Sunday, January 16, 2011

No One Listened to Gabrielle Giffords. Update!

From Frank Rich for the New York Times:

In her MSNBC interview that Wednesday, Giffords said that Palin had put the “crosshairs of a gun sight over our district,” adding that “when people do that, they’ve got to realize there’s consequences to that action.” Chuck Todd then asked Giffords if “in fairness, campaign rhetoric and war rhetoric have been interchangeable for years.” She responded that colleagues who had been in the House “20, 30 years” had never seen vitriol this bad. But Todd moved on, and so did the Beltway. What’s the big deal about a little broken glass? Few wanted to see what Giffords saw — that the vandalism and death threats were the latest consequences of a tide of ugly insurrectionism that had been rising since the final weeks of the 2008 campaign and that had threatened to turn violent from the start.

Giffords’s first brush with that reality had occurred some seven months before her office was vandalized — in the red-hot health care fever of August 2009. She had held another “Congress on Your Corner” meeting, at a Safeway in the town of Douglas. There the crowd’s rage and the dropping of a gun by one attendee prompted aides worried about her safety to summon the police. The Tucson Tea Party co-founder, Trent Humphries, told The Arizona Daily Star afterward that this was a lie, that “nobody was threatening Gabby.” After Loughner’s massacre, Humphries was still faulting her — this time for holding “an event in full view of the public with no security whatsoever.”

Others on the right spent last week loudly protesting the politicization of tragedy. What was most revealing was how often they tried to rewrite the history of previous incidents having nothing to do with Loughner. A Palin aide claimed that her target map was only invoking a “surveyor’s symbol,” not gun sights. A Tucson Tea Party leader announced that the attack on Giffords’s office (never solved by the police) was probably caused by skateboarding kids. Mike Pence, a potential G.O.P. “values” candidate for president, told the C-Span audience that those bearing firearms at Congressional town hall meetings and Obama events (including one in Arizona that August of 2009) were no different from anti-Bush demonstrators “waving placards.”

This article is well worth your time.  Frank Rich dismisses the idea that "both sides do it," and gets to the meat of the problem. Which is that the vitriol and viciousness of those on the far right has not only intimidated many on the left, it has also managed to frighten those more moderate voices on the right from challenging the hateful rhetoric and encouraging a more cordial dialogue between both sides.

This is the world that Sarah Palin has gone out of her way to help create, and that is why she deserves to have her words attached to ANY act of violence which might have taken its inspiration from the heated political environment that we find ourselves in today.

Update: Sarah Jones of Politicususa has written a very compelling piece on this subject as well.  In my opinion it is a must read.  Here is a sample to whet you appetite:

Imagine if it were Islamic anti-government radicals who had been spreading the sort of lies and propaganda the GOP has when this brutal massacre occurred. How would the nation react to their attempts to distance themselves from their own words and graphics? How would the media and the American people respond to the rage of the Right if they were dressed as fundamentalist Muslims?

89 comments:

  1. Anyone who has the power to make you believe absurdities has the power to make you commit injustices.
    Voltaire

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  2. Anonymous6:50 AM

    Yet this congresswoman STILL refused to have security with her. After her staff repeatedly said they were afraid. What an angel.

    I am not saying things would have turned out differently if security would have been there but you have to agree that she was stupid.

    I disagree that Sarah was the instigator in any of the anger. Threats and outbreaks began far before she started talking. She didn't even start her rhetoric until relatively recently.

    No, You will find all the intense anger began immediately after the inauguration. Yes racism exists, yes sexism exists. These things will probably never vanish from the world. But to group good Americans who happen to be part of the tea party or republican party or democratic party with the crazies is just stupid.

    Stupid people are a party of their own. Some claim DEM, some claim REP, come claim teabagger status. But they all share the crazy gene and that is why it was reprehensible to tie the shooting to any one specific person, OTHER THAN JARED LOUGHNER.

    Most politicians have said dangerous and/or insensitive things incl the current President.

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  3. Anonymous6:51 AM

    I still can't get over that the damn White House (or whomever) wanted people to applaud at a memorial.

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  4. Anonymous7:05 AM

    How is everyone letting PALIN say retreat and reload does not refer to gun, in her reality show when pretending Bristol knows about guns she used the phrase.,,,,

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  5. Anonymous7:08 AM

    On Gawker, it's become fashionable to say that Sarah Palin is not at fault for the Tucson. I, commenting whenever I can, including when I am at work, which makes me worry that I might lose my job -- but whatever, it's worth it -- refute this. Here's why: The shooter was a conspiracy theorist, hardcore. And when mainstream statesmen blab about conspiracies such as FEMA camps, death panels, and a plot -- vaguely described -- to pretend that a Kenyan was born in the US, you give credence to the bizarre conspiracies of others. Sarah was at the forefront of this -- death panels, hinted about being a birther, etc. She also implied that Barack Obama was trying to expand government to control us with implications that there's a kind of nefariousness.

    She's responsible for the shooting, and not because of the crosshairs.

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  6. Anonymous7:08 AM

    How ironic Bristol purchased a home in Arizonia, does anyone know why Palin feel the need to not retreat and let the families mourn., she is the worst type of person.I think in her own sick way she loves the attention., she is a true whack job

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  7. frank rich is like a war hug of rationality and compassion. i love to read his work.

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  8. Anonymous7:17 AM

    I'm from Indiana and although Pence is not my congressman he is a know-nothing, a former talk-show host on Indiana radio. He's the epitome of low taxes for the rich and no services for anyone. When Pence makes a comparison with gun-toting Republicans and placard-waving anti Bush people it is laughable, but people who don't pay any attention just eat that kind of garbage up. Don't be taken in by the smooth talking Pence.

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  9. Anonymous7:22 AM

    We who are watchers of the Snow Queen have been
    pointing out her violent rhetoric since she first burst
    onto the national scene, equating Pres. Obama with
    those evil terrorist/Muslim/un-real Americans. I have
    said from the beginning that she and she alone opened
    the gates for the Koch Terrorists to flood into our
    political landscape. Our country is changed because of
    her and not for the better.

