Dear Govenor Palin,
Last year at the Juneau Health Fair , some nurses from Bartlett Beginnings at Bartlett Regional Hospital had a breastfeeding promotion table . We asked participants to share their thoughts about breastfeeding . You wrote , "I learned with 4 kids, the longer length of breastfeeding , the better . First baby 3 mon , Second baby 6 mon, 3rd baby 18 months, 4th baby 3 years."
We are making a PowerPoint slide show of many of comments , and want to include yours. We would like to quote you . i.e. add your name to your quote. Can we do that ? Many other quotes were wonderful too, but of course coming from the govenor , yours would be very powerful , and a great role model . Please consider letting as add your name to the PowerPoint slide.
Okay maybe I am not very up to date on what is considered the appropriate time to breast feed a child these days, but isn't three years a little long? No wonder Piper never leaves her side, bonding is one thing but come on!
And if Palin really felt that breastfeeding for three years was appropriate then how do we explain this.
I know what you are going to say, "But Gryphen they COULD be feeding Trig breast milk that Palin used a breast pump to express herself!"
Really? Does THIS look like a woman who was at that time breastfeeding a five month old infant?
What is that you are saying now? "But Gryphen there are other pictures of her taken on the campaign trail where her breasts look much fuller."
You are right, there are indeed. But we already know that Palin has the ability to make her smaller breasts appear large any time she chooses.
So clearly Sarah Palin was NOT breastfeeding little Trig during his infancy.
But why not?
Did she not care about him as much as she did her other children?
Was she just too busy as a VP candidate to take the time?
Or is it that she simply did NOT have any milk to provide, since she had not recently given birth?
Ladies, I await your input.
"Did she not care about him as much as she did her other children?
ReplyDeleteWas she just too busy as a VP candidate to take the time?
Or is it that she simply did NOT have any milk to provide, since she had not recently given birth?"
It could be any of those, or that his pediatrician had him on a special diet. She certainly was not breast-feeding him. My guess is because of your third suggestion. As far as caring about Trig, what she says and what she does seem to contrast. The way she behaved on April 17 and 18 show a person who is not interested in Baby Trig, as much as she claims otherwise.
I know it's something a lib'rul might say, but I thing Trig has outlived his usefulness.
ReplyDeleteI would say this argument is a non-starter.
ReplyDeleteOlder mothers often have trouble with their milk supply, so that could easily be her defense.
Theoretically, wouldn't she still be feeding Trig? Or have stopped very recently?
ReplyDeleteBy her own words, the longer the better. She says she breast fed her 4th child for three years.
Wouldn't she do the same for Trig? Shouldn't this have come up repeatedly while on her bus tour? Or on her TV series? Or on any of her many speaking engagements?
Funny, huh?
I'm sorry, but I just think it is gross and wildly inappropriate to breastfeed past 18 months. I only breastfed my first for about 4 months, the second for less than 2 months because he just wouldn't take to it well....bu then again he wouldn't take a bottle past 9 months, so he was fed formula from a sippy cup.
ReplyDeleteI found breastfeeding to be enormously tiring, and uncomfortable...I was engorged for months, in pain, and leaking the entire time. Enough milk came out of my boobs to feed a small third world country, I felt like a cow. Ugh.
I know many women find it the most rewarding experience of motherhood, and somehow their breasts stayed a normal size, but everyone is different. I just know I would never have gone back to work while still breastfeeding, much less go on the campaign trail.
But, we know SArah was never pregnant so the point is moot for her.
I breastfed 4 babies. The problem with your argument is that the breasts of a breastfeeding woman do exactly what you're saying they don't do - they do fluctuate in size as the milk comes in and then "goes out". This is especially when the baby is a newborn.
ReplyDeleteThat being said, I don't think that Palin was nursing Trig because I don't believe she gave birth to him, hence she would have no milk supply!
My point is that this argument is not going to take hold. Even if I did believe that Sarah Palin gave birth to Trig, I'd be completely willing to believe that she lied about breastfeeding him, because she lies like a rug!
And yes, it is pretty unusual to nurse a child for 3 years. The longest I went was one year, but to each her own!
I forgot to mention: Those are GREAT photos...
ReplyDeleteThis is what I've been saying from the very beginning. Forget about the bump-or-no-bump/scarf disguise issue. Where's the BOOBAGE!!!!!
ReplyDeleteShe doesn't have any before Trig's "born" and she doesn't have any immediately after. I have plenty of Flatsy-Patsy friends who nursed for close to a year because their husbands appreciated the new cleavage.
And the only women I know (and I was a lactation consultant) who nursed their children into the third year are Earth Mother-Hippie types. And that ain't Sarah Palin.
She breastfed Piper (baby #4) 3 years while she was mayor (2001 & 2002) and ran for Lt. Gov (2002)? Right.
ReplyDeleteSomewhat O/T: In her recent bus tour their was a reflection of Granny without a seat belt and Piper beside her, sucking her thumb. Isn't she nine years old?
ReplyDeleteDefinitely NOT breastfeeding. I went from a DD to an H cup - yes H - both times I was nursing a baby.
ReplyDeleteTrig was being fed breast milk, Gryphen, from Bristols breasts! It was pumped from her and given to Trig once he was able to take from a bottle. No one ever saw a breast pump near Sarah Palin.
ReplyDeleteIn Japan, many women breast feed 5-6 years.
ReplyDeleteSarah's door just closed for good:
ReplyDelete"Bachmann puts Campaign into Overdrive"
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3032619/ns/nightly_news/
Sarah will not get the coverage that she did any more. She has chosen not to participate so her followers will find a new star to follow and it won't be a north one. Her "movie" has already lost steam and it hasn't even been released, yet. It's coming off as just a half-baked piece of propaganda. Bristol's book is probably going to flop. The hype from the bus tour has waned (esp. Bristol's 2-day appearance) and it's not coming back. I wouldn't be surprised if Bristol's reality show gets pulled before it even gets started. We may not hear any more about it.
Yes, three years is sketchy. When a kid starts to walk and talk and can hold a tippie cup, then the breast feeding needs to stop. Another indication that scara is not playing with a full deck. Sure in some societies where food is scarce and formula is not available, then I can understand nursing that long, but NO, with this women, it is something NOT normal. Nursing Trig, yeah, right, didn't happen, even if she did give birth to the kid.
ReplyDeleteHard to know where to start. In her predictable efforts to portray herself as fertile, nurturing Traditional Woman, she - oops! - lets slip a peek into his narcissism: yes, it's individual and yes, these times vary, BUT there is much concensus that any is better than none, 6 months provides a solid set f benefits, 12 months ideal benefits, 24 months maximum given other developmental issues, and more calls into question both causal issues (maternal and child) and potential detrimental effects on the child.
ReplyDeleteShort version: 3 years of breastfeeding is too damn long. But this explains Piper's weird position as Sarah's little mirror image and psychological crutch.
And, yes, I breastfed my baby, 12 months, taking my signal from him when he (like so many) learned how to walk and had things to do, other places to be, thank you very much.
Three years????!!!! LIAR!
ReplyDeleteNursing for 3 years is actually quite normal for human beings, it's just that western culture doesn't generally find it acceptable. 3 years is usually when hunter gatherer women wean their children, ovulation starts back up and fertility returns. '
ReplyDeleteBecause of the availability of infant formula and the sexualization of the female breast, nursing for that long has become rare---even though it is good for mom and baby.
BUT--that is beside the point here. Once a woman has successfully breastfed her baby or babies, she is generally very motivated to do so with subsequent children. The effects of prolactin on women are amazingly addictive. You not only want to feed your baby, it is an innate, strong, powerful and compulsive need--which explains how some women can do it for 3 years or more. Also, as much as Palin has claimed to breast feed her other kids, she would have been a pro at it, even with a DS baby that might have a weak or disorganized suck. If he can suck a bottle he can suck a mother's nipple, especially if said mom is experienced.
So, do I think she didn't breastfeed Trig. Of course she didn't. Those pictures do not show a lactating mother. AT. ALL. At 5 months postpartum her breasts would still be mostly engorged with milk as he would not (should not) have been on very many solids at that young age. He was a robust looking baby. Robust babies eat a lot and their mom's boobies show that in volume.
She didn't breastfeed him IMO. Now, maybe she had breast surgery that didn't allow her to do so, but I seem to recall she SAID she breastfed him (lie?) OR...she didn't breastfeed him because she wasn't lactating because she HADN'T GIVEN BIRTH TO HIM.
I know what I think.
(I am certified lactation educator, LLL member and mom of 3 breastfed children)
Breast feeding can be difficult, and especially difficult w a child who can't latch. My 5-wk early preemie didn't latch and it too 1 1/2 of every 2 hours to feed her. 45 min to wake her, 45 min to feed her, and 30 min to sleep before starting the process again. It was my 1st and m milk never really came in. It was easier for my child to bottle feed, less sucking was required.
ReplyDeleteSince Pslin had successfully breast fed before she clearly wouldn't have had that problem, but no one should blame her for not wanting that punishing schedule. Assuming she'd given birth, which she didn't.
Ok, I am a mother of 4, and I breastfed each of my babies for a year. Besides the fact that I don't believe she fed Piper for 3 years, you don't need an expert to tell you there is no way that she was breastfeeding Trig (besides the fact that she did not birth him). Wasn't it a fact that she was subsisting on RedBull and practically no food during the campaign? One's breasts would immediately dry up on that kind of diet.
ReplyDeleteAlso, isn't that Ruffles in the photo?
For those of you who know that SP had a tubal, was this when she gave birth to Piper or sometime after?
I made the comment yesterday.
ReplyDeleteif you look at early pictures of Trig, he is being fed a bottle.
She could have been expressing milk and feeding him that in a bottle, but I don't think she breast fed him.
DS babies have a problem with poor tone and some have a very hard time feeding.
You would never give a baby(although with palin anything goes) a bottle what early if you were trying to breastfeed,it confuses them to try and go between the breast and a bottle.
I also remember them talking about Trig when he was over a year old that he still was getting a bottle because of trouble eating.
It is very unlikely that Sarah Palin breastfed Trig. Her schedule, her appearance and the notorious difficulty DS kids have with "latching on" given their low muscle tone and poor muscle control especially as an infant. Whether you believe that she gave birth to Trig (although earlier than she pretended), adopted her grandson, or acquired him to match her ambitions - what we know about Sarah, and narcissists like her, is that their motivation is self-serving and in the extreme. If she'd been breast feeding, she'd have wanted more "credit" for it. Moreover, I believe she would have a problem bonding with an unresponsive, imperfect and perhaps even difficult and/or rejecting infant during the early breastfeeding experience. And, let's not forget, she stays pretty much as far away from as she can since he's larger and less manageable than a large loaf of bread.
ReplyDeleteThis post really bothers me all the way around. It seems to cross the line in tenor. Trig might have trouble latching on, who knows. Who cares? Checking out her chest and trying to figure out whether Trig was breast fed or not is not going to get us any closer to revealing a dangerous truth about Sarah Palin.
ReplyDeleteAnd for the record, it is really good to breastfeed your child as long as three years. Most cultures breast feed far longer than ours. It's pretty normal everywhere but the USA.
ReplyDeleteSarah may have SAID she nursed Piper for three years, but I do not believe she actually did so.
ReplyDeleteThere has never been ONE anecdotal story about Mayor Palin having to excuse herself to nurse her baby girl. Never once! Babies nurse every 2-3 hours as newborns and still we've never heard about one occasion.
I think Palin was merely saying what she thought this woman wanted to hear.
Now Gryph, let's go to Breastfeeding School!
Age two is what WHO and AAP recommend as far as nursing. They actually say "at least" two years. In other industrialized, successful nations like Sweden or Italy...it is VERY common to see people nurse toddlers. It's just natural.
Of course in America where we have hideous inappropriate hang-ups about you-know-whats...it's less common. As soon as we get over our collective "OMG, there's a kid attached to that woman's s-e-x opening act!!!" issues...we too will have lower rates of SIDS, childhood obesity, ear infections, and too many other things to name.
My main point about breastfeeding insofar as it concerns Palin...is that I just don't see her putting in the time. She's lazy beyond belief or explanation, and especially in the first weeks after birth...you have to be committed to nursing like you're at war with the formula companies. It is SO HARD. There is usually a "wall" you hit in the first eight weeks, and if you can make it over that wall, you can probably nurse for as long as you want. But getting over that wall...ouch. It usually involves plugged ducts, mastitis, cracks and bleeding, and the kind of pain which literally takes your breath away when the baby latches.
Palin may have done a breastmilk/formula mix...but it's pretty much impossible for me to believe she nursed full time while Mayor of Wasilla.
It's DEFINITELY impossible that she nursed Trig...just based upon the schedule she kept on the campaign. She'd have been leaking through those 250k worth of clothes like nobody's business.
Not "maybe". DEFINITELY!
This is the linchpin of why Bristol is most likely candidate for TriG's bio mom- that insane, unrealistic, science-fiction novel looking bustline she sported at RNC. How else do you explain it, Gryphen? I'm not trying to bully you...I'm asking if you think there is any other plausible reason Bristol was padded like a roller derby girl?
Last thing- http://www.crivellawest.net/palin2011/pdf/16398.pdf
What do you guys suppose was redacted here? The asking if anyone wants to do something "in public" to get in front of the "lies" is very telling. Also...if you search the CWest database for "trig lies"...the first several results mention LIES...but not Trig. What gives? Redactions without noting them?
Whoa, don't go bashing extended nursing just because Sarah Palin sucks. I have a 12yo who was nursed for that amount of time and she isn't glued to me like Piper is to Sarah. Their issue is not the breastfeeding. ****back to lurking***
ReplyDeleteOh and if you could break this babygate thing I'd really appreciate it. It's really ruining my life that this isn't out in MSM. I'm freakin obessed. I check your blog daily along with the others lol.
If it comes from the breast area it IS breastfeeding! And Sarah the Blackberry handed working mom brings the kids' take out CrunchWrapSupremeBurritos home in her bra.
ReplyDelete"Why yes Katie, breastfed any of 'em, all of 'em".
wink.
I nursed both my children a year...they decided when to stop. Neither of them ever had a bottle. My first refused one, even with expressed milk, and I didn't even bother trying with the second. My breasts were engorged for 8 months. At five months with my first, I got an infection, which made that breast even larger briefly. Not fun.
ReplyDeleteI remember when they picked Sarah and the flurry of articles about her. I was interested to see a mom of five who was currently breastfeeding, on the national stage. Imagine my surprise when feeding the baby was never mentioned, and when I did see him being fed, it was with a bottle. She had a chance, had she really been breastfeeding, to become an advocate for this most healthy way of nurturing babies. Instead, she chose to ignore it, as she has since ignored the issues regarding educating special needs kids.
I must add that I was exhausted for those first months, both times. It is draining being the sole resource for food for an infant. You are on call 24 hours a day, seven days a week. I can't imagine the pressures of being a governor, raising four other kids, and having a Down newborn, and trying to nurse. It would be impossible...totally impossible (and THEN add to that a national campaign for three months, and a book tour, and on and on.)
I also doubt that she breastfed Piper for three years. Just sayin'.
OK Gryph, I have to admit I've known women who've breast fed kids nearly until kindergarten. Those moms looked it though. OK, yeah and I had one I thought would never stop but once he got the taste of hamburgers and ice cream (around 2) that was enough.
ReplyDeleteThere really is a subset of all-natural nursing mothers (and I guess I was a sort of member) that let the kids decide when it's time to stop. My other rather precocious child told me at age 13 months, "Nurtz iss yuk!"
Going to post a few email links here since it's the most recent post. Hope that's all right.
ReplyDeletehttp://www.crivellawest.net/palin2011/pdf/19282.pdf
Somewhere 'distracting'...? With Trig in a backpack? He'd be tiny at this point if born on 4/18. (I know he was not, this is just for argument's sake) Backpacks and joggers are for much older babies. Just saying.
Fantastic post Gryphen! Airtight, in my opinion. The photos do not lie, Sarah does.
ReplyDeleteps. I call bullshit on the Piper/three year claim. Yes, some moms nurse that long but SP? uh-uh.
I imagine you'll get several response to your comment about 3 years being too long to breastfeed.
ReplyDelete"You might be surprised to learn that the worldwide average length of breastfeeding each child is about 4 years. This is because many societies encourage children to continue breastfeeding until they wean themselves. http://parenting.families.com/blog/breastfeeding-how-long-is-too-long
Lucy
Why are ALL of Trig's early "appointments" at 4pm? This is the second or third email I've seen which is notifying the office staff of a 4pm appointment.
ReplyDeleteAnd WHY does Track's girlfriend need to be privy to such matters?
http://www.crivellawest.net/palin2011/pdf/20351.pdf
I breast fed my first kid for 2 years, my second one for 3 (after the first year, it's only a few times a day since they are eating so much solid food; the third year is really just night time and the occasional connection). Call me cynical, but I doubt Mrs. Todd Palin nursed Piper for that long.
ReplyDeleteBreast feeding does get easier after the first child because the mother has more experience, but you still have to contend with engorgement, the "let down" of milk at the usual feeding times (even when baby's not around) and when baby cries or sometimes even when your just thinking about the kid. And some infants have a really hard time breastfeeding so mom has to spend a lot of time working on it. Kids with Down syndrome are notoriously poor breastfeeders. And dedicated pumping takes a lot of time and effort (my sister does it). If you don't breast feed or pump regularly, your milk goes away.
No, she doesn't look like a lactating mother in those pics. The thing about Piper is very interesting. It takes quite a bit of dedication to nurse a child until 3. I wonder if it was just for a bedtime feeding. Even so, that's something if true.
ReplyDeleteWell, you have to remember, in March 2008 she wasn't pregnant yet. God hadn't written the letter yet that let her know about her DS preemie baby. So please be fair! [snurk]
ReplyDeleteThere is NO WAY to reduce your bust size while breastfeeding-I did it for 2 yrs with twins and 3 yrs with a singleton.
ReplyDeleteI gave a bottle to my son who has autism because refused to breastfeed once a bottle was introduced while I was in the hospital.
Most kids with disabilities have issues with touch or textures. I know we were told that downs/autistic kids need one or the other and consistency in care especially with nipple confusion (bottle/breast), most will do one but not both.
This woman is a total fraud.
i loved my breasts during my time of breastfeeding. it was the only time i got to enjoy having a real bosom!
ReplyDeleteot/ i still can't get over how everyone is accepting of the fact that rahrah leaked amniotic fluid all morning before she flew home to birth Trig. in my pregnancy, i leaked fluid all morning, and it was quite unpleasant. sticky, distracting. i constantly needed to shower, and i wore a big towel to catch the spill.
how did she do it?
http://www.crivellawest.net/palin2011/pdf/19364.pdf
ReplyDeleteWho is this "Roseanne" lady? I have never heard of her until the email dump.
Breastfeeding is extremely time-consuming. If you are pumping, even more so.
ReplyDeleteIt takes planning to pump. If you are feeding a baby, you don't feel comfortable away from the baby for any period of time.
http://www.crivellawest.net/palin2011/pdf/19365.pdf
ReplyDelete"gross"?
How prez uh din shull you sound, Sarah.
The World Health Organization recommends women breastfeed for at least two years.
ReplyDeleteThe American Medical Association recommends one year.
My kid totatlly weaned himself (no snacks from mom) just before the age of two. He refused all bottles after the age of one. Only sippy cups with cows milk.
When he was tired or sick, he wanted to nurse, but not much.
This is kinda OT, but I was watching a clip of the Daily Show this morning here: PMail and in it is a clip of Sarah wearing the black 'baby outfit' with her 'baby scarf.' Starts at about the 19 second mark. She's as skinny as a rail in it.
ReplyDeleteAnyone know when this bit of film was taken? I don't remember seeing it before...
My, my, Granny Grifter really inflates and deflates at will doesn't she? I've had three children, all breast fed. (1 year). When I was breast feeding, my breasts were HUGE and I would leak at the drop of a hat. In that infamous gotcha interview with Katie Couric, Palin looks flat as a board. Even if she wasn't breast feeding, her breasts would still be enlarged after only four months after giving birth. Also (too) there's no seeming weight gain in her face or body. We're not talking about a 23 year old here either. I don't care what type of super woman she claims to be, she's in her mid forties and you just don't bounce back that quickly, especially after having five (or four) kids.
ReplyDeleteAnd, might I add, she wouldn't have been able to hide a pregnancy for six months after four kids. When I had my last baby, people were asking me if I was due soon and I was only SIX months pregnant. (Alright he was a ten pounder, but still your body just pops out after several pregnancies).
Only idiots (otherwise knows as Palinbots), believe the grifter actually gave birth to Trig.
IMO, as a successful breastfeeding mom of 3, and I'm sure there are some moms who disagree, but 3 years is an unnecessary length of time to breastfeed a baby (toddler, child?).
ReplyDeleteThe APA recommends exclusively breastfeeding (or pumping to be fed in bottles) for at least the first 6 months of life.
Can I also add that because of breastfeeding, I didn't lose weight in my breasts (they were always full!), I lost 50 lbs post-baby weight by the time of my first 6 week check up. If she was breastfeeding, and she didn't gain that much weight to begin with with the pregnancy, then she would have most likely shrunk considerably, IMO. Also, just like SP, I increased the duration of time that I breastfed each child (first-6 weeks, 2nd-9 mos, 3rd-15 mos), so maybe she's still nursing him?
HAHAHAHAHAHA. I'm just kidding. But no, she is full of shit. No way she nursed Trig, because no way her body was producing the hormones necessary for lactation. Now, Busty Bristol, otoh, that's something we should talk about.
She IS a boob, she uses her fake boobs in her "act," but she sure didn't use them to nourish Trig(s).
ReplyDeleteHOWEVER, while we are on the topic of babygate and
SMOKING GUNS and COFFIN NAILS....
Here is a comment on Mercede Johnstons blog from almost 2 weeks ago where she threatens to get tough with the Palins:
Anonymous said...
Mercede, You know don't you that all these people don't give a damn about you. All they want is to convince you that they love and adore you so you will eventually tell the evil truth about how Palin had to fake Trig as her own in order to cover up for your naughty family.
Well don't tell them. And I don't have to tell you that because you aren't going to tell on your family anyway are you. It's just too sick a story to ever tell.
Love, Me.
June 3, 2011 9:31 AM
I think this is important and should be looked at more closely.
...."how Palin had to fake Trig as her own......"
I'm banging the drum here, because we need to know more about this.
I have no doubt that after four children Palins breasts look like two raw eggs hanging on a nail, But the length of time a child feeds varies greatly and sometimes its not just the feeding process but indeed a bonding issue, My Grandmother much to my Fathers embarrassment admitted that my Father breast fed off and on for 8 years, Grams died at 94 and my Father was so inconsolable that he died two years later and yes he was the consummate mamas boy, But as for Sarah not feeding Trig ?? If you don't have it you can't give it !!
ReplyDelete"Or is it that she simply did NOT have any milk to provide, since she had not recently given birth"?
ReplyDelete******ding,ding,ding,ding*******
BINGO!!!!!!!!!!!!!
30+ years ago I was a Doula, then a Midwife for a few years. I also taught "Home Oriented Maternity & Birthing" classes monthly for 6 yrs. and I was a member of La Leche League for 4 yrs. (I trained to be a leader w/them and held one meeting , then they "fired me" because I filed for divorce) I gave birth to 1 child 34 years ago, an uncomplicated home birth w/a Midwife in attendance, and breastfed my baby for a total of 3 years. The 1st 5 months he was 100% breastfed, then I began introducing "solid" food (homemade only) such as vegetables and fruits prepared w/o anything added in a baby food grinder. At 1 yr, he was only nursing 3x a day as he was getting more solids. By 2 years old, an AM & PM nursing, surely more for comfort than anything for "substance". Up until he was 3 yrs old, nursing was just an occasional event. He never took a pacifier, sucked his thumb or dragged a "blankie" around, so this infrequent "breast-feeding" I believe was his substitute for that. Now...before anyone judges me for "dragging out" my son's nursing at the breast for 3 years, please note that many Moms breastfeed to some degree up to 1 1/2-2 yrs. I actually met some women through La Leche who were "comfort-nursing" (as I like to call it) into their child's 5th & 6th years. (I won't judge, but my own opinion of this is that I would not carry it out THAT LONG personally) So 3 years, IMHO, although not common, is not as strange as you may think Gryphen. :)
ReplyDeleteBack to Palin....if she truly did breastfeed Piper until 3 yrs. of age, I believe it was probably in the same way I did. After the age of 1, it ends up being more of a comfort emotionally than a need, physically. Considering the family dynamics of the Palin's I am surprised Piper isn't "on the tit" to this day.
I am 100% certain Trig was not breastfed OR received breast MILK that was pumped from Sarah's body, as I know that Trig is not her natural born child. The truth WILL come out when some people associated with this particular child's birth & adoption are in a position not to lose their jobs, and/or they feel safe & secure in their homes due to this coverup.
The photos do not lie, she wasn't lactating. Now Bristol on the other hand was ENGORGED with milk, post-pregnancy BEFORE TRIPP was born. Yes, your breasts do swell in preparation for breastfeeding while you are pregnant, but Bristol was ENGORGED after Trig was "presented" to the public in March. If anyone was breastfeeding or pumping for Trig, it was Bristol.
I am posting w/o using my usual screen name, although I know Gryph can "see me", because of possible repercussions from the Flying Monkeys.
Bottles everywhere in pictures of this day. Why is Sarah using a bottle to feed him instead of giving Trig milk from the tap? (The pictures of the bottle here and when Piper, others have it the content is tannish like forumla not white like breast milk either.
ReplyDeletehttp://1.bp.blogspot.com/_vl82uG2c1XE/SLsjm0bg5dI/AAAAAAAABME/6Kslng9LadA/s1600-h/Palin+Sarah+feeding+Trig+at+People+Mag+shoot.bmp
In part one if someone else cares to find it you see Sarah personally filling that big baby bottle on the counter with TAP WATER and shaking it. By November Trig was not drinking breast milk.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xPyMy5vFutI&feature=related
4:12 AM
ReplyDeleteSorry, don't buy into "older mothers" as I was 40 with the twins and 42 with my singleton.
I BF for 5 yrs total.
Oh, boy, here we go.
ReplyDeleteOn the assumption that she did have Trig, I imagine that breastfeeding wouldn't have happened because of the crazy schedules and her time away from Trig. Plus, a woman has to be relaxed and eating a healthy diet to be able to provide good milk for her baby. I was told by nurses that if I was angry or upset or stressed, and breastfeeding, it would affect my baby. Sure enough, he'd get colicky and agitated.
According to McCain staffers, they were afraid she wasn't eating properly and drinking diet high-caffeine drinks. No woman can produce healthy milk with Atkins bars and such.
Also, with her schedule meeting hundreds of people, she would not want to take a chance at "leaking" through her clothes. I think in this case (vp campaign), it the practical thing to do. And, I doubt she expressed milk either, as she looked extremely thin and again, with the supposed one-bite of steak diet, it would have produced no healthy milk for the baby.
From Anon @ 4:14am: [I'm sorry, but I just think it is gross and wildly inappropriate to breastfeed past 18 months.]
ReplyDeleteThis woman then goes on to explain, basically, how uncomfortable her breast-feeding experiences were. Well, some women DO have difficulties, but to say "wildly inappropriate" to breastfeed past 18 months? Come on!! Who are YOU to judge because of YOUR attitude towards nursing your babies? Shame on you! I found breast-feeding to be the most rewarding part of giving birth. I DID have some of the USUAL NORMAL problems associated with learning this new "skill" at 1st, as MOST women do. I also had a TON of breast milk, so I contacted the local hospital with a NEONATAL unit and I was the (very) proud donor to a set of preemie triplets who thrived on my extra milk for 6 months. DO NOT JUDGE someone for how they raise their babies in regards to breastfeeding, whether it be for 3 months or 3 YEARS. I'm sure your children grew up fine, mine did as well, but that doesn't mean I am any more of a better Mother, or you are not because of our own breastfeeding timeline. Geesh!
You lactation experts may have had a different experience-- but mine was that I had to be committed (COMMITTED) to breastfeeding. I failed with my first child because I had so support or information (living in remote place with no information before the internet; thought breastfeeding was instinctual but it wasn't). With my second child, I made it a priority. Read up on it, canceled everything in my life after birth. It worked-- but what I read in my 1970's Feminist Child Birth book was that breastfeeding was a way to bond mother and child, to actually force a mother to make the child's survival her utmost responsibility by tying mother to baby's hunger schedule. This may sound old-fashioned to you Breast Pumpers and slaves of capitalism, but my commitment to my baby's needs changed my life. I focused on him entirely (and his big sister) for 3 mo.
ReplyDeleteI was 35. And for the first time in my life, another human being came absolutely first. ( Of course if I didnt feed often, I leaked like a faucet and once became so engorged my breasts became rock hard and burned like they were on fire.)
My point is, breastfeeding is about the baby. Yes, it was pleasureable and deeply rewarding, but at 2am or while you're cooking dinner, those things don't matter as much. Nothing SP has done regarding Trig has indicated he ever came first in her life.
My recent post quoting "Anon @ 4:14am is now re-posted with her real screen name "Virginia Voter". (just for reference)
ReplyDeleteI wrote about it yesterday, and even though it seems impossible - a woman who did not give birth can begin to lactate to feed a baby. Your body will produce milk when it realizes you mean to nourish a child. Wet nurses used in other countries and other countries did it all the time.
ReplyDeleteI am not defending Palin's breastfeeding record with her kids (although 3 months seems really, really short and 3 years seems really, really long. . .) but she did brag about nursing Trig in the Governor's office while conducting CEO'ing biz.
Her ever changing womb and breast sizes spoke the truth. She did not birth that baby.
"Or is it that she simply did NOT have any milk to provide, since she had not recently given birth?"
ReplyDeleteDo you know the commitment to pumping Sarah would have had to have to express enough milk to fill a bottle that full? Add her lack of sleep, not eating as her handlers have stated, drinking Diet Dr. Pepper, coffee all day long, none of that adds up to being able to fill one let alone several bottles a day.
And if Trig is drinking that much at one "Meal" he would need several of these bottles a day.
Also too as someone else mentioned, you never once see Sarah with milk stains from leaking anywhere which is a given at some point if you are nursing.
http://www.zimbio.com/pictures/ZKRaOBBv-55/Palin+Campaigns+Pittsburgh+Area/fR3Pw7ZfSM8/Trig+Palin
Thank you for your comments, Rural Juror. I agree completely. It is quite common for women in other parts of the world (including Europe) to breast feed their children for much longer than in the U.S. Breast feeding is far more than just "food." It's bonding, it's security, it's comfort, and many other things to a baby/child.
ReplyDeleteI nursed my daughter until she was 3 1/2 and loved every moment of that close experience. I was encouraged to do so (and to disregard what other people thought about it) by a European-educated nurse. My daughter is now a college graduate running a large health care facility and is a warm, loving, caring human being. She will be a wonderful mother when that time comes and plans to nurse her babies for longer than the American norm.
Gryffen, please don't disparage women who choose to nurse their children longer than is the custom here. Breast feeding is one of those areas in which many Americans still do not have a very mature perspective.
I don't for a minute believe that she breastfed any of her kids.
ReplyDeleteThey were buying formula for Trig in June or July - I saw it in one of the emails.
Ok, here is a gross factoid:
ReplyDeleteYour body will continue to make milk (some) after you have stopped nurseing.
I haven't nursed for six months. After a weekend of being with my child non-stop, I can tell you my right breast (his favorite while he was nursing) is super large and leaking milk. The left one is just a big larger, and if touched, will leak milk.
This really doesn't happen during the work week.
My kid is 26 months old.
Gryph, there are many things I fully agree with you on, but this is just not something that I am willing to impugn Palin on.
ReplyDeleteBreastfeeding is hard, and hard to do if you're working full time, eve if the baby is in your office with you. Not all babies latch well, especially babies with special needs. Doctors recommend breastfeeding for 6 months, which would be April to October. But they generally agree any breastfeeding is better than none, And so maybe Palin breastfed for 3 months and then was juggling 5 kids, governor duties, and potential vp role and decided to stop. If her kid is healthy, she did nothing lambastable.
This is a good way to rile up the feminists in your readership, because whether to breastfeed and how long is a really personal decision.
And look, I agree that she probably didnt birth Trig, but I just don't think you're going to prove it this way.
Is the baby in the photo Trig - or one of Bristol's numerous babies? Hard to tell with this crew.
ReplyDeleteNothing is better for a baby than breastmilk, so I don't buy the special diet. Trig might have had trouble suckling, many DS babies do, but a dedicated nurser would have been pumping the milk for him. Certainly the picture in the green sweater, and I know there are others, shows the breasts of a woman who is definitely NOT breastfeeding anything. Pants on fire as usual.
ReplyDeleteEmily Z,
ReplyDeleteYour argument would hold water IF Palin herself hadn't claimed she was breastfeeding. Again, pants on fire.
@ 5:27 AM
ReplyDeletehttp://www.crivellawest.net/palin2011/pdf/19364.pdf
Who is this "Roseanne" lady? I have never heard of her until the email dump.
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Your link isn't working for me but I found mention of Roseanne in this Rolling Stone post on the emails...
Palin's contempt for the "lame-stream media" inevitably found expression her emails. Responding to attacks on her family from Alaskan journalists in summer 2008, Palin wrote, "Guys, I may be pretty wimpy about this family stuff, but I feel like I’m at the breaking point with the hurtful gossip about my family that [Alaskan reporter] Sherry and others get away with." Roseanne Hughes, Palin's then-director of external communications, responded immediately and effusively: "Governor, do you know how loved you are? These four or five bitter people are so NOT representative. You are so, so loved. The enemy is trying to discourage you. Hang in there! You are doing such an awesome job. You are an amazing lady and the Lord is your defender. He knows the truth and He is going to vindicate you. It hurts my heart to hear these horrible people are bringing you down. We forgive them, Lord. Help theses [sic] people come to know You." [New York Times]
Rural Junior,
ReplyDelete"... women wean their children, ovulation starts back up and fertility returns. '
Please don't perpetuate the rumor that a female can't get pregnant while breastfeeding an infant. There are way too many babies born from ignorant women who believed that old wives' tale.
Anon @ 4:56 a.m. thanks for the schoolin on breastfeeding.
ReplyDeleteSee Palin is useful on some things. A lot of us are much more informed about DS gestation, birthing, surgical procedures and therapy than we'd ever expect to be having none in our families. Educatin Merica, our Sarah does. Only to have us call her out on her outlandish, overly-embellished lies.
Nursing can be beautiful, I loved it when it worked with my babies. But the parts they don't tell you about, when a freakin lactation nurse or consultant isn't around and you are trying to nurse your vulnerable and hungry little newborn and he/she won't latch. Your milk drops and your breast are as hard as rocks, aching for relief. Sometimes the milk will simply dribble or shoot out of you like a hole in a hose, hitting your baby up the nose and in the face (LOL.)
And when they do latch, you can experience chapping, plugged ducts, mastitis, cracks and bleeding, and the kind of pain which literally takes your breath away when the baby latches. I had to learn myself to use lanolin or a nursing chap stick on my nipples to prevent chapping. And when your nipples crack or are sore - you should have seen me crying and dreading the next nursing session - but I was determined, 1. I needed the relief and 2. I knew it was good for my son and daughter. When chap sticks wouldn't do, a nipple shield was useful to take the 'bite' out of the latch.
Palin may have done a breastmilk / formula mix, which is easier to do when you aren't producing enough to meet the need. It was a relief and something to forgive myself for when I was finally told that is what I could do. Pumping and freezing milk so the baby could use it when I was working was a godsend but a bitch to live and work with.
Nursing can be super easy for a lot of mom's, but there are some gross and extreme discomfort involved at one time or another. Even when you think you are a 'pro.' Which I don't think Sarah was, unless she got a kick out of whipping it out in front of male company.
There's a good photo somewhere of a postpartum Sarah in a kitchen at some family dinner - she looks as 'normal' with pregnancy weight, water retention and all sorts of unglamorous side-affects of carrying a baby.
Forget that photo of her on her deck with her mom where she is as big as a house - that photo of her post-Piper? is proof positive that no matter how much she would mind her image - she can't control her weight with a vulnerable, special needs baby. SHE WAS NOT PREGNANT WITH TRIG!
Anon 5:03 a.m. - yep to all of em and any of them.
ReplyDeleteJust to reiterate how IMPORTANT Trig is to the Sister Sarah myth, and probably why the MSM is being held back (financially or otherwise) in pursuing the truth, here's a quote from Cal Thomas:
ReplyDelete"In Palin's case, she and her husband have a Down syndrome child, which she refused to abort. Right there you have enough to offend pro-choice feminists, who treat abortion as a sacrament and appear to have no problem with eliminating the "defective," as was the case with their patron "saint," Planned Parenthood founder Margaret Sanger."
http://www.news-record.com/content/2011/06/14/article/cal_thomas_media_hit_bottom_with_palin_emails
Just heard the above quoted on the Stephanie Miller show.
She maybe used to be an advocate of breastfeeding but when Michele Obama promoted it as a means to control obesity SP finds it necessary to mock the First Lady and says, "no wonder Michelle O is telling everybody 'you'd better breastfeed your baby.' Yeah, you'd better because the price of milk is so high."
ReplyDeleteShe is disgusting.
Sarah never breastfed anyone because it is a time consuming and selfless act. End of story
ReplyDeleteCarrie
I remember breastfeeding my daughter and did so for about ten months. I felt like a milk cow, from my 5th month of pregnancy on I went from a 32 B cup to a 32 Double D ( try and find THAT size nursing bra!) I had to literally buy new nursing bras and my mom had to actually create ONE workable bra by sewing two together. I could not wear any of my own tops after my daughters birth and I doubt even after pumping myself dry that I ever got below a 32 D cup. After quitting nursing (boy did that hurt too!) I could barely hold our daughter, lift up my arms for two weeks>
ReplyDeleteThankfully my breasts did decrease to their normal size within the next month.
Sarah Palin never had the chest of a nursing mother and I doubt many women would disagree with me.
My period started 8 weeks after my child was born. I breastfed for 20 months. You CAN get pregnant while breastfeeding.
ReplyDeleteI have my aunt & my mom are just 10 months apart in age (my aunt was early). My grandmother thought she couldn't get pregnant while breastfeeding.
I have a friend whose kids are just 14 months apart. She thought she couldn't get pregnant while breastfeeding.
Let's not start a breast feeding war here. My kids got their first tooth before they were 5 months old, my younger daughter was walking before she was 10 months old. Both kids were holding and drinking water out of sippy cups as soon as they could sit up.
ReplyDeleteAs I mentioned in an earlier post, I breast fed them 2 and 3 years respectively. That means we stopped when first kid turned 2 and the second one turned 3. They are now happy, well-adjusted elementary school girls, just like so many other breast fed as well as bottle fed children.
I'm not a breast feeding nazi mom, I don't judge other people for their choices. Breast feeding can be difficult and painful and takes a lot of time, especially at the beginning. I do think there's a time after which breast feeding is inappropriate, but it's not after they are walking or have teeth or can ask for it. It's what works for mom AND child.
Peace.
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Re: milk stains.
ReplyDeleteI good bra would prevent that. I only "stained" at the very, very beginning of nursing.
I breastfed my first child for three years. But I was hardly her main food supply, it's something we did at bedtime, a time of cuddling and relaxing that was very hard for her to give up. The second weaned himself at 10 months.
ReplyDeleteThe fact is, breastfeeding is healthier for the mother and the child. It not only helps the mother lose weight but also helps protect against cancer, and the longer you breast feed, the better. But at five months, an infant is still feeding regularly, which means the breasts swell and get hard and leak after a few hours. There is no way that woman was on the campaign trail and still breastfeeding. There's nothing wrong with that, it's understandable, but why lie?
I can't get over the side by side boob photos!!
ReplyDeleteFlat chested one day, D cups the next!! Or does she have implants now?? I remember she once made a comment about a difficult meeting she was going to go to when she was governor. She said something like "I'm going to put on my push up bra tonight! " That was the gist of it. Maybe someone else remembers the exact quote. It showed she clearly thought putting on the boobs would help her convince someone of something. THIS is why women can't stand Sarah. It isn't jealousy or because she is female. It's because she sets the womens rights movement back a few decades. She uses sex and other women have fought hard to try to have an equal playing field on the job.
The whole changing boob size is another example Of how this sick backwards redneck thinks and operates. She is batshit crazy, to put it mildly. A con artist and a master manipulator and these silly conservative women think she is amazing! Is that the best you have morans!?!? From all the conservative women to choose from. We aren't jealous of Sarah. We are mortified and embarrassed that you hold this dinwit person up on a pedestal. Blchhhh!!
I'm going for door number3. No way Palin breast fed any of the Trigs. Doubt she breast feed any of those houligans. I was at a party once & a three year old went over to her her mother & whipped out her boob & began nursing... many of us were more than a little grossed out.
ReplyDeleteAnon 4:46 hit the nail on the head. If a mother is not eating adequate amounts of food and drinking quantities of water she will not produce milk to sustain the infant.
ReplyDeleteGryphen, PLEASE, PLEASE look into what Anonymous 5:12 said!! Why would Track's gf be on the email about Trig's appointments? Did Britta work for the governor? Were there any other emails that involved Britta? Is Britta Trig's birth mom? It's a GREAT question, and I think it does need to be addressed. I've long thought that the baby must be Bristol's, but maybe there is more that we haven't looked at?
ReplyDeleteI am positive that kid is not Sarah's, and I'd love to squash it once and for all! Where is Mercede btw? I thought we were going to be hearing new things from her....
Is that Tina Fey with Katie Couric? Wow, what a change Sarah has made! Doesn't even look like that anymore. What did she do, have plastic surgery of something?
ReplyDeleteWho is the woman in the white sweater bottle feeding Trig in the first picture?
ReplyDeleteRe: my comment about older mothers sometimes having production problems...
ReplyDeletea) I wasn't saying that ALL older mothers do (hell, some YOUNG mothers have problems)
b) My point was there are too many ways Palin can wriggle out of this argument, so it's not a really effective one.
She did make references to pumping - many mothers I personally know who have had production problems pump regularly in order to make the most of what little they have. One is only 24, her first son is almost 2 months old - and she already has to supplement with formula because of a lack of production. Her breasts, which were small to begin with (she is petite and of Chinese descent) do not look noticeably larger - again, due to her milk production problem. But she still pumps regularly because she wants to provide him with whatever she can.
Sorry for the disjointed sound of this - anyway, my point is that the size of Palin's bust is a moot point in this discussion, because there are simply so many ways to get around this argument.
I don't believe Trig is hers, but I also believe that this is not an effective argument.
Why does this woman have to inflate her chest? She looks much better, if one has to choose, with the flat chest wearing the green sweater.
ReplyDeleteShe obviously didn't breast feed. I mean, come on, she wasn't even pregnant.
I think for those trying to figure out who was pumping breast milk on the McCain bus it was as likely to have been John - he was about as pregnant as Sarah was.
Hint: it's called role playing. If you have alot of money and you don't want to be exposed as a fraud you buy all of the expensive equipment and then fool people by putting formula in the expensive bottles. Nobody is the wiser. There was an email asking what kind of formula to buy.
I don't believe a thing that comes out of her mouth. And certainly
ReplyDeletedoubt any of her kids got anything but bottles of formula. She gloms onto
& makes it 'her own,' whatever she thinks will enhance her credibility as a female. Toting around a breast pump she makes sure people see, wearing 'enhanced bras' (I doubt she ever had surgery) a talking in that
Marilyn Monroe voice is all part of her fake mystique. Just my opinion, anyway.
Sharon TN
The "push-up bra" comment was when she was Mayor, I believe.
ReplyDeleteIsn't breastfeeding as long as 3 years supposed to be a considerable drain on Mom's body chemistry, unless she's drinking huge amounts of milk and preparing nutrition-packed meals (when she's not nursing the toddler; preferably not using processed foods like Hamburger Helper)?
ReplyDeleteFor a woman who's nursed 4 children for the amounts of time Palin said, you'd think she'd be toothless by now.
My mom had 4 kids too in the '40s and '50s (no processed foods except Velveeta, everything else from scratch, and we all ate well), nursed each of us, and lost ALL her teeth by age 50 from calcium depletion.
Considering the not-so-nutritious meals we've seen in the Palin kitchen and what Levi Johnston mentioned -- Crunchwrap Supremes, steaks on the BBQ, mooseburgers, moose chili, moose hot dogs, Velveeta, buns, Baileys, Red Bull, diet Dr. Pepper, and cake (one with a face in it) -- it's a wonder Sarah Palin still has her own teeth.
Or does she? Maybe my story above is why her teeth look so different from a few years ago.
re: wakeUpAmerica said...
ReplyDeleteRural Junior,
"... women wean their children, ovulation starts back up and fertility returns. '
Please don't perpetuate the rumor that a female can't get pregnant while breastfeeding an infant. There are way too many babies born from ignorant women who believed that old wives' tale.
Wake up America: Please be aware that my entire quote is actually, "3 years is usually when HUNTER GATHERER women wean their children, ovulation starts back up and fertility returns."
Hunter gatherers are who I was referring to in this context of returned fertility. Their caloric intake is much less than western women, which also suppresses their ovulation in concert with lactation. This is common knowledge to physical anthropologists-but probably not to many lay people.
I can see how this could be misunderstood and I was not implying that western women cannot get pregnant while breastfeeding. I am walking proof of that with my last 2 kids!
Anon @5:05 AM, that July 02, 2008 email at http://www.crivellawest.net/palin2011/pdf/19282.pdf could easily have been a response to initial feelers from Runners World to Palin -- the issue came out about a year later.
ReplyDeleteI remember when that issue did come out, some of us were remarking that neither the jogger nor her running shoes looked the least bit worn.
No, Gryphen, she wasn't breastfeeding. She didn't pump milk for his bottles. She didn't give birth to him. Mother of 7, calling bullshit on her.
ReplyDeletePossibly off topic: what happened to the squirrely plan her prayer-bots had where they were going to pray away that extra chromosome for TriG? It was publicized very briefly on Palingates, then disappeared immediately. They were going to get him "healed" on one of his birthdays, can't remember if it was the first or second. I figured it was a big smokescreen, and $arah was planning to change out her TriG-prop for one that was easier to handle
Wait a minute, this email was from 2008? Why no mention of baby #5 at all in her response? It's those little things that are so telling, isn't it?
ReplyDelete- AnneOnn
http://www1.pictures.gi.zimbio.com/Bristol+Palin+Piper+Palin+2008+Republican+tPL7ZjxPN5wl.jpg
ReplyDeleteTalk about shape-shifting breasts!
I'm going to try not to go on a rant here, but breastfeeding for three years, and longer, is what some children (and mothers) are meant to do.
ReplyDeleteWhen a child is breastfeeding, it doesn't happen all throughout the day as it does for an infant, and it isn't "gross" because mother and child have had this bond all along, and they adapt to the child's growth and social development, i.e., it isn't happening all over the place, all the time.
Unfortunately, disparaging comments about breastfeeding mothers and children make it less likely that children will get the nourishment they need. This comment is in no way a support for Paylin. I hate her as much as the next person.
4:12, I had my first and only child at 40 and my milk was plentiful. Also, prior to that pregnancy, I was a B cup. I'm now, 8 years later, still a DD. What happened to sarah? I'm not buying her bull.
ReplyDeleteThis woman reminds me of a boss I used to have. He would lie about EVERYTHING. It didn't matter what it was - he would lie about it. It seems that Scarah has lied so often, that she no longer knows what it's like to be truthful.
ReplyDeleteThat said, it appears, Gryphen, that you are definitely in touch with your feminine side here. Good job, tho. This is just one more thing to add to the huge amount of proof that Ms. Wasilla did not give birth to Trig. So who did?
And speaking of boobs, what was with Bristol's boobs that day when McCain sic'ed Palin on the lower 48?
4:56AM ...you have to be committed to nursing like you're at war with the formula companies. It is SO HARD...
ReplyDeleteYAY, sister! This is SO true.
@ KaJo, thanks improved nutrition and knowledge about things like calcium depletion, modern mothers can nurse much longer without experiencing the same kinds of side effects that women of your mother's generation experienced.
ReplyDeleteMy cousin nursed her daughter for almost 2 years, no ill effects.
4:15, milk may come and go, but a nursing mom doesn't flatten out completely as Sarah appears to be. Heck, Katie's got more cleavage.
ReplyDelete4:46, Bingo! How can Sarah have been breastfeeding when the campaign can attest to her coffee and Redbull only diet? Didn't they say they wanted to bring in a doctor to examine her? With no real food, she could not produce milk. If she lied about that, then what else did she lie about?
ReplyDeleteWho can attest to Sarah breastfeeding Piper til age 3?
Breasts do change in size depending on feeding schedules but not THAT much!!
ReplyDeleteMy breasts were huge when I breastfed, had to go to an F cup, so much for Palin breastfeedig Trig! Small breasted women can breastfeed, but their breasts will swell up some with milk. plus, I was leaking all the time at work. I pumped at night and it took me awhile to dry up after I quit nursing, but she has no signs of anything like that. She's not Trig's mother and I wish that someone who knows the truth would just let it all out! Three years is too long to breastfeed, but a lot of "dominionist" women will do that. I was in the fundie churches and was stunned when my baby was newborn and I went into the nursing mother's room at church and in came a woman with a 5 year old girl to breastfeed, saying she needed to "feed her baby." I was shocked. But, that is a mother who won't let her child grow up, wants to keep them a baby forever. Probably did that with Piper because she knew Piper was her last child, after all she'd had a tubal!
ReplyDeleteBest line about breastfeeding: "OMG, there's a kid attached to that woman's s-e-x opening act!!!"
ReplyDeleteI bf two of my three children almost three years. Very natural and good for children, we do have puritanical and other hangups. I was actually impressed that Palin said that about nursing for 3 years, and hate that it almost softened my opinion of her a bit. I would prefer to continue to hate her, but people are just more complicated for that. It still doesn't qualify her for presidency. Also, it's hard to think that she thought that much about the care of young children (because you can see the flax extended nursers get, it's not an "easy" thing to do in our society) and then got on a plane with broken water thoughtlessly.
It does explain the close bond Palin has with Piper, in a good way. Though, that child misses too much school.
KaJo, I have dozens of friends (LLL and attachment parent groups) who have nursed for several years in a row (myself included) and we all have our teeth. Weak argument that stretches a bit far.
ReplyDeleteGryph, I think you need to have a more open mind on this one!I breastfed my baby for two years and would have done so longer if I wasn't concerned about getting (even more) comments criticizing me for breastfeeding him too long. Sadly, mostly from my own family, except for my dear husband.
ReplyDeleteAlso, in the later years of breastfeeding the breasts are not engorged or large, and you still lose or gain size with weight gain or loss.
ReplyDeleteAs for Trig, babies with DS often have low muscle tone, which can make it difficult to suckle a breast (which takes more muscle coordination than a free flowing bottle). That said, it is highly unlikely she bf him during the campaign. You do have to be available to bf, especially in the first few months.
According to that email she doubled the amount of time she breast fed each child. So will she nurse Trig until he is 6? Hmmmm...
ReplyDeleteAnon @5:12 AM,
ReplyDeleteit's interesting that the "Sched" email at http://www.crivellawest.net/palin2011/pdf/20351.pdf sets up Trig appointments for mid September 2008 -- when Palin AND Trig were on the campaign trail.
I don't believe for a minute that on August 13, 2008, she didn't have any inkling at all that she and Trig would be out of town.
Because there's this:
http://www.crivellawest.net/palinAll/pdf/12953.pdf "Sun Mar 16 08:24 :29 2008 Pls add yesterday: Sen John McCain presentation at gop convention 1pm." She was there.
Re: other "sched" emails...
http://www.crivellawest.net/palinAll/pdf/18507.pdf "Thursday, September 06, 2007 3:12 PM Pls note sched tomorrow nite High School Girls Football game."
Interesting...I've seen some Palinbots suggest from this email that Bristol was playing, and could NOT have been pregnant!!! Of course she could have; the "Christmas" pictures 9/14/07 showed a barely blooming tummy.
http://www.crivellawest.net/palinAll/pdf/13450.pdf "9:15 tuesday april 29 appt in wasilla." Vague...not necessarily Trig.
http://www.crivellawest.net/palinAll/pdf/16176.pdf "July 1 noon appt in Anchorage" Vague...not necessarily Trig.
http://www.crivellawest.net/palinAll/pdf/20288.pdf "Friday, August 08, 2008 8:24 PM Trig Appt 9am wednesday. For sched."
Lastly, this one is interesting:
http://www.crivellawest.net/palinAll/pdf/20440.pdf "Saturday, August 16 , 2008 7:31 AM J- it's looking like I (finally!) don't need to be on official duty tomorrow- I'll just
get personal stuff done at the wasilla house and maybe finally get Trig dedicated at our church service tomorrow. So...you can note that on TA/sched.
Also, do u remember what time that Juneau Birth Center grand opening is today? and where?
Just a sidenote: a) I don't believe for ONE minute that she breastfed Piper that long, and b) Maybe she ended it too early - that's why we see Piper still with a pacifier in her mouth as well as sucking her thumb. (THAT with being 9 and 10 y/o! Something very wrong, very insecure with that kid ... guess why!)
ReplyDeleteIf Palin said she did it, then she didn't do it. It's as simple as that. The woman lies about everything.
ReplyDelete6:12, your comment is obviously intended to muddy the waters.
ReplyDeleteAnyone who reads the post can see that the point gryphen made is NOT that sarah is a bad mother because she obviously didn't breastfeed. It's that sarah is a LIAR for claiming to have breastfeed, when, clearly, she did not.
What else did she lie about?
I don't believe Sarah ever breast fed Trig period. Also I've seen pics of Piper at like 7 years old with a pacifier in her mouth! Sarah will never be mother of the year.
ReplyDeleteTina Fey, where are you? We have a GREAT script for you to do as a guest opener to SNL next fall!! It's already written, all you have to do is reenact Sarah's pregnancy/delivery (it doesn't even need much condensing). Here's a possible scenario:
ReplyDeleteTF as Piper, back-to-school... working on a "how you spent your summer vacation" project. Since Stephen Colbert already reenacted Sarah's Paul Revere's Ride account, she needs to come up with something else. It occurs to her that, ever since the emails were released, they have been working on rewriting Sarah's "Going Rogue" account of Trig's birth to include urgent state emails and bills that can't wait to be signed and have turned it into some ultimate bring-your-kid-to-work extreme experience. There was also a mail delivery from GOD. Talk about your psycho babble.
Or she could be a mom in labor who asks to call in sick for work the next day and her hubbie says "What do you mean you need a day off from work?"
I am a wasilla resident have been for 33 yrs Sarah does NOT have naturally large breast.. they are as your photo on left shows. I have ran into her on occasion around town over the years. heard second hand very unflattering things about her so I always snubbed her.
ReplyDeletethis was before she was gov. But her DS child would have benefited from breast feeding studies show it raises a child's IQ. some women with small breast have trouble with breast feeding, so I have been told?
I read somewhere (can't remember now) that Sarah went on and on about breastfeeding. Was that with Piper or Trig? if she didn't claim to breastfeed Trig, then this is a moot point (no matter which side of the did-she-or-didn't-she-give-birth argument you're on).
ReplyDeleteI don't have time right now to check the photos, but someone wrote on Laura Novak's blog (I believe) that Trig was photographed drinking from Medela bottles. It's reasonable to conclude that a baby would drink from a Medela bottle is if he/she is drinking pumped milk. So either they were using Medela bottles for regular formula or someone was pumping for that little sweetie.
Oh, and Gryphen...it's a very American thing to be grossed out by toddlers nursing. However, it's very common in other parts of the world.
Palin cracks me up! She brings out her 'big girl' bra for certain occasions but truly is pretty flat chested otherwise.
ReplyDeleteShe truly reminds me of high school days (once again) when some of the gals stuffed their bras w/Kleenex...
She's such a damned idiot I cannot believe it. Photos show her w/no boobs more than they reflect her w/boobs over the past years. What a friggin farce you are sister Sarah!!!
Regarding those who believe the eldest daughter was expressing milk, the link below has two pictures. Scroll down to the one of Bristel in the brown jacket zipped up. That picture was in the Alaska Report dated July 19, 2008. The group photo in the blue jacket was a few days later. Less than six weeks later, Bristel was stuffed.
ReplyDeletehttp://palindeception.blogspot.com/2009/08/cornerstone-part-2.html
Also, there was an email dated July 29, 2008, where Erika was going to the store and had formula (orange container) on her list.
Another email dated September 6, 2007, was talking about going to Bristel's powder puff football game the next night. So, I can't say I'm sure Bristel is the mother of Trig. But I am sure that Scarah is not the mother.
Keep up the good work, Gryphen.
Why would anyone believe that she breast feed ANY of her children for ANY length of time? I don't.
ReplyDeleteAs for Trig - it is hard to lactate if you have not been pregnant.
She went on and one about breastfeeding so that men would look at her breasts.
ReplyDeleteThat is all.
Thanks you, and good-night.
So hard to keep nursing. My boos (a woman) kept asking me when I would stop. No use arguing with her that a nursed kid has fewer sick days than a non nursed kid. He never got an earache until he started solid food.
ReplyDeleteMy mother told me not to do it--said it would be too hard on me. Well, she was right, it was hard on me, but so much better for the baby.
You have to be selfless and self assured to breastfeed today. Sarah is neither. Too thin-skinned to be considered self-assured. A definitly selfish.
So hard to keep nursing. My boos (a woman) kept asking me when I would stop. No use arguing with her that a nursed kid has fewer sick days than a non nursed kid. He never got an earache until he started solid food.
ReplyDeleteMy mother told me not to do it--said it would be too hard on me. Well, she was right, it was hard on me, but so much better for the baby.
You have to be selfless and self assured to breastfeed today. Sarah is neither. Too thin-skinned to be considered self-assured. A definitly selfish.
I had 4 children. I looked like a gurnsey cow with each child. The only time in my life I actually had breasts. *sigh*
ReplyDeleteWhile it took 10 weeks to become a successful nursing pair with my firstborn, with lots of coaching from my local La Leche League we finally made it work. I nursed both children for several years. Most of my friends with babies were also comfortable with nursing toddlers, so it wasn't an issue. A baby has bonding and sucking needs that aren't always satisfied by sticking a bottle in its mouth. My kids never sucked thumbs, or got addicted to pacifiers. And for the mother, the continual raised levels of prolactin, the bonding hormone really do make a difference.
ReplyDeleteI found Norma J Bumgarner's Mothering Your Nursing Toddler to be an excellent resource.
http://www.amazon.com/Mothering-Nursing-Toddler-Norma-Bumgarner/dp/0912500522
I don't any visual or circumstantial evidence that Sarah was nursing Trig, and I don't ever see her putting her child first above her own selfish needs. While her personality as a mother may have been different years ago, it's simply not credible that the Sarah we see today was and is going to be there for her vulnerable baby at the time when he needs it most.
BTW: That baby in the top picture being bottle-fed seems to be 'Ruffles' - and he/she is wearing glasses! You can see that if you 'blow up' the picture...
ReplyDeleteSarah did feed Piper formula. I'm not saying she didn't nurse at ALL...but when she brought Piper to WBC nursery on the occasional Sunday, she would bring a diaper bag with enfamil lipil DHA/ARA to mix for the baby. I remember it because it was the same brand of formula I used, and I had reminded myself to tell Sarah about a good coupon I found for it.
ReplyDeletePiper was small, no teeth yet...maybe 3-5 months. If she supplemented with formula that early, it's not at all likely she nursed for three years.
Also, at the time WBC had what we called a "nursing mother's room" since so many people were having babies. Really it was just an empty Sunday school room but my point is...if she had wanted to nurse instead of having the nursery give a formula bottle...the opportunity was definitely there.
Sarah was very loving and tender with Piper. I remember Piper's big toothless gummy smile lit up like a Christmas tree when Sarah picked her up from the nursery.
It made me all the more sad when I saw no maternal commotion at all between Sarah and Trig. I don't know how you can go from obviously delighting in one baby, projecting pride and utter joy to all who see you with the child...to the cold, distant disregard shown to poor Trig. Even if you didn't birth the child.
I recall reading stories of rural farm workers where mother and children work in the fields. Lunchtime: the mother breast feeds the child. Then the child walks away, sits down and lights up a cigar for dessert!
ReplyDeleteGryphen,
ReplyDeleteA few of the ladies on this thread brought up a very important point. To breast feed successfully you must eat eat and eat some more. And I mean a completely balanced diet, fruits, veggies, protein, carbs, you must intake a HUGE amount of calories to provide sustinance for the baby and yourself. Caffiene is a huge NO no, whatever you eat is what thye baby eats. No coffee, no colas, no caffinated teas at all to do it right.
Sarah and her coffee coffee red bull red bull coffee diet could not have supplied a good milk supply.
Well, it will be said that he will have had latching troubles so she had to pump. But being on the road made the pumping too time consuming so she had to go to formula, BLAH BLAH BLAH.....
ReplyDeleteAs for length of breastfeeding, I suppose that's a personal thing, but had I decided to go longer than the 6 months I did go with my children, I probably would have stopped at the point that they could demand verbally or walk over to me and start poking or pulling at me (which I have seen children do in public- eww) to be fed at my breast. That would just creep me out for some reason.
ReplyDeleteThx EmilyZ (HTHoney?), I don't have any personal experience, being childless myself, just what I know my mother experienced. Your comment makes sense.
ReplyDeleteAnd Anon @8:31 AM, no need for the "weak argument" argument. EmilyZ said it so much nicer.
Well, having a seriously disabled child myself, lots of kids with disabilities have trouble latching on to nurse. And if "mom" is working & doesn't have time to really work on it with the baby, it won't get better.
ReplyDeleteThat said, no, I don't think this is why Sarah wasn't nursing Trig. But that will certainly not be any kind of "proof" about the faked pregnancy--there are too many personal reasons someone might choose to not nurse a child for long.
QUOTE [KaJo said...
ReplyDeleteIsn't breastfeeding as long as 3 years supposed to be a considerable drain on Mom's body chemistry, unless she's drinking huge amounts of milk and preparing nutrition-packed meals (when she's not nursing the toddler; preferably not using processed foods like Hamburger Helper)?
For a woman who's nursed 4 children for the amounts of time Palin said, you'd think she'd be toothless by now.
My mom had 4 kids too in the '40s and '50s (no processed foods except Velveeta, everything else from scratch, and we all ate well), nursed each of us, and lost ALL her teeth by age 50 from calcium depletion.
Considering the not-so-nutritious meals we've seen in the Palin kitchen and what Levi Johnston mentioned -- Crunchwrap Supremes, steaks on the BBQ, mooseburgers, moose chili, moose hot dogs, Velveeta, buns, Baileys, Red Bull, diet Dr. Pepper, and cake (one with a face in it) -- it's a wonder Sarah Palin still has her own teeth.
Or does she? Maybe my story above is why her teeth look so different from a few years ago.]
oh my...KaJo. I'm sure your Mom losing her teeth had absolutely nothing to do with BREASTFEEDING. I am the ONLY one in my family (and the youngest at 52) that has NOT lost their teeth, and I breastfed 3 yrs. Old wive's tales my dear. Think poor nutrition first and foremost.
Yes indeed, if you eat CRAP (i.e., fast food, processed food, soda pop, etc) you will not produce well as far as breastfeeding. Common sense kids. I grew up w/o a fast food diet, as kids we weren't even allowed to have sugary drinks unless it was someone's birthday party. (1 pop per kid!) To also refer to "boob size" being too small, from someone else's comment, and not being able to produce breast milk, size has NOTHING to do with it. I was a totally flat-chested 32AAA (!) before, and ballooned into a Jane Russell-esque 34F (that was over-flowing) while breastfeeding. Everyone is different. BREASTFEEDING IS NORMAL! The USA is the only place on Earth that seems to have problems with it. Go figure.
@ KaJo,
ReplyDeleteYep, that's me. I've been on the ridiculous Palin rollercoaster for a looooong time.
At some point it stopped showing me as headtrip_honey and started showing my Google nickname. Whatev!
There's a reason the gods give kids teeth. That's your signal that the kid is ready for solids. Three years? That's just inappropriate. That's not Piper's needs, that's Sarah's.
ReplyDeletedmoreno56, you are pretty confused. Breastfeeding is about nutrition and bonding. In many countries, it is safer to breastfeed a child. In the U.S. it's a private choice after nutrition concerns. Which means breastfed for the first year, breastfed exclusively for 6 months. Go argue with the American Pediatric Association if you don't agree. Exceptions are for the mothers health, or if a condition affects breast milk. Those who claim to have "too much milk" should consider donating to breastmilk banks.
ReplyDeleteAt no time would baby formula be a consideration for a three year old who can eat solid food.
Gryphen,
ReplyDeleteI hope you will consider posting Audrey's (PalinDeceptions) "Cornerstone" posts.
I think everyone should read/re-read Audrey's these posts, especially now that more people are taking a serious look at the hoax. It was after these posts, that Audrey was forced into silence. "Cornerstone," refers to Tripp's birth because it was – as Audrey says, "The Cornerstone of Sarah's "I'm Trig's mom" campaign.
Another side note, Audrey asks why, "Sarah Palin, given her family values philosophies, has never chosen to do any sort of informative, positive media event on the fact that she and her daughter had babies less than a year apart, with both of them having made difficult decisions." Then boom, a January 2010 IN TOUCH cover, "We're Glad We Chose Life!" Don't miss this "money quote" from the girl who keeps misplacing her chastity belt,
"She does tell In Touch what kind of guy she'd like, when she's "ready" to date: "One with values, one with a good family, a hard worker, and someone who is going to love me and my baby." But Bristol says: "I'm not going to have sex until I'm married. I can guarantee it." Seems there are a whole lot of "perfect guy contestants" under the Palin rv.
In this whole charade, Bristol's "five months along pregnancy" HAS TO BE LOOKED AT.
What I find odd is that she didn't even mention her fifth child.
ReplyDeleteWouldn't one say,"unfortunately I was not able to brestfeed my fifth child Trig."
Why leave him off the list? unless she NEVER had a fifth child.
Three years breastfeeding Piper? I highly doubt it. And no breast milk for little Trig; well of course not since you cannot generate breast milk from nothing; you have to give birth for that to happen.
ReplyDeleteI had my last child at the age of 39 and I had no problems breast feeding him. I see some commenters are under the impression that if you are older, you do not produce as much breast milk. Nothing could be further from the truth. Actually, breast feeding becomes easier when you get older, not harder.
And speaking of Trig; has anyone seen the little guy? Where it he? I hope somewhere good; maybe back with his real mom now that he has served Sarah's purpose?
Breast feeding is recommended for at least six months to a year with better health benefits for the child if breastfed for twelve months in the U.S. In other countries they recommend two years. In many other parts of the world three years or much longer is not an unusual period of time for breast feeding. That said, we can never know if anything SP says is true or designed for her public image, she may not have breastfed in the past as long as she claims.
ReplyDelete"Hard to know where to start. In her predictable efforts to portray herself as fertile, nurturing Traditional Woman, she - oops! - lets slip a peek into his narcissism: yes, it's individual and yes, these times vary, BUT there is much concensus that any is better than none, 6 months provides a solid set f benefits, 12 months ideal benefits, 24 months maximum given other developmental issues, and more calls into question both causal issues (maternal and child) and potential detrimental effects on the child.
ReplyDeleteShort version: 3 years of breastfeeding is too damn long. But this explains Piper's weird position as Sarah's little mirror image and psychological crutch.
And, yes, I breastfed my baby, 12 months, taking my signal from him when he (like so many) learned how to walk and had things to do, other places to be, thank you very much."
That comment cracked me up! I have NEVER heard of any detrimental effects of breastfeeding for three years, and the average worldwide is four years. Is this person saying that everyone but Americans (we seem to be the only ones who are anti-breastfeeding) are mentally unbalanced?
I despise Sarah Palin, but I'm not going to diss her or anyone else because they breastfed for three years!
I was married into a family that spawned 10 children, none of them ever had a real breast in their mouth, and their children never did either. I was the "outlaw" of the family that said I would breastfeed my baby. The typical reaction from most in that family was "ew! gross!" Having him at home as well, with a midwife made me even more of a nutcase in their eyes. I NEVER fed my son in front of anyone in that family except 1 SIL who was cool w/it. And I did it in private w/her watching/chatting with me ONCE. This was 1977. The family thought I was a freak. My Mother-in-Law said I would "lose my teeth" and my husband (her son) would be ignored and "unsatisfied" if I paid that kind of attention to "the baby". Breasts ARE for the husband, correct? hahahaha.
ReplyDeleteI cannot even imagine Sarah Palin being WARM & LOVING enough to cuddle her kids much less allow them to suckle.
Visiting a friend I hadn't seen for years, I was surprised that her 5 year old child was still being breast fed on occasion.....the kid snuggled and signaled.
ReplyDeleteI breast fed my son for six months...he was a little underweight and doc told me he had to do catch-up. Well let me tell you, I didn't know night from day for the first month of his life.
I just don't know how you can work and care for a special needs infant. You would have to be wonder woman as the demands are great and bonding so darn important.
...and, I beg to differ Ivyfree with you saying breastfeeding is inappropriate at age 3. As I said earlier, at that point it's a "comfort issue" NOT a nutritional thing AT ALL past 1 year. Some Moms offer the occasional skin to skin breastfeeding for COMFORT after 1 year vs. shoving a pacifier in their mouth or other means of satisfying the demands of a toddler. To each his own. It's only "gross" or "inappropriate" if you have some hangups about sexuality and your own body. JMHO.
ReplyDeleteAgain...back on TOPIC, Palin doesn't strike me as the type of Mother who would nurture her child in this manner very long at all. And certainly not with Trig. (no milk!)
1:49,
ReplyDeleteI am a certified lactation consultant and I'd like to offer a little education on one of your statements. Actually, you do NOT 'have to' give birth in order to produce breastmilk.
Adoptive breastfeeding is becoming more and more prevalent. If a woman has enough notice, she can do a protocol with two medications- first is a birth control pill called Diane, which you take for several months. Then you switch to a medication called Motilium or generically Domperidone. (This was primarily manufactured in the 90s for acid reflux. But, surprise surprise...MEN did not care for the side effect of breastmilk production! So now you have to get it from Canada, Mexico, or a compounding pharmacy) Once you start the domperidone, you begin pumping on the same schedule as a newborn would nurse- every 2-3 hours.
If a woman has at least six months to prepare, she can basically fool her body into thinking a pregnancy and birth has occurred.
If there is not much notice, a pared down 30 day version of the protocol can still aid in lactation induction...in this case the mother would have to supplement with formula, but either way the adoptive mother can and will produce milk.
Dr. Jack Newman pioneered this protocol about ten years ago and since then, thousands of adoptive mothers have had fulfilling experiences nurturing their babies at the breast.
After four miscarriages including a late term loss of my daughter at nineteen weeks pregnant, we pursued adoption. I so mourned the grief of losing my chance to breastfeed...I wept for the loss.
When Dr. Newman sent me "the protocol" and I learned I could possibly nurture my child to be at my breast...it was the most wonderful, amazing realization!
I did the entire Newman Protocol...and when our incredible birthmother placed our newborn son in my arms, my milk let down just like I had birthed him myself. I put him to my breast and it was the single greatest moment of my life!
I was so moved by my experience, when my son started preschool I began training as a lactation educator and now I help other adoptive mothers prepare to experience one of the most fundamentally profound rites of motherhood.
Sorry for the ramble...but now you know!
Oh and just for the record...I do not believe SP breastfed Trig at all. She didn't birth him, didn't nurse him, and doesn't mother him now.
Not that I believe Trig is Palin's, but babies with Downs often have a hard time with breastfeeding due to low muscle tone which makes it hard for them to latch on to a human nipple vs a rubber nipple. For many with Downs babies, it's more prudent to feed from a bottle.
ReplyDeleteRegarding the length of breastfeeding, I breastfed my 3 older children until about 1 year of age or so. With my 4th child, I was 40 when I had him, and ended up breastfeeding him until he was 3 1/2. By the time he was 2, he was only nursing as comfort or just before bedtime. There was nothing gross about it. I did not breastfeed him once he was a toddler in public (playing peekaboo is always a danger at that age). And today, he is a happy, healthy 11 year old who is moving toward independence in a manner appropriate to his age. So there! ;-D
I'm sorry, IvyFree, I generally LOVE your comments, but you should know that babies often get their first tooth before they are six months old. If women didn't breast feed babies once they got teeth, breast feeding wouldn't last half a year (and formula companies would raise a might cheer).
ReplyDeleteAnd, regarding another commenter's declaration about when breastfeeding should stop, many kids start walking a couple months before their first birthday. One of my little ones walked right before she turned 10 months old. Should I have immediately stopped breastfeeding? Congratulations on your achievement, kid. Have a bottle.
Katie looks so cute in that picture. She has it all....brains, looks, beautiful personality. No wonder Pathetic Palin is soooooo jealous of her.
ReplyDeleteAnd yes, I agree Gryphen. No way, no how was that broad breastfeeding or anything else.
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Haven't gone all through the comments, not sure if anyone has mentioned that your milk doesn't come in typically until 72 hours after birth. You have antibody rich colostrum until then. It gives the baby passive immunity to things plus hyration ,but it also is a defense mechanism of the body to NOT invest in making milk if the baby had died. Biological fact. What makes the milk come in is the sucking by the baby on the breast. Alot of sucking. Like every 2-3 hours. Round the clock. For 3 days. Sarah was not doing that if she was driving to Anchorage and working. And a DS baby will take longer if he was even able to latch on..which, from the tongue protusion seen the little times we've seen Tri-g, I say NO. Also, breastfeeding is damn hard work. You are sore and it can be painful. I actually developed a fissure crack in my left nipple. The pain when my son latched on was really really really bad. Pass out bad. Like my nipple was being cut off every two hours. But i dogged it out and fed him until i got pregant the second time at 7 months....yes you can get pregnant breasfeeding!!
ReplyDeleteAnonymous at 4:22 said..."Somewhat O/T: In her recent bus tour their was a reflection of Granny without a seat belt and Piper beside her, sucking her thumb. Isn't she nine years old?"
ReplyDeleteYes, but I expect that by this time Piper has severe emotional issues due to being removed from any semblance of a normal childhood, and serving as her fucked-up mother's "best buddy".
I don't think breast size in itself matters. Some women remain the same size, but the shape changes, and wouldn't be noticeable when wearing a bra.
ReplyDeleteMy breastfeeding experience was rