Delete10:48, the hands description, I'm dying.
DeleteQuestion: What will it take to get rid of the Electoral College? Is it simply demands of the people, or does it take a Constitutional Amendment? If the latter... Good luck! Virtually impossible - especially right now, with the GOP on their high...
ReplyDeleteThe Electoral College is embodied in Article 2, Section 1 of the Constitution and in the 12th Amendment. We change the Constitution and its amendments by amending it. I agree with you: good luck with that. The US is a representative republic, not a democracy.
DeleteAmericans must demand that the Federal Election Committee produce a new ballot and count. WE THE PEOPLE cannot trust the current results. It is false. And this must be redone. PERIOD. DEMAND IT. AND DONT STOP DEMANDING IT. Trump, snowden and the Russians f ing rigged it. I will never accept the liars and cheats results.
ReplyDeleteRegardless of any failures on Hillary's part, the sudden tide in the vote counts in the swing states was awfully suspect to me on election night. Something felt off, like it was a manipulation. I am not unable to accept that there could have been a change, but as it happened it felt off.
DeleteYou and me both.Something is very fishy when all the polls had her winning. Very fishy.
DeleteOh come on people. The "surges" in the vote totals we saw on election night were from when counties published their mail-in and early voting counts. Instead of dribbling in precinct by precinct after the polls closed, the mail-in and early votes totals that were tabulated during the day were released in one or two large batches. Jesus Christ learn something about the process before you go all CT.
DeleteI signed the petition to get the Electors to change this-totally legal. They can vote for the best person, no matter what their state did.
ReplyDeleteMe too.
DeleteNo they can't all vote how they want. Electors from some states are bound by state law to vote according to the results in the state. Others are bound by pledges to their party. Many/most of the electors hold leadership positions in their party. The probability is very low that enough would flip to give the election to Clinton. And then the elector college votes have to be certified by the Congress. If the electors flip, the Congress could decline to certify and elect the President and VP themselves. The outcome would be obvious in a Republican controlled House and Senate. This is a waste of time and energy.
DeleteIt is not a waste of time.
DeleteA petition is a fucking waste of time. The electoral college can't be eliminated with a petition.
DeleteThank you for saying that G. I listened to them say Obama was not their president for 8 years. Glad to return the favor. I know Obama would want us to go higher but those days are done. No thanks. The Republicans don't mind going down as far as the devil. Already, people are seeing Trump supporters using his hate platform to discriminate against minorities. I knew hate trumped love in this case, so we have to figure a way to survive this. It's gonna get worst before better. Humans are very vindictive. Especially unhealthy Americans with slight mental challenges who have listened to the likes of Alex Jones. Their brains are firing. I thought they and Trump would have strokes but that didn't happen. And let me add that I believe that the Koch Bros. bought this election like they had told Hillary they would. They are funders of the Heritage Foundation and the likes, and they sound like a value bases op but they are a greedy money based base. Don't let the lies let you believe otherwise.
ReplyDeleteI'm glad to return the favor too. I felt this way when I sat through the Gore/Bush recount. I still get angry when I re-see those images of supposedly regular voters storming the building where the recount was happening. Those were Bush/Cheney plants. But this thing with Trump is far worse. I will never accept that he is the pres. I know legally he will be, but I will never ever refer to him as pres. Everything that the people I respect in this country said about him holds true. They still believe it's true and we know it. It is impossible to respect Trump.
DeleteThe wrongness of this whole thing is a heavy burden. Wow it hurts. I still want to wake up and learn that I was dreaming. I want the fingerprints of those who pulled this off -- Putin? Koch Bros? -- to be revealed. But with that R Congress and conservatively reconstituted court, how do you do anything with an investigation? This just stinks more and more of dictator every single day.
DeleteBut, please get back your wits because the pus grabbers are going to do things every day, we must be ready. Get your head clear and think.
DeleteAnon at 11:10 am. At some point early on during Bush's first term, I came in remote contact with one of the "fake Dade Co." residents. A young woman who had worked in Michigan's on-the-way-out Republican governor's administration, she was one of a large group of GOP employees/operatives sent from all over to Florida to rant and rave and demand whatever it was that they were demanding. What they did brought the recount to an end and handed the election to the likes of Scalia and Thomas. The media could have easily figured it out if they had done some investigative journalism. The participants, from everywhere except Dade Co. Florida, were having a lark! For this young woman, too, it was a joke, just another typical GOP "dirty trick" - only this one led to 9/11, the invasion of a country that was not responsible for 9/11, a seemingly unending war, most of the Middle Eastern chaos that persists to this day, tens of thousands (if not many more) deaths and injuries, the disruption of millions of lives, and here ultimately to the real estate collapse that began in Florida and ended up almost destroying the US economy. Some joke. Thanks, media.
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Comey really did elect Trump. Here's the data that shows it.
