Sunday, December 18, 2016

Here is the final election vote tally.

I confirmed these numbers over at the Cook Report. They are only off by a small handful, not enough to make much of a difference.

Using either set of numbers it appears that Hillary Clinton lost this election with a lead of just slightly under 2,865,000 votes.

And I mean JUST under.

As Donald Trump would say, "That is unpresidented."

But what it really means that just a handful less than 3 million more people voted for Hillary Clinton than voted for the Orange stubby fingered Orangutan.

In other words Trump has no mandate, and in fact if there is any mandate at all it is to fight him every step of the way and then make sure nothing like this ever happens again.

Oh and one more thing, since the combined totals for Stein and Johnson are just shy of 6 million votes, more than enough to have kept Trump out of the White House, perhaps these childish amateurs who selfishly vote third party will finally recognize how important it is to participate in the REAL election process.

A lesson by the way that most Americans should have learned way back in 2000.


  1. Anonymous11:58 AM

    Voted for Stein or Johnson? Enjoy your facist, pussy grabber and his porn star wife for four years.

    And forget about ever getting Medicare or Social Security, thanks to your billionaire populist!

    1. If you'd have just given us a reasonable candidate, we wouldn't be stuck with the pussy grabber. Some of us didn't want the other pussy grabber's wife to be president. I will never vote knowingly for a pussy grabber or a pussy grabber's enabler.

    2. Anonymous4:17 AM

      You sound like the fascist, dictating to us all who we should 'vote' for, 11:58.

      We need MORE than a 2 or 3 party system.

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  3. Anonymous12:18 PM

    And if the "never Hillary" had not voted for thr indies, her llead would have been close to 9 million. NINE.
    Yes, Hil was unpresidented.

  4. Anonymous12:23 PM

    Third party: I'm just sick about it. We saw this coming. Didn't think it would matter. Fools.

    FBI and emails: just sick-making

    Putin: ditto. A long history of this kind of interference by russia, just never so blatant, never her. Sickening.

    Cabinet picks: we are turning into an oligarchy, with the 1% ogling multi-million-$ houses, and the rest of us left in the mud. Sickening.

    Trump tweets.

    Trump tax returns that show how indebted he is to Russian and Chinese money.

    Trump IQ, so low that he can tweet "unprecedented." Take calls fr Taiwan with no inkling of its symbolism.

    Trump history of business practices of cheating, stiffing the little guy, evicting the innocent, going bankrupt, selling fraudulent stuff.

    Oh please Electoral College; do the right thing tomorrow. Please please do the right thing.

    1. Anonymous12:48 PM

      Oh, sorry for typos in the above comment. Is it my despair? Or is it a too-aggressive spell-checker. I bet y'all know what I meant. I am hoping SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO hard for the Electors to do the right thing tomorrow.

  5. Anonymous12:24 PM

    Dear Lord please help us from Satan's army.

    Please guide the Electoral College to not vote for #NOTOURPRESIDENT (Trump).

    Thank you Lord

    1. Anonymous12:51 PM

      Yes. Please.

    2. Anonymous2:55 PM

      There is no gods, what you should have done was spend some time knocking on doors instead of praying.

  6. Anonymous12:45 PM

    And, here is what those counts mean:

    A MINORITY voted for Trump: 46.7%,

    What THE MAJORITY voted against him: 53.3%

    That is NO MANDATE, no way, no how.

    Unfortunately, the way the votes fell, he won the Electoral College, unless they have been paying attention and know he will harm their country so badly that they do the right thing and call their election for the true winner, the woman for whom about 3 million more Americans voted than voted for Trump. No Mandate for Trump no matter what he says, and we all have to keep saying that over and over to all those silly enough to buy his distortions of the truth of this election outcome.

    1. Anonymous1:30 PM

      Yes, republicans are liars and have a short memory therefore it is crucial we repeat over and over there is no mandate and he lost the popular vote bigly.

    2. Anonymous2:03 PM

      You are so correct 1:30 PM. Republicans will continue skewing these statistics and we need to keep responding in kind and referencing the 'true and factual' information! Hillary Clinton beat the crap out of asshole, Donald Trump, and he'll try to negate those numbers until he is impeached!

      I so detest him and the Republican party - they have ALL truly shown us the underbelly of America and it's not enjoyable to see or hear!

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    1. Anonymous1:32 PM

      Where is his 3 AM tweet that SNL is a crappy program?

      HA HA, they got him on the Vanity fair tweet.

    2. Anonymous2:54 PM

      @anon 1:32pm
      He was too busy on a phone call w/ Putin.

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  14. Anonymous2:21 PM

    Trump spokesman Jason Miller said that discrimination will not be tolerated:

    “President-elect Trump campaigned on a message of unity in order to bring all Americans together. To think that discrimination of any kind will be condoned or tolerated in a Trump Administration is simply absurd.”

