Thursday, March 17, 2011

Justin Elliot of Salon reveals a closer relationship between domestic terrorist Schaeffer Cox and Joe Miller than known previously.

From Salon:

Last year, I did a lengthy story outlining the support Alaska Tea Party Senate candidate Joe Miller was getting within the state's militia movement. Now, one of the militia leaders I interviewed -- 26-year-old Schaeffer Cox -- has been arrested and charged in a lurid plot to kill judges and state troopers.

With Cox newly relevant, I looked back at the notes of my interview with him last year.

"I know Joe Miller pretty well. It's a small state. I've known him, I know his kids," he said, adding:

"He's a good guy and we're buddies."

But it's also true that Cox did not share Miller's politics. He told me:

"Joe Miller is still operating under the conventional government wisdom of 'might makes right.' I don't want a conservative person running my life, and I don't want a liberal running my life, except me. [Miller] has real conservative, traditional kind of values, but I don't think he grasps the fundamental idea of self-ownership as an individual. I think he still thinks in terms of a collective. Maybe he would do a better job than the next guy at tweaking the collective, but I think that's a dead end."

Well isn't THAT interesting?  And what did it say in the statement that Miller released about Cox?

Former US Senate Candidate Joe Miller is disputing the media's characterization of him as a “close friend and associate” of arrested Alaska Militia leader Schaeffer Cox. Mr. Miller became acquainted with Mr. Cox through Republican Party politics, not unlike many other State leaders. Mr. Cox offered no tangible support to Miller's run for the US Senate; he was neither a campaign contributor nor volunteer; and, save for public forums during the campaign, has had no contact with Mr. Miller subsequent to his run-ins with the law early last year. To the contrary, Cox himself was critical of Miller during last fall's campaign. ("Schaeffer Cox of Fairbanks, commander of the Alaska Peacemakers Militia, tells Salon he isn't a Miller supporter.") Mr. Miller has never had any connection to any of Mr. Cox's militia organizations, and in no way condones any lawless behavior.

Well now SOMEBODY is certainly not telling the truth, are they?

And who is it that was caught lying multiple times late last year? Oh yeah, this guy!

You know I believe that we are just beginning to see how deep the connection between the militia members, domestic terrorism, and certain Alaska politicians is going to turn out to be in the long run. We already have certain Miller associates running to ground. I wonder how many more will disappear in the night or turn state's evidence before this whole thing is over?

27 comments:

  1. They want guns and they want anarchy.

    So they can shoot anyone that disagrees with them and take anything they want.

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  2. angela1:43 PM

    It was inevitable that Joe would lie about his friendship with Cox. His fall back position is to lie. He is a coward. And, as it seems that he will continue the pattern of the wingnut welfare speaking circuit, he's going to have to hone those lies.

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  3. Anonymous2:07 PM

    Could this be the tip of the "iceberg?" Because you know the feds have to be getting an earful and uncovering shit left and right.

    Could be VERY interesting to see what else and who else this exposes.

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  4. Anonymous2:31 PM

    I'm wondering if it's finally time to look at the Palin's connection to the militia groups. She's been off limits to most of the media, but now that the bloom is coming off the rose, it may finally be "acceptable" to make some inquiries without being accused of targeting her because she is female.

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  5. Has anyone thought to look to see if any of the local police force are members of the militia or AIP? For sure someone has been protecting these wild and crazy guys. Plotting to kill state troopers and judges is disasterous, especially if law enforcement had this information and sat on it.

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  6. honeybabe2:48 PM

    suppose there is any connection to the mentally challenged one?

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  7. Anonymous3:00 PM

    I have a pretty well honed sense of "odd-dar" and it went off the first time I saw a picture of Joe Miller. Watching video of him speaking and inter-acting with people only made it more obvious. Then hearing his policies set off alarms.

    It wasn't just the beard. It wasn't just the antler ad. It wasn't just the misuse of office computers or sucking up to Sarah or the craziness of the recount.

    This guy had a bad scent and sheen (no pun intended)and vibe about him from Day One. How on earth did a guy this creepy get so close to being a United States Senator? A United States Senator???? We dodged a big one with this oddball.

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  8. by golly, that might put a dent in his believability. altho' the extreme right will happily march right off the cliff.

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  9. Anonymous3:11 PM

    And do these militia people In AK have connections to domestic terrorists in other states? Like Arizona?

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  10. Anonymous3:34 PM

    ?'s for Alaskans. I've read that Alaskans are pretty live and let live types. Are the militia groups pretty much just left alone? Do you think with the arrest of Schaeffer Cox and the seriousness of what his group was planning that reg. citizens will now come forward with what they know? Will these groups get a closer look from local law enforcement? I've always felt that Todd Palin was into this kind of stuff. Watching him with that teacher in Homer and the guy in the airport you could tell he was into intimidation.