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  10. Anonymous7:25 AM

    Remember, the 90s were a worse time. The difference being Bill Clinton is a highly intelligent, capable leader

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  11. Frank Rich has always written good article and is normally spot on with his assessments. Thanks for sharing. He is always worth reading and I agree with Palin will always deserve to have the word violence attached to her name...now that I agree with that...I'm not sure that I said it like it was said in your article:)

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  12. Anonymous7:26 AM

    On Sarah Palin's Death Threat Claims

    By repeating the Sarah Palin death-threat meme sans evidence, these major news outlets mislead the public, continue to lower journalistic standards, divert the country from more pressing issues related to the attempted Giffords assassination (gun control, violent rhetoric and its consequences; mental illness) and reward the right-wing bloggers who have been trying nonstop to legitimate this meme, sans evidence, all week long—again, with zero corroborating evidence.

    http://www.thenation.com/blog/157732/sarah-palins-death-threat-claims

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  13. Anonymous7:29 AM

    Palin Hit List Shows Pattern of Successful Targeting for Terror

    Palin’s hit list involved 20 Democrats who voted yes for healthcare. The Republicans ran on repealing healthcare in the 2010 elections. The Republicans also spent the last two years rabble rousing over healthcare reform.

    The legal definition of terrorism is: “Terrorist involves the systematic use of terror or violence to achieve political goals. The targets of terrorism include government officials, identified individuals or groups, and innocent bystanders.” Terrorism involves acts by subversives, acts of annihilation, criminal acts, demolition, destruction, extermination, fanaticism, revolution, terrorist act, or tyranny.

    The political goal of the Republicans is to keep the Obama administration from reversing the last 20 years of loose oversight over corporations. In order to accomplish this, the Koch brothers funded the Tea Party and set their foot soldiers into motion. Obstructing healthcare reform was their first goal and the Koch brothers would tell you that this is because they are free market liberty ideologues (ironically, healthcare reform uses free market principle of competition among private entities to achieve its goal but it also involves stronger regulations and this is what the corporatists feel they must fight).

    Historically, ideology has motivated Middle Eastern terrorist regimes, where religious fundamentalism is now combined with secular opposition as a source of violence. This sounds frighteningly like the merger of the hard Dominionist New Apostle Reform fundamentalist Christians (Palin) with the far right Tea Party. An important psychological component of terrorism is the symbolism behind it, and hence the targets of terrorism are symbols of the state (your elected representatives) or of social norms (civility, not showing up with assault weapons at a townhall meeting) and structure (townhall meetings, meet and greet with your representative). Thorton defined terrorism thusly: “In an internal war situation, terror is a symbolic act designed to influence political behavior by extranormal means, entailing the use or threat of violence.”

    http://www.politicususa.com/en/palin-hit-list-terror

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  14. Anonymous7:30 AM

    to 7:22

    when did violence start?

    when did Sarah actively come on the scene as an individual not part of a campaign?

    Thats the disconnect. Politicians, leaders, celebs, whoever have been receiving hateful messages since the beginning. Even a brilliant leader like Washington had his share of tabloid fodder and attacks. Yes the man had personal flaws but he recognized them in the end. He and history and ones to learn from. We need leadership. We haven't had leadership for about 10 years. I don't see things changing unless the President does some major soul searching and develops spine and selfless agenda

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  15. mommom7:34 AM

    6:51

    I still cant get over that the damn Palin cult members(or what ever) have no idea what closed captioning and Kyron is.Look it up.Maybe you will learn something.The jumbotron displays what is being said for those who are unable to hear it.When there is laughter,the Kyron will say "laughter".When there is applause,it will say "applause",because it is stating what is heard,it is not telling someone what to do.Good God gullible stupid bots should get some of that elite book learning before they post on the internet.

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  16. Anonymous7:36 AM

    Hatefull Palin followers blame the victim.You all belong together with your clueless nasty,vindictive leader.She suits you fine.Too bad you dont even realize its Becky that you follow,she writes the script,Palin plays the part.

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  17. Anonymous7:37 AM

    One of more absurd historical comparisons ever made is of Sarah Palin and Abraham Lincoln. Yet absurd as it is, some conservatives have actually made this claim.

    http://www.politicususa.com/en/why-sarah-palin-isnt-abraham-lincoln

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  18. Anonymous7:37 AM

    After Sarah and Bristol testified in Tennessee in the David Kernell trial, Sarah also said that actions had consequences. She wanted to see Kernell rot in prison for the rest of his life for guessing her password (where did you meet your husband) and posting her private emails on-line.

    There are a couple of problems here. Sarah says that others should have to pay the consequences for their actions. That rule does not apply to Sarah. The second thing is that Sarah used her private email account for government business, flying below the radar and keeping open records secret. She has never paid any consequences for that action either.

    Is Sarah responsible for the actions of others? After Sarah gave campaign speeches in 2008, the Secret Service reported increased death threats against Obama. A responsible, mature leader should be able see all sides of the situation. The proper response would be to turn down the rhetoric. Sarah loves saying sensational things because of the attention it generates. People talk about her. She loves it. She is not an inspiration leader who elevates the conversation. She is still the mean girl from high school, surrounded by the clique that loves the gossip until it is turned on them. For Sarah to claim to be the victim in the Arizona shooting is as outrageous as calling the cross hairs "surveyor's symbols."

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  19. Anonymous7:38 AM

    They can spin that "both sides do it" forever but seems they don't notice that one side doesn't USE a gun or violence to intimidate others.

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  20. Anonymous7:38 AM

    Chuck Todd is one of the worst of the MSM. He pretends to be neutral but he is not. He has enabled all of this, just like the rest of them.

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  21. Anonymous7:39 AM

    Anonymous 6:51am

    You really think they held up "Applause" signs during the memorial? It's a free country - if people felt so inclined to show their feelings through "clapping" so what???

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  22. Anonymous7:42 AM

    6:50:

    "I disagree that Sarah was the instigator in any of the anger. Threats and outbreaks began far before she started talking. She didn't even start her rhetoric until relatively recently. "

    Fuck you. Sarah's rhetoric started in October 2008 when she accused the president of palling around with terrorists.