ReplyDeletehttp://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/11/11/1596764/-Comey-really-did-elect-Trump-Here-s-the-data-that-shows-it
Trump’s Data Team Saw a Different America—and They Were Right
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-11-10/trump-s-data-team-saw-a-different-america-and-they-were-right
Exactly, why if there was known russia comm with trump, why didn't fbi put that out? Full disclosure on both sides. I would be pissed putting 5 million and come to find out comey withheld the cons communications. I will obtain my money one way or another.
DeleteGoogle "putin trump" and you'll see a # of links about their coming phone call and how Putin is said to have written a "beautiful" letter to Trump and you'll see Esquire's article on how the Putin/Trump communication during the campaign should be being covered bigly by the MSM but isn't.
ReplyDeleteIn his column today Dana Milbank reported some stats from CNN's exit polling done last Tuesday:
ReplyDelete-29 percent of Trump voters were bothered by his treatment of women;
- 20 percent of Trump voters said he did not have the temperament to be president;
- 21 percent of Trump voters said he is neither honest nor trustworthy;
- 14 percent of Trump voters said they would have a negative view of his election.
Generally, according to the CNN exit polls, voters do not want a wall constructed on the border with Mexico, only 25 percent want illegal immigrants deported, voters do not want Obamacare or free trade ended (people, other than Trump, seem to understand that tariffs will hurt us more than "them").
So why did people vote for Trump? Mostly because of the emails (God help us, please), worries about the economy (fact: the economy always does better when Democrats lead the country) and fear of terrorism (who was in office on 9/11/2001 exactly?
Wouldn't it be wonderful to have an electorate that understood that its not a bad thing to be concerned about one's own "best interests." They're propbably the same "best interests" of the entire population, no matter what age, region, education, ethnicity or religion. If we got the chance to learn about one another we might do better in this "one Nation under God, with liberty and justice for all."
Beaglemom
I read that too and thought how could you vote for someone if you feel that way about your candidate??WTF is wrong with people.STUPID People.
DeleteWhy I Don’t Accept Donald Trump as My President: A Letter to the Electors
ReplyDeletehttp://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/11/12/1597689/-Why-I-Don-t-Accept-Donald-Trump-as-My-President-A-Letter-to-the-Electors
Trump may be considering torture architect for CIA chief. Feel safer now?
ReplyDeletehttp://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/11/11/1597266/-Open-thread-for-night-owls-Trump-may-be-considering-torture-architect-for-CIA-chief-Feel-safer-now
The crazy ass republicans in congress don't want trump, they will impeach him as soon as he takes office if the usa people don't demand new and real election before...they want crazy dence pence, the unelected and most radical of all. And oddly trumps hands the entire clown car to him. Hmmm? lots going on behind the scenes.
ReplyDeleteThe word from attorneys is that trump will break the law in office and be impeached. But? He broke the law to even get in office? Doesn't that count at all? I mean? how can his words and action prior to, during and after not disqualify this person along with his fake staff.
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ReplyDeleteAnonymous10:41 AM said:
9:30, you show your stupidity every time you fail to comment directly under the correct post. IDIOT!
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Anonymous 10:41 are you the "FTCDUTCPIP"?
"Fail To Comment Directly Under The Correct Post IDIOT Police"?
Fuc_ Off IDIOT
Waste of time, electoral college route? Yeah tell Rosa Parks it is a waste of time, tell all those who stood up, they were wasting their time. Oh I have a special pie for you. Just saying we got to push it. Act on it. You don't think the cat grabbers are tryin to figure out how to dump trump themselves, he is a very stupid old old fat man.
ReplyDeleteYou're comparing 'signing' an online petition to what Rosa Parks did? Good grief. What a special snowflake you must be to think sitting on your ass and pushing a button on your computer compares to what she or anyone else who has ever risked their safety or life to really stand up for something. I bet you think you're as brave as the folks who crossed that bridge in Selma.
DeleteClinton's Popular-Vote Lead
ReplyDeleteWill Grow, and Grow, and Grow
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/11/clintons-popular-vote-lead-will-grow-and-grow/507455/
But let’s be clear: While these uncounted votes may grow Clinton’s popular lead, they absolutely will not change the course of the election. That math is settled; Trump holds an insurmountable lead in swing states, which turned his popular defeat into a sizable electoral victory. All the votes in liberal-leaning New York and California will not change that.
However, these ballots will knock the legs out beneath the argument that Clinton failed to mobilize Democrats. Yes, she’s no Obama in 2008. (Neither was Obama in 2012.) But county-by-county results indicate Democratic voters flipped for Trump, not that they stayed home. “We just saw massive shifts in the industrial midwest from ’12 to ’16, and those are the same voters,” Wasserman said. This is the conclusion Democrats must face, and in the absence of other data, it’s the one they’ll have to live with."