    1. I'm sorry, maybe I wasn't paying close attention to Trump's campaign messages, rallies, tweets, speeches and administration cabinet and miscellaneous other appointment picks, was that bringing America together? Was he preaching unity and not hate? Maybe I was watching the wrong channel?

    2. Oh yes Mr Trump I see you are showing unity, we'll maybe not? President-elect Trump how are you showing unity by hiring White Nationalist chief strategist Steven Bannon who will be sitting on your shoulder whispering in your ear?

    Trump's administration can't get any whiter and more divisive.

    1. Anonymous4:06 PM

      Trump's notion of "unity" means marching in unison, wearing uniforms and singing "sieg Heil, Donald." There is nothing about inclusion of all people in Trumpland.

  15. Anonymous2:23 PM

    White nationalists say Bannon's hiring is a signal that Trump will follow through on some of his more controversial policy positions. "I think that's excellent," former Ku Klux Klan leader David Duke told CNN's KFile. White nationalist leaders are praising Donald Trump's selections.

  16. Anonymous2:53 PM

    While I am not against people voting for a third party, I do think this election was different than those in the past. We knew outright that this election would be an election that the winner sent a supreme court nominee to the bench.
    I do think most 3rd party voters would rather have a more middle of the road/liberal leaning justice than not.
    While I do think there was election fraud by Russia involved if only the 3rd party voters would have leaned left I doubt that many votes would have been tampered with.
    Now we are stuck with tRump.
    Can I survive? Yes, I have enough of a retirement plan that doesn't involve or it's stock market.
    Will the middle class survive? Personally I doubt it, though it may, but there will be declining numbers.
    I can survive but can you?

  17. Anonymous3:13 PM

    Amazing! Someone votes their conscience and you call them childish and blame your candidates loss on them. To bad you don't understand the Constitution and how to win the White House. You liberals haven't stopped crying since the election. Just get out of politics! You obviously don't understand how it works, CRYBABY!!

    1. Anonymous4:35 PM

      "Your conscience" was OK with risking your country with trump for president. You now seem to be unconcerned or satisfied with the results of the election. So take your "conscience" and shove it up your ass.

  18. Sorry but there were Five presidential tickets on my ballot plus write in.

    It is unfair and un-AMERICAN to single out Stein and Johnson, and McMullin for that matter, as being spoilers. They have a right to run. Anyone has a right to run.

    There is no mandate that we are only a two party country. Nor is there a mandate that you either have to vote for the Democrat or the Republican. Or vote at all.

    There is also no guarantee that the votes that went to Johnson, Stein and the others would have gone to Hillary. If they split the vote, Hillary would still lose. If Stein's votes went to Hillary and Johnson's went to Trump, she'd still lose. Because it's the electoral college.

    In fact, if all of Johnson's went to Trump she would have lost the popular vote too.

    Trump did not win because of the third party candidates and Hillary did not lose because of them. There have always been third party candidates. We've had Libertarians and Green Party for years. My ballot also included Peace and Freedom and three write ins, Evan McMullin being one of them. In my county he got more votes than the Peace and Freedom candidate. I think my Mother, the Republican, voted for him.

    There has been a lot of analysis about how Hillary lost. None of it says because of Bernie or the third party candidates. Get real. You really think Mr. "What Is Aleppo?" cost Hillary votes?

    1. Anonymous4:14 PM

      The 3rd party bitching is the funniest part of Gryphen's repetitive and not very well thought out Argument.

      As you said, if all of Johnson's votes went to the Republican ticket, and all Stein's votes went to Hillary, Hillary would have lost both the Electoral AND the popular vote. And that is the reality.

      Something to think about when you are whining about Hillary's popular vote count. The majority popular vote in the country, voted the right side of the isle, and that is the reality.

    2. Excellent points mlaiuppa.

    3. Anonymous12:53 AM

      All of you keep talking as if all of Johnson's votes would have gone to Trump. He was socially liberal and so was his running mate. They appealed to a whole lot of Dems. Johnson's votes would have split between Hillary and Trump--and I believe more would have gone to Hillary than Trump--and almost all of Stein's would have gone to Hillary. And this would have ensured a Hillary victory. Period.

    4. Anonymous4:21 AM

      People voted for a third party candidate because they didn't want to vote for either candidate put forth by the 2 powers that be. And that's American as hell. Or it's supposed to be.

    5. Anonymous5:40 AM

      12:53 you have have zero idea what you are talking about. Libertarians are republicans that are both financially conservative and the true social conservatives. They don't want government involved in either the right OR left social matters.

      However there are few Libertarians that would ever ever vote Democrat, and certainly not big government Hillary Democrat.

      So anyways, grow a brain dumbass at 12:53, as you know nothing.

  19. Anonymous3:59 PM

    M.M. Final plea

  20. You really have to go back to the state level to see if the votes for third party candidates would make a difference. Most of Clinton's popular vote margin came from CA where third party votes would make no difference.

  21. Anonymous4:04 PM

    My young hairdresser whom I like very much told me that she had voted third party. She sounded somewhat abashed when she said it.

    Well, she should have thought about the consequences. I talked to her about politics a bit when I saw her in late October and told her that Hillary Clinton was not the "evil one" portrayed on Fox News and in much of the news media. I told her to look at what HRC was proposing because it all made sense and would be helpful to young adults as well as older folks. Well, I guess she didn't.

    Last week when I saw her, I also told her about my personal concerns about Social Security, Medicare, Obamacare and Medicaid under the incoming administration. Like many people my hairdresser had never put it all together and didn't know that the GOP now held all the power and that the programs mentioned above were just live targets for them. Health care will be an issue for her because she is single, has ongoing health concerns and could lose her insurance. In the end, she is much like the folks in Kentucky who had never thought about repercussions of foolish voting.

    1. Anonymous7:16 PM

      I always appreciate your thoughtful comments Beaglemom and I commend you for speaking to your young hairdresser, whom you like very much.

      You are correct when you say she should have thought about the consequences. Even those of us who are older, retired and healthy will have problems surviving the Drumpf administration unscathed. This young woman doesn't stand a chance and she has the added psychic burden (maybe) of knowing that she has brought this disaster on herself.

    2. Anonymous5:36 AM

      Yes, this one young woman hairdresser is absolutely personally responsible to carry the burden of all the world ills!


      You old lady Democrats and your age addled imaginations are HILarious.

  22. Anonymous4:19 PM

    I blame the fact that majority of young voting age voters are people only getting their news from the smarty farty phone. They are not watching world news in evenings. They get the radical fox no news or fake jones or rush limballs. They work long hours and do not want to hear lousy news. The tainted twisted media outlets dishing the sway are shameful.

    1. Anonymous12:43 AM

      I saw some really interesting stuff on CNN tonight about Russia and they are going to be reporting about the goings-on there and with Putin there and elsewhere every day for a while, they said, but of course too many people are not getting their news from the better sources these days or they'll catch some decent TV news but not commit to watching at length and hearing enough.

  23. Anonymous4:21 PM

    Republicans defunded our infrastructure, and security and allowed the Russians to hack our citizens. It is cause for ethic and treason charges.

  24. Stein and Johnson voters cost Hillary the election? Get over yourself.

    How about this. There were 146,311,000 registered voters this election but only 129,235,000 voted. That means over 17,000,000 registered voters didn't vote. Also there were 218,959,000 Americans eligible to vote this election but only 146,311,000 bothered to get registered and only 129,235,000 bothered to vote. That means 72,648,000 didn't bother to get registered, and a grand total of 89,724,000 of eligible voters didn't vote. So maybe they had a little something to do with Hillary's loss. Or maybe Hillary is part of a system that has gotten so screwed up, that people don't believe their vote matters any more.

    But to blame it on people who bothered to register and to vote is just plain ludicrous. An election is meant to be a free expression of your support. It's not about bullying people into voting for your favored candidate or against your perceived villain.

    Hell, even if those (just shy of six million who cast votes for Johnson and Stein had voted for Hillary or Trump instead of one of the third party candidates, there is no guarantee it would have changed the results. If percentages stayed the same as the bulk of the votes, Trump may have still won in the electoral college. Depends on which states those votes were cast in. You are just assuming they would have all gone to Hillary and it would have changed the outcome. But a lot of those third party votes were made by people who couldn't stomach voting for Hillary in the first place. Otherwise, they would have.

    Again, it says a lot about how poor of a candidate Hillary really was that Trump was even in the race. Hillary certainly didn't inspire all of those eligible voters to come out and support her. That's on her. She just expected a coronation, not an election.

    1. Anonymous4:24 AM

      She lost this time around to a candidate who has the Worst rating in history.
      She lost the 2008 primary to a black guy with a Muslim name. Will she run again?

  25. Anonymous12:40 AM

    We'll never know for sure, but I won't use that as an easy reason to say that Hillary lost because she was a bad candidate. There are facts that shows how Stein and Johnson affected the race. Sure Hillary wasn't perfect, but there was so many bizarre things coming at her all year long and these are what made sure that she didn't win. Add Johnson and Stein to that.

    1. Anonymous4:26 AM

      That's so cute! You think CNN is a reputable news source. Is Lewandowski still on their payroll?


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