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  11. Anonymous3:45 PM

    Has anyone thought to look to see if any of the local police force are members of the militia or AIP?

    Gles, they do. They are. Fairly common among corrections employees and local cops. If not outright membership, then supporting the militia stuff.
    In Fairbanks, Cox and his buddies "work with" the police and troopers and are on good terms.

    The military as well. High-ranking guys as well as the grunts.
    One of the main organizers in the interior (Delta, Fairbanks, etc) works on Fort Greely and openly associated with the military. Doesn't even try to hide it. Uses the military email account for militia business.
    The guy is also Fish & Game Advisory, even though he has a game violation. Weird.

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  12. Anonymous4:21 PM

    Joe Miller tweet on this subject from March 12, 2011. See it here:
    http://www.twitter.com/JoeWMiller/statuses/46513919279370241

    @ media geniuses, if militia leader Cox was a "good friend & associate," don't u think he would've supported me? http://tinyurl.com/26yp9b8

    The tiny url goes to this Anchorage Daily News story:

    Miller candidacy stirs hope, yawns in Alaska militia community

    Published: September 23rd, 2010 11:57 AM

    http://www.adn.com/2010/09/23/1468152/miller-candidacy-stirs-up-alaska.html

    This ADN story quotes Norm Olson, and Schaeffer Cox. It refers and links to to the original Salon
    story The militias' man in the Senate?

    Media geniuses?

    I'm no media genius, but if I were runnning for Senate from Alaska, against Murkowski and McAdams, I would NOT want Schaeffer Cox's open support. Especially after the news reports began to circulate about the possible milita connections. After the Drop Zone security incident I really would NOT have wanted the Schaeffer Cox endorsement/support.

    I'm no political genius, but for Joe Miller to win, he needed both the militia/teaparty vote and a significant number of moderate votes. The Militia endorsement would have reduced the more moderate Republican votes. Joe already had the votes of all the wingnuts that voted. They weren't voting for his opponents. The absence of an open endorsement does not convince me that there was no support. Neither does the Joe Miller denial statement and this tweet.

    What support might the militia/ Second Amendment Task Force have given Senate Candidate Joe Miller? Marching in the streets with their guns? They had already done that.

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  13. Anonymous5:05 PM

    Joe and Schaeffer, forever buddies in arms (or just until Joe's slimy nature shows up and Joe slinks out of the relationship). At least Joe is predicable.

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  14. Anonymous6:01 PM

    Schaeffer Cox's Second Amendment Task Force used to meet at Joe's Church.

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  15. Cox's read on Joe Miller was dead on the mark: Joe's nothing but a controlling polititian who can't be trusted.

    Someone wrote that they (Alaskans) had dodged a bullet when Joe was defeated in the Senate race. That may be the understatement of the year.

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  16. Gasman7:03 PM

    It should not come as any big surprise that greasy weasel Miller would lie to cover his ass. However, I think these further confirmations of his ties with the anarchist separatists could be the final nail in his political coffin. We know he's a bully, we know he's a liar, and now we know that he's been "pallin' around with domestic terrorists" or at least domestic terrorist wannabes. Of course Miller, wussy that he is, would deny having any ties to Cox. That's what kind of guy he is.

    Besides his cheesy beard, what does Miller have to offer?

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  17. KiheiKat7:15 PM

    OK, this is definitely off topic, but I just saw this article which contains a recent picture of Bekkkkkie.

    You don't have to publish my comment, but thought you'd enjoy the picture.

    http://www.latimes.com/news/la-na-rebecca-mansour-20110317,0,7648241,full.story

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  18. Gryph,

    You've gotten their attention.
    Over on the "militia" forum they're discussing you and this blog.

    http://groups.google.com/group/alaska-citizens-militia/browse_thread/thread/794b0cdcf8852660/a290c4287dba5866

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  19. Anonymous8:47 PM

    They want no laws, so they can be (legal) "out laws". Simple as that. They want the old days.

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  20. Anonymous10:59 PM

    What the hell does 'commander of alaska peacemakers militia' mean? Are you telling me this cox leads a pansy division, dressed like Gestapo in black shirts? WTF Alaska? Does no one remember WWII, the one Real soldiers died fighting fascism.

    Looks like its come to roost in 2011 America. Who are these enablers supporting them in the police force? Time to arrest these co-conspirators for sedition.

    This pisses me off. My family didn't live through the Nazi occupation of their country to have these father fuckers spewing the same, identical shit.

