This comment came in response to my "Andrew Sullivan thinks it odd that a woman in the middle of labor has the presence of mind to send e-mails to her staff. You know what? I have to agree" post.
It was so well written, factually based, and passionate, that some of you suggested that I post it.
What can I say, when you're right, you're right. I now present to you Anonymous 6:57.
I myself have given birth four times- once to twins. So I feel I can be fairly accurate with the following estimations. I've had one homebirth, two vaginal deliveries- one with epidural and one without, and one c-section. So I am taking all my experience into account, along with many secondhand experiences as a doula and birth coach.
They say Trig was born at 6:30am, so...
Immediately after the baby was delivered, the cord would be clamped and he would be taken over to the warmer. The would suction his airways, do his first APGAR, put a security bracelet on his ankle or wrist, clean him up, do a closer umbilical clip, put his first diaper on, and swaddle him up. Now due to Trig's medical issues there certainly would have been an exam done by a pediatrician as well as a pediatric cardiologist. I estimate these measures would have taken approximately 18 to 25 minutes. It seems quick because it is- they do these things bam-bam-bam.
So the time is now approximately 6:50.
Now, while they are clearing the baby's airways and cleaning them up, etc, they are watching mom to make sure the placenta is delivering properly, they'll sometimes press on mom's tummy to jumpstart things is they are stalled...one thing that plays a very large part of this scenario is the fact that Palin claimed to have had to be "induced". Pitocin is a nasty, nasty thing...it forces the body into the most wretched, soul-consuming contractions possible.
The pitocin has to be pulled back for the afterbirth because of the risk concerning uterine prolapse. So we can safely estimate that Palin was starting to expel the afterbirth just as Trig would have been swaddled up and possibly held by dad.
Assuming Palin took the least amount of time possible to expel her afterbirth and that she did not have any tearing (which she likely would have as such a petite woman having a pitocin induced labor) then we can add another 15-20 minutes.
The time is now approximately 7:10.
Palin's own narrative says the children came in "minutes after" the birth. Assuming she didn't make the children watch her afterbirthing...the children come in around 7:15. Supposedly Bristol, Willow, Piper, and of course Levi were there. And Track was on the phone. Even if we allot only 5-7 minutes per child to meet, hold, coo over, etc the new baby, that takes up around 25 minutes.
At some point, Trig will have had his second APGAR scoring. His glucose will be checked and his footprints will be taken. These things will add around 15-20 minutes.
So with kids visiting and holding/meeting the baby (and remember we know from Sarah's own telling to People magazine that each child held Trig right after birth- this is when Willow supposedly says he looks like he has DS- preposterous) and the additional tests and procedures Trig went through...we add about 40 minutes.
The time is now approximately 7:45.
DS babies are notorious for difficult feeding. Sarah herself has mentioned she breastfed Trig. With a DS baby there would have been a nurse or lactation consultant to help with Trig's first feed. In a healthy baby without DS, the first feed averages 40 minutes. It likely took closer to an hour but in the name of playing devil's advocate, we'll say 40 minutes.
The time is now approximately 8:25.
So allowing absolutely NO TIME whatsoever for Sarah to hold and cuddle her new baby nor change her blood and amniotic soaked bed linens...yes, she COULD have been sending emails at 8:30.
But truly- who among us believes that Sarah Palin, governor of Alaska, lay in a bed soaked with blood, feces, fluid, mucous...and chose to send nondescript, unimportant emails...before changing her bed linens, using the restroom carefully, with a wash bottle and then putting on a chux pad...and again, not taking any time to just BE with her new baby...?
I can't believe I took the time to type all this out just so I could say once MORE...WHAT AN IDIOT.
Who would believe this??!
6:57 PM
Well I would like to thank you Anonymous 6:57 for being somebody who would take "the time type all this out" because you certainly made a very informative and helpful contribution to this discussion.
In fact I really have nothing more to add. You essentially said it all, and said it beautifully.
Thank you.
I hate to jinx it, but this childbirth timeline might very well be the "nail in the coffin."
ReplyDeleteExcellent summary!
ReplyDeletePat Padrnos
There's nothing funny about Sarah Palin or her influence on our democracy, but together we can use satire to make an impact and undermine her aura of authenticity and altruism.
ReplyDeleteBrave New Films is out today with a People's Cut of Palin's upcoming movie, and you won't believe what she's saying right now about her film.
Satire is an effective tool to take the conservative opposition's perceived strengths and use it against them, which is what we're doing here with Palin's movie. This is not a film, but our best chance to redirect the nonstop media attention she's getting with her bus tour and upcoming film.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/
robert-greenwald/palingate-too-much-sarah_b_876588.html
Oh come on, everyone knows there was no blood, mucous or any other birthing goo when the Queen Mum delivered Trig!
ReplyDeleteShe breathed, pushed, out he came, a chorus of angels sang, everyone smiled and the credits rolled.
Palin looks like "The Great Gazoo" in that stupid helmet.
ReplyDeletehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Great_Gazoo
Great time line - glad it has it's own post! Every little bit adds to getting the truth out there.
ReplyDeletesuggestion add to the title of this post:
ReplyDeleteTrig Timeline on day of bith - rest of the title
That way it stands out - attract more attention in search engines etc
As a mother of two, I'll vouch for the overall accuracy of this description of the birth process and its aftermath. Thanks for giving it its own entry.
ReplyDeleteThere is no way that Sarah would have or could have sent the emails she's on record as having sent within two hours of the alleged birth.
I was thinking this same thing after reading that she was able to text at 8am the morning she gave birth. Now with knowing from her own words that she was induced, let each of her children hold the baby etc. sounds like bs. Now with the timeline so well done by the commenter, it makes no sense that she birthed a child that day.
ReplyDeleteI have given birth 3 times and one was premature. Her story sounded bogus to me the first time I read it, especially all the dumb details she added about the wild ride. She can't fool women who have been through this, but she has fooled most men. That is not surprising.
I sent a little more support to you Gryph as you are on the job more than anyone else and we appreciate you & what you do.
I can validate the intensity of pit induced contractions. The time line laid out is my own experience x4 and same for my daughter. I'll add that the patient is transferred from L&D to another room so that takes time also. Where are the photos? The first pics of the newborn with the mom in a hospital gown and an IV for the pitocin? Surely with the entire family there someone took pictures.
ReplyDeleteGryphen, I am so glad you chose to post this comment, it's just such an eye-opening timeline that puts this whole 'birth' into a different perspective. Kudos for having the insight to see it for what it is and for highlighting it as the important piece of the puzzle that is 'the lies of sarah palin'.
ReplyDeleteAnd to Anon 6:57, THANK YOU SO MUCH!
I totally agree with this comment. When you are giving childbirth for real, you are not emailing crap from a phone to people you work with. Why didn't she take a picture of Trig popping out and email that to her office mates? Because it never happened, that's why.
ReplyDeletePalin's account of giving birth to Trig and how it all happened is an insult to all women who have given birth. In fact, it is an insult to all women.
If she thinks that the majority of America believes her BS just because it comes out of her mouth and would vote for her for President, then she is delusional. Oh, that's right, she is delusional.
G- I'm Cheering You On, Madly, .....from thousands of miles away--
ReplyDeleteGo, Go, Go.....
I know you can hear me..... and the rest of us cheering... also, too!
I went back to look and there are several pictures of Trig and a small infant being given a bottle.
ReplyDeleteYou do not give a bottle to an infant if they are having trouble breastfeeding.
Another lie?
If she was expressing milk to give to Trig, that's one thing. But don't claim you are breastfeeding when several pictures show people feeding Trig a bottle.
"Now due to Trig's medical issues there certainly would have been an exam done by a pediatrician as well as a pediatric cardiologist."
ReplyDeleteDo we KNOW they were there???
In this age of instant photography, there would have been lots of photos and videos of each loving Palin sibling caressing and cooing over Trig. There would have been photos with the GYN, mom, and baby, with Dad, GYN, and baby, with grandma and grandpa Heath (in the birthing room, not a bright hallway).
ReplyDeleteI had a long labor and I can remember at the end my room was filled with strangers, including a medical student witnessing his first birth and kind-hearted nurses who probably saw a million births but still behaved as though it were the first. I have hilarious "blackmail photos," with me in a blood-stained johnny coat, swollen belly, black circles around my eyes, hair like a wild woman, holding baby, beaming like an idiot.
There are no photos by anyone of Trig post birth, nor of "his radiant mother" because even Sarah Palin can't fake birth photos.
And don't forget, Mrs. Palin claims to have signed a bill into law on the very day she allegedly gave birth. Impossible, I say.
ReplyDeleteIt takes a woman to know (and a sensitive, smart man to listen.)
ReplyDeleteAren't the days mixed up here. I thought the e-mails in question were the morning of April 17th and the birth the morning of the 18th.
ReplyDeleteI'm so glad you gave this well written post its own thread, Gryphen.
ReplyDeleteNow, how can we ensure that it is seen & published by the MSM?
Excellent comment indeed. I saw this over at Joe McGinnis's blog comments and wanted to alert Gryphen to it, but did not have time. Very glad this person took the time to type this out and post it here.
ReplyDeleteGryphen and others,thanks for giving this the attention it deserves. I hope it gets wide distribution.
This post reminds me of Audrey's patent, detailed discussion of the realities of pregnancy and birth.
ReplyDeleteI too am a pitocin Mom, and I can confirm the accuracy of the poster's every detail.
Thank you for taking the time to type it up!
To Sarah Palin:
ReplyDeleteI am blessed you with this surprise baby because I only want the best for you. I’ve heard your prayers that this baby will be happy and healthy, and I’ve answered them because I only want the best for you!.... So why did you risk his life by not getting to a hospital as soon as you realized your amniotic fluid was leaking?
I heard your heart when you hinted that another boy would fit best in the Palin family, to round it out and complete that starting five line-up. Though another girl would be so nice, you didn’t think you could ask for what you REALLY wanted, but I knew, so I gave you a boy because I only want the best for you! .....So why did you go ahead and give that speech and bypass Baylor hospital to get on an airplane back to Alaska risking his life and yours as well as the other passengers on the flight?
Then, I put the idea in your hearts that his name should be “Trig”, because it’s so fitting, with two Norse meanings: “True” and “Brave Victory”. You also have a Bristol Bay relative with that name, so I knew it would be best for you! .....I didn't put it in your heart to name him after his condition, Tri-G , another name for the babies condition, Trisomy 21. I know you don't believe in coincidences and all your kids names have personal meaning to you, but it was beyond reprehensible to name him after his condition.
Then, I let Trig’s mom have an exceptionally comfortable pregnancy so she could enjoy every minute of it, and I even seemed to rush it along so she could wait until near the end to surprise you with the news – that way Piper wouldn’t have so long to wait and count down so many days – just like Christmastime when you have to wait, impatiently, for that special day to finally open your gift? (Or the way the Palins look forward to birthday celebrations that go on for three, four days… you all really like cake .) I know you, I knew you’d be better off with just a short time to wait! ...... Since I shortened the wait time and allowed you to enjoy the pregnancy, why didn't you take the time to enjoy the child, my gift to you? Instead you were on your blackberry less than 2 hours after his birth. You took no maternity leave to get to know him and bond and care for him and to enjoy his first days in your life. Why have you now relegated his care to nannies and family members?
Then, finally, I let Trig’s mom and dad find out before he was born that this little boy will truly be a GIFT. They were told in early tests that Trig may provide more challenges, and more joy, than what they ever may have imagined or ever asked for. At first the news seemed unreal and sad and confusing . But I gave Trig’ s mom and dad lots of time to think about it because they needed lots of time to understand that everything will be OK, in fact, everything will be great, because I only want the best for you! .......I let you know early to prepare you, yet you were still unprepared. Rather than educating yourself about his therapies, you have passed off those duties to others. Nannie can care for children, but they can't raise them. I gave you this child to care for for a lifetime, not just for photo ops and soundbites.
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Bravo. Wonderful post.
ReplyDeleteGreat summary - thanks for singling it out. As a woman with two children, from the day that she was nominated and I read about the "Wild Ride," I knew that it was all a hoax and she was a dangerous and deceptive person who could not be a heartbeat away from running our great country.
ReplyDeleteIs it significant to note a lack of email traffic after 6:30A about the "birth" itself and the arrival of Trig? Doncha think she would have mentioned it in an email or five? Geeeeeeeez. There's no flippin' way that Trig issued forth from her loins.
Anonymous@8:23am
ReplyDeleteNone of this happened(SP's labor and delivery story), so we know that the pediatrician and a pediatric cardiologist were not there when she did not give birth to Trig.
Quite convincing. I love reading all of the intelligent and thoughtful comments here at IM. Thank you commenter and thank you Gryphen for recognizing genius. Let's see Sarah refudiate that!
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ReplyDeleteI‘ve given Trig’s mom and dad peace and joy as they wait to meet their new son. I gave them a happy anticipation because they asked me for that. I‘ll give all of you the same happy anticipation and strength to deal with Trig’s challenges, but I won’t impose on you… What happened to that peace and joy? What happened to the strength I gave you to deal with Trig's challenges? Rather than taking on those challenges, you've passed Trig and his many needs onto family members and nannies while you go off to make money and seek fame. The love of this child and not money or fame is what I teach. A lesson you haven't learned.
I just need to know you want to receive my offer to be with all of you and help you everyday to make Trig’s life a great one.... I 've been there everyday for Trig to ensure that his life is a good one. Even when you weren't.
This new person in your life can help everyone put things in perspective and bind us together and get everyone focused on what really matters . The baby will expand your world and let you see and feel things you haven’t experienced yet. He’ll show you what “true, brave victory“ really means as those who love him will think less about self and focus less on what the world tells you is ”normal“ or ”perfect”. You will grow and be blessed with greater understanding that will be born along with Trig...I'm disappointed that my gift of Trig wasn't able to give you perspective. While he brought you all together briefly, your ambitions have torn apart the family I wanted to strengthen. I wanted you to see what was important in life, your family, your children, but instead you have turned your back on them. You are always on your blackberry, you travel frequently, sometimes dragging them along. Piper just wanted a vacation. Instead she got a 3 ring circus. For once I was thankful that you left Trig at home.
Trig will be his dad‘s little buddy and he’ll wear Carhartts while he learns to tinker in the garage. He’ll love to be read to, he’ll want to play goalie, and he‘ll steal his mom’s heart just like Track, Bristol, Willow and Piper did. And Trig will be the cuddly, innocent, mischievous, dependent little brother that his siblings have been waiting for in fact Trig will – in some diagnostic ways – always be a mischievous, dependent little brother, because I created him a bit different than a lot of babies born into this world today. ….Has he stolen your heart? Then why do you use him as a political prop? Why haven't you done more for others with his condition? You have a voice. Why haven't you used it to bring his condition to the people and to educate them on all that he cab do? I've given you wealth beyond your dreams and yet you don't share it with the most vulnerable.
Every child is created special, with awesome purpose and amazing potential. Children are the most precious and promising ingredient in this mixed up world you live in down there on earth. Trig is no different, except he has one extra chromosome. Doctors call it “Down’s Syndrome”, and Downs kids have challenges, but can bring you much delight and more love than you can ever imagine! Just wait and see, let me prove this, because I only want the best for you! ...I've proved all of these things to you. Have you noticed? Have you been there to see those precious moments and triumphs? Or do you get updates on your blackberry?
Some of the rest of the world may not want him, but take comfort in that because the world will not compete for him. Take care of him and he will always be yours! ….While some in the world may not want him, do you want him? Your actions show that you want him when he is beneficial to you, your career and your message, but in the quiet moments when he needs you, are you there? He will always be yours, but when will you be his?
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Part 3
ReplyDeleteTrig‘s mom and dad don’t want people to focus on the baby’s extra chromosome. They’re human, so they haven’t known how to explain this to people who are so caring and are interested in this new little Alaskan. Sarah and Todd want people to share in the joy of this gift I’m giving to the Palin family, and the greater Alaska family. Many people won’t understand… and I understand that. Some will think Trig should not be allowed to be born because they fear a Downs child won’t be considered “perfect” in your world. (But tell me, what do you earthlings consider “perfect” or even “normal” anyway? Have you peeked down any grocery store isle, or school hallway, or into your office lunchroom lately? Or considered the odd celebrities you celebrate as “perfect” on t.v.? Have you noticed I make `em all shapes and sizes? Believe me ,, there is no “perfect”!)... I wish you would have passed this lesson on to Bristol. She was always beautiful in my eyes and she should never have changed the face I gave her. No, Trig is not perfect, but he is deserving of your love and your time and attention. Even when he is acting out or not "photo ready".
Many people will express sympathy, but you don’t want or need that, because Trig will be a joy. You will have to trust me on this. ... Trig has been a joy to those who know him best. Have you felt that joy? Did you feel that joy when you took him on the book tour and we him up to show him to your fans in VA with no pants or shoes in 40 degree whether? Do you feel that same joy when it's just you and Trig alone or do you need the crowds to feel the joy he brings?
I know it will take time to grasp this and come to accept that I only want the best for you, and I only give my best. Remember though: “My ways are not your ways, my thoughts are not your thoughts… for as the heavens are higher than the earth, my ways are higher than yours!”...You've had time to grasp and accept that I only want the best for you. I gave you Trig to tell you to slow down and enjoy life and instead you sped up and spun out of control. I know better than you and the best thing for you to do is put your ambitions aside and take the wealth I've given you and bring your family back together, become a real and constant part of Trig's life and learn what is really important. con't
Thanks, Anon at 6:57!
ReplyDeleteHere's a question I've always had, and maybe it's just because I've never given birth (nor subjected myself to reading "Going Rogue"):
Why, if her water had broken and she'd been having contractions on the 17th when she delivered (pun intended) her speech, would she need pitocin to induce labor? Is there a possible medical explanation for this? Or is this another careless oversight in her lies upon lies?
Part 4
ReplyDeleteI wrote that all down for you in the Good Book ! Look it up! You claim that you believe me – now it’s time to live out that belief!.. Reread the good book and start living out that belief. Put your voice to work fighting for children with Down's Syndrome, not the Presidency. It's not your time. I've closed that door.
Please look to me as this new challenge and chapter of life unfolds in front of you. I promise to equip you. I won‘t give you anything you can’t handle. I am answering your prayers. Trig can’t wait to meet you. I’m giving you ONLY THE BEST! ...I gave you the best and it's time for you to give him your best. Put down the blackberries, put down the microphone and the TV camera and find the joy in the gift I gave you. I'm opening the door to Trig's heart to give you a 2nd chance, but it will only be open for a limited time. You asked me to not let you miss an open door, so don't miss it.
Love,
Trig’s Creator , Your Heavenly Father
I'm a mother of four and I've been through just about everything short a C section, I totally agree with this woman's post. Even as easy as a couple of my birth experiences were, and I say this because my induction (with my first daughter) wasn't difficult at all, the labour was short and the delivery itself happened literally in minutes with very little pushing, it *still* would have taken longer than what Ms Palin seems to be trying to put off as truth. Even as fast as mine went, it was still very close to what this lady is reporting here.
ReplyDeleteBRAVO!
ReplyDeleteGryphen,
ReplyDeleteCould you provide a link to the email Sarah sent at 8:30 am April 18th? I can't find it and don't remember seeing it. This timeline is a powerful argument if we have all the facts correctly lined up.
8:25
ReplyDeleteThere are emails the morning of the birth, one at 8:30 as I recall. That was the one that threw me. I asked what time the baby was "born" and when I found out the time it was even more suspect, when I found out she had Pit I was done. I didn't have it but my wife did and after she gave birth with the induction from Pit there was no way she would have been using her blackberry immediately after that and as someone on another site pointed out, how could she use a cell phone inside the hospital? That's not permitted in most institutions because it can screw up medical equipments telemetry. So I can only assume she was outside the hospital or down in a hallway or special room where you can use cell phones. Nothing adds up on her words and timeline
The timeline might have worked if they cleaned Sarah up before the children came in and she sent her messages while the children were enjoying the baby. Of course, that opens another can of worms such as why she didn't enjoy this moment with her family, and why she didn't mention the baby's birth in the messages.
ReplyDeleteAll of these little cracks in her "tale" will eventually break down the wall of secrecy around Trig.
ReplyDeleteHey Sarah - TEAR DOWN THIS WALL!
Do it for your hero - Ronnie Raygun!
Dianedp, many women call it "breastfeeding" when they are expressing milk and providing it through a bottle. It's how many working moms provide breast milk for their babies. There is not some fancy other term for it, they just call it breastfeeding.
ReplyDeleteI was induced two weeks early with my second child. At my scheduled weekly prenatal visit, I told my doctor I was feeling a lot less kicking from the baby . The doctor sent me directly to get an ultrasound, where it was discovered that my son's heartbeat was slowing, and my amniotic fluid levels were getting low. I was immediately to the hospital to be induced , I could not even wait for my husband or mother in law to pick up my other son who was just 3 at the time, or get my hospital bag.
ReplyDeleteI was hooked up to fetal monitors, and given pitocin late that evening. The contractions came hard and fast , I jad just empugh time to get an epidural, and within a few hours, I felt the baby ready to come out. Two pushes
later, my son was born. Everything fine, right? Hardly. The pitocin caused my uterus to rupture, blood everywhere , and I was rushed to emergency surgery.
The point of the story is that induction of labor is very risky even for a younger mother with a healthy baby . No doctor would have risked induction with Sarah, knowing her age and circumstances of the baby 's health. This is why I have always doubted her story. A doctor would not have said it was not unreasonable to fly, and Sarah would have had to deliver via C section if she was truly leaking for 24 hours.
I agree - Sarah's account of almost everything related to Trig's birth is impossible to believe when looked at rationally, but the question remains, how to get the media to acknowledge it and call her out once and for all.
ReplyDeleteBut...but, Sarah Palin is Wonder Woman!!! LOL Here is a link I just got in my email-they want YOU to tell them what was missing or left out of the movie. I think this is a job for Gryphen : )
ReplyDeleteChuck claimed he was there when Trig "popped out". I smelled BS right away on that one. What man would in his right mind witness his daughter giving birth especially an old fart like Chuckie Heath Sr.?
ReplyDeleteYES!!!
ReplyDeleteAnd, furthermore, also, too, where is that email from the responsible CEO (and governor) of the state of Alaska, informing staff her whereabouts, medical status and probable inability to meet some scheduled appointments?
Hey, Sarah, don't sit down and shut up, stand up and CONFESS
I gave birth 31 and 29 years ago, long before the internet or cell phones. I had two easy labors and quick births, and I can tell you that the ONLY emails or phone calls I would have made would have been about the baby. ONLY ABOUT THE BABY.
ReplyDeleteThe question about breast feeding has puzzled me for a while now. I did not breast-feed at all - relax, my sons turned out great ANYWAY - but I do know that some breastfeeding women express their milk and then is fed to the baby by the father or another caregiver. I always assumed that this is what Palin did so the bottle didn't breast feed in public wasn't so shocking to me.
Of course, Palin didn't/couldn't breast feed because she didn't give birth to that child!
After being pooh-poohed for a comment I made on HuffPost that the TV pundits are being too quick to let Palin off the hook, blaming the media instead for their e-mail "frenzy", I felt bad. After reading this post, I feel so grateful to the anonymous woman who took the time to write it. It's too bad we have such a lazy, self-serving bunch of reporters on the beat. Thank God for the work put in by this blog and a few others!
ReplyDeleteAny woman who doesn't devote the several hours immediately postpartum to exclusively bonding with the newborn is a mother I wouldn't want, and a governor I wouldn't want.
ReplyDeleteShe didn't lie in bed with her newborn. She just LIED!
Since SP's crackberries never leave her hands, I can believe she was e-mailing right after the birth. What I can't believe is that she wouldn't have mentioned the arrival of her precious child just under 2 hours ago.
ReplyDeleteShe didn't even let her staff know that she was at the hospital? What if something had happened to her during childbirth?
When I gave birth to my kids that was all that was on my mind and anything I sent out for weeks would have mentioned the new baby.
I cal BS on the whole thing.
I'm also having trouble finding the 8:30 AM email on 4/18.
ReplyDeleteIs it from her alaska.gov address? Or her yahoo address? I can't speak for governors, but in corporate life it's common for an exec assistant to monitor the boss's email and forward messages, esp when boss is out of office.
That is... if it seriously took her more than 24 hours to give birth from the time of "leaking and a weird feeling." I was 5 weeks premature, like "Trig was" and my mom said I just slid right out. I was the shortest labor she had and wasn't even that small. I was 5 lbs 14 oz, a decent premie size. Oh, I was also her third child. I find it hard to believe that SP's 5th child and premature at that took over 24 hours and pitocin to arrive! I don't believe any of the story, but knowing my mom's background with birthing me (and births usually happen quicker with each child you have), there is no way SP could have been in TX and traveled all the way back to Alaska, and still need pitocin to have her "child" arrive.
ReplyDeleteI have something to add, since my previous experience of being a charge nurse in a NICU comes into play. A premmie with DS and a hole in his heart would have been flown out in a life fight IMMEDIATELY. No hospital would take the legal risk of not flying him out, the hole in his heart could have been detected with a stethocope. Even if the baby seemed okay, things can go wrong in a split second. And as soon as mom was able (after expelling the afterbirth) she would have been bundled in their car to start the drive to the NICU (the baby would have flown alone--no extra weight for passengers is ever allowed in a life flight copter).
ReplyDeleteAnd NO hospital without a NICU would have INDUCED LABOR!! No way, NO HOW! the pregnant woman would have been flown out with Dad hurrying along in a car to get to the NICU.
former RN of 22 yrs
8 yrs in a small hospital working as a surgical nurse/ER nurse/OB nurse( jack of all trades in a 60 bed hospital :) )
5 yrs in a trauma center ER
9 yrs in the same trauma center but up on the NICU --4 of those yrs as a charge nurse in the NICU.
Sarah's story has more holes than a colander. It just doesn't make sense from however you look at it.
And if anyone thinks liability isn't a huge consideration for a hospital they are completely off their rocker.
Of course, that opens another can of worms such as why she didn't enjoy this moment with her family, and why she didn't mention the baby's birth in the messages.
ReplyDelete8:46 AM
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My gut tells me that the missing e-mails from December 2007 are about the baby's birth.
Great timeline…! You forgot Creepy Chuck in the list of attendees, though. He was there when Tri-G "popped out"!
ReplyDeleteWhy not get ahold of Trig's dna and do a check ? All one needs is one strand of hair or drop of saliva. Is there no one in Wasilla who has the ability to get that ? (Is Trig locked up without access to caretakers, nurses, waiters, etc ?) And it should be easy to get a strand of Mom's real hair from a brush at a hotel, or saliva from one of the straws she uses. If the truth is what we seek, someone needs to provide it.
ReplyDeleteBRISTOL"S OLD CHIN
ReplyDeletethere would be no need to induce labor. In my experience as an RN, she would have been life flighted to a hospital with a NICU and monitored before that decision was made. No way would they induce at such a small hospital if labor had stopped or slowed.
I think this is among the more interesting 4/18 emails from Palin's yahoo account. It has her style/syntax. At 3:33PM she is asking an aide to look into a permit problem for a friend/supporter.
ReplyDeletehttp://www.crivellawest.net/palin2011/pdf/13758.pdf
Did Todd or Bristol have ahold of Sarahs blackberry after delivery? Just exploring all explanations from Queen Esther.
ReplyDeleteExcellen! its always best to use $arah's own narrative. that way there aint no mistakes or media "filter"!
ReplyDeleteI believe the doctor might have induced, but in a woman with Granny LuLu's medical history (seven pregnancies, two miscarriages, advanced maternal age), the induction would have been scheduled and in a hospital with a NICU, with a pediatric cardiologist on duty and notified of the pending birth.
ReplyDeletePitocin may be given to someone already in labor. I was given it in one delivery because my contractions slowed down and there was concern about fetal distress. (And yes, a neonatologist was called in to attend the delivery. He took the little guy before my husband and son had a chance to hold him.) Fortunately, everything was fine! And still is. Hurray!
One more thing...IF Sarah woke in the middle of the might the day before the 'birth' and then didn't get back to sleep because you don't, you're timing contractions...here's another timeline:
ReplyDelete2AM on the 16th: awaken with fluid leaking
4AM: Todd calls dr in Alaska, who OK's them staying for speech
noon: Sarah gives butt kickin' speech, has lunch, leaves for airport
2:00 in the air, but no one on the plane is the wiser that she is 12 hours into labor with a special needs child, and her fifth
5:00 layover in Seattle during which she is calmly reading a book or texting
8:00 PM on the way to Alaska, again without anyone on the plane knowing she is in active labor, or even obviously pregnant
midnight: arrival in Alaska, car rides past NICU hospitals to go where? Unknown, as the story has changed
6:30AM Trig born
Now, the point is, Sarah has been awake for a day and a half at this point. She never mentions being exhausted, sleeping or anything. She nurses the newborn, greets her family, and is busy with work the same day. She really IS Superwoman. Hail Sarah!
Or she lied.
Beautiful. Thanks, anon and Gryphen. I've said before that I've never given birth, but I know I'd never be in any condition to write a coherent sentence afterwards. Aren't new moms exhausted after labor, especially induced? Everyone supposedly knew the Saint was "pregnant;" with SP's exalted view of herself--and seeing that she would spend at least a good part of her "governing" days eating Crunch Wraps in front of Bridezillas--wouldn't she give herself the ENTIRE day off, while everyone bowed, scraped, oohed and ahhed over the new baby at the hospital and by phone from the office? She'd eat that attention up with a spoon.
ReplyDeleteSpeaking of being the center of attention--yeah, it's also weird that there are no pix or vids of the thrilled family greeting God's Bestest, Most Chosen Child while Sarah sat proudly holding her newborn preemie in a hospital bed. What, did she leap up, slap on her Naughty Monkeys and toddle right out of the room after giving birth and sending emails?
I always have a funny feeling when I hear a politician say God told me to do it.
ReplyDeleteMaybe that is why we have so many R's running for office in 2012? How many more will God whisper to?
When I read that letter palin wrote, I got chills, not because it was wonderful, but because it was creepy.
My first thought was, wouldn't God want her to resign and spend some time with this special baby? Why did he pick the palin family for this, since she has done nothing for special need children as Gov. and since she made all her millions?
The letter was self serving and it appears written for a script.
Written for a production of a Wild Ride, birth and a VP nomination as a pro life candidate.
palin never does anything without a reason that will benefit her.
Did she write it at all?
I have never read anything of hers that was coherent and precise.
The Divine Prescience Of Sarah Palin, Ctd
ReplyDeleteSeveral readers are making this point:
As much as I share some of your suspicions, I think you are reading this email wrong. The critical passage:
I let Trig's mom have an exceptionally comfortable pregnancy so she could enjoy every minute of it, and I even seemed to rush it along so she could wait until near the end to surprise you with the news - that way Piper wouldn't have so long to wait and count down so many days ...
“I even seemed to rush it along so she could wait until near the end to surprise you with the news” could refer to the fact that Palin didn’t seem pregnant until close to the very end. It was as if she went from not pregnant to seven months pregnant overnight. As a result, she didn’t have to disclose the pregnancy until very late, meaning that the period of Piper’s anticipation was shorter. This could all be garbage (things people write in the voice of God usually are), but it is not smoking gun evidence that Palin knew she would deliver prematurely.
That would make sense, except that "rush it along" doesn't mean "keep it hidden for a long time and then speed it up at the very end," does it? In fact, it seems to mean the opposite.
I know it's hard parsing Palin's logic.
http://andrewsullivan.thedaily
beast.com/2011/06/the-divine-prescience-of-sarah-palin-ctd
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That photo of her is horrible - what a face!!
ReplyDeleteI hope this commentary gets sent to the national news outlets plus the fact there are a month of emails missing from the State of Alaska when she first started as governor. Bet she ONLY used her private/yahoo account and felt she didn't have to do anything on the State of Alaska system UNTIL she was told otherwise.
Politico Reporter: I’m Not Aware Of A Single Reporter Anywhere Who Wants Palin To Be President
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"What man would in his right mind witness his daughter giving birth especially an old fart like Chuckie Heath Sr.?"
ReplyDeleteThat fucking creep is about the only man I know who WOULD do that.
Honest question. Can a person go to jail/prison for pulling off a hoax as Sarah did 3 years ago? She's gotten away with it so far. Who's gonna have the guts to come right out and ask her and then keep asking until her medical records prove that she did birth Trig. She won't and she didn't but I was just wondering if she could possibly face serious jail time 'cause you know, we here in America we forgive and forget all the time. The biggest proof of forgiving and forgetting: Valerie Plame and treason by the then VP Cheney. IOKIYAR
ReplyDeleteBetter lawyer up Mrs. Palin. Some people don't take kindly to being swindled and made to look like a fool.
ReplyDeleteI read this when it was originally posted so have had time to think about it for a while.
ReplyDeleteMy daughter gave birth to my first grandson in Anchorage last fall. She is a career woman in her late 30s and the head of the HR division of a large multi-state company. My grandson decided to become an air breather about 4 weeks ahead of schedule so my daughter was supposed to work for at least 2 more weeks.
To make a long story short...While she was in the hospital waiting for the delivery to begin in earnest after her water broke and her doctor told her to get to the hospital NOW, she was using her iPhone to email people at work about stuff that she wasn't going to be able to handle because of the early birth. (my wife took pictures of her doing this) I got to the delivery room, which at Providence in Anchorage is more like a hotel room than a typical hospital room, shortly after she had given birth. She was still sitting in the blood soaked sheets looking like she had been out partying nonstop for a week. Dad was holding the baby and he handed it to Grandma while I looked to see if I could see any resemblance to my family. Then I got to hold him and while I was sitting and telling him all the stuff Grandpa was going to teach him I looked up and saw my daughter with her iPhone emailing someone. I asked her what she was doing and she said she was emailing and texting everyone about the baby. NOT about the mean thing somebody said about her at work last week. NOT about the important meeting that had to be rescheduled because she wouldn't be in to the office for a while. It was all about the baby and how perfect he was and how much it was all worth it and how beautiful he was. NOTHING about work! Her whole world was now that baby.
That is what a real mother is thinking about after just delivering one of God's precious gifts!
Earliest Palin emails missing from release
ReplyDeletePRIVATE ACCOUNT: State offers no explanation for missing documents.
Nearly a month of former Gov. Sarah Palin's emails are missing from the documents released to media organizations last week, a gap that raises questions about what other emails might also be missing from what's being nationally reported as her record as Alaska governor.
The records include no emails between Dec. 8, 2006 and Dec. 29, 2006. The state's log of emails that it withheld from public release also lists none from that time period.
That means, if the record is to be trusted, Palin did not send or receive a single email about state business during a time when she was busy taking the first major actions of her new administration. That means zero emails during a period during which, among other things, Palin put out her proposed state budget, appointed an attorney general, killed the contract for a road out of Juneau and vetoed a bill that sought to block state public employee benefits to same-sex couples.
http://www.adn.com/2011/06/13/1914612/almost-a-
month-of-palins-emails.html
It is common knowledge to get to your doctor or a hospital if you experience any signs of labor preterm.
ReplyDeleteIs there anything Palin does not lie about?
RU There Sarah? It's Me God said... : GREAT POST! This should be made available to the MSN also, too!
ReplyDeleteI'll say it again-there is no way this hospital would have allowed her to give birth there with this very early, special needs child. The hospital needs to be investigated. The nurses and Dr.'s need to be held accountable. Who can we contact to express our concerns?
ReplyDeleteOf course, this is only if the birth were true.
No mom is going to be worried about problems back at the Office or small details and instructions to staff, while going through the timeline mentioned above. No way.
ReplyDeleteShe'd be feeling the euphoria that most moms feel probably due to hormonal elevation - a strong strong bonding instinct would take over and all she'd want to do is be with her baby. Not concerned or preoccupied with things back at work, unless she's incapable of normal feelings.
A real mother's emotions would be raw, and she'd be crying and not in the mood to engage about work-related details. She'd be in a very thankful mood, being grateful to staff and family and grateful to God for allowing everything to go smoothly. She'd probably be jingling her church friends and asking for prayers that her premature baby feeds well and is able to swallow properly and doesn't face some of the problems some DS infants face. She would know that she's not out of the woods yet with her newborn's health concerns.
I wouldn't know what to call a woman who just went through that and couldn't wait to send instructions via blackberry to staff and have her mind of other things. A self-indulged cold callous unfeeling person?
so i just typed 'baby' in crivella's search thingy and someone congratulated the husband on their new blessing on the 8th of march...?
ReplyDeletehttp://www.crivellawest.net/palin/pdf/920.pdf
@8:36 re needing pitocin after water breaks.
ReplyDeleteI was living in an Alaskan village when my water broke.
The village health nurse was NOT interested in having me deliver a baby in the village if she could avoid it, and this was a normal full term baby. We did not sit around and wait for the next scheduled flight. I was med evac'd to Anchorage, rushed to the hospital . . . and my contractions slowed down. Because my water had broken, the doc needed to hurry the delivery, so I was put on pitocin.
It was not a difficult delivery, but I sure as hell wasn't interested in getting in touch with work an hour later!
The beauty of meeting your child after 7 to 9 months of makin it, doesn't negate the fatigue and gross factor of your body's condition after giving birth.
ReplyDeleteYour uterus is still large and bloated, and your 'undercarriage' simply hurts. If you have a c-section, which she supposedly didn't in this scenario, you have to hold a towel against your abdomen when you stand so you don't fall all over the place.
Your milk starts to come in and the 'dropping' sensation is painful at first.
The filling and hardening of the breasts is visibly obvious, even for small breasted women. Bristol's breasts in the official First Family portrait look like they are lactating and are large in the GOP Convention display with Levi. When your milk drops (usually on its own timeline or when you hear a baby cry, ANY baby cry) you start to lactate - now it is different with every woman but someone like me needed breast pads so we won't soak our tops and embarrass ourselves.
There is a hilarious scene in Roseanne where Jacki is getting married with her infant in tow and when he starts to cry the parts of her clothing over her aureola gets soaked.
Point being, sure, there is beauty and joy in giving birth, but being postpartum isn't a pretty, clean, refreshing and a stomach-flattening ordeal.
Dear 6:57 Thank you, Thank you, Thank you.
ReplyDeleteI have never given birth to a child and your contribution helped explain to me why I intuitively never bought into Palin's "I was pregnant with/gave birth to Trig" fable.
What makes Palin's birth experience even more miraculous - no, perposterous - is that Palin claimed that she had a tubal ligation (after Piper was born).
Well. If that doesn't beat all. No wonder Palin was able to so hurridly begin her electronic communications so soon after Trig's birth. It is totally inconceivable (pun intended) that Palin bore Trig.
Gryphen, thank you for dedicating 6:57's contribution to its own post. I hope you also send this posting information out to all news media personnel.
Darkefang, there is no nail in the coffin until the baby hoax is told to the American people by somebody who is going to maintain credibility in the face of the vicious attacks from Palin and her supporters. Now who do you think that will be? Why Darkefang, of course it will have to be one of Palin's political opponents within the Republican party when she runs for president. Which she is not doing of course. But just imagine if she did, how the party would be able to destroy her with the evidence they have on her. OH, and maintain their own righteous credibility while doint it. You know darkefang how hard it is to attack a motherhood issue.
ReplyDeleteSo let's play a little game here now. Let's work out a scenario where she is exposed and I'll help out from time to time with hints on what the Republican party operatives already know, knew way back when Sarah became the VP pick. Ya think?
The link...I promised, but forgot to put in my post : )
ReplyDeletehttp://palinundefeated.com/
As I said in the other thread, I find it impossible to believe a doctor would give a woman (at least) 4 weeks premature pictocin to progress labor. Doctors try to do whatever they can to prolong the baby's time in utero. So that would mean stopping the contractions and bedrest...not, let's go ahead and give you pictocin so you can have this baby (at least) 4 weeks early. And about the water break/leak...that was not part of her original story, remember? Her dad enhanced her tall tale with that detail and she couldn't back down off of it, but she downplayed it. Even if the water had been leaking, I am sure that doctors would manage the situation to prolong the baby's time in utero.
ReplyDeleteNot only that, but even IF they had decided to go ahead with the birth, they would've given the mother a corticosteroid to help the baby's lung development, 24 hours prior to birth. So they would've delayed giving birth to do this. Doctors are able to use fluid to "wash" the baby constantly even when water has been broken completely. But they did not delay labor by a day according to her story.
I call fake fake fake also too to everything this woman says or writes.
ReplyDeleteGiven the evidence of how dull, unthinking and unimaginative these Palin kids are - there was no way that Willow was capable of making a DS diagnosis and invoking such a sage response for the purposes of the book.
In any case, wasn't it rude and insane that Sarah didn't bother to prepare her kids of his condition before his birth?
Why, it's as crazy as having someone else inform them that their Mother has accepted a VP running mate position that will upturn their world without consulting them.
Wonder if Mat-Su Hospital has a lower patient attendance since the wild ride. Who in their right mind would want to take a chance having their premature special needs baby there? It would be scary to think that a woman-in-labor arriving there might not get transferred to a NICU facility? Would they treat everyone else like they treated their Governor?
ReplyDeleteAnother thing, would a premature newborn with a possible hole in his heart be allowed to be handled by the Palin siblings? What about germs and viruses? Were they wearing masks and gloves? Wouldn't a preemie be put immediately in an incubator and put on iv drip? Especially if it had jaundice?
ReplyDeleteAn excellent timeline, Anonymous 6:57.
ReplyDeleteEven if I thought $arah Palin was superwoman I doubt emailing one's coterie is the thing even she would do at a time that is so physically and family intense.
Someone needs to contact the hopsital and find out what their policy is for blackberry and cell phone use - there may be parts of the hospital our "outside" the hostpial where it is permitted - but I would be a week's paycheck that those devices are NOT allowed inside in the maternity ward - granted rules and laws for that matter do not apply to Palin - but when something can interfere with hospital equipment I'm sure the nurses would not have allowed a cell phone in maternity (other then to snap a photo or two - but not being on for calls)
ReplyDeletePalin didn't have to worry about all that timeline nonsense because she wasn't pregnant in the first place. She shoots from the hip. The pregnancy scam was one of her batshit crazy spur-of-the-moment ideas. She didn't plan anything.
ReplyDeleteNow she's faced with tying up all those loose ends that her three year long string of lies has exposed.
Good luck with that Palin, you fucking imbecile.
One fact that is consistently missing from this email debate regarding the fake pregnancy is....Sarah had a tubal ligation when Piper was born. How then does a "surgically sterile" woman then become pregnant?????
ReplyDeleteJeanabella @8:18am said:
ReplyDeleteShe can't fool women who have been through this, but she has fooled most men.
Just last night a commenter, male (on another blog) told me I was crazy because the fact that she had a baby in her arms was proof that she gave birth.
It was so absurd. You're right, it hasn't taken much to fool the men.
I have often wondered about the inducing and the breast feeding from a bottle, but I really don't know "nothin about birthin, Mizz Scarlet."
ReplyDeleteThe emails do prove a few things that we already knew: there is no way she gave birth early on April 18 and then blithely started sending unrelated e-mails from a hospital bed. The no cell phone rule is pretty strict at most hospitals. Big signs at the entrances.
So, I got to thinking a little further and a scenario right out of 30 Rock came to mind. Jack and his wife, who is heavily pregnant, go to Toronto for a conference. She starts labor and all the planes are grounded. They panis that their baby would be born in Canada and not eligible to run for president of the US. They try to hitch-hike their way to Buffalo (just over the border from where I live) and don't make it. Baby is born in nearby St. Catharines. (Funny scene at the end where Jack insists upon paying for L&D and the hospital refuses to charge them. Love my socialized medical care but it's not that good.) So, if it were true that she was leaking, she could have gone into full labor, they may have had to make an emergency landing in Canada and Trig could have been born in Canada. How were they so sure that wouldn't have happened? The airline would not have been amused and the paperwork would have been extensive. Another reason it never happened the way Sarah claims.
Palin Supporters Working on New Analysis of Email Dump
ReplyDeleteAnd now, claiming Palin has been mistreated by the media once again, Conservatives4Palin, a non-profit website with more than 1 million visitors each month, is planning to analyze the emails themselves.
"Some of us were like, 'Oh no, it's just going to be a massive witch hunt. We were afraid of what the media would cook up or try to take out of context," said Conservatives4Palin contributor Nicole Coulter, who lives in Hershey, Pa. "We feel like the media was hoping to find something to pin on her negatively but it's kind of blown up in their faces, with all due respect."
Coulter, who was a Democrat until deciding to become Republican in 2004, has spent the past year writing for the pro-Palin website, which was co-founded in 2009 by Rebecca Mansour, a current SarahPAC staffer. Mansour has some frankness issues of her own when it comes to the Palins.
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics
/palin-supporters-working-
analysis-email-dump/story?id=13828317
Here's another birth announcement (better written!) for a baby with Down syndrome, from 2006 that may have been an inspiration for the infamous letter
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willer noticed the DS but not the malformed ear? sharp as a butterknife that kid is.
ReplyDeleteThis guy raptured and went straight to Republican heaven!
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I have the same question as another Anon. poster asked here, and it's if SP was caught to have lied about the Trig birth story, could this mean prison time for making up a hoax? I think it affected people's perception of herthey voted for in the 2008 election. It no doubt helped bring donations in. Did she receive baby gifts from everywhere and donations based on her premise of delivering a DS baby? Did pro-life groups send her gifts, money, based on her story that she chose life?
ReplyDeleteI think there are some legal questions here. Pretending to be pregnant while Governor of a state would be like pretending to be a cancer victim. It may not be criminal to pretend anything, but if while doing so, they accept votes, image-building, benefits and gifts because of it, would be questionnable.
I'm with you Truthseeker @9:52
ReplyDeleteThe 'story' always felt just like that -- a story. Just a little too contrived and too good -- too easy -- to be true.
As a Neonatal Intensive Care Nurse for 15 years, I can attest to the accuracy of this post. Very well done! Thanks for taking the time to explain the details.
ReplyDeleteSome people from the McCain campaign know that at a minimum SP faked the pregnancy with Trig. When are they going to come forward?
ReplyDeleteMy, shouldn't Sarah at least be given credit to raising the study of stuff long taken for granted as 'known?' Like what makes for good neighbors? How to build a 14' fence above an existing fence? How to build a superhouse on a lake with materials that fell off a sports complex truck? Paul Revere's ride and other American historical facts? The joys and ease of birthing and raising special needs dependents?
ReplyDeleteThe subject of nursing has been brought up. And again, when it comes to women's health issues - it isn't easy, clean and pretty.
First your breasts produces colostrum which is a thicker substance to help your infant fight against infection and prepare them for normal breast milk feeding.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colostrum
It's a little hard to 'pump' this substance and better when a baby is able to suck it out him/herself. This is essential stuff of life here, after several hours or days, your regular milk comes in.
She bragged about nursing Trig while on teleconferences (which I've done many times) and though it actually is possible the lactate when you haven't birthed an infant, I'd like anyone to testify that they'd seen Sarah nurse Trig.
Anon @ 10:13 a.m.
ReplyDeleteHow does one become pregnant when they've been surgically sterilized?
I think what's more fantastical is her immaculate conception, given that she and Todd don't have relations. . .unless they occasionally have some hate or make-up relations?
Eww, I hate that we even talk about this. See what you've reduced us to Sarah?
So where are the trolls in response to this post (and equally thought-provoking comments)?
ReplyDeletemissing from the timeline (and the email database apparently) is Palin notifying the leutinent governor that she will be busy giving birth for the next day or so....
ReplyDeleteThe ride just keeps getting wilder. With the 22 missing days - I am further convinced that there are more email addresses that we do not know about yet.
P.S. bet sarah is hating on Bachmann. hahahaha
I'd have to read the Trig letter "from God" again to be sure...which I am definitely NOT inclined to do...but my impression there was that everything in the third person was a way to slip slide around the fact that the parents "God" was referring to were a third party and not Sarah and Todd.
ReplyDeleteOkay, I'll read it again.
Re: Anony @9:48 am...what baby is Erika referring to when telling Todd congrats regarding having a new baby on March 8, 2008? Does anyone have an explanation?
ReplyDeletealso - can someone do a timeline and side by side pics of the Gusty photo and sarah back at work in her skinny skirt and form fitting atheletic jacket just a couple of days later? amazing weight loss!
ReplyDeleteI just went to NYTimes and searched the April 18 emails. Sorry folks, but it looks like earliest we have proof of her actually emailing is not until about 10:30am. The emails from the 8 o'clock hour were emails sent TO her, not emails she sent. So, as awesome as the timeline is (and I think even 10:30am is a stretch for "gettin' back to flippin' business") we should make sure it's accurate so as to not be discounted by any potential people looking for merit in the hoax story.
ReplyDeleteUnless, of course, there are other emails that I missed?
At what point did our political system become decadent? The moment when the United States collectively abdicated its responsibilities in self-government was when the American people accepted the notion that John McCain believed that Sarah Palin was qualified to serve as President of the United States. The fact that the media continues to legitimize the political viability of an individual who never gave a press conference and demonstrates zero ability to recognize what she does not know, is appalling. The fact that 45.7% of the American people in 2008 gave an affirmative answer to the very simple question: "Is Sarah Palin qualified to be President of the United States?" is telling in and of itself.
ReplyDeleteI will go further: the introduction of Sarah Palin and her perverse relationship with the American media has been the singularly most toxic element in American politics in the post-Cold War period.
http://andrewsullivan.thedaily
beast.com/2011/06/when-did-we-become-rome-the-palin-pick.html#more
I continue to be astonished that someone can post a blatant lie on a Facebook page, have the media report on it as factual news and a real policy prescription, and permanently poison the political well. We need not go past the healthcare debate to see ample evidence of this phenomenon.
ReplyDeleteWe should not be deluded that even if Sarah Palin does not run for the Presidency that she will not have a profound impact on the Republican nomination process. She and her Christianist tendencies will enjoy a de facto veto over any candidate that fails to tap into her revanchist version of history - resentments against virtually all portions of American society. She is a constituency of one and the most important constituency in the Republican Party, which will result in a candidate who has no viable policy programs, but just might get elected due to economic circumstances.
The media, the American people, and most importantly the Republican Party, should forcefully tell Palin that she either needs to declare her candidacy or be shunned to a life of political insignificance. We know this is not going to happen. She is the mainstream media's favorite politician. She is the spiritual and political leader of the Republican Party. For Democrats, she is a politician who should be cajoled into running to optimize Obama's chances of reelection, under the false and dangerous conventional wisdom that she is unelectable.
http://andrewsullivan.thedailybeast.com/2011/06/when-did-we-become-rome-the-palin-pick.html#more
No, no, no. You're forgetting about Sarah's rock-hard abs. After giving birth and catching up on a few emails, she went jogging.
ReplyDeleteThen she farted rainbows out her ass.
If $arah had a Pit drip, they must have put it in her ass because i didn't see ANY markings of a recent IV on the backs of her hands.
ReplyDeleteL&D IVs go in the backs of hands instead of insides of the elbows.
The water-breaking embellishment came from Chuck, but the Pitocin detail came from $arah.
Thanks for highlighting this, Griffin, and thanks to the anonymous poster.
ReplyDeleteI'm a mother of two and agree with everything. I had two unmedicated births and had to concentrate like crazy to manage labor. Friends who have been induced have told me there's no time to recover between contractions. They come fast and furious. No matter how a woman gives birth, her body wants to rest afterwards (once the adrenaline wears off). My own labors were short (five and four hours respectively)and all I wanted to do was get my girls breastfeeding and go to sleep.
The thought that Sarah Palin was sending e-mails so soon after giving birth given the crazy 24 hours she describes (the middle-of-the-night water breaking, the concern about preterm labor and delivery for her beloved unborn son, the "big contractions" during her speech, the two flights back to Alaska, the night time drive, the stalled labor, and the final induced delivery of a premature down syndrome baby with heart problems) is completely and utterly ridiculous and unbelievable.
It didn't happen.
Any time I've spoken with a woman who's given birth in the hours after delivery (and I've spoken with quite a few family members and friends who've had all different kinds of deliveries), it's been a brief "Hi, congratulations, thank you," hand the phone back to husband or partner.
Women who've given birth and anyone who's been a birthing coach/partner/attendant knows the whole story is a steaming pile of crap. Even the palinbots know, despite their protests and Sarah-adoration.
@Sharon 10:08
ReplyDeleteYes, that 30Rock scene was nonsense. I have on occasion used the walk-in clinic in the (closer) Canadian town to the north, and paid out of pocket because I was not paying the monthly provincial health care premiums. It was reimbursed by my US insurance eventually.
As for Sarah's tale, what arrant nonsense. Anonymous 6:57, you nailed it.
Gryphen, WOW! I am so honored to have my little old comment on the front page of my #1 blog! I feel like I should call my mom or something ;)
ReplyDeleteIn all seriousness...I encourage other women to post their birth experiences here as they relate to timelines. It's usually easy to backtrack because you know the exact minute of your child's birth. Remember back to when the doctor or nurse said the exact time- they say it out loud so it can be charted immediately. Then think about the next moment you were really able to focus on something besides bonding with and nursing your new baby, having brand new family photos taken, the nurses making sure your bleeding was normal, and you changing into a clean gown and having your linens changed...
You will be surprised by how quickly these visceral, passionate moments come back to you.
The sheer intensity of the "ring of fire", that supernatural feeling of empowerment when your baby is halfway out and you think "oh my God, I AM DOING THIS!!!"...these are the moments that indelibly seep into our mother hearts...and why anyone who went through them could NEVER "accidentally" give the incorrect location where these moments occurred or serially mis-state the month of pregnancy in which our child was born.
Based purely upon Sarah Palin's OWN labor and birth narrative, I do not believe the laws of biology, physics, or time can accommodate her ALSO "working" at 8:30 in the morning.
Thank you again to all the people who gave me good feedback on my comment. I almost didn't submit the comment because I felt like it just went on too long...now I'm so glad I said "the hell with it!" and posted anyway. You all really validated my passion for birth, new life, and my absolute refusal to let her ridiculous story make REAL women feel "less than" because THEY weren't able to "work" 90 minutes after pushing a baby out or fit into a size 4 slim suit 48 hours afterward.
Gryphen - how well has the information that these emails were indeed sent by Palin on Trig's "delivery" day been vetted? I saw a discussion where at least some of the 9 emails sent that day from her could be accounted for as through an automatic system or funneled through a secretary.
ReplyDeleteI want to make sure this info is absolutely airtight before everyone goes into a frenzy over it, because if it IS airtight that it came from her Blackberry, it is big. Are we SURE?
I mean no disrespect to those posting that hospitals do not allow cell phone use, but.... since when does Sarah Palin follow rules, especially back when she was the Governor of the podunk state of AK? I doubt anyone would have told her to knock it off, and if they had, she'd have started back up as soon as they left the room.
ReplyDeleteThat being said, I appreciate 6:57's comment and think it's pretty right on.
Let's not forget that if Sarah Palin's story is true (nearly 24 hours since she began leaking amniotic fluid, preterm labor, special needs baby, mom in her 40s, induction), both the doctor and the ill-equipped hospital were putting themselves at risk for immense law suits and horrific publicity that would end their existences as health-care providers.
ReplyDelete9:58--"Given the evidence of how dull, unthinking and unimaginative these Palin kids are - there was no way that Willow was capable of making a DS diagnosis and invoking such a sage response for the purposes of the book.
ReplyDeleteIn any case, wasn't it rude and insane that Sarah didn't bother to prepare her kids of his condition before his birth"
But she did prepare them didn't she? With the letter from Our Heavenly Creator? given to them after she announced in March. I don't think she mentioned Downs but she did mention his chromosomal traits. They must have known they were going to be having a DS child around, so the idea that Willow dx'd Downs after the baby was presented is silly.
Sarah was sitting in a nice, comfy chair Blackberry in each hand while someone else delivered this baby.
ReplyDeleteOkay, maybe sitting in bed waiting for a baby of some kind to be brought in and handed to her while she pretended she had given birth.
She had four kids and couldn't remember what it was like? Really?
I think moron says it all.
This may put the WGE in to a serious pout. This, and the careful dissection of the letter from Go..or...someo...well who knows.
ReplyDeleteAnyway. She's been uncharacteristically silent for a few days, eh? Wonder what's going on poolside in AZ.
TRIGS ALIVE!!!
ReplyDeleteWell as of Feb 5, 2011
http://www.corbisimages.com/ImageGroup/5/1307309
Gryphen there is a big whole in your argument on this post. Carriesblank looked at the emails from the day and just wrote this to me -
ReplyDelete"Helen, I just looked and most from that day are the "form letter" type. The first I could find from her blackberry was at 3:30 pm. and nothing from the withheld list. I also think that the times on emails need to be checked since the day before in Texas was a different time zone. I don't know how that works."
I don't think you vetted this argument. This kind of stuff will backfire badly and give a lot of ammunition to the Babygate debunkers.
If I am wrong about this, I would be very pleased. Please tell me I am.
A thought. Could it have been Toad sending the e-mails but using her name on the e-mail at her request? Sad that ANYONE would be doing anything other than participating in a special family moment but this is the Palins.
ReplyDeleteGryphen, you may need to add a small note or correction if the first email on the 18th was at 10:30, not 8am.
ReplyDeleteEven by 10:30 am, either Trig was breastfeeding or Sarah was sleeping: it was 33 hours after she was last in bed and with the exhaustion of (induced) delivery added on.
Or she was on speed ("coffee" not strong enough) to stay awake and do important state business about "goofs" and ghost written letters to the ADN.
anon @ 9:55 said:
ReplyDelete"Darkefang, there is no nail in the coffin until the baby hoax is told to the American people by somebody who is going to maintain credibility in the face of the vicious attacks from Palin and her supporters."
Unfortunately, this is correct. The only other alternative would be for the MSM to dig into this story, and they've already shown that they've abdicated on this front. Perhaps Sarah is right about one thing: the MSM is "lamestream," especially when it comes to digging into her fabricated birth tale.
And to the anon who asked if SP can be prosecuted: what crime would you charge her with? Lying to the public and your constituents, while immoral, isn't a crime. If the truth about her faked childbirth ever came out, it would mean she would be disgraced, not imprisoned. I'd settle for disgraced, although I'm not hopeful about this outcome for the reasons I mentioned above.
Expressing milk to feed to a baby is much, much harder and much less productive than just going ahead and feeding the baby at the breast.
ReplyDeleteI can't see that lazy woman expressing milk so that other's can breastfeed.
I always got kind of a drug-like mellow good-feeling whenever I breastfed--something I never got while expressing milk. I really miss that part of the feeling.
10:35
ReplyDeleteThey said they would come forward if it looked like Palin might actually run--not just hint about it.
Nixon got toasted for missing 18 minutes. Sara hides 22 days and she gets a freebie?
ReplyDeleteAs for the earliest email at 10:30 instead of 8? Who cares. I can recall vividly the first day both of our kids were born. Mom slept or nursed. With the Pit she was out cold and in pain when she did awake to nurse our newbie. Sara picking up the blackberry to start emailing from a room that doesn't allow cell phones is outrageous.
I call bullshit too about the part about Willow stating the baby looked like he had Down Syndrome. I admitted a newborn patient received from a Lifeflight crew who had a heart defect and who was floppy and unable to feed well and I asked why no one told me the kid had DS? Not the physician nor nursing staff at the rural hospital where the child was born or the lifeflight crew were able to tell he had DS by looking at the baby until he was brought to a pediatric unit. To think that a 14-year-old girl was able to make that call is preposterous.
ReplyDeleteCome on Sarah, why lie?! Release your postpartum pictures and put this to rest. Can you possibly be that vain or is this as it appears an elaborate hoax pulled off for political gain? Some of us are not easy marks so give us the proof. Where are the swollen faced bloodshot eyed pictures of you in your first hours postpartum with your newborn Trig? You want us to admire you for choosing life but you have presented a very unlikely scenario. You can't blame us for having some doubt.
Anonymous 8:51
ReplyDeleteThey call it pumping...Believe me, it is not breast feeding. It is pumping.
Look folks, Sarah never did have a baby but she did find herself in a very tricky situation when she was about to be chosen as the VP choice of mac. The situation was that her daughter had just had a baby and her being less than interesting in Alaska in her position as gov, the news hadn't hit the Mstream. So what to do but to get out what needed to get out to the people. And how to do it after the fact? Well, just make Bristol pregnant which would make all the rumors of her already having a baby impossible. Done! and now no dirty lingering truths of Palin's coverup of her daughter's unwed preg. But then things get complicated again because the brisket can't say no and she doesn't believe in safe sex.
ReplyDeleteAnd what does all this matter? Not a damn bit because it doesn't reach those who need to know. And everybody lived happily ever after because Sarah knows the downside of trying to get cocky and be somebody. So farwe think but we pretty well know! We think we know?
Love, Wholy Mary.
And to the anon who asked if SP can be prosecuted: what crime would you charge her with?
ReplyDeleteLying isn't a crime...neither is posting nude photos on twitter.... If she hadn't quit already, she'd be toast by now for sexting constantly.
The reason why nobody is touching this is that the idea of a "mother" lying about such a thing is just a horrible, horrible thought. One would have to be a monster to lie about something like this.
ReplyDeleteGreat comments and great idea to post this as its own item.
ReplyDeleteJust two quick things: most hospitals actually DO allow patients to use cellphones. I called my sister shortly after giving birth to look up the correct spelling for my daughter's middle name (Macey, with an "e" because I didn't want the same name as the department store!) The nurses were still putting her under the heat lamp.
But what woman uses NO maternity leave? Why would you possibly do that. I had a friend who went back to work 5 days post-delivery and I thought she was nuts, wore it as a badge of honor that she was such a corporate diehard. But NO maternity leave AT All? The only person that does that is someone who is covering their tracks and doesn't want to take a chance that they would be charged as fraudulently using benefits in the event the big lie is discovered.
Wholy Mary - you contradict yourself all over the place and then end on some word salad questions. You can't be taken seriously.
ReplyDeletePlease people don't take this prankster seriously.
Pumping take a lot of hard work and TIME. Sooooo hard to do. Soooo uncomfortable.
ReplyDeleteYou sit there and feel like a cow with these cups on you, which are tied to tubes and those tubes are tied to a machine. The cups suck hard and hurt (a bit).
You spill, you make a mess. You have to have a quiet, peacefull place for about 20 minutes where you can't be interrupted. You have to be able to refridgerate what you expressed rather quickly if you are going to save it for a while. You can't talk on the phone, etc. You can't be stresed.
You CAN'T be on caffeine--that's even worse than being preganant and on caffeine.
I don't see how a person who moves around as much as she does and can't sit still for 5 minutes could ever pump more than a few times.
JUST NOT POSSIBLE.
@ 9:55 AM
ReplyDeleteOK, I'll play along. Let's have a scenario where Bachmann, who has recently declared her candidacy, becomes the focus of SP's ire. SP is being prevented from running a real campaign and Bachmann becomes the newest darling of the right wing.
SP comes after her and Bachmann, after using other ammo first, decides to go nuclear with Palin.
Bachmann calls a press conference. Palin, media whore extraordinaire,
makes it her business to be crashing an event nearby. But SP gets the surprise of her life because Bachmann spills the beans on babygate!!!
Ok 9:55, your turn.
Having given birth twice with my first child induced, I can say without a doubt, the pain is horrible and intense.
ReplyDeleteThe contractions start immediately without any buildup and they are INTENSE. Despite the induction of my full term infant, I had back labor for 16 hours before a C-section was done. During the time of the pitocin use, my baby had heart monitors attached to his head.
I was only 30 and in very good health. That being said, I was HUGE and he only weighed 7lb 13oz. From behind I didn't really look pregnant but when I turned to the side, wow!
I am just under 5'1" and at the time of his conception, I weighed less than 100 lbs. My doctor told me before his birth that if my water broke, I was to get myself to the hospital immediately. If he slowed in his movement, I was to get myself to the ER, if I had any bleeding, I was to go to the ER.
My husband and I travelled to Tortola BVI when I was seven months prnegant. My doctor told me I could go but it had to be the last trip until the baby was born. The airline was quite nervous about flying me anywhere and I had to have a doctor's release to even be allowed on the flight.
Our flights were under 3 hours during each leg yet I had to pee at least eight times. I don't think I could have been any more uncomfortable than I was on those flights. Even on our vacation, my legs swelled up and I was a nervous wreck being so far from a hospital.
Had my water started leaking, I would have done whatever I had to do to get to the closest hospital asap. I sure as hell would not have boarded an airplane where the pressure of flight on the amniotic sac which was leaking, could have harmed my child.
I call bullshit on the wild ride story and bullshit on her induction/delivery story. As a woman who has born two children, I smelled a rat the moment her stories became public. She's a liar at best and a horrible mother at worst.
Methinks she'll be needin' the Great Gazoo . . .
ReplyDeleteSTAT!
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I read it this morning and thought it was excellent. Gee, makes Sarah look like a flippin' liar. No surprise there.
ReplyDeleteHere's a Todd e-mail on 4/18 re: ADN request for baby pictures. Todd says Chuck may have a couple of pictures. Why wouldn't Todd have pictures?
ReplyDeletehttp://www.crivellawest.net/palinAll/pdf/1124.pdf
@12:51, seriously! LOL. She may have been channelling the Great Gazoo at Rolling Thunder, but she is the typical "earthling" who would need help from him. And he'd call her "Dum Dum". Cause she is.
ReplyDelete12:26
ReplyDeleteGood point about fraudlent sick leave and going back to work immediatly.
However, most places allow you to take "maternity" leave if there is an adoption. But, you usually have to complete special paperwork for this. It is usually called "bonding time". It's basically the same idea as a father taking time off for a baby.
Even though I think it is a completely valid point, or would be with any reasonably normal woman, I have to inject that Sarah's narcissistic, sociopathic tendencies pretty much preclude her from showing any interest or emotion about having a baby, even if she did. I think kids meant threee things to her, and only two things: oops, I'm preggers AGAIN, oh goodie, a babysitter, and oh goodie, a prop!
ReplyDeletehttp://www.crivellawest.net/palinAll/pdf/12846.pdf
ReplyDeleteMarth 11, 2008 e-mail:
Palin breastfed all her kids...Piper for 3 years. Funny she doesn't mention how long she plans to breastfeed Trig.
Can someone help me with Crivella search tips? Can I search on more than one word? I'm trying to narrow down my searches, using a list of words, but the results I'm getting aren't narrowed down. I always get 50 results.
ReplyDeleteSomeone made an interesting comment about the real reason Palin didn't take any maternity leave.
ReplyDeleteIf she took a paid disability leave claiming she was recovering from childbirth, that would be fraud. So she knew if she was ever found out, she couldn't be charged with fraud if she didn't take a second off from work. As someone else pointed out, lying to the public may be morally wrong, but its not a crime. Falsely claiming disability leave could be a crime or, at the very least, for a sitting Governor, an ethics violation.
Even though I was the one who suggested Gryphen post the comment on the blog itself, I agree with some of the commenters that if the emails on the day of the birth weren't coming from Palin's Blackberry or were somehow automated, the post loses all of its force.
I figured out how to search for multiple words. You need to use AND NOT and OR.
ReplyDeleteAnonymous @ 9:37 am said "Honest question. Can a person go to jail/prison for pulling off a hoax as Sarah did 3 years ago?"
ReplyDeletePossibly if the child wasn't born in Alaska (some people had stated it was possible the child was born in Seattle) and was receiving payments from the Alaska Permanent Fund. There could also be insurance fraud as well.
Those are the possibilities, but the evidence is going to have to be pretty damn irrefutable (or irrfudiateable for you C4P lurkers) to result in charges. Even then the chances are slim IMO.
So...
ReplyDeleteThere are a few comments on here about how easy it is for Scarah to fool "The Men".
Yea.... and all women are frail little fainters who need help with killing the spiders hanging from the ceiling.
PULEEEEEASE be a little more respectful of the Non-Panty sniffing, educated men who read this site.
Ok....end of Rant
Oh yea.... great post G!
VernD
Time for a cartoon showing Palin's blackberries are more important than a newborn son.
ReplyDeleteI'd love to see someone make a flowchart of the 17th and 18th that includes times of emails, flights, birth, etc. Each box in the flowchart should have a link. It sure would help to make a clearer picture. Anyone? Or is there such a one already out there?
I sent Rachel Maddow a link to this story. May also try (again) to get Cenk Uygar to look at the whole Wild Ride myth.
ReplyDeleteMy hope is that, with the new light shed on these details by Gryphen's keen eye, some of the bolder members of the MSM will have enough backbone to withdraw the pass they've given SP because of respect for her modesty, the ick factor, or whatever their specious reasons may be.
Call her out, MSM!
Andrea McLeod recently challenged the Gov's office about a 22 day gap in all emails from Palin.
ReplyDeleteSean Cockerham from ADN writes: "That means, if the record is to be trusted, Palin did not send or receive a single email about state business during a time when she was busy taking the first major actions of her new administration. That means zero emails during a period during which, among other things, Palin put out her proposed state budget, appointed an attorney general, killed the contract for a road out of Juneau and vetoed a bill that sought to block state public employee benefits to same-sex couples."
So the Miracle Vagina can send an irrelevant email two hours after a pitocin induced delivery, but didn't send any emails during a critical 22-day time period at the start of her administration. Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha
conscious at last- quote "OK, I'll play along. Let's have a scenario where Bachmann, who has recently declared her candidacy, becomes the focus of SP's ire. SP is being prevented from running a real campaign and Bachmann becomes the newest darling of the right wing.
ReplyDeleteSP comes after her and Bachmann, after using other ammo first, decides to go nuclear with Palin.
Bachmann calls a press conference. Palin, media whore extraordinaire,
makes it her business to be crashing an event nearby. But SP gets the surprise of her life because Bachmann spills the beans on babygate!!!"
First of all, you should understand that there's a lot of difference between the Republican party and Bawwkman. Romney is the current frontrunner for a good reason and that's because the R party doesn't yet have a candidate to challenge him who has stepped up to the plate. Check out Redstate.com to learn some of the inside politics and how the tea baggers are not going to accept a mainline R candidate. That goes vice versa. So the analogy fails in that Bawwkman is not acceptable and of course could never be backed as the R nominee.
So you see, the tea baggers are going to stand behind only one candidate and that could be Palin if Palin stood up to the plate. I'm saying definitively that she won't and if she does she's going to be cut off at the knees. The tea baggers and their extremist wackos can't beat Obama but a R candidate can. Do you understand that I'm saying that the R's are not going to let their chances be destroyed by Palin.
Can you think of something a little more difficult? If gryphen doesn't clutter up the works with a bunch of frivilous shit that's off the main topic then this could get interesting. I would suggest taking down the two newer posts but I'm afraid he is too vain to do that. If he does this post is going to go over 1000 ballistic. Just wait and see.
Wholy Mary.
OK work has settled down, and I'm ready to start reading some more emails.
ReplyDeleteCan somebody post a link that allows you to read one email after another? I keep finding single-page .pdfs, and the WaPo site only goes thru 2007... ?
Thanks!
I've also never given birth. But I know what the teachers at work call it when they breast feed using a bottle. They call it pumping, not breast feeding.
ReplyDeleteMost do both, the breast feed at home and they pump at work to provide bottles for when they're not home.
But they don't call bottle feeding breast feeding.
Given everything shared to this point, Sarah is a big fat liar.
But it will take DNA tests by impartial and impeccable sources to prove it.
Here's a Todd e-mail on 4/18 re: ADN request for baby pictures. Todd says Chuck may have a couple of pictures. Why wouldn't Todd have pictures?
ReplyDeleteROFL because Todd wasn't there when Trigger "popped out". Maybe Levi had pictures too.
Among the other implausible stories Sarah has told regarding the pregnancy & birth of Trig, the one that chews at my brain the most is her keeping her pregnancy a SECRET from not just her staff & the general public, its that she didn't share that info with her own family.
ReplyDeleteI can't fathom the fact that she never sat her children down to discuss that not only was a new member of the family arriving, but he was going to provide the ENTIRE family special challenges. This wasn't just going to affect Sarah & Todd after all. I mean, didn't she stop to consider that they just might have questions & concerns that had to be addressed?
I've seen people take more care bringing home a new puppy than was shown by her.
Then again, considering she never gave birth to Trig anyway, the point is moot...but it was something that always bothered me about her fabricated story. I wonder if she ever hears how incredibly selfish she sounds??
FedupinNola
lol, don't mind my dubious math in the last comment. I started with two things and then remembered babysitting. Can't forget the important child labor.
ReplyDelete@Anon 10:54 AM
ReplyDeleteYou're right. The iv is usually placed on the top of the hand, and it's not typically taken out immediately after birth. It's usually kept in to continue the pit drip (to help reduce the size of the post-partem uterus) and also to replenish fluids lost from labor and delivery. Too bad there are no photos of Sarah immediately following the alleged birth of Trig to examine this.
Excellent idea, Gryphen. That post is something everyone should see.!!
ReplyDeleteIWantTheTruth
Conscious at last: That little scenario you painted would be fantabulous. Don't hold your breath waiting for snarky ole' 9:55to respond to you as he/she promised to give you hints. All hat and no cattle.
ReplyDeleteBRAVO !
ReplyDeleteExcelent summary.
In October 2007, Sarah and Bristol made a mysterious girls' trip(p) to New York City. Her is some of the timeline. Bristol appeared thick waisted on MTV on October 8, 2007.
ReplyDeleteApparently Sarah & Bristol traveled with persons named Tom and Beth Leschper.
Dates of the trip: October 7, AM flight ANC to NYC.
Return to ANC on Friday October 12.
So what did they do on the 9th, 10th and 11th? Did Sarah sent a lot of email messages while they were in NYC?
Sarah did weasel a VIP for Bristol to attend the Women's conference thereby paying for her flight and perdiem. The faux invite was received on or about September 28.
"Anonymous said...
ReplyDeleteWhy not get ahold of Trig's dna and do a check ? All one needs is one strand of hair or drop of saliva. Is there no one in Wasilla who has the ability to get that ? (Is Trig locked up without access to caretakers, nurses, waiters, etc ?) And it should be easy to get a strand of Mom's real hair from a brush at a hotel, or saliva from one of the straws she uses. If the truth is what we seek, someone needs to provide it.
9:12 AM"
Oh, boy another one of those "somebody needs to!" posts. They just keep getting better and better in their oh-so-realistic demands!
Right, it'll just be so easy to get DNA from both Trig and Sarah! And of course, everybody has access to a DNA lab, even though the commercial ones only seem to specialize in PATERNITY, NOT maternity (oops, so better get Todd's DNA instead!), and DNA tests are so cheap! Well, not really, they'll set you back around $200, but hey. It's worth it, right?
Then you can sit back and wait for the real fun to begin. The fun of having the Palins sue your ass for gross invasion of privacy.
PLEASE 9:12, stop making those of us who really do believe Sarah didn't give birth to Trig, and who want the truth about this "birth" to be legitimately exposed, from looking like COMPLETE idiots, 'k?
The Newsweek Women and Leadership Conference was held on Tuesday, October 9, 2007. It was only one day.
ReplyDeleteMarth 11, 2008 e-mail:
ReplyDeletePalin breastfed all her kids...Piper for 3 years. Funny she doesn't mention how long she plans to breastfeed Trig.
pffft...must be some new-fangled long distance breast feeding experiment. SP sees the child maybe once a month, but probably less than that.
"Just last night a commenter, male (on another blog) told me I was crazy because the fact that she had a baby in her arms was proof that she gave birth"
ReplyDeleteOh, cool. I have a picture of myself (as an 8 year old girl) holding a football. Therefore I won the Super Bowl.
I've tried to think of crimes Sarah could be charged with. The child would be eligible for a PFD no matter what, but if the Palins claimed it without adopting him that would be fraud. The PFD site says that fraud can lead to being permanently barred from receiving future PFDs, and being required to pay back all previous ones. Maybe that's why Sarah's leaving AK-- no more PFDs!
I also think that a few of her $100k checks for telling the wild ride story (such as to organizations helping disabled children) might count as fraud.
I'd love to see, if she's proven to have lied, people demand refunds for the price of Going Rogue.
Re Anonymous at 12:59 p.m. "Here's a Todd e-mail on 4/18 re: ADN request for baby pictures. Todd says Chuck may have a couple of pictures. Why wouldn't Todd have pictures?
ReplyDeletehttp://www.crivellawest.net/palinAll/pdf/1124.pdf "
Ooh, that's a good one. Good question.
Thanks for speaking out mom 6:57.
ReplyDeleteHopefully more and more moms and and others with the experience to say what reality is will come forward here and elsewhere.
Not to mention that delivering a child is very very messy and damned hard work.
Cell phones and of course Blackberry type instruments used to be banned everywhere in hospitals, though not so much anymore. Wonder if they are banned in rooms or delivery areas?
Does mom really want to micorwave kiddo at its first breath?
I still am amazed by how large Palin's jaw is and how masculine it looks.
ReplyDeleteJohn Edwards timeline:
ReplyDeleteOctober 2007 -- NE breaks story about affair with Hunter in 2006
January 2008 -- Edwards drops out of presidential election
August 2008 -- Edwards admits to affair
Jaunuary 2010 -- Edwards admits to paternity
June 2011 -- Edwards indicted for misuse of campaign funds
Sometimes it takes a while for the other shoe to drop.
I still wonder about the reports she had her tubes tied after Piper, Anyone have a clue where that story came from?
ReplyDelete22 days of e-mails missing ?????
ReplyDeleteNixon only had 18 minutes of missing tapes, and look what happend to him !
Thank you Andree for legally pursuing this.
Wholy Mary~
ReplyDeletePoint well-taken . . .
If the GOPhers were to cut $P off at the knees, how then will they entice her rabid following to "get with the program" in order to advance the R's agenda for the wealthiest American?
Perry/Barkmann?
PurpleAlaska
What a great post and to add to the mix, Palin had allegedly been awake for approximately 32 hours according to her own words in Going Rogue and emails sent. How many women who have given birth, without Pitocin, would do anything other than sleep after an "ordeal" as ridiculous a Palin described? Labor takes a lot out of you, especially the realization when you're handed a child who clearly has DS. No matter how much you try to prepare, you're never truly ready to have a special needs infant and I don't believe that any woman would simply go back "to work" a few hours after allegedly giving birth, even if work was only sending a few emails.
ReplyDeleteAnswering Conscious at Last: "But SP gets the surprise of her life because Bachmann spills the beans on babygate!"
ReplyDeleteI strongly suspect that some of the top tier Republican candidates -- Romney, maybe Pawlenty -- have decently sized oppo research files on the Palins. Some of it may be stuff they've gleaned from anti-Palin sites like this one. Some of it may be from people they've interviewed. The files are going to be thorough because they need to be; Romney and Pawlenty want to be President sooo bad that they can taste it, and they're not going to let Sarah Palin stand in their way. Fortunately for them, Palin is a walking ethical singularity.
If Trig isn't Sarah Palin's biological son, I think the odds are better than even that a few top people in the Romney campaign know -- and they likely know the whole story behind the birth, too.
The trouble with any candidate, like Romney or Bachmann, dropping the dirt on Palin publicly is that NO candidate is going to want to have that baggage around their neck in the primaries. Unfortunately, Palin does have a constituency, and no candidate is going to want to have the reputation of having been the one to drive Palin out of the campaign by revealing her Babygate scandal.
Much more likely, they would leak the information to a few friendly reporters, let the meme build up in the media, and then, when asked about it, they can respond to it and use it as a character attack on Palin. "She was dishonest with her own state over her supposed youngest child. What will she be dishonest with the American people about as President? Can we take that risk?"
I can see Palin continuing with her bus tour, because it lets her "play" at being a candidate and it lets her take in money like a candidate, but I can't see her taking the plunge, forming an exploratory committee, and then announcing a run from President. She incurs too many personal and political risks if she if she didn't birth Trig. The truth will come out, and it will sink her candidacy.
Birth photo's. Why don't they have any Todd could share? She wrote the letter from God, then talks about how each child got to hold and greet the newcomer. Wasn't someone snapping photo's of that? Of the "gift from God"? Of the mom who had the miracle pregnancy and birth? It makes no sense.
ReplyDeleteTruthseeker, Anon @ 10:03 - where did you see that Palin said she had her tubes tied after Piper? I know that a lot of people are suspicious she had her tubes tied, but I've never seen any confirmation of this. Not doubting you, just want to know the reference. Thanks.
ReplyDeleteRe: Palin's Two-bull,
ReplyDeletePosted by moms from Palin's car pooling group after Piper was born. Many details given...credible sounding post.
Help, please. This email was forwarded from Sarah's alaska.gov account to 2 aides at 10:23 am on April 18, 2008
ReplyDeletehttp://palinemail.msnbc.msn.com/palin2011/pdf/13765.pdf
Question is: if she sent this from the hospital bed using her blackberry, why doesn't it have the added tagline "sent from mt blackberry(TM) device from Cellular one". Does blackberry(TM) ALWAYS add the tagline?
If so, then where was the computer she used 4 hours after giving birth located?
WholyMary, my problem with your little game is that I think you're playing your own game, part of the orchestrated campaign to make sure the Quitter Queen knows better than to enter the Peerublican primary or, worse, mounts a 3rd party candidacy. If that is the game, by all means, party on. But spare us the "I'll give you hints" game, 'k? Either you know something or you don't; either you're willing to share or you're not.
ReplyDeleteTO Wholy Mary--
ReplyDeleteQuite honestly, you are disappointing me. Of course I (and most of us here) understand that there is a difference between the GOP and the Tea Party. Let's just say I've been around the block a few times.
Bachmann was at the GOP debate last night and apparently she dominated -- by announcing her candidacy and by answering questions in complete sentences. In fact, at this moment there are large Bachmann for President ads on Redstate.com's home page.
So we don't need you to explain the dynamics of GOP vs Teabaggers to us, we get it.
Also, too, it is evident to anyone that has been watching SP for the last few years that she is a grifter currently engaged in a CON called pretending to consider a run for office. She might actually have a pretend campaign, but it's all about $$$$$. There are also a variety of indications that SP is being prevented from actually running for POTUS by "under sea movements" of the real power brokers. So, you see Wholy Mary, we don't need you to tell us that either-- we already know it.
So if you have something really interesting to contribute here- out with it.
If you plan to "jerk our chains" well, you will not be terribly successful.
I became distrustful of you primarily when you tried to tell Gryphen how to run this blog.
"Anonymous at 2:40 PM said...
ReplyDelete@Anon 10:54 AM
You're right. The iv is usually placed on the top of the hand, and it's not typically taken out immediately after birth. It's usually kept in to continue the pit drip (to help reduce the size of the post-partem uterus) and also to replenish fluids lost from labor and delivery."
Aha! Does anyone think Sarah made up the Pitocin induced story just so she'd have a way to explain how she slimmed down so quickly post partum?
I remember when my sister gave birth her tummy was flabby for months.
BTW her labor must be a record for fast. I think her first came 45 min. after her water broke. The doctor didn't even have time to change. Her second wasn't that fast but I think it was about 90 min.
with all due respect to your commenter, I do not need to read this to know that the insane quitter did not give birth to any baby on april 18, 2008. the circumstantial evidence is overwhelming, and while I think it's great that there are new people involved in exposing the hoax, I am so weary that this continues to drag on and on. someone in the msm needs to step up to the fucking plate and get this shit over with.
ReplyDeleteThis visitor posted so very eloquently and convincingly what many others have tried to articulate, and failed at. Myself included.
ReplyDeleteThanks for giving this comment the attention it deserves. The devil is in the details, and so is the truth.
Not sure if this has been addressed before but beside Palin's massage during her "pregnancy", did anyone witness her drinking alcohol or doing anything else contraindicated during pregnancy, from any assiciates, waitresses, etc? My thoughts are that if this "plan" came about so quickly she was probably leading a nornmal nonpregnant life prior to faking it that there are likely more red flags.
ReplyDeleteJessie provides soem clues to the Tubal Ligagtion in a previous post:
ReplyDeletehttp://theimmoralminority.blogspot.com/2011/02/frank-baileys-manuscript-and-how-it.html
But it doesn't have the proof we would like to see... just anonymous comments allegedly from people lose to Sarah in Wasilla that car pooled with her kids around the time of Piper's birth.
These people claim to be afraid to go on the record. Too bad. You can't use anonymous sources to make this story "case closed".
"Someone needs to contact the hopsital and find out what their policy is for blackberry and cell phone use - there may be parts of the hospital our "outside" the hostpial where it is permitted - but I would be a week's paycheck that those devices are NOT allowed inside in the maternity ward - granted rules and laws for that matter do not apply to Palin - but when something can interfere with hospital equipment I'm sure the nurses would not have allowed a cell phone in maternity (other then to snap a photo or two - but not being on for calls)
ReplyDelete10:03 AM"
Great idea! Sounds like a plan! I nominate YOU, 10:03. You've got a phone, right?
"Anonymous said... Help, please. This email was forwarded from Sarah's alaska.gov account to 2 aides at 10:23 am on April 18, 2008
ReplyDeletehttp://palinemail.msnbc.msn.com/palin2011/pdf/13765.pdf
Question is: if she sent this from the hospital bed using her blackberry, why doesn't it have the added tagline "sent from mt blackberry(TM) device from Cellular one". Does blackberry(TM) ALWAYS add the tagline?
If so, then where was the computer she used 4 hours after giving birth located?
5:07 PM"
Looks like someone on Palin's staff back at the office, who monitored that webmail account, simply forwarded the webmail, sent through the State of AK web site, to Palin's own email account, because it was a fan email.
No way Palin herself ever monitored such email nor forwarded it to herself. Her minions did.
Totally OT re: SP's tubal:
ReplyDelete(This is NOT proof of anything, just an amusing anecdote.)
In 2008 during the run-up to the election, I ran into an old friend, and the conversation quickly turned to the candidates. She asked what I thought about SP, and I told my friend that she was going to think I was crazy, but I really thought SP faked the pregnancy.
My friend (who is very new age-y) responded, "Oh I KNOW she didn't have that baby ...my astrologer did SP's chart, and it said she had her tubes tied after the 4th baby!"
I am not into the new age stuff and simply answered, "Huh, interesting!" so I would not insult my friend. I didn't put much stock into it, and just took it as another example of my friend being her wonderfully eccentric self.
So I was SHOCKED recently when I saw the comments from the car pool moms "confirming" what the astrologer said.
Like I said, proof of nothing, but still an interesting coincidence IMO. ;)
Wholy mary says ...that could be Palin if Palin stood up to the plate. I'm saying definitively that she won't and if she does she's going to be cut off at the knees.
ReplyDelete"definitively that she won't" followed by "and if she does"
undercuts the "definitively".
What, in particular, are you trying to add to the speculation about a Palin run? She will/won't/can't/might/withdraw/tailspin speculation is pretty standard fare, do you have anything unique or interesting to add?
"Anonymous said...
ReplyDeleteNot sure if this has been addressed before but beside Palin's massage during her "pregnancy", did anyone witness her drinking alcohol or doing anything else contraindicated during pregnancy, from any assiciates, waitresses, etc? My thoughts are that if this "plan" came about so quickly she was probably leading a nornmal nonpregnant life prior to faking it that there are likely more red flags.
6:41 PM"
What is the point of asking questions like this? And I don't like the implication, as much as I don't like Sarah Palin. I don't like what you're implying for ALL pregnant women, who more and more by the insane Repug legislators in this country are being treated as if they are nothing more than fetus containers.
It's NOT illegal to have a drink while you're pregnant. Not yet anyway.
Wholy Mary, if you are contending that Sarah Palin saved herself from the certain political damage that would have been caused by an unwed daughter having had a baby by - oh, what's that? Presenting an unwed daughter who was expecting a baby to the entire world at the Republican National Convention?
ReplyDeleteRight. That did the trick on that one.
No, the thing she needed to save herself from was her own big pregnancy charade, the one she carried out in front of an Alaskan public, a public who had the right to believe she wasn't an aspiring actress, or rather a stone cold liar.
Giving the impression that her daughter was too far along to have also given birth to Trig, that was the agenda at play. And it worked.
I think the no cell phones in hospital argument is a non-starter.
ReplyDeleteWhether or not they are technically prohibited, they are so ubiquitous, the enforcement would be non-existent unless a nurse happened to be in the room and told you to shut it off and put it away (kind of like the flight attendants on a plane).
I'm not even sure if they still even have the rules like in the old days that you aren't supposed to use them because of supposed interference with equipment.
Pitocin is sooo rough. It makes contractions much more intense, a very uncomfortable thing since regular contractions are bad enough.
ReplyDeleteI think Sarah threw "I had to be induced!" lie in there because people were questioning how imminent Trig's alleged birth was when she finished her marathon day o' plane rides. This way she could say "SEE? He wasn't about to fall out on the tarmac! I had plenty of time...I even had to be induced when I got to Mat-Su!"
Unfortunately Sarah is too STUPID to realize that no MD at Mat-Su (especially one who didn't want a big ass lawsuit ending their medical career) would induce the birth of a special needs 35-weeker AT THAT LOCATION. Had Sarah been 35 weeks and leaking ANYTHING, she would have been life-flighted to the nearest hospital with a Level 3 NICU. A pH test would have identified the fluid (urine, bag of waters, or amniotic fluid), Sarah would have had her BP, O2 and heart rate checked, and fetal monitoring would have given a warning if Trig went into serious distress en route.
Not to mention, even if Trig DID have to be delivered on the day Sarah claims, at 35 weeks, he would likely have required a NICU stay for at least a week and probably more like 2-3 weeks, and he sure as hell wouldn't have been given the green light to go to work with her in a public building (with a bazillion germs) just 3 days after delivery.
The other possibility: If she was not dilated, no fluid was leaking, and an ultrasound and monitor showed plenty of fluid around baby and no fetal distress, the OB would probably have ordered IV drugs to **STOP** the contractions, and then put her ass on bed rest until Trig made it to 37 or 38 wks. By that gestational age an infant is more likely to be able to breathe on its own without needing supplemental oxygen.
Sarah has a problem which is typical of most narcissists. When telling a lie she makes shit up as she goes, embellishing her story with whatever jargon rattles into her empty mind: ringing bells...death panels... rapists...blood libel... inductions. It never occurs to her that someone with MORE knowledge about Paul Revere, or birthin' babies, or Jewish history, or ANY topic she's blathering about, will fact-check her and call her on her idiocy.
Surprise, Sarah!
Someone here or another blog recognized a black bag that comes with a commonly used breast pump. They identified the baby bottle with pale yellow top/nipple as also being part of the kit that comes with the breast pump. It was visible in the photo of someone feeding Trig on the bus during the campaign. Todd, Piper and ?Willow are also in the photo. Who on the bus/campaign trail was pumping breast milk??
ReplyDeleteDoes she look 5 months knocked up here to you?
ReplyDeleteAlaska Governor Sarah Palin poses for a portrait in her office December 6, 2007 in Anchorage, Alaska.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/sparkys_joint/5372703375/
How about this one where she is has her very very tight jacket against her very very flat stomach with her hands where a bump should be. Crazy lady smile makes the pic IMO.
http://www.gettyimages.ie/detail/82601791/Getty-Images-News
Portraits were taken by professional Getty Images. For the full 25 frames got to http://www.gettyimages.ie/ and type in DECEMBER 6: Alaska Governor Sarah Palin poses for a portrait in her office December 6, 2007 in Anchorage, Alaska.
I had a pit drip for one of my pregnancies. I also had an epidural, then too. Pitocin is painful and exhausting. It's the Energizer Bunny for contractions. My niece sat outside the L&D nursing station & watched the monitor I was hooked up to. She explained to me what I already knew: One contraction was beginning while another was peaking while another was ending. Re-read that & think about it. By the time my son was born I was worn out. So was he. It stressed him out too.
ReplyDeleteIf I hadn't gotten the epidural I'm not sure how I would have made it through that delivery because the constant state of contractions gave me no time to rest or catch my breath.
Why I'm writing here is something I haven't heard anyone discuss, and that's being able to urinate after giving birth.
The nurses kept me in recovery until I urinated. And because I had no urge to urinate, the nurses cathed me - much to my relief.
So when factoring in the time-line, you have to add this factor in.
The only thing I wanted to do was hold my baby. Nothing else in the world mattered. The next thing I wanted to do was rest. When it came time to make phone calls, I only called people to let them know about the birth & to brag about my little bundle of joy. I wasn't interested in anything else.
Gryphen, you should really do a post just simply showing Sarah at the Alaska State Museum event when she forgot to keep her coat closed, and her being interviewed by Gutsy just three weeks later.
ReplyDeleteMarch 26, 2008 [over 7 months pregnant, supposedly]:
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-pg7mFDev3jA/TapEH2WCU2I/AAAAAAAAAIM/J1xxJCx0m8E/s1600/Prof%2BScharlott%2B-%2BScreenshot%2Bpicture%2B26%2BMarch%2B2008.jpg
April 15, 2008 [now sporting a HUGE "stomach"]:
http://www.palindeception.com/blog/uploaded_images/palinpgapril-756322.jpg
I think the simplicity of seeing those two photos right after each other speaks volumes.
Also, I know you've done this before, but really seeing a woman 7 months pregnant posted next to that first pic is potent. I think people really need to be reminded what a 7 month pregnant belly should look like! It's easy to lose sight, because this is so crazy!
This is from two different posters:
ReplyDelete“The point of the story is that induction of labor is very risky even for a younger mother with a healthy baby . No doctor would have risked induction with Sarah, knowing her age and circumstances of the baby 's health.”
“No hospital without a NICU would have INDUCED LABOR!! No way, NO HOW! the pregnant woman would have been flown out with Dad hurrying along in a car to get to the NICU./former RN of 22 yrs”
Two interesting comments on inducing labor. So it seems to me it's unlikely that occurred, if it did, in that hospital. Then Sarah herself gets confused about the hospital name. It appears to be possible Trig was born in a different hospital, either by Sarah earlier in her pregnancy, or by another woman, then brought to Sarah at the smaller hospital. There are so many lies and inconsistencies, there is no way to tease out what really happened unless an independent investigation is conducted and someone goes out to these hospitals and starts questioning staff about procedures, and finding out where Trig was born. Follow the baby.
Sorry, but I don't think we'll get to the truth without it.
i think there is a bit of truth in the Willow- commenting- on -Down Syndrome -story. The older kids may have known that Sarah was going to take possesssion of Bristol's FAS baby, Willow may even have seen Bristol's infsnt in the NICU at some point. Then when bouncing baby Tri-G shows up, Willow calls bullshit on this being the same baby. Although, In Sarah Palin fantasyland, she co-opted Willow's wise little outrage with a blessed story of sisterly knowledge.
ReplyDeleteIMHO