Tuesday, May 02, 2017

That time when an actual sitting US president asked why the Civil War had to happen. update!

Don't know much about history
Don't know much biology
Don't know much about a science book,
Don't know much about the french I took
Courtesy of The Hill:

President Trump during an interview that airs Monday questioned why the country had a Civil War and suggested former President Andrew Jackson could have prevented it had he served later. 

"I mean had Andrew Jackson been a little bit later you wouldn't have had the Civil War. He was a very tough person, but he had a big heart," Trump said during an interview with the Washington Examiner's Salena Zito. 

"He was really angry that he saw what was happening with regard to the Civil War, he said, 'There's no reason for this.'" 

Jackson, the nation's seventh president, died in 1845. The Civil War began in 1861. 

The president further questioned why the country could not have solved the Civil War. 

"People don't realize, you know, the Civil War, if you think about it, why?" Trump said during the edition of "Main Street Meets the Beltway" scheduled to air on SiriusXM. 

"People don't ask that question, but why was there the Civil War? Why could that one not have been worked out?"


You ever read something that your mind refuses to accept that you just read?

And if you have, how often is it usually a quote from Donald Trump?

Fortunately while my mind was drawing a blank, Chelsea Clinton came up with an actual answer.
Yeah, that's essentially the answer.

Mother Jones found a real live historian to weigh in who suggested that perhaps Trump should step down from office until he can be educated past his current fourth grade elementary school level, and is brought up to speed on American history.

His final words were "God help us."

I am of course not a religious man, but I certainly understand the sentiment.

I swear that every day Donald Trump says something that becomes the new most shocking thing I have every heard come out of the mouth of a US president.

Update: It appears Trump is trying to do a little damage control.
Continues to demonstrate a crippling lack of knowledge about American history.


  1. Anonymous6:23 AM

    "When Andrew Jackson died in 1845 (16 yrs before the Civil War began), he owned 150 men, women and children."

    That is why Jackson is Trump's roll model.

    How many minorities work at Trump's properties worldwide at slave wages?

    1. Anonymous7:54 AM


      "Trump appears to delight in authoritarian strongmen who operate on the principle that might makes right."
      " the only people who can stand being friends with narcissists are other narcissists. Narcissists are not only tolerant of narcissism in their friends, they also are not turned off by the selfishness, arrogance, and bossiness that would drive non-narcissists away.”
      "“Similar narcissistic friends might help each other to achieve such a rapport by respecting the same life strategy, avoiding conflicts, sharing the same MATING behavior"
      “What is the condition of your wife’s vagina?”Détente
      "his own daughter, Sara, was so offended that she revealed to the public she had once been raped. Duterte outdid himself with his response.
      “Drama queen,”
      "Duterte went into a renewed fury last month after local church officials yet again spoke out against what they termed “extrajudicial killings.” Duterte noted in a 30-minute speech that Christ was crucified on a wooden cross, not a gold one, such as some clergy wore.
      “Priests do nothing else but rant,” Duterte said in his native Cebuano. “They live in palaces. You should sell those and use the money to buy rice for the poor. And stop collecting money. If you don’t, I will have you arrested for extortion.”
      He went on, “Fathers, monsignors, bishops, this means to say: There will be more killings…”
      He suggested that the drug dealers were to blame for the violence because they tried to fight back.
      “It won’t end tomorrow for as long as there is a drug pusher and drug lord,” he added. “I will kill you if you destroy the youth of my land. They are our a$$ets.”
      "He made a name for himself as the Trump of the East as he vented his anger and played on people’s fears and promised to make right with might. He surely was seeking to connect with the Trump of the West when he appointed the Filipino developer of Trump Tower in Manila as his special trade envoy to the United Sates."
      Duterte would have won Trump’s heart just by being an authoritarian strongman like Vladimir Putin of Russia or, for that matter, the late Carlo Gambino of the Gambino family, who kept those trucks rumbling up to Trump Tower when every other construction site in the city was shut down by a strike."
      "The younger Donald Trump and his father had considerable dealings with organized-crime figures who loomed large in New York’s construction industry."

  2. Anonymous6:25 AM

    Is Melania really trump's wife or his immigrant bedroom chamber maid he impregnated? If you look at them, there seems to be no love between them.

    1. Anonymous8:40 AM

      In many photos the third wife looks amazingly like Caitlyn (Bruce) Jenner. In any event she never looks happy or interested in what's going on around her. A robot: the only kind of woman who would tolerate Trump.

  3. abbafan6:27 AM

    The downward spiral of the U.S. continues...the real fuckin' sad part is the stupid, ignorant, uneducated white "base" of his eats every fuckin' word of his as "truth". Now, contrast his incoherent babble against Ms. Clinton's retort.

    There is NO fuckin' way that trump's grifting, entitled spawn can formulate an educated response like hers. Then again, just looking at them, it's quite obvious that the turds never fell far from the bowl, let alone out his fat orange ass...

  4. Anonymous6:31 AM

    Trump May Open Sequoia Redwoods For Oil And Gas Exploration

    Think about this: those giant sequoias (estimated at being between 2,000 - 3,500 years old) were growing along the California coast at the same time that the ancient Greeks were building their empire. They have survived fires, earthquakes, the development of America (and especially, California), droughts, pestilence and all manner of natural disasters. But they may not survive the Trump administration.


    1. Good luck with that.

      California won't allow it. They'll keep the wolves at bay in court until Trump is out and there is a Democratic president and Congress that will reverse all of his executive orders.

      Whiny little bitch will be a one term president (but only if the DCCC gets off it's ass and gets a clue. But only IF. If they follow their current SOP they will continue to LOSE.

      Time is running out. They need to start now. And I see no indication they are doing anything. At all.

  5. Anonymous6:33 AM

    Scarborough: 'I'm Not Saying He Has Dementia" But...




    1. Anonymous7:32 AM

      When is it okay to say the president might be nuts?

      ...Jackson was a slave owner and was responsible for the “Trail of Tears,” which killed thousands of Native Americans. And of course, every grade-schooler knows that the Civil War was about slavery and the inevitable clash between America’s “original sin” and the promise of the Declaration of Independence. As The Post’s Aaron Blake put it, this “is just a completely bizarre claim that, once again, suggests a president who speaks loudly and confidently about things he simply doesn’t understand.”

      Apparently, Trump learned nothing from his visit to the National Museum of African American History and Culture.

      ...Is Trump nuts, ill-informed or a liar — or all three?


  6. Anonymous6:34 AM

    Ha! A slave breeding, slave trading, genocidal, ethnic cleansing, venal, vindictive heart of ashes? No civil war? Jackson? Emancipation? Ha!


    1. Anonymous7:14 AM

      Stop your lying about Andrew Jackson. President Trump is right. Jackson had a huge heart. I mean he gave the Cherokee Nation and several other Native American tribes an all expenses paid trip on the Trail of Tears, which include a free military escort. Genocide, forced relocation, broken treaties, if that doesn't scream huge heart, I don't know what does.

    2. Anonymous7:22 AM

      On Now!

    3. Anonymous8:10 AM

      @7:22 <<>>

    4. Anonymous8:28 AM

      "I’m not much of a religious person but I’d rather be offered a polite blessing than an empty beer can any day."He wants to throw in with the mansions, like Reagan and Bush and his billionaire friends.

      But he can’t abandon the shacks, because his ego needs their cheering more than his wallet needs the billionaires’ money, that’s what the rallies are all about. That’s why he daily contradicts himself – because he’s trying to tell each what they want to hear and those things are mutually incompatible."
      J.W. stonekettle

    5. Anonymous9:03 AM

      @7:22 stonekettle>

  7. Anonymous6:37 AM

    According to a historian, Donald Trump feels that just as he is the only one who can fix all our myriad problems today, he alone, apparently, could have done a deal to stop the Civil War.

    That’s right. Pulitzer Prize-winning historian and Jefferson biographer Jon Meacham revealed the heights of Trump’s hubris on MSNBC’s “Morning Joe” Tuesday, saying,

    “He told me a year and a half ago or so, a year ago, that, you know, he thought he could have done a deal to have averted the war.”

    According to Meacham,

    “It’s very hard, once you’re there, to change. Some people do, and that’s why we talk about them as great presidents. But most people, once they’re in the Oval Office, actually just become more like themselves — and I think in this case that’s on a particularly tragic trajectory.”

    Donald Trump has not been able to “do a deal” to get any legislation passed in his first 100 Days, but he thinks he could have stopped the bloodiest war in American history from taking place despite his complete lack of knowledge on either the subject or that period of history.


    1. Anonymous8:37 AM

      A country cannot be run by a con artist. We are living the results now and for the next three plus years.
      Beagle mom

  8. Anonymous6:38 AM

    Trump Says He Prefers a ‘Good Shutdown’ to Making a Deal With Dems to Fund Government

    ...What’s funny is that this preference for a shutdown over a bipartisan deal comes from the same guy who claims he could have “done a deal” to avert the Civil War. Makes you wonder how he thinks he could have “done a deal” given his desire to avoid talking to both parties.

    Of course, Trump clearly has no interest in bipartisan anything, as he shows here with his preference for a shutdown. Trump prefers to rule by executive fiat instead, simply signing executive orders he hasn’t bothered to read and then demanding they take effect, constitutional or not.


  9. Anonymous6:45 AM


    “People used to believe getting an education was something you had to be privileged to get, that you had to work hard to get. Now we basically force it down everybody’s throats.”

    “The number one thing I would like to repeal is the law on compulsory education …,” he told Stephenson. “I believe education is still a privilege, and the kids who don’t want to be there are a larger distraction to the kids who do want to be there.”

    Mind you, repealing compulsory education is his “number one thing.” It’s not just a concept he’s thought about casually—it’s his main concern, the reason he’s in office.



  10. Anonymous6:48 AM

    Trump May Open Sequoia Redwoods For Oil And Gas Exploration

    About time we have an president who has the best interest of the American people in mind.

    Remember this:
    Trees can be grown anywhere.
    Oil cannot be grown!

    1. "Trees can be grown anywhere."

      "Oil cannot be grown!"
      And there is a finite supply of it. That's why we need to move to renewable sources of energy.

      Sorry if your comment was snark, but there seems to be no bottom to the stupidity coming from trump supporters, so it is not obviously snark.

    2. Anonymous8:36 AM

      Wouldn't it be nice if the oil industry just said "no" to Donald Trump? There's no need to look for oil in any of our national parks or wildlife refuges. This country is now run by people who could care less about the outdoors, the wildlife, the planet itself.

    3. Anonymous9:20 AM

      You are a fucking idiot. Do you have any idea how long the Sequoias have 'grown'?

      Think about this: those giant sequoias (estimated at being between 2,000 - 3,500 years old) were growing along the California coast at the same time that the ancient Greeks were building their empire. They have survived fires, earthquakes, the development of America (and especially, California), droughts, pestilence and all manner of natural disasters.


    4. And I'm sure you believe Trump (or Jackson) could have negotiated the U.S. out of the civil war.

      Better you remain silent and thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.

      Please.....close your mouth.

  11. Anonymous6:56 AM

    What do these cut throat dictators have in common?

    North Korea Kim Jong-un
    Russian Vladimir Putin

    Does Trump have a woody for Kim?:

    I'd be 'honored' to meet Kim Jong Un 

    Trump's love for Kim:

    "So obviously, he's a pretty smart cookie,"

    Trump feelings about Putin:

    He's running his country and at least he's a leader, unlike what we have in this country,"

    Trump compliments Putin:

    ‘I will tell you, in terms of leadership, he’s getting an A, our president is not doing so well. 

    1. Anonymous8:33 AM


  12. Anonymous7:00 AM

    "When Andrew Jackson died in 1845, he owned 150 men, women and children."

    Big deal, Ivanka and Donald Trump owns more

  13. Anonymous7:01 AM

    Trump has plans to put programs in place that are so destructive towards the poor, elderly, females and lower middle class. He's realized that his agenda will drive this country into civil war. And he's already musing about how he can avert the war part, whilst still getting away with pulling off all the heinous things he wants to do.

    1. Anonymous7:28 AM

      "Covert argued that it was appropriate for the audience to laugh when Sessions made a joke about his marriage but not when Shelby claimed Sessions had a long record of “treating all Americans equally.”

      “Is that funny?” Covert asked Officer Coronado of Shelby’s praise of Sessions. “Is that a joke to you?” Coronado did not think it was."


  14. Anonymous7:08 AM

    "back to the subject of Trump’s possibly failing mental health constantly during the three-hour broadcast. Literally every guest they had on, they asked about Trump’s mental state. Toward the end of the show, in an interview with presidential historian Brinkley, Joe noted of Trump’s seeming decline that “the pace is quickening.”

    Read more at https://wonkette.com/616492/joe-and-mika-just-asking-if-maybe-donald-trump-fucked-in-his-brain#paPYCfbQ74yJqAlH.99

    1. Anonymous7:54 AM

      Facing Abject Failure, Trump’s Delusions Are Expanding

      At this point in his presidency, Donald Trump’s ego is coming into conflict with the lack of any actual accomplishments. In order to sustain his delusions about himself, he is becoming increasingly untethered from reality. We see that as he continues to obsess about his “historic win” over three months ago and his claim that he has accomplished more than previous presidents in such a short amount of time.

      But in a couple of interviews lately, the delusions fed by Trump’s own ignorance are quite astounding.


    2. How long before it can't be hidden or explained away?

      I guess we'll know when we no longer see live speeches and there will be no more interviews any more. Someone will take over the twitter feed, statements will be released, their will be still photos and any video will be heavily edited.

      That's when we'll know he is totally off the rails and they can't hide it any more.

      But still, they won't do a damned thing to remove him from office. His handlers will just become unelected "president" in his stead.

  15. Anonymous7:14 AM

    Donald Trump’s Andrew Jackson-Civil War Answer Is All Steve Bannon

    President Trump’s revisionist, Andrew Jackson-related history can be traced to none other than Steve Bannon.


  16. Anonymous7:16 AM

    Donald Trump’s Andrew Jackson-Civil War Answer Is All Steve Bannon

    President Trump’s revisionist, Andrew Jackson-related history can be traced to none other than Steve Bannon.


    1. Anonymous8:31 AM

      And I think that Spicer's egregious missteps about the Holocaust are also the result of the toxic atmosphere at the White House. The place has been filled with white nationalists by our ignorant and hateful president and his GOP!

  17. Anonymous7:23 AM

    Bad Boy>

  18. Anonymous7:32 AM


  19. Anonymous7:42 AM

    Jimmy Kimmel’s powerful, poignant Obamacare plea crystallizes the GOP’s dilemma

    Social media is burning up over the heartfelt plea for universal health care that Jimmy Kimmel made on Monday night. Kimmel repeatedly teared up as he recounted the jarring discovery that his newborn baby has heart disease that required immediate surgery, and then pointed out that before Obamacare became law, people with preexisting conditions — such as his new baby — could eventually be denied health insurance.

    “We were brought up to believe that we live in the greatest country in the world, but until a few years ago, millions and millions of us had no access to health insurance at all,” Kimmel said. “If your baby is going to die, and it doesn’t have to, it shouldn’t matter how much money you make. I think that’s something now, whether you’re a Republican or Democrat, or something else, we all agree on that, right?”


  20. Anonymous7:43 AM

    Maybe, just maybe, some (much?) of Trump's ignorance about the history of this country is related to him almost not being "American" -- His mother was an immigrant; is father was first generation. Two of his wives are immigrants. Maybe he just had no talk of our country at home, ever.

    Maybe we need to test all candidates on history of our country and government, and most especially the Constitution. His ignorance on top is his flaky personality would certainly have shown him to be unqualified had any such testing been required when he decided to run. WE NEED LAWS IN PLACE IMMEDIATELY to ensure that anyone running for President is totally qualified to be in office. This man IS TOTALLY UNQUALIFIED, and needs to be removed from office. The Republican(s) who do that for the country will be the hero(es) who saves us from this disastrous president. They will deserve the Medal of Freedom, for sure. And, they will be read about in future American History textbooks. Who wants to do that for us? Somebody? PLEASE!!!!!!! It won't happen unless it is done by Republicans.

    1. His immigrant wives that became citizens had to learn the basics of U.S. history for their citizenship tests. They know more about U.S. history than he does.

  21. Anonymous7:46 AM

    Democrats confident they can block Trump’s agenda after spending-bill win

    Democrats think they have set the stage to block President Trump’s legislative priorities for years to come by winning major concessions in a spending bill to keep the government open.

    House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) and Senate Minority Leader Charles E. Schumer (D-N.Y.) secured nearly $5 billion in new domestic spending by exploiting disagreements between Trump and GOP lawmakers over spending priorities.

    Democrats’ lopsided victory on the five-month deal, which is likely to be approved this week, means it will be very difficult — if not impossible — for the GOP to exert its will in future budget negotiations, including when it comes to Trump’s 2018 budget blueprint.


  22. Anonymous7:49 AM

    Trump’s 100th-day speech may have been the most hate-filled in modern history


  23. Anonymous7:56 AM

    probably thinks Stonewall Jackson and Andrew Jackson were the same person.

    1. You're probably right. It's consistent with his mental deterioration.

  24. Anonymous7:59 AM

    I'm guessing his IQ, like palin's is far below average. Maybe in the mid '70's?

    We have never before has a total moron for president. He makes bush 43 look like a genius.

    1. More like shady 90s. 87-93 would by my guess.

      Not low enough to be blatant but below the average of 100.

  25. Anonymous8:13 AM

    He needs to talk to a Jackson scholar. Because I'm pretty sure Mr trail of tears would not have avoided it. But the media ran too far with this one. It did remind me of the Biden fdr moment.

  26. Anonymous8:27 AM

    Well, let's see. If Jackson had been alive, and he OWNED 150 men, women, and children, one could certainly argue he was pro-slavery and would have prevented the Civil War by preserving slavery. So much for having a "big heart".

    1. He would have avoided the civil war by making every concession the south wanted and if that didn't work, allowing them to secede and keep their slaves.

  27. Anonymous8:35 AM

    After Watching Fox News, Trump Flips Out And Calls For A Government Shutdown

    Senate aides are reporting that after watching the morning news shows, a.k.a. Fox and Friends, Donald Trump reversed course on the government funding bill and is now calling for a government shutdown.

    Trump is an avid viewer of Fox and Friends. The President watches at least six hours of cable news per day, and half of it is Fox and Friends, so if someone on Fox said that the deal is a loss for Trump, the President is ready to trigger a government shutdown basically because Fox News told him to do so. Trump watches Fox beginning at dawn each day, so the odds are good that Trump saw criticism of the deal on Fox, flipped out and called for the government to be shutdown.

    The story is more proof that the most powerful influence on Trump’s policy is what he sees on Fox News.


  28. Anonymous9:38 AM

    Trump is a complete idiot. The only mess that needs to be cleaned up is trump and his useless idiots that he pretends to appoint. Not one is qualified nor smart enough including HIM. He is a disgrace and must resign or spend his time in impeachment hearings for the rest of his life.

  29. Anonymous9:40 AM

    Notice how trump the bully lousy actor is friends with rapist and tiny dicktators. He has another thing coming if he thinks his scam will continue much longer.

  30. Anonymous9:42 AM

    Tough shit. Congress already decided on spending bill. And ugly man boy will have to eat shit. Too bad the respectable world hates him and his lying pathetic family.

  31. Anonymous9:50 AM


  32. Anonymous9:58 AM

    Indictments are coming. So now Trump is doing everything to distract from them.

    Yes, multiple indictments from 2 federal grand juries. Yet to come is NY State indictments, possibly Trump himself in the cross hairs.

    RICO, fraud, Russia....


  33. Anonymous10:38 AM

    Trump was too busy being a bully to listen in his military school class for idiots.

  34. Anonymous10:44 AM

    ‘Grow The F*ck Up!’: Trump Gets Taken To The Woodshed After Calling For A Government Shutdown


    1. Anonymous11:02 AM

      worst president ever.

  35. Anonymous11:01 AM

    Nice try, Gryphen. You dont know Andrew Jackson. HOW CAN YOU WRITE ABOUT SOMEONE YOU DONT EVEN KNOW???? smh

    Emperor Drumpf has a GIANT portrait of Andy Jackson on his office wall. Pretty darn sure Drumpf knows A LOT more about what Jackson today is thinking than you do! AND WE KNOW JACKSON SUPPORTS DRUMPF!!!!!

    You libtards make me wanna puuuke!
    (read it in Groundskeeper Willie's Scottish brogue for optimal effect)

    1. Anonymous11:19 AM

      Anon 11:01: You nailed it, bro' !! Especially the part about The Trumpster and his portrait of Andrew Jackson. The reason I'm as wise as I am is that I have a macrame owl hanging on the wall above my computer!!!!

  36. Anonymous12:30 PM

    The idiocy of Trump is almost identical to Palin' s many clusterfucks. Trump' ridiculous comments about Jackson and the Civil War reminded me of the Wasilla dimwit's "Bus Tour" and her lack of knowledge about Paul Revere.

    My head hurts.

  37. There's plenty of historical evidence Andrew Jackson was a tough, strong man. Like some men with those characteristics, he also seems to have been callous, self-centered, and lacking in empathy.

    Maybe that's why Trump relates to him--although Trump has yet to live up to the strength and toughness of Old Hickory, who I believe was shot at least 6-7 times and survived. Trump notoriously went to great lengths to avoid being shot at in Vietnam.

    I'm no historian, but I can't recall much evidence that Andrew Jackson had a big heart. Maybe that's another reason Trump can relate to him. Jackson's ego was probably at least as outrageous as Trump's, but unlike Trump, Jackson had the balls to support his high opinion of himself.


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