    Pardon my rant, but I listened to a lot of stories of resistance and saw numbered tattoos of people held in Bergen-Belsen.

    This fuck cox who doesn't want to pay taxes, playing 'militia commander of domestic terrorism' doesn't know shit and needs a long spell in prison. Peacemakers my ass.

    Never again.

    Quetzalcoatl

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  21. Here on the Kenai Peninsula the majority voted for Joe Miller and many of the elected officials are buddies of these guys. I had a psychologist put a note in my medical record that I did not like one of them who is well known to know Cox, well that was only one reason he bugs me. Somehow disliking the militia types is considered pathological by this psychologist. I read the note to some people at HHS and they laughed and lsughing about it is all I can do myself.

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  22. Anonymous12:41 AM

    Media Geniuses? WTF? How to win friends and influence people- don't insult them.

    Can anyone say when the Joe Miller denies any connection to Schaeffer Cox email went out?
    The tweet went out at 2:12 A.M. March 12.

    Reminds me of some of his other ill thought out tweets. He even blamed someone else for them. Did he tweet and then decide he needed a statement partially because of the tweet?

    Other tweet stupidityn is here.
    http://www.themudflats.net/2010/09/30/the-arrogance-of-joe-miller/

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  23. does anyone but me keep looking at cox and every time thinking "but he's basically a college kid -he literally still has a baby-face with some pimples... who's 'following' this young KID?"

    and i'm not that old, i just turned 31 on tuesday.

    seriously, i don't find it very bizarre that cox appears to have decided to embrace some form of radical politics in his early 20s (which probably means the ideas began in his teens), many college-age people 18-23 become really passionate about something social/political in those years. (even if i personally find "libertarian/sovereign citizen" aka non-self-acknowledged-anarchist political ideas deeply unrealistic and largely juvenile.)

    but this whole claiming to "lead a 5000+ strong militia" thing -at 25/26?

    what's the deal with that?

    most "college radicals" work within/lead groups of their peers/youngers in age, not usually many people much over age 30 in general (probable median group age: 23, tops)....

    so is cox expecting us to believe that he has several 1000 high-school-and 20-something kids with guns "following" him and his ideas?

    or that 1000s of 40-60ish "old salt" AIP-type armed alaskans are "following" him and his ideas?

    i can't really imagine either, let alone both.

    gryph, you're a native up there, what do you think about his age combined with his claims/delusions of leadership/"followers"? and did he even go to college anywhere (or even graduate from a public high school w/over 1000 total students) or anything else that would expose him to 1000s of peers daily?

    i can't think of any other 25-year-old americans (+/- 3 years) claiming to lead local private armies (aka militias), religious cults, or even wholly unified university campus groups w/numbers 2-5 thousand+.......

    it's like bristol p. claiming she knows what it's like to lead thousands of people in real life (twitter/facebook does NOT count -it's obviously not in-the-flesh-life....), lol.

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  24. Anonymous3:11 AM

    If someone gets close enough to know your children, they are a friend. Most people now a days do not let anyone near their kids unless they know them pretty damned well.

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  25. KatieAnnieOakley6:06 AM

    Jesse, two keys points of Miller's campaign are that closely aligned with Militia and Tea Party POV's:

    1). Miller wanted to repeal the 17th amendment (direct election of United States Senators by popular vote), and go back to States directly appointing their State Senators.

    This is a Militia focal point - any of the Militias, all of 'em.

    2). Miller also wanted to repeal the 14th Amendment (it provides a broad definition of "Citizenship").

    This is also an Amendment most Militias, AND the Tea Party want to abolish, to "solve" the illegal immigrant "problem."

    Joe Miller and Schaeffer Cox are much, much closer politically than anyone could have imagined... and they run in the same circles: Miller. DropZone Bill. Norm Coleman. Schaeffer Cox. $arah Palin. Todd Palin...

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  26. KatieAnnieOakley6:09 AM

    @ 3:11PM

    You HAVE been to the Alaska Militia Board on google, right? They are in contact with Militias across the country...

    http://groups.google.com/group/alaska-citizens-militia

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  27. Anonymous9:13 AM

    I am not a good judge of character..I think that Cox boy looks like a clean cut nice kid in this picture....Miller..not so much.

    Regarding the tea baggers and their ongoing battle against illegal immigrants...did you see this story about a Kansas rep. Wondering if he is/was a tea bagger..he surely sounds like a complete jerk.

    http://tucsoncitizen.com/arizona-hispanic-republicans/2011/03/17/representative-virgil-pecks-pattern-of-bigotry-this-is-not-the-first-time/

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