    The president has...used the word fight figuratively.

    NOT EQUIVALENT.

    So, fuck you again.

    PS I know I should be more civil. Agreed. But you need a brain transplant. Agree on that.

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  23. Anonymous7:45 AM

    ¨No One Listened to Gabrielle Giffords.¨

    They´re listening to her now.

    That is for sure.

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  24. Anonymous7:48 AM

    6:50 A.M.,

    St. Ronald Reagan was shot. I guess he was stupid, too. He didn't have enough secret service with him. He was stupid, stupid, stupid! No matter how you try to spin it, $arah Palin is to blame.

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  25. Anonymous7:50 AM

    Frank always gets to the heart of any issue. At various times, I have tried to listen to Limbaugh, Hannity, Beck, etc. After only a few minutes, the only question that remained is how could any unstable follower of theirs not think they were doing the right, courageous and patriotic thing by shooting or attacking an elected official who is constantly maligned on these shows? In my view, just a few minutes revealed a dangerous call to arms, not disagreement on policy.

    The problem for those such as Sarah, Rush, Hannity and Beck is if they take it down a notch, their followers won't so rabid and hang on their every word, and as a result, and their ratings and money dry up. Their shtick is vitriol. If they give it up, they give up the perks.

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  26. Anonymous7:50 AM

    6:50 A.M.,

    People still get shot weather they have securtiy, or not stupid. But you already knew that. Spin, spin, spin...

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  27. Anonymous7:53 AM

    6:50am. "...you have to agree that she was stupid".

    You are the lowest form of life. You are a hideous, despicable person. This has to be the new Palinbot/Fox News/Limbaugh talking point, i.e. it was her fault that she got shot.

    I didn't think your side could stoop any lower, but you just succeeded.

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  28. Anonymous7:59 AM

    6:51 A.M.,

    Give it a rest. The right-wing talking point that the memorial was inappropriate is not gaining traction. What's wrong with the crowd cheering for people who tackled the gunman? What's wrong with the crowd applauding a call for unity?

    The "damn" White House didn't put together the event. The President was an invited guest. Families of the victims were present during the memorial. So far, I have not heard any complaints from any of the victims' families about the memorial. If they are not complaining than why are you? To score political points for your side, obviously, and to change the subject.

    Fail.

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  29. Anonymous8:02 AM

    7:25 A.M.,

    So is the current President.

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  30. Anonymous8:04 AM

    Her crosshairs post is still up. Why hasn't Facebook pulled it down?
    If I were the Giffords, I would feel terrorized to see that Palin still has Gabby's name on her hit list, still up on Facebook for her mentally ill followers to act on.

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  31. Anonymous8:05 AM

    Gryphen...I appreciate your willingness to let everyone speak, but many of your readers need a respite from the anger. When I read a comment accusing Gabby of being stupid, I just shook with sadness. It is beyond human decency.

    When it involves this tragedy, can't those troll comments not enter into your comment section? Please, Gryph? I come here for a soft place to land when I think there isn't any hope for this country. To hear Gabby being called stupid is just heart wrenching.

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  32. Anonymous8:06 AM

    7:30 A.M.,

    The President is a far better leader than anyone ont the right. What does the president need soul-searching for? It's the other side that need soul-searching. Including yourself.

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  33. Anonymous8:11 AM

    I wonder if in a civil lawsuit, SarahPAC donors could be found liable for Palin's famous campaign crosshair rhetoric OR if even the Kochs or Murdoch could share a burden of liability as her employers. The last 2 have deep pockets...

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  34. Anonymous8:12 AM

    6:51am. While you've tried to float the talking point of the memorial service being inappropriate due to applause, I would like to ask the families, friends and citizens of Tuscon how it made them feel. I believe they thought it was a wonderful memorial that contrasted the ugliness of the politics in Arizona with some very decent people. It brought joy and hope to them. When they start complaining about the service, then I will listen to your talking point. Until then, just keep repeating over and over again while bashing Obama on your regular circuit.

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  35. Anonymous8:17 AM

    As the events in Tucson showed last week, words have consequences and when there is more bloodshed, the instigators will claim it is the person who pulls the trigger who is ultimately to blame and at some level that is true. However, politicians are elected to legislate and govern, not to call for violence against the government. In the 1960s, Charles Manson provoked his followers to murder several innocent people and he will spend the rest of his life in prison even though he was not present when the murders were committed. It should be no different for elected officials. When the first shot is fired, Bachmann, Perry, Palin, Angle and the two saps from South Carolina should be summarily arrested and convicted as if they pulled the trigger themselves.

    http://www.politicususa.com/en/obama-tea-party-tyranny

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  36. Anonymous8:22 AM

    Do we really need to provide security protection for members of congress because we can't be civil? Why should people have the right to make others feel afraid? Access to our representatives is
    integral to our democracy. These threats and demonization must stop here and now.

    Sarah Flamethrower Palin took the rhetoric up a notch during the 2008 campaign. She upped the anti to get attention. Now she says it's not fair that the attention focuses on her. That was the gamble she took when she decided to take the path of painting her rivals with untruth and fear.

    Palin, Limbaugh and beck's right to free speech do not trump mine. I intend to let my congressperson know that his partaking in this rhetoric or his silence on the subject is not acceptable.

    I encourage all who read this to call their reps and senators this week and let them know that telling untruths and using violent rhetoric is unacceptable.

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  37. Anonymous8:22 AM

    My goodness! There certainly are a lot of payroll palinbots monitoring IM this weekend. sarah must have been boo hoo hooing about something Gryphen wrote. ¨Whaaaaa! No one is defending me anymore. Whaaaaa! No one commenting supports me anymore. Whaaaaa! Look! Read it yourselves. No one is fighting for me like they used to. Whaaaaaa!¨

    Squirm, palinbots, squirm. Earn your paychecks, you damn malingerers.

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  38. Anonymous8:31 AM

    How predictable,just as Sarah gets called out for her vitrol and bile,little snippets appear..like she was kind of presidential and she was sincere..take that with a grain of salt as the backers of Palin sees the ship sinking and suddenly starts creeping in to change people's mind , however the record is there. Now where was McShame when full blast Palin was beign spewed: now he is shamed into beign "statesman" hum if this had not happened in AZ he would not be saying these things.

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  39. Anonymous 6:50
    "I disagree that Sarah was the instigator in any of the anger. Threats and outbreaks began far before she started talking. She didn't even start her rhetoric until relatively recently."
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    Nonsense. Go back and read Palin's response to the criticism of her crosshairs map months ago. She doubled down on the violence oriented imagery as a direct result of being criticized. She has repeatedly not only used violent rhetoric of her own, she has endorsed others who do so.

    As for security, talk about blaming the victim. How reprehensible. I though only the perpetrator was to be blamed?

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  40. Anonymous said...

    I still can't get over that the damn White House (or whomever) wanted people to applaud at a memorial.

    6:51 AM
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    No one "wanted" people to applaud. The idiot blogger who thought he caught instructions to applaud on the Jumbotropn didn't realize thought he was seeing the closed captioning describing the spontaneous applause.

    Nice try, though.

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  41. Anonymous8:40 AM

    ...Rather it is that, as Jonathan Martin says, Palin’s response shows she isn’t either interested in or able to ”move beyond her brand of grievance-based politics.” Palin never misses an opportunity to go on the offensive. She never seems to acknowledges even the possibility that she might be at fault. Instead she always doubles down and plays the victim of unfair attacks by establishment politicians and the mainstream media—even when it is ridiculous or in poor taste to do so.

    This aggressive unwillingness to compromise or admit fault is a large part of why her supporters adore her so much, and it is always good for keeping her in the headlines. But it is also a large part of why she is so unpopular with moderates and independents. Winning a national election requires knowing when to be conciliatory, as well as when it isn’t appropriate to become the story—skills Obama has, but Palin has so far not shown.

    http://bigthink.com/ideas/26549

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  42. Anonymous8:46 AM

    7:25 A.M.,

    "Remember, the 90s were a worse time. The difference being Bill Clinton is a highly intelligent, capable leader"

    Barack Obama is a highly intellegent and capable leader, too. His poll numbers are higher than where Bill Clinton's were during this point in his presidency, despite the unemployment rate being much higher than it was in the 1990's. And so far, he's been scandal-free.

    If you think the 1990's were worse than the past ten years, which include 9/11, and an economic meltdown, you are delusional. I like Bill Clinton, but I'm not going to pretend the 1990's were worse than past decade. You just want to take a swipe at the current president. When are you going to get over the primaries?

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  43. Anonymous8:49 AM

    This article is by far the best I've come across regarding WHO is using violent eliminationist rhetoric...


    http://shakespearessister.blogspot.com/2011/01/lets-get-this-straight.html

    follow_the_news

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  44. teutonic138:49 AM

    Our BACK TO THE FUTURE MOMENT

    Just think if Sarah Palin had never become a politician?

    What would the world be like?

    Well first of all- we would not be "we"... No Palin = NoGates

    Gryphen would still be a school teacher.

    Miller would be sneaking around his lawyers office (like a shoe clerk) doing what he does.

    Van Flein would be advertising on tv

    Linda Biegel would be blogging about home accents

    It would be the 20 th anniversay of the opening of "Sarah's Beehive" hair salon

    The falafel lady would be a sitiing politician

    AKM would be a "friend who has a blog"

    Ram would pursue her lesbian feelings for a girl named Sarah

    No Sports Complex for Wasilla.

    No one would ever know how to spell Murkowski

    Shannyn Moore would be fighting for the IRA

    Mr Kernell would be in Grad School.

    The tea party would be at your grandmas house

    It would still be President Obama

    No Angle

    No Death Panels

    A University of Arizona Tragedy- instead of the Tucson Massacre

    Levi and Bristol would be living in a trailer somewhere watching trig and tripp at play.

    Mercede's mom would be in a diversionary rehab program

    Todd would be messing with the bar flies up at the slope.

    Track would be in the halfway house next door

    Bristol would be a receptionist at a dental office

    Healthcare would have passed earlier

    Most of us would get back a year or so of the lives we have spent on Palin Blog sites.

    AustinTx would be hitting up the ladies at PerryGates

    I would have started on my book right about now instead of a year and a half ago...

    Thank God for Sarah !!!

    How would your own lives be different? Please add your own parallel universe theory below :)

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  45. Anonymous8:54 AM

    I am very much in favor of freedom of speech. But I also know there are some limits, as embodied in such homilies as "your right to swing your first ends at my nose" or more to the point, "you cannot yell 'fire' in a crowded building."

    It's not just Palin, of course - she's had her fifteen minutes of fame and will continue to become increasingly irrelevant, even if she is able to keep earning cash for being herself. But Palin, and others who hint at "Second Amendment remedies" and other such threats when they don't get what they want or don't like somebody, are yelling "fire" - in more ways then one.

    So, a thought experiment: Let's say I ended this post with a photo of Palin, with crosshairs on her face. And maybe added a few photos of myself holding big weaponry, as she likes to be seen. And that soon a mentally compromised person took a shot at her (but missed - let's keep this non-bloody). Does anybody believe that the Tea Partiers, and many of the others who have jumped to defend Palin's own crosshairs and language, would still hold that such imagery and language makes no difference?

    I think we know the answer to that, at least.

    http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/sheilig/detail?entry_id=81075

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  46. Anonymous8:56 AM

    I think this goes deeper than Palin herself, who I see as a sock puppet for darker forces in the Republican Party that have been waiting to stir this particular pot for years. Just waiting for a "Palin" who is bobbled headed enough to do their bidding.

    It is curious, no, that whatever you might say about Palin prior to the nomination, she never ratcheted up to the vile level she immediately adopted upon her nomination. In fact, she had somewhat of a reputation for bipartisanship.

    I think that she was given her marching orders as part and parcel of the nomination to go right out there and say and do the things the RNC knew McCain would never say or do - or if he did, he would not be believed it would be such a sharp contrast to the man he was before. Palin was put out there to do the dirty work they had been itching to do since Clinton.

    And I think they have been wildly successful beyond their dreams.

    MicMac

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  47. Anonymous8:57 AM

    Obama's Live Performance vs Palin's Taped Audition

    Sarah Palin really, really wants to be your president. She wants it so badly, in fact, that she elected herself to submit the Republican response to President Obama's speech in Arizona before he even delivered it. This preemptive move basically amounted to a taped audition for the role of President In A Time Of Crisis, offered up just in time for the start of the 2012 campaign.

    What is confusing is who Palin's intended audience was. Was it the production team (the government) or the underwriters (you and me), or was it the casting directors (Republican primary voters)? It seemed to start out promising -- arguably the second most prominent figure on the national political stage making a genuine attempt to lead a horrified nation. But before she was halfway through she had alienated just about everyone but her most hardcore base, the 70 percent of Republicans that have a favorable view of her. For three days they've been harboring feelings of guilt which quickly turned to indignation. They were in need of absolution, and Palin was there to give it. To these folks her tryout played pretty well, most likely. To the rest of the general public, well, it didn't exactly leave us wanting more.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/darin-murphy/obamas-live-performance-v_b_808379.html

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  48. Anonymous8:59 AM

    anon 7:59 ... thanks for your response... times 2.

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  49. To Anon @ 6:50 AM,

    Did you click on the link and actually read the article? There is more information in there that address what you are talking about. The violent rhetoric that Republican leaders have been using has steadily been increasing these past couple of years. Their base has been listening to them and it has escalated their fear and anger. Fox News has not called them on it, in fact, they encourage it. Glen Beck has further twisted minds into believing that Americans can't trust our government and they have to be afraid of this administration. Even Fox News has started to become a little fearful of what it has helped create.

    Sam Sheppard gets worried about increase in violent emails

    I'm not talking about crazy people here. I'm talking about regular people who have a particular ideology, who put themselves in a media bubble. They proudly state, "I only listen to Fox News!" Then they read forwarded email with screaming caps that tell them that the government is corrupt and becoming socialist. That there are 'Death Panels' and that Obama wants to take away gun rights. They never seem to want to verify for themselves if this is true or not. It DOES affect people mentally and emotionally.

    Just ask my father. This is him in a nutshell. I love him very much, but I can tell you it has affected him. He has started hiding guns around the house. He has begun to seriously believe that something bad is going to happen with our government.

    And that is a directly due to Glen Beck, Fox News and our Republican leaders who tell him to be afraid!

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  50. Anonymous9:05 AM

    Sarah Palin started her hate kick out tour when McCain picked her after talking with her for 15 minutes. That was over 2 years ago and she has never shut her hateful mouth. She has called the President a terrorist and many other names and has tried to trash the First Lady.

    The Secret Service had a talk with her and McCain during the campaign because of the death threats again Obama at that time. She was paid to ratchet up the hate and was rewarded with paid speeches and other things.

    It was a disaster when Palin was chosen because she was so un-educated and ignorant that she said anything and never took responsibility. She was then a mental case and it has gotten worse.

    Those working for Palin have tried to elevate her to a Queen instead of a candidate for political office and this is also where things began to go extremely downhill as some tried to worship her instead of just supporting a candidate for office.

    She is like the oil spill that destroyed almost everything in its path. History will show her as the "Face of Evil".

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  51. Anonymous9:11 AM

    McCain Calls Obama a 'Patriot,' Rejects Critics Who Say He's 'Unworthy' to Lead

    McCain said that Obama had "comforted and inspired the country" and performed an important service by encouraging "every American who participates in our political debates - whether we are on the left or right or in the media - to aspire to a more generous appreciation of one another and a more modest one of ourselves."

    "Our political discourse should be more civil than it currently is, and we all, myself included, bear some responsibility for it not being so," McCain said.

    http://www.politicsdaily.com/2011/01/16/mccain-calls-obama-a-patriot-rejects-critics-who-say-hes-un/

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  52. Anonymous says: I disagree that Sarah was the instigator in any of the anger. Threats and outbreaks began far before she started talking. She didn't even start her rhetoric until relatively recently.

    Just recently? Her VP run was nothing but hate speech after hate speech where people screamed "kill him" referring to President Obama. Did she tone it down then? No not Sarah the loving christian. Do you think implying he was pals with terrorists, he was Muslim, not like us,different, (brown) had anything to do with the hatred toward him? Gee let me think who started that shit. Oh yeah Sarah Palin Mrs. Pitbull with lipstick. She is far from a Pitbull, there good dogs, that assholes fight. What is her excuse?

    What does don't retreat reload me to you? Why did Sarah Palin back Sharon Angle another person who spews hate filled crap?

    You are allowed to post here unlike Palin websites where they flag you when you don't agree with them. In another words anything that doesn't kiss Sarah's ass. Have a good day.

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  53. Anonymous9:22 AM

    Fox pundit: Palin admitted political discourse can cause violence

    Fox News contributor Mara Liasson said Sunday that while defending use of gun imagery, Fox News employee Sarah Palin actually admitted that political discourse can cause violence.

    http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/01/fox-pundit-palin-admitted-political-discourse-violence/

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  54. Anonymous9:42 AM

    O/T: Interesting stream... baby girl for "Liz"?
    http://twitter.com/Bristol_Palin

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  55. http://mediamatters.org/blog/201101150004

    About the "applause" on the jumbo-tron. What you saw was actually real time closed captioning for the deaf. Not a request for applause.

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  56. Anonymous10:35 AM

    Ironic the right wing wishes to have anyone and everyone "armed and dangerous" yet don't see the disconnect when in the same breath advocate ultra security measures. Sad that our reps would have to go to the measure of having secret service protection, just so their constituents can talk with them, or having to create a bubble (plexiglass bubble around congressional gallery as supported by a winger)...why not have sensible laws that allow for guns AND protect the people, the congress and society?

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  57. If Sarah goes through with her love fest with Hannity tomorrow on MLK day it will be more bad news for her.

    Even if she admits her rhetoric was wrong, she will and should be vilified for once again putting the focus on "her" instead of more important events.

    And who here thinks she will admit to any wrong doing in the first place?

    MLK was a man of peace. Sarah is a woman of violence and hate.

    She and Beck had their DC gathering on the day and at the site he gave his "I Have A Dream" speech.

    She should be ashamed if once again she intrudes on a national day of celebration that means so much to so many people.

    However, we all know she has no shame!!

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  58. Anonymous11:04 AM

    Conservatives and Obama's speech

    The Tucson speech may go down as one of the most important of Barack Obama's presidency, so it's worth nailing down its most important accomplishment: He finally got conservatives to listen to what he had to say - about them.

    Conservatives have widely hailed Obama's speech, primarily because they think he "rebuked" the left when he said that our overheated discourse didn't cause the Arizona shootings. This line was important but not for the reasons conservatives think it was. By absolving the right from blame, he made it impossible for them to shut out his larger message.

    Obama's statement that rhetoric didn't cause the massacre is best understood as a set-up to the larger point that followed: that the bloodshed confers a moral obligation upon all of us to improve the tone and integrity of our discourse. If Obama had delivered this latter message without the set-up, conservatives would have had an opening to reject it as political.

    Before the speech, it was widely assumed that Obama would not engage the topic of civility in our political discourse. Many on the right had been in a defensive crouch - in some ways understandably so - leaving them inclined to interpret even general calls for toning down rhetoric as thinly disguised blame for the murders. Obama, the thinking went, would not risk broaching the subject.

    But Obama took on the topic in a big way. By leading with an explicit statement that the tone of our discourse was not to blame for the killings, he made it impossible for conservatives to maintain their defensive posture, compelling them to respond positively to his larger message.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/01/14/AR2011011406766.html?referrer=emailarticle

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  59. Mickey11:04 AM

    Republicans tell people to be afraid of the government.

    Republicans tell people to love the gun.

    Democrats do not.

    Case closed.

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  60. Anonymous @ 6:51 There have been many who condemned the behavior at the memorial service but there is an article online from the Mayor of Tucson who spoke about why the atmosphere was as seen. It's definitely worth reading. If you like, google it, and you'll see what their feelings were the night of the memorial.

    Here's a great comment from someone who was there that sums up what was going on.

    ================================Cheering in Tucson
    I live in Tucson, and I attended the Wednesday memorial service at which President Obama and several other attendees were cheered and applauded repeatedly during the evening. I suspect that anyone who is criticizing the good citizens of Tucson did not stand with them for six and eight and twelve hours to get in to this event. Perhaps if they had, those critics might have understood the grand emotions those twenty-five thousand people were feeling: sorrow for the dead and their families, joy for the survivors and their loved ones, hope for our city and our country, and knowledge that the others around us were joined in those emotions. Please excuse us if we did not conform to some New York or Washington, D.C. model of decorum in our expression of feelings. And please do not try to politicize our gathering in retrospect. We had just gone through four days of hell, and still had to face on Thursday and beyond the final services for those we had lost. We came together with the leaders of our city, state and country to look for a way forward, and many of us found it. We came to cheer our heroes, the student who staunched Gabrielle Giffords' wounds, the people who wrestled the gunman to the ground and held him for the police, our medical community which poured its soul into saving our victims, and the elected leaders who bravely showed us that democracy had not been assassinated by a mad man.
    Did we cheer and applaud? Loudly and happily.

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  61. Anonymous11:17 AM

    The Troll/ Palinbots are here again and what I have to say to you is this: FUCK YOU!!

    Most of the very violent rhetoric comes from the right. How sad you can't own that!!! You will have to sooner or later or choose to continue living in your narrow bubble of denial.

    Second, our current President LIKE President Clinton is ALSO a smart, intelligent and very capable man. The fact that you don't see that shows everything we need to know about you.

    The tea party = the GOP. That is just a fact. The tea party's focus on debt reduction proves that they don't understand how deep this recession is/was and also don't believe what ALL economists say are the proper steps to pull out of a recession. Why don't GOP/tea party people believe what real economists say?? It's very stupid to believe uneducated people lime Limbaugh, Beck, Palin and Hannity over specialists.

    Trolls, why do you come here? Do you think anyone buys your simpleton comments about Sarah Palin or President Obama? You won't ever change your mind about Sarah which says everything! She could take a gun and shoot a bunch of people and you would still call her the victim. You would rather stay in your cult of denial before admitting that Sarah and others from the far right are the PROMINENT inciters of hate and violence in this country NOW, in 2011!! This isn't the 60s anymore.

    I just know that I pedicel God everyday thanking him that most Americans are not in your extreme cult group.

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  62. Anonymous11:21 AM

    Anon 6:51, they applauded the courage of the heroes who risked their lives to save others! They applauded the fact that Gabby was improving. They applauded the doctors and other healthcare people who have done an amazing job! You actually find something wrong with this?? How sad for you!!

    There is something deeply wrong with cold hearted people like you who look for things to criticize instead of seeing the obvious.

    I will pray for your angry vengeful soul.

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  63. Anonymous11:24 AM

    Piper wearing mascara is a red flag. I wonder if Chuckie gave Piper the mascara as a gift? Chuckie must have made sarah wear mascara at Piper´s age when he was giving her the dreaded ¨reverse pony rides.¨

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  64. Anonymous11:31 AM

    Absolutely, NoMooseStew. Her speech at the convention showed a barely suppressed vindictive side. The people who attended her rallies at that time, when they crossed a line with that chanting - John McCain had the sense to speak out about it a little, if I remember correctly. That was really an indication of things to come.

    Sarah had no intention of speaking out against it then, and she has continued to ratchet up both the rhetorical content itsel, and the ugly, highly charged emotions behind it. She is a frighteningly charismatic cheerleader, she needs to take responsibility for that. It's all about the spirit of a thing, the intentions behind it. Her behavior has had the worst sort of motivation behind it and she can't deny it.

    She may pretend she's "speaking truth to power", but the reality is that she has been quite happy to simply rally extremists to her side, and that has been her real agenda. To get votes, period. She will say anything in the service of that. She doesn't care how she gets them, she just cares that she gets them.

    Probably that ship has sailed for her on that, God willing. Awaiting the info that will make sure of it...

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  65. Anonymous11:35 AM

    Rise of the Fright Wing

    ...Ms. Giffords herself warned about the danger of violent imagery at the time, saying: “We’re on Sarah Palin’s targeted list…But the thing is the way that she has it depicted has the cross hairs of a gun sight over our district. When people do that, they’ve got to realize there’s consequences to that.” She was right.

    Words do matter in politics. By pumping up fear and hate in the service of hyper-partisanship—by using conflict, tension, fear and resentment as a formula for driving ratings—we are playing with forces that can easily get out of control. We are giving cover—and sometimes a sense of purpose—to the crazy among us.

    History shows us that it is most often the lone gunman who takes hate-filled teachings to their ultimate extension of outright violence.

    http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2011-01-15/jared-loughner-and-the-rise-of-the-political-fright-wing/?cid=hp:mainpromo3

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  66. TNbluedot11:37 AM

    Not a big Sally Quinn fan, but there's a good article in today's WaPo:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/16/opinion/16rich.html?_r=1&src=ISMR_HP_LO_MST_FB

    Example of several spot-on points:

    "It would be an understatement to say that Palin's video release about herself was inappropriate on the same day President Obama flew to Tucson to memorialize those who had been killed or wounded. To say it was self destructive is also an understatement. To say that it showed lack of leadership would be too obvious."

    There are the typically nasty reader comments by the Paliban, as expected whenever someone speaks the truth about their queen.

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  67. Anonymous11:40 AM

    Enough with the posting of twitter messages from bristo_palin

    IT'S NOT HER PEOPLE.
    It's been posted over and over and over again.

    This is the Lizz person referred to
    http://twitter.com/LizzXXXTayler

    It continues to blow me away of how many people believe everything they read. It's like celebs coming out and saying what was printed about them were lies yet will be amazed at a story printed about someone else and believe it and put it out there like truth. The fact that so many people don't look further into something but accept it at face value - no wonder the US is where it is. The dumbing down of America is alive and well.

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  68. Anonymous11:52 AM

    THE BOOK.....ON SARAH PALIN'S NASTY TONGUE!


    James 3:5-12 (New International Version, ©2010)

    5 Likewise, the tongue is a small part of the body, but it makes great boasts. Consider what a great forest is set on fire by a small spark. 6 The tongue also is a fire, a world of evil among the parts of the body. It corrupts the whole body, sets the whole course of one’s life on fire, and is itself set on fire by hell.

    MAYBE IT WILL BURST INTO FLAME WHILE SHE IS SPEWING HER LIES TO HANITY MONDAY. DON'T WE WISH!!!

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  69. Anonymous12:25 PM

    Some days when i read this blog I feel that there is no hope for this country.

    I understand how Fuller felt when he threatened the head of the Tea Party in AZ. But, I have learned to walk away. And, unfortunately I will walk away from this country if Palin succeeds because it means that there are too many kindred spirits. I cannot live like that. She is evil. She is like an evil doll from a horror movie.

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  70. Anonymous12:36 PM

    Sorry to be off-topic, but if Bristol's not grabbing swag right this minute at the Golden Globes gifting suites, she's knocked up.
    NYTC

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  71. Anonymous12:47 PM

    I've not read any of these responses as yet, but as I said in a prior comment last night - under a different heading than this - I can hardly wait for Gabby to give us her 'public' verbal opinion of Palin when she gets out of the hospital.

    I hope she crucifies Palin for her map and gunsites. She has every right to, as do the other victims of the shootout.

    Palin's rhetoric has to be stopped - she is the most careless with her commentary and has been since McCain picked her to run w/him. Thank God they didn't win and that we have our wonderful President Obama at the lead!

    She will forever be connected to this - and will go down in the history books in a very negative manner. Congratulations, Palin - you idiiot!

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  72. Anonymous12:59 PM

    6:50 Where were you two years ago? Obviously not listening to Palin's horrid words on the campaign trail. She is to blame and is one evil woman...this media rhetoric that takes Palin off the hook is unbelievable. Most of us don't believe it.

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  73. Anonymous1:00 PM

    Dear Trolls:

    So how exactly does this work? Do you paid by the word or the post? To whom do I have to submit a writing sample? I was recently fired by my Teabagger boss because I live in an "at will" state and don't have any rights as a worker. I'm a damn fine little fiction writer with some national publication credits. I don't have any particular religious idealogy, but I can sure pretend. I'm anxiously awaiting your reply.

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  74. Anonymous1:07 PM

    re: the Fine Folks at Fox (tm) reporting that Sarah "admitted" rhetoric can lead to violence.

    um, no. They are parsing her words in the audition tape. Until she stands up on live TV and the words "I screwed up" issue forth from her mouth, she has admitted nothing.

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  75. Anonymous1:08 PM

    Trolls are biting today.

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  76. Anonymous1:09 PM

    Can you folks imagine Palin's rhetoric had she, Toad, Bristol and the others been put in gun crosshairs on a map that was put out there for all Americans to see?

    WOW! How do you think that would have felt Palins?

    Just remember, sister Sarah, you are going to meet your maker one of these days (like all of us) and I'm sure your path will not be to heaven (if there is such a place?)

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  77. Anonymous1:18 PM

    Yes, Palin showed she was a racist when she was Mayor of Wasilla - Jewish - Stein - at that point. She showed it again when quitter governor of Alaska - re: natives and blacks. She showed it again as to then candidate Obama and thank God, he was elected vs McCain and Palin.

    Had McCain properly vetted her, she more than likely would not have been picked as McCain's running mate.

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  78. Anonymous2:15 PM

    Anon@7:08 On Gawker, it's become fashionable to say that Sarah Palin is not at fault for the Tucson...

    And really what does Gawker matter? "One who argues with a fool is a fool" -- an old piece of wisdom.

    Those trying to make the case that the violent rhetoric of Right wing extremists in the media and politics had nothing to do with the AZ tragedy can offer no proof for their claim, since there is no proof that people are uninfluenced by their milieu--in fact evidence abounds for the opposite case.

    It is easily demonstrable that words have effects.

    It is also easily demonstrable that feelings are infectious.

    Another point: the standard for assigning some responsibility in the AZ shootings to the violent and intolerant speech characterizing Right wing extremists since the 1990s is not the same standard as that of a court of law. There are levels of guilt and responsibilty; intelligent people recognize that at once.

    Years before the Jews were collectively rounded up and killed by the Nazis the German public was repeatedly exposed to propaganda films, cartoons, and literature likening Jews to rats, criminals, subhumans etc.That type of desensitization is necessary before a human can easlily harm another human.

    We need to all take reponsibilty for our words and deplore dehumanizing and vicious characterizations and threats whenever and wherever we can.

    Again--I would not waste time arguing with those in denial, but go forward by teaching our children (by example primarily) and others who more open to civility and truth how to respect each other in speech and deed.

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  79. Anonymous2:24 PM

    I'd tell you what I think of Pence but it is uncivil. There is a huge difference between placards and guns.

    PBS's Need to Know did a piece on guns the other night. I was imagining being at a heated political event with some of the people with their holsters and just thinking about it gave me hives. Am I going to have to learn to shoot so I can feel safe sharing my opinion at a town hall meeting?!

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  80. Anonymous2:49 PM

    The map targeting Giffords is still up on Palin's FB page. The Congreswoman SAID she was uncomfortable with having her name on it, it was CLEAR when she talked about it. Now that she's been SHOT, and is fighting for her life, can't this moronic hillbilly take her fucking sign down?

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  81. Anonymous said...

    Absolutely, NoMooseStew. Her speech at the convention showed a barely suppressed vindictive side.


    McCain did say that President Obama was not a Muslim (if he was so what) and he was a decent man. I will give him credit for that. But to pick Sarah as VP was not forgivable. Did he think she compared at all to Hillary Clinton?
    Sarah reminds me of the bullies that picked on kids in high school that they deemed different. Now it is not high school but our country at stake.

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  82. majii3:50 PM

    The Palin apologists are as guilty as she is of embracing and endorsing bad behavior and defending it when the result is a negative consequence of that behavior. A Christian admits when he/she has been wrong and asks for forgiveness, at least that's what my Bible says. I guess none of them take very seriously Jesus' warning about false prophets either. A Christian is supposed to be known as a follower of Christ by his/her behavior. Palin does not behave like a Christian.

    To the bots:

    How many guns would Jesus carry?

    How many people would Jesus say are reel Americans?

    How many wars would Jesus cheer about in front of huge crowds?

    How many Americans would Jesus deny health care to?

    How many lies would Jesus tell on President Obama, democrats, and liberals?

    How many peaceful Muslims would Jesus call terrorists?

    These are just a few things for you to think about as you merrily allow Palin to help you continue on your path to perdition.

    No true Christian follows a liar and a hypocrite. If someone says he/she is a Christian and believes what Palin says, my Bible says your father is the Devil, not the heavenly Father.

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  83. Notice that sarah's trolls can come over here and post whatever they want. If we post on their sites our comments are deleted.
    Do they even think about this? We believe in freedom of speech on the left, the right has to delete any negative or truthful comments because they do not believe in freedom of speech.

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  84. Anonymous4:21 PM

    If a Congress person tells SarahPac they are causing distress when they target districts and SarahPac acts like they don't hear, that is a blatant insult and worse. It is despicable and no way is it civil. Why would they keep the targets up now? I thought they took it down? They were called out about lying when they made the excuse about surveyor's marks. They know the public perception is that those are sniper sites, it doesn't matter how SarahPac tries to deny. I get the feeling Sarah's MLK chat with Hannity will be more attempt to do with what she thinks is standing up against the LSM that she wants the public to see as attacking her. Actually, this is between two political entities. One is coldly ignoring the others deep pain. This is how she gets along with Congress? No wonder McCain could finally say she could behave better. She still represents him and he should have taken her to task. Her behavior is so bad, no one can seem to come to terms with it yet.

    What is really strange about Sarah Palin is that she has apologized before. I know people say she doesn't apologize, but check our when she does and how that went down. It was not because she thought she made a mistake, but in case a fire was started because of her "undeserved negative attention." She could acknowledge that her SarahPac ad did hurt and cause anxiety and turmoil in the several districts and that was something that has consequences. As Sarah drags this out fewer people can believe another "undeserved negative attention" excuse. But an apology like that would be a step up from doing nothing positive. In Sarah's world the very real feelings of others doesn't exist. I detest her kind of coward.

    Palin stops by the church
    "Palin, who was not at the church at the time of the fire, stopped by Saturday. Her spokesman, Bill McAllister, said in a statement that Palin told an assistant pastor she was sorry if the fire was connected to the "undeserved negative attention" the church has received since she became the vice presidential candidate Aug. 29."

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  85. Anonymous4:55 PM

    http://www.politicususa.com/en/other-sarah-palin


    From a year ago; still very relevant.

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  86. Anonymous5:34 PM

    MicMac @8:56
    I agree totally with your observations. It was part of the deal for her to quit as gov. They (Koch/Murdock) dangled a carrot, knew she was stupid enough to be their robot and it has worked out well for them.

    2nd point. I am sick of the bots who continue to claim that "he was already stalking Giffords back in 2007--WTF does that mean???? The constant bashing and hate climate that kid lived in only fueled his brewing contempt. He probably visited Giffords site, saw where she was worried about the crosshairs, got the idea and the rest is history. How does the timing have ANYTHING to do with scara NOT having a hand in the build up of the climate. His idea was planted in his own mind and scara and her buddies gave him the nudge he needed. CASE CLOSED Gosh, someone should sue her ass. Could we bring a class action suit against her??? I know nothing about law, so I apologize for being ignorant, but I would sure sign up if it were a possibility. I think she has personally caused harm to a large group of people--why not?

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  87. Anonymous6:45 PM

    least we forget, from 11/09:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXuBIyJsbCE&feature=relmfu

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  88. Anonymous7:16 PM

    "How many guns would Jesus carry?"

    You should make this a bumper sticker!

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