“Since the liar is free to fashion his ‘facts’ to fit the profit and pleasure, or even the mere expectations, of his audience, the chances are that he will be more persuasive than the truth teller.”
That is a 1967 quote from Hannah Arendt included in this WaPo article which may help to explain Trump's bizarre popularity more than just about anything else.
Since Donald Trump fashions his message for the audience he is addressing, and tells them what they want to hear, they could not care less if it is all bullshit or not.
Somebody is speaking their language, reinforcing their prejudices, and essentially complimenting them on their lack of education and poor critical thinking skills.
It must feel like heaven to them.
This from the article:
First, quasi-fired Trump campaign manager Corey Lewandowski at Harvard University, making the astonishing assertion that the media’s failing during the campaign was not that it scorned Trump — it was that it believed him.
“You guys took everything that Donald Trump said so literally,” he said. “The American people didn’t. They understood it. They understood that sometimes — when you have a conversation with people . . . you’re going to say things, and sometimes you don’t have all the facts to back it up.”
Translation: The press expected their future president to tell the truth, and that was just silly of them.
Trump supporters however did not care about the truth, only that what was said made them feel validated.
Another example:
Second, this eye-popping assertion from Trump supporter/CNN commentator Scottie Nell Hughes on the Diane Rehm Show:
“People that say that facts are facts — they’re not really facts . . . there’s no such thing, unfortunately, anymore of facts. And so Mr. Trump’s tweet amongst a certain crowd . . . are truth.”
Translation: The truth is no longer determined by facts, but rather by who said it and the number of people who are willing to accept it without scrutiny.
Then there was this:
Finally, the president-elect himself, who at a rally to celebrate his successful bribing of Carrier to keep some jobs in the United States, explained that he was impelled to act by a Carrier-employed supporter who had been naive enough to take Trump’s promises seriously.
Watching the evening news, Trump said, he saw the Carrier worker say “‘No, we’re not leaving, because Donald Trump promised us that we’re not leaving,’ and I never thought I made that promise. Not with Carrier.”
Then, Trump said, “they played my statement, and I said, ‘Carrier will never leave.’ But that was a euphemism. I was talking about Carrier like all other companies from here on in.”
So now we know that if Trump is caught in a lie by a supporter, he will simply fabricate another lie to cover for that lie.
This the reporter behind this article labels "truthphemisms."
And THAT is what it will be like to report on a Donald Trump presidency for the next four years.
Fact checking will have no value, and lies will only matter once they pile up high enough to tumble over the wall of ignorance his supporters have erected to protect themselves from the truth.
In the meantime those of us firmly planted in actual reality will stare aghast at virtually every decision made Trump and his "Cabinet of Deplorables" while actively trying to find a future candidate with the skill set to repair the damage left behind by this administration.
Hopefully there will still be something left for them to repair.
Because Hillary Clinton is not an honest person. About anything.
ReplyDeleteI used to criticize Hill about that, but she is a goddess compared to Trump. Many unjust lying accusations were leveled at Hill during the campaign, and on Trump's side, not enough of his multiple multiple multiple lies were identified as such. Did I say multiple? Yes.
DeleteAs others have pointed out, we are in a post-fact, post-data world now. When Trump says a blatant lie, I sense that his supporters are happy that he has a sassy comeback, and it's fine if it is a total lie.
Sigh.
Hillary Clinton was NEVER the badass she was made out to be. She would have been the best choice in this go around and it will be sadly proven.
DeleteI voted for her - respect her and think her an outstanding American. Too bad I can't say the same for Donald Trump! He IS the devil and will bring massive harm upon our country and world!
America is going to be brought down and we'll have no one to blame but ourselves. China and Russia will overcome us.....Trump will assist them and hopefully he dies a very painful death!
The rest of us are assuredly going to suffer and loose what we once knew and thought was secure! It's not! Be prepared as best you can be!
Fact checkers during the campaign always gave Hillary Clinton high marks for telling the truth. Not the same story for Trump though.
DeleteBeaglemom
dick FUCKing Cheney>
ReplyDeletehttp://www.rawstory.com/2016/12/dick-cheney-tells-cnn-reporter-trumps-twitter-account-means-we-dont-need-you-guys-anymore/
I don't do Twitter and I don't give a shit what he Tweets.
DeleteI see Trudeau is hated in Western Canada for nasty flip flops and he's still distrusted for his asskissing of both China and Cuban regimes. Poor Canada.
ReplyDeleteWe are not alone in resisting this POS:
ReplyDeletehttp://news.groopspeak.com/a-woman-just-stood-up-to-trumps-latest-outburst-on-twitter-and-america-is-cheering-her-on/
I see 11:12 and 11:42 don't seem to want to keep on subject about what an incredibly bad liar Trump is.
ReplyDeleteMy favorite in the last forty-eight hours is him lying about Taiwan. When Taiwan said the call was arranged he lied on them and said they called him. It would be funny if he wasn't such an incredible eff up who very soon will start getting people killed..
The minute he tweeted "They called ME." you know he called them.
DeleteWhat's Taiwan going to do? Get in a Twitter war with the next president of the United States?
Did not.
Did too.
Did not!
Did TOO!
Get over it. President Trump is our president.
ReplyDelete“We are not meant to live in shame and weakness and disgrace”
“We were not meant to beg for moral validation from some of the most despicable creatures to ever populate the planet.”
“Hail, Trump!
Hail, our people!
Hail, victory!”
Raise your arms in Nazi salutes.
Go to some other blog you fucking Hitler and Trump lover! Show your face as we'd love to come after you!
DeleteHe is not our president until the Electors vote, and until Congress confirms. Until then, he is president-elect, but not president.
Delete@12:04 The election is over, trump doesn't need you illiterate morons anymore.
DeleteOff to the camps, you go.
Being president of the United States of America is a big responsibility and headache.
ReplyDeleteWhy would a billionaire with properties in numerous countries want such a headache?
Standing up for America's rights in other countries can ruin a billionaire's business opportunities and interests with foreign government run businesses.
Money.
DeleteHe sees personal profit in it.
$$$$$$
ReplyDeleteInternet:
Despite all of that, on October 20 just a few weeks prior to the election, Trump Hotel Collection CEO Eric Danziger showed up to a hospitality conference in Hong Kong, and that's where he told the Hong Kong newspaper that Trump Hotel Collection plans to build 20 to 30 Trump Hotels in major Chinese cities in the coming years.
Until impeached this shitgibbon is going to spread havoc. Dominionist Pence will be a different kind of worst... just as frightening.
ReplyDeleteNo one will build more fear in me of Pence over Trump. Trump will need to be impeached and then we'll deal w/Pence if THAT need arises!
DeleteAll I know is that our future is far from bright and I'm already seeing neighbor against neighbor...hate, fear, racism, Asians moving into my close neighborhood and some not happy about it, etc.
Be ready America as things are only going to get worse.
$$$$$$
ReplyDeleteInternet:
INSKEEP: And it's also been reported by The New York Times that he owes hundreds of millions of dollars in loans to the Bank of China. Is that also state-owned?
SCHMITZ: Yes, of course. That is one of the big banks of China, and he owes that for a building that was built in Manhattan.
INSKEEP: OK, so given everything you've said, Rob Schmitz, how might it affect China's relations with this incoming president, particularly since, so far he's declined to draw a bright line between his business and public affairs?
SCHMITZ: Well, I mean, the fact that the incoming president of the largest economy on the planet has expressed an interest in building two dozen hotels on state-owned land in China puts China's leadership in a potentially powerful position with President-Elect Trump. If, for example, Trump as president labels China a currency manipulator, as he's promised to do on his first day of office, and if he makes good on his promise to impose tariffs on Chinese imports, it's very possible, if not probable, that China's government would block Trump's business interests inside their country.
