Thursday, August 03, 2017

The build up to war with North Korea has begun.

Courtesy of Vox: 

“There is a military option: to destroy North Korea’s nuclear program and North Korea itself,” Graham told the Today show’s Matt Lauer. “He’s not going to allow — President Trump — the ability of this madman [Kim Jong Un] to have a missile that could hit America. “If there’s going to be a war to stop him, it will be over there,” Graham continued. 

“If thousands die, they’re going to die over there. They’re not going to die over here — and he’s told me that to my face.” 

Graham’s press office confirmed that the senator was, in fact, reciting the details of a conversation he had with the president. According to Graham, the president “doesn’t want a war” — but would be willing to start one that would kill millions of people in the region if it came down to it. 

Graham went even further later in the interview, saying war between the United States and North Korea was “inevitable” under this president unless North Korea stops testing intercontinental ballistic missiles (ICBMs). These missiles, Graham says, are an unacceptable threat to the American homeland — so Trump would go to war to stop them.

I actually believe that the talk of North Korea's ability to send a missile far enough to hit any city or state in America is overblown.

In a very short amount of time we have gone from mocking North Korea's efforts to build a working missile, to fear mongering about potentially being blown up in our sleep.

All of this feels far too similar to the selling of the Iraq War to me, and I am not buying it.

And the cost of this war could be catastrophic:

While all war game scenarios show the US winning a military confrontation, that victory could come at the cost of hundreds of thousands of deaths, mostly in South Korea where millions of innocent people -- and nearly 30,000 US troops -- are already in range of North Korea's current missile capabilities. 

And that is not even considering the possibility that China may come to the aid of their longtime friend and ally. 

But none of that will matter to Trump, because keep in mind that this presidency is coming apart at the seams, and the ONLY thing that will distract the public from talk of investigations into Russian collusion, is the start of a new war.

This is what Republicans do, this is what they ALWAYS do, and yet people keep voting for them.


  1. Anonymous6:44 AM

    I doubt Donald the great negotiator and deal maker will try diplomacy first.

    1. Anonymous7:31 AM

      Trump never heard the word "diplomacy" before sitting behind the desk in the Oval Office. He still has no idea what it means. He's never respected or dealt fairly with anyone in his life. He's not going to start doing it now.

    2. Of course not. That is not how Trump negotiates a deal.

      Trump dictates what he wants and threatens to get it. That's his "art of the deal." "I tell you want I want and what I'm going to do to you if I don't get it."

      You can see a microcosm of it in the negotiations (?) about the Trumpcare death bill(s).

      Tom is gonna get if for me or he's fired.

      Hauling all of those senators to the White House to yell at them and threaten their re-elections.

      Not only has he no clue what diplomacy is, he also has no clue what negotiate means. It doesn't mean what he thinks it means.

  2. I had the same thought Gryphen. This capability to his the entire US came awfully quickly. We were either being lied to before or we are being lied to now.

    1. Anonymous8:15 AM

      NO LIE! WAKE UP! "Former President Barack Obama is believed to have warned President Trump that the greatest threat the country would face during his administration would be North Korea's nuclear and missile program development,",TRUE!

      climate change?

  3. Leland6:59 AM

    "...If thousands die, they’re going to die over there. They’re not going to die over here — and he’s told me that to my face.”

    Su-u-u-re. But what about the hundreds of thousands of Americans living and working in S. Korea?

    What about the 25 million people living and working in Seoul?

    What about one the highest number of chemical and biological weapons stockpiles in the world?

    There are 25+ million people living and working in Seoul. The artillery pieces are known to be EXTREMELY hard to take out due to their blast doors that close AFTER EACH FIRING so they can be reloaded?

    I agree with Gryphen. This crap Humpty Trumpty is pulling is another "wag the dog" scenario to divert attention from his Russia problems. He will do ANYTHING to "solve" the problem. And it won't matter to him in the least if ALL of them die.

    I don't believe he has thought about the political consequences, either. If he makes the decision - with the US being alone in the assault - he (and we) would face world wide outcry and be faced with claims of war crimes. At least, that's what I believe would happen. There are too many leaders who trust him as far as he could throw a Grand Piano.

    It would be one helluva a way of getting rid of him, but I would hope we can do something that would cost FAR fewer lives.

    1. Anonymous8:35 AM

      Well gees Leland, think about it. Russia Bullwinkled America a century ago, and we let them. Expose is uprooting deep ties into the money market, that started when too much money flooded the USA, thus ushering in the 1929 stock market crash.
      Since then, they funded wars, made money off our dead soldiers. Pearl Harbor and 9-11 are both parallel Oh I could go on, and on.
      Point is, dig up and toss out those Russians. USA.

    2. Leland1:05 PM


      I will need links to prove of all that, please. As an example, Russia was almost broke from 1917 on after their revolution and they were still trying to make sense of what they wanted to do. If there was any money "flooding" the US market, it was from EX-royalty that left Russia understandable quickly - with their personal funds.

      As for the crash of 1929, you need to do some research. THAT was caused by the repetitive habit of the banks using the funds of their patron's saving's accounts. They would use their depositors funds for the risky investments they wanted to make. That way they wouldn't risk their own funds. When the investments failed and the bankers' couldn't return the monies of their patrons there were runs on the banks, which couldn't give their depositors' money back, so they crashed.

      That particular problem was why the Glass- Steagall Act of 1933 was written and passed. That bill controlled how the banks were able to use their depositors' monies and worked very well from then on.

      And to make you feel even more unsteady about our current financial laws, that Act was essentially gutted with the 1999 Gramm-Leach-Bailey which "repealed the two provisions restricting affiliations between banks and securities firms".

      And almost exactly on schedule, we had the financial difficulties starting near the end of Bush's time in office.

      The so-called Russian influence is there, yes. It is NOT as pervasive as you want to make it out to be.

    3. Anonymous6:58 PM

      Well they sure are looking into money and Russia. Shrug.

    4. Leland12:51 PM


      They are. NOW. Because of Humpty Trumpty and his ilk. Not for things done in the decades after the Russian revolution and definitely not at any time prior to him.

  4. Anonymous7:02 AM

    It is doubtful that North Korea can send a missile to reach USA shores yet.
    BUT....they can wipe out Seoul, South Korea, etc, or cause severe loss of life and damage to any Japanese city. Japan and South Korea are 2 major allies of USA. Also, USA doesn't know where MANY of North Korean missiles/launching are located to send our missiles to destroy them before they can be launched at our allies.

    1. Anonymous7:29 AM

      I suspect that Hawaii might be within North Korean range and, last I heard, Hawaii was part of the United States. Besides, there must be at least tens of thousands of Americans living in South Korea, Japan and Taiwan, all big US allies. We also cannot abandon the safety of our Asian allies. The GOP might think Asians are a disposable minority like all others, but they are not.

    2. Leland8:49 AM

      Beaglemom, the latest numbers I can find for civilians living in S. Korea is around 136,000 and that does not include the military. So that tens of thousands is extremely low.

    3. Anonymous10:19 AM

      Leland, Thanks for the info. Probably Americans in Japan also number in the hundreds of thousands. If I were in the military, I'd want to send my family back to the States now.

    4. Leland1:22 PM

      I would agree, Beaglemom, but I'm not sure how many of the military personnel can afford to send their families home on their own ticket. Hopefully, the military will do it for them if things get REALLY ugly.

      Of course, that idiot Humpty Trumpty might start the damned war in the middle of the night there. In other words, no warning for our people to get their families' out.

  5. Anonymous7:03 AM

    Doesn't China have a mutual defense treaty with North Korea?

  6. Anonymous7:27 AM

    Simply the population density of that part of the world should make war unthinkable. Unfortunately for everyone, Trump will see it as his salvation, his escape from his traitorous Russian problem and his way back to positive poll numbers. I fear that the media will jump on board right away (remember how excited both print media and television media were to support Bush's war in Iraq) and also write off (literally) the very serious investigation into Trump/GOP campaign and ongoing crimes against America.

  7. Anonymous7:32 AM

    trump started this problem and continues to make it worse .He wants chaos, deflection, personal limelight attention. You know just like the trashy Palin Klan.
    We have little allies support, possibly another dicktator?
    He is totally out of control! Not to mention that he is very very bigly ignorant,ugly and stupid.

    1. Anonymous9:51 AM

  8. Anonymous7:42 AM

    Trump may shoot missiles into North Korea just to try and up his pole numbers.

    God help us all.

  9. Anonymous7:42 AM

    "trust Nate Silver, and his accurate polling. I trust him completely. He's never, ever been wrong. Not once."
    Ki$$ your a$$es GOOD-BYE!

    "FiveThirtyEight’s Nate Silver on Friday mocked President-elect Donald Trump’s call for expanded nuclear capabilities by predicting what all-out nuclear war could do to the electoral map."
    "Here's what the electoral map would look like if only people who weren't burnt to a crisp in the nuclear holocaust voted,” he tweeted.

    "The punchline:
    A map showing only Wyoming, Alaska and Hawaii surviving."
    {I SEE only dick FUCK cheney surviving}
    Hawaii and Alaska>GOpee 1s'T'then>

    1. Anonymous10:17 AM

      Is Nate so sure that N. Korea could not reach Hawaii or Alaska or that China or Russia couldn't?

    2. Leland1:28 PM

      Beaglemom, Russia and China have LONG been capable of reaching any target anywhere in the world - just as we can.

      I THINK the latest PUBLIC analysis of the latest tests still say only Alaska is within possible range of N. Korean missiles.

  10. Anonymous8:04 AM

    Donald the Great Negotiator my ass

    Donald the Natural Born Liar I do believe

    Washington Post
    This deal will make me look terrible’: Full transcripts of Trump’s calls with Mexico and Australia

    The Washington Post has obtained transcripts of two conversations President Trump had with foreign leaders: one with Mexican President Enrique Peña Nieto and another with Australian Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull....

    1. Anonymous8:32 AM

      He needs to be tarred and feathered and run out of D.C. and the presidency. What a horrible man who supposedly represents America. He does not - not the majority!

  11. Anonymous8:04 AM

    Pathetic Trump Begged Mexico To Stop Telling The Press They Won’t Pay For The Wall

    Transcripts of Trump's phone calls with Mexican President Peña Nieto reveal a liar who knew that Mexico would never pay for the wall but begged them to stop telling the press that they wouldn't pay because it was damaging him politically.

    The President threatened to not meet with the US’s ally and southern neighbor unless they stopped telling the truth about his wall. Trump was trying to blackmail Mexico into covering for his false statements.

    It didn’t work. Every time the wall makes the news, the response from Mexico is the same, ‘We’re not paying for the wall.’

  12. Anonymous8:09 AM

    OT Build up> "Trump told President Enrique Peña Nieto the wall is ONLY important politically, adding HE’s in a “political bind because I have to have Mexico pay for the wall.” Trump told Australia’s prime minister before hanging up,
    “PUTIN was a pleasant call. This is ridiculous.” <FUKU!


  13. Anonymous8:12 AM

    The President once again wants to know who we are and how we are getting our information. He's angry that after all the purging we still haven't been eliminated. Apparently he told Kelly something along the lines of "I want those assholes out. I want them arrested. I don't care if you have to fire everyone to do it. I don't even care if it's not illegal."

    ...A pocket veto be overridden. That will buy time. Time enough to do other things so that the public can be distracted with other matters and never notice that the same Congress that overwhelmingly passed the bill never bothered to do it a second time. It's all a very convenient scenario. All of the members of Congress who voted for the bill will hold up that vote in front of their constituents when the time for reelection comes around. Republicans can go home and assure their districts that they oppose Russia's interference in our election, while neglecting to point out that it was their leadership who allowed a pocket veto to happen, and then took it laying down. Democrats will once again point to the President while holding out their collection plates. It's good optics all the way around. Everybody wins. That is, everyone in the District wins.

    ...Our system of government was designed to prevent any one person from accumulating too much power that could be turned against the good of the People. But with Congressional Republicans and Democrats alike becoming a coequally duplicitous branch of government, perhaps the constitutional crises are not looming ahead of us, they are already upon us. Or maybe Obama was right--we get the politicians we deserve.

    1. Anonymous9:47 AM

      "The call demonstrates that Trump really is an uninformed bigot."Reading the transcript of the entire call, it is clear that world leaders are having to talk to the President Of The United States like he is a child." They are leaking because they believe that their country is being endangered by Donald Trump."

  14. Anonymous8:19 AM

    I will be your booty bitch like I'm Putin's booty bitch if you stop telling the press Mexico is not paying for the Trump Wall. I have to be seen as the Great Negotiator to my generals, to my Congress and to my Trump base.

  15. Anonymous8:31 AM

    Analysis: President Trump admits he punked his supporters on Mexico paying for the wal

    The Washington Post's Greg Miller has obtained transcripts of President Donald Trump's calls with the heads of Mexico and Australia during his first days in office, and they are both doozies.

    One big takeaway is that Trump seems to acknowledge exactly what his pledge to make Mexico pay for the border wall was - a hollow promise meant to rile up the base.

    At one point in his call with Mexican President Enrique Peña Nieto, Trump even acknowledges that the wall is "the least important thing we are talking about, but politically this might be the most important."

    You hear that, Trump supporters? That applause line that Trump used with such gusto for basically his entire campaign - "Build that wall," and "Who's going to pay for it? (Crowd response: MEXICO!)"? It was all vote-bait, red meat for voters who didn't know that it was completely impractical and would never happen. And within his first days in office - this call took place on Jan. 27, a week after Trump's inauguration - Trump was already throwing in the towel on it on a call with the Mexican president

    1. In which case congress should not designate one penny for his fucking wall. We can't afford a $7 TRILLION dollar boondoggle wall that will destroy our ecosystem and won't work for it's intended purpose.

      Didn't Berlin teach us anything?

  16. Anonymous8:36 AM

    "Build that wall," and "Who's going to pay for it?"
    - Donald J. Trump

    Citizens of Mexico response: "Sally Anne, Billy Joe Bob, Gomer, Bubba, Goober and the rest of you American Klansmen"

    1. Anonymous9:24 AM


    2. Anonymous10:11 AM


  17. Anonymous9:01 AM

    Somehow I don't think the American people are going to want to get behind a conflict with NK. This would be 10X less popular than Vietnam.

    1. Leland1:30 PM

      Since when has Humpty Trumpty EVER cared what the population thinks?

  18. Anonymous9:05 AM

    OT? 1 'T'ILLION! "“Over nearly two hours in the situation room, according to the officials, Trump complained about NATO allies, inquired about the United States getting a piece of [Afghanistan’s] mineral WEALTH and repeatedly said the top U.S. general there should be FIRED,”

    djt"1 million"?

    1. Anonymous10:15 AM

      God he wants to fire everyone! Why not appoint Little Jared as his lead military officer in Afghanistan? He could also take Donnie Jr. and Very Little Eric along too.

    2. The only one that needs to be fired is Trump.

      And Ryan and McConnell won't do it.

    3. Anonymous1:05 PM

  19. Anonymous9:22 AM

    A dashboard tracking Russian propaganda on Twitter

    1. Anonymous7:00 PM

      About time. Thank you God.

  20. Anonymous9:29 AM

    Trump attacked the state of New Hampshire by calling it a drug invested den, and both Republicans and Democrats are fighting back.

    In a leaked phone call with Mexico’s president, Trump said, “And we have the drug lords in Mexico that are knocking the hell out of our country. They are sending drugs to Chicago, Los Angeles, and to New York. Up in New Hampshire – I won New Hampshire because New Hampshire is a drug-infested den – is coming from the southern border.”

    1. Stupid fucking Trump.

      They're cooking their own meth domestically now.

      Between meth and legalized marijuana, we're putting the drug cartels out of business. When you can buy domestically, why pay for the imported stuff? Cocaine and heroin are on there way out.

  21. Anonymous9:30 AM

    Someone In The White House Leaked Trump’s Calls Because They Are Trying To Warn America

    Beneath all of the astonishing details in the leaked transcripts of Trump's phone calls, there is a much larger point. Someone inside the White House was so concerned about these phone calls that they leaked them to inform the public.

  22. Anonymous9:45 AM

  23. Anonymous10:12 AM

    Well let's see. In Vietnam, the United States proved ideology and Russia provided rice.
    What are we pushing now?
    Trump is using shock politics, and war to overlap the fact that he's a useless piece of shit in the White House.
    Bring Obama back. He and his administration was good at trying to keep the peace. The shitheads in congress and the senate can't really be trusted. They love war.
    War never did no one any good. Except for those funding it.
    It is predicted that should Trump start a war he will benefit from it by becoming America's first dictator.
    America smarten up. Stop being complacent and resist this small time thug in our White House.

  24. Anonymous10:36 AM

    Keystone XL’s potential failure would be a blow to Trump’s legacy, since approving the pipeline was one of his signature campaign promises. But it’s also a warning for Trump’s entire energy agenda of promoting dirty fuels like tar sands and coal. If the market for high-polluting fuels is in decline, then so are Trump’s policies.

  25. Anonymous10:49 AM

    The bully in chief is losing his touch

    Donald Trump has bullied his way through his adult life. Screaming, suing, manipulating the tabloid press and allegedly chiseling employees, he has used wealth, power and a volatile personality to get his way. He bluffed, dodged, insulted and stormed his way through the campaign. For a time, his standing with the GOP base, the fear of nasty tweets (yes, politicians are wimps) and the hope that they could use him to pass their agenda led to a pathetic level of deference from GOP lawmakers.

    Now the president’s poll numbers are in the 30s. He has failed on his signature legislative item (repealing and replacing Obamacare), fired a slew of advisers, been compelled to sign Russia sanctions legislation and failed to halt the special counsel’s investigation into his and his campaign’s Russian affiliations. And now the ice has cracked, the power is ebbing and lawmakers, civil servants, outside groups are unimpressed — and more than willing to shove back:

    ...Trump is a diminished figure, a weakened force after only about six months in office. Once the aura of presidential authority is gone, others (Congress, the chief of staff, third parties) become more and more daring in challenging the president, more willing to speak out (on the record or via leaks) and more insistent on taking matters into their own hands. Trump got to the presidency by faking his way through the campaign, pretending to have skills and knowledge he obviously does not. As he now fakes “being in charge,” watch for him to lash out at real and perceived affronts, step up the number of self-congratulatory lies (so many imaginary phone calls!) and strain even harder to recapture the adulation he experienced on the campaign trail...

    It’s just an embarrassing spectacle at this point.

  26. Anonymous10:53 AM

    Trump is parroting Russian talking points. Russia attacks Congress. Trump attacks Congress. Russia claims hopes for improved relations are ruined. Trump says the US/Russia relationship is at a new low. The President Of The United States should not be moving in lockstep a hostile foreign power while attacking the US Congress.

    The Trump collusion with Russia hasn’t ended. It is still going on. Trump is using Russian talking points to attack a branch of the United States government. Trump is still working with Russia against American interests. Russian propaganda is coming straight out of the Oval Office, as the greatest threat to American democracy in the history of the country is coming from within.

    1. Anonymous7:02 PM

      Why ruin a Russian century tradition? I mean come on.

  27. Anonymous11:47 AM

    so, you yuppie young morons. when the first nuke hits your not going to be able go cry to folks need to study some history like Hitler for starters and japan.
    your past presidents could have rained this in but nooo, we have to be popular to our public sissy's.
    this is a very heavy situation that could get very much worse if ignored. we practiced nuke drills in grade school in the 60's. this threat is as big as ww2. pray to what ever god you believe in that this ends.

  28. Anonymous12:24 PM

    Who isis in CON-troll?

  29. LisaB25951:03 PM

    My kid is in school in Japan, so this makes me nervous.

  30. Anonymous10:22 PM

    Wake up, Leland. Include the Americans in Busan, Osan, Daegu, etc. Not to mention all the, you know, actual Koreans and other non-white people
    who don't figure in your amateur casualty projections.

    Most Americans know pathetically little about ROK, except for the tech advancements. Land of the Morning Calm, and a helluva great nation. Not just a country of US military bases and expats.

    I hope and expect your offspring will be fine. Because I'm not a self-centered atheist like you.

  31. Anonymous10:45 PM

    Lisa, you might feel better to know that Japan is a relatively low-value target for North Korea. Aggression would result in nothing but grief.

    The two nations have hated each other forever. Japan was always at fault, invading and victimizing.

    But North Korea is most threatened by US power. Kim Jong Il is not crazy. He's just sabre-rattling. He almost certainly would not initiate use of nuclear weapons.


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