If, on the other hand, he pushes forward policies that are favorable to the Chinese government, that could easily clear the way for those 20 to 30 Trump Hotels his company wants to build in China. Either way, this threatens to put China in a more powerful position in its negotiations with the president of the United States. And it puts the U.S. interests that as president he will vow to fight for at potential risk.
$$$$$$
Oh that explains why a billionaire wants the headache of being president of the most powerful nation in the the world.
He can also lower his own taxes, lower the taxes on his own businesses and eliminate any pesky regulations that block him or cost him money when it comes to new projects. He can use his position to strong arm foreign governments into allowing his businesses to build projects and negotiate sweet deals for them in those countries.
DeleteEven if he put his businesses off onto his children or had them run by a blind trust, he could still do plenty to benefit himself.
Watch Republicans turn a blind eye to it all.
Trump and Bannon make Karl Rove look like a kindergartener. When they are done, W and Cheney will not look so bad.
ReplyDeleteCheney was and still is pure evil! The heart the (the taxpayers) gave him should be ripped from his old, obese body so that he can go to the doors that have been open to him in Hell!
DeleteHe was one of the worst, and most evil and hateful (just look at how he smiles!), VP the country has ever had!
My tax dollars could have been spent in a much better way by our government!
Is there any wonder why Republicans are despised so much throughout the world?
Translation: The press expected their future president to tell the truth, and that was just silly of them.
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No. They knew. We all knew, even his fans and surrogates knew. They all made excuses and justified it by saying Hillary was worse.
They all own this disaster.
Don’t you just love all the “soul searching” done by the media. A month after the election and they are still trying to figure out how this bozo was elected, how they got it so wrong.
DeleteWell if they had spent some time asking questions instead of reporting his every lie, they would have their answers.
Instead of propagating all the lies about Hillary if they had reported the facts/corrected the lies, we wouldn’t have to read/listen to their laments.
Aluminum tubes and WMD and White House leakers and GannonGuckerts asking questions in pressers to catapult the Bush BS.
DeleteThe press knew.
It's about time someone called it "lies" instead of false assertions or false statements.
ReplyDeleteI've heard them called "selling points." Things Trump spouted that you could either believe or not as you wished. Actual advertisers are more honest than Trump.
DeleteExactly.
DeleteThis is what Bill Maher talked about when he said we need to stop being politically correct. We need to stop being so courteous and polite. Afraid to hurt feelings.
Call a lie a lie and a liar a liar. Be prepared to prove it and you better be right. But it's time to stop trying to soften the accusations.
Liar.
Nazi.
Call a spade a spade.
Trumpanzies are like our resident mentally ill poster Alicia... completely devoid of critical thinking skills and firmly planted in a non existent alternate 'reality' of Alex Jones nonsense. Facts and reason are ineffective against these knuckle draggers. Unfortunately, they are legion. Millions of your 'fellow' Americans are Palin stupid to the core. They will infect many (their children) before they die. They will never wake up. Dumb is forever (in this mortal coil).
ReplyDeleteYep. And who can blame Hillary for believing that it simply was not possible for people to be this absent of brains. Between how those Trump voters possess hate of all kinds and no interest in real thinking, it turns out, she couldn't win. (Well, and there was Comey, etc., of course.)
DeleteStrong at Standing Rock!
ReplyDeletehttp://www.rawstory.com/2016/12/breaking-standing-rock-protesters-celebrate-as-army-corps-of-engineers-halts-dapl-project/
Stand up FIRST PEOPLE of our nation in Standing Rock! We love, support and are behind you! Your water rights should be retained!
DeleteFuck the oil industry and our government who has always treated you, our FIRST PEOPLE so horribly throughout history!
It's only a reprieve.
DeleteOnce Trump takes the oath, watch the project get fast tracked so no one has time to stop it.
We've known for a long time that if the orange shitgibbon was 'elected', we were screwed. It just becomes clearer day by day.
ReplyDelete#notmypresident
I think we should all agree never to use the title "President" tied to the name Trump.
DeleteIt just taints the office.
He didn't earn it. You don't earn something through lies and deceit.
He didn't EARN anything, he fucking stole this election and the more they investigate, the fishier it's getting. His lead has already been cut in half in PA even BEFORE the recount. EARN, my ass, he's a goddamn cheat.
ReplyDeleteMike Pence Falls Apart And Can’t List Any Evidence To Support Trump’s Illegal Voter Lie
ReplyDeleteAfter being repeatedly pushed, vice president-elect Mike Pence fell apart and could not offer any proof before finally admitting that Trump's voter fraud claims are just an opinion.
http://www.politicususa.com/2016/12/04/mike-pence-falls-list-evidence-support-trumps-illegal-voter-lie.html
Trump Camp Scrambles To Defend Diplomatic Blunder Over China And Taiwan
ReplyDelete...But what may sound like just a phone call was a split with longstanding U.S. policy meant to protect relations with China, which considers Taiwan part of its country. The U.S. government recognized China’s claim in 1979, and does not have formal diplomatic relations with Taiwan as part of a “one China policy.” For this reason, a U.S. president or president-elect has not, at least as known to the public, spoken with a leader of Taiwan in more than 35 years.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/mike-pence-trump-taiwan_us_58443355e4b017f37fe536ed
That god awful kiss approach of his just grosses me out! Look more like it could be his butt hole! He's so repulsive he makes me sick to my stomach. Are we in trouble - a potus acting like this! The majority of Americans despise him!
ReplyDeleteAnd, he thinks he's god's gift to women!!!! JHC! He's far, far from it!
Repulsive is right. 4 years of this? I think I'd rather stop waking up. Two weeks from now, after the EC files, we are so thoroughly fucked that you will look back with nostalgia to when you were only sick to your stomach.
DeleteIt looks like he's trying to suckle.
DeleteDid he have breast feeding issues? Weaned too soon? Too late?
Maybe the "kiss approach" is his way of imitating Donald Duck. After all, he is named for the silly duck.
DeleteBeaglemom
EVERYBODY, PRESIDENT-ELECT TRUMP HAS KEPT HIS WORD!
ReplyDeletePresident-Elect Trump embarrassed and stopped Ford from moving to Mexico
(Well sort of)
President-Elect Trump embarrassed and stopped Carrier from moving to Mexico
(Well sort of)
PRESIDENT-ELECT TRUMP HAS EMBARRASSED AND FORCED FIRST DAUGHTER IVANKA OUT OF CHINA!
(Well sort of)
Daily Mail:
"Inside a Trump Chinese shoe factory: 100,000 pairs of footwear branded with Ivanka's name have been made at huge facility (but now it's moving to Africa!)"
Africa?
AFRICA?
DIDN'T TRUMP'S MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN CAMPAIGN EMBARRASS FIRST DAUGHTER IVANKA TO MOVE HER SHOE FACTORY BACK TO AMERICA?
WHY NOT MOVE THE FIRST DAUGHTER'S SHOE FACTORY TO THE COUNTRY SHE LOVES? TO THE COUNTRY HER FATHER THE PRESIDENT-ELECT LOVES?
WHAT THE FUCK?
Originally Ivanka had Chinese making her shoes because it is cheaper to make it in China even though it put Americans out of work.
Now Ivanka is moving her factory to Africa.
TO AFRICA?
That's okay because Ivanka wants to show African-Americans that she backs her daddy and wants to employ Africans.
WHAT THE FUCK? WHAT DO YOU MEAN THAT'S NOT THE REASON WHY IVANKA IS MOVING HER COMPANY TO AFRICA?
Daily Mail:
• The Huajian company is now moving production to Africa because labor there is even cheaper
• It can employ five Ethiopians at its factory near Addis Ababa for the price of one Chinese worker
SO YOU'RE SAYING IT IS EASIER TO GO BACK TO OUR PAST AND USE AFRICANS FOR SLAVE LABOR TO BENEFIT WHITE PEOPLE LIKE THE TRUMPS?
Okay, Ivanka's shoe factory took advantage of China's below minimum wage workers and took work away from Americans, but now taken advantage of another country's below minimum wages to take work away from Chinese low paid workers?
WHO SAYS BEING A MEMBER OF THE FIRST FAMILY DOESN'T PAY?
DAILY MAIL:
Christopher Balding, professor of economics at Peking University HSBC Business School, says low-skilled manufacturing jobs were prone to being moved to where labour costs were the lowest and he said even though Chinese wages were far beneath the minimum wage in the United States they were still higher than in Africa....
Huajian's shoes are a fraction of the more than 1,200 shipments of Trump-branded products that have flowed into the US from China and Hong Kong over the last decade, according to an examination of US import data by Our Principles PAC, an anti-Trump political action committee.
Trump has defended his family's decision to license its name to companies that make the goods - from shoes to ties to dress shirts - in China as smart business, while slamming other US firms such as Ford and Nabisco for offshoring.
In a interview with CNN last year Trump said: 'It's very, very hard to have anything in apparel made in this country.'
WHAT THE FUCK? THIS GUY IS OUR PRESIDENT-ELECT?
Mr Zhang agrees: 'Americans say "a lot of shoes are being made in China". But it's because the US is worse at making shoes.'
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3824617/Trump-factory-jobs-sent-China-never-come-back.html
DONALD! IVANKA!
Is it true Chen and Jaio-Long in China are better workers than George and Betsy in America
MAKE CHINA GREAT AGAIN
Now Abeeku and Lisimba in Africa are better shoe makers than Tom and Sally in America?
MAKE AFRICANS SLAVES AGAIN TO WORK FOR THE WHITE MAN?
Can we have a recount?
Interesting none of the trump supporters question the fact he makes all his crap overseas.
DeleteThis is his business plan. He told the automakers at the Detroit Economic club the way to beat the unions and higher wagers was to move the factory to where wagers were lower with no union presence.
When wages go up, move the factory again and continue to do so.
I guess building the same factory over and over is much cheaper than actually paying your workers a living wage. At least it is in trump's world.
Don't forget that when these factories are moved overseas, they also skirt any environmental protections. That is why China is so polluted. They're trying to clean up their country now (hence they LEAD the U.S. in solar electricity production) so it's only natural they are now outsourcing to some other country. Africa probably has few if any laws regarding polluting the environment. I doubt they have restrictions on child labor either. So naturally they are the next stop in the cheap consumer goods manufacturing line.
DeleteThe only way Trump can bring some of those jobs back is to eliminate all EPA safeguards and restrictions, bust all of the unions and eliminate the minimum wage. He can either turn a blind eye to illegal immigration or lower the restrictions so that businesses have all of the cheap labor they want. Republicans love high unemployment. Then they can let desperate people compete for the lowest paying job, then threaten them to work over time without pay (yeah, that executive order is going to go) and take pay cuts or lose their jobs to someone willing to work for less. Add no health care and if you take sick days, you're fired.
Trump is going to be a Republicans dream president.
Law Prof Tells Joy Reid That Trump Thinks He’s a ‘Babe Magnet’ But He’s Really an ‘Emoluments Magnet’
ReplyDeletehttp://www.mediaite.com/online/law-prof-tells-joy-reid-that-trump-thinks-hes-a-babe-magnet-but-hes-really-an-emoluments-magnet/
TRUMP TWEET AND RESPONSES
ReplyDeleteDonald J. Trump ✔@realDonaldTrump
Just tried watching Saturday Night Live - unwatchable! Totally biased, not funny and the Baldwin impersonation just can't get any worse. Sad
9:13 PM - 3 Dec 2016
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TRUMP TWEET DRAWS RESPONSE:
"You are the president-elect," she tweeted. "Pick your f---ing battles man. You are embarrassing yourself."
Muscato's first tweet was liked more than 30,000 times — but she was nowhere close to finished.
Over the course of two hours, Muscato unleashed a fiery tirade against Trump, with some 30 separate tweets in all.
Danielle Muscato ✔ @DanielleMuscato
@realDonaldTrump This is not a joke, Donald. Don't you have anything better to do? Are you so narcissistic that a PARODY is your priority?
.......
Danielle Muscato ✔@DanielleMuscato
@realDonaldTrump Do you know how many trans people were murdered since Election Day? Do you know how many veterans killed themselves?
11:34 PM - 3 Dec 2016
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Danielle Muscato ✔@DanielleMuscato
@realDonaldTrump You are not fooling anyone. You're scared, and overwhelmed, and you have absolutely no idea what you're doing. And it shows
11:39 PM - 3 Dec 2016
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Danielle Muscato ✔@DanielleMuscato
@realDonaldTrump You think we're all too polite, too aghast, to call you out. I see through you, Donny. I'm calling you out. You're a joke.
11:39 PM - 3 Dec 2016
Yucky!!! Lips like an inflamed anus.
ReplyDeleteI was thinking the same thing
DeleteIt's like he's looking for a teat to suckle.
DeleteEuphemism?
ReplyDelete"Strummin' on the ol' banjo" and "punching the clown" are euphemisms (for masturbation)
"yodeling in the canyon" is a euphemism (for cunnilingus)
"honking on the old didgeridoo" is a euphemism (blowjob)
"Wrestling with the missus" is a euphemism...
But, "Carrier will never leave" ???
That's not a euphemism
...that's a fucking PROMISE.
Just like when trump went to the window factory and "promised" them he was going to save their jobs, right after he said he buys all the windows for his buildings from China.
ReplyDeleteThey morons bought it hook, line and sinker.
I think he is making up this myth about Carrier because of all the outrage about the tax breaks; he is trying to make it sound like he was “forced” to make this crappy deal in order to save the jobs.
The fact is Don the Con is a crappy dealmaker.
Trump is fucking crazy and he's going to start something BAD and it's not going to take him much time at all --
ReplyDeleteFrom his twitter (re-ordered so it makes sense) -
Did China ask us if it was OK to devalue their currency (making it hard for our companies to compete), heavily tax our products going into..
their country (the U.S. doesn't tax them) or to build a massive military complex in the middle of the South China Sea? I don't think so!
Apparently Putin has called him "clever" today and Israel's prime minister wants to meet with him to get rid of the Iran deal.
The end is nigh and Trump is gonna screw things up bigly from multiple fronts. Europe conflict with Putin, America's new best friend. Israel conflict in Iran. China puts Taiwan AND America in their places.
Time is coming to sell stocks me thinks. Markets are going to tank when all this starts happening.
Since when does China have to ask permission to devaluate their currency?
DeleteSince when did trump win the Electoral College?
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Trump antagonizes China in latest ill-advised Twitter rant
.......Trump’s camp now says that Pres. Tsai called to congratulate him on his win in the U.S. Electoral College and that nothing of diplomatic or commercial significance was discussed. ......
http://www.rawstory.com/2016/12/trump-antagonizes-china-in-latest-ill-advised-twitter-rant/
Understatement of the year !!!
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John Kerry: It would be valuable for Trump to seek advice before speaking with foreign leaders
U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry said on Sunday it would be valuable for President Donald Trump’s transition team to seek State Department recommendations before contacting foreign leaders, but there have been no requests for such talking points.
“We have not been contacted before any of these conversations,” Kerry told a think tank conference. “I do think there is a value, obviously on having at least the recommendations, whether you choose to follow them or not is a different issue, but I think it’s valuable to ask people who work the desk … their input on what’s the current state, is there some particular issue at the moment, I think that’s valuable, and I would certainly recommend it, but, obviously, that hasn’t happened.”
(Corrects quote in second paragraph to read: “I do think there is a value, obviously on having at least the recommendations, whether you choose to follow them or not is a different issue, but I think it’s valuable to ask people who work the desk … their input on what’s the current state, is there some particular issue at the moment,”)
http://www.rawstory.com/2016/12/john-kerry-it-would-be-valuable-for-trump-to-seek-advice-before-speaking-with-foreign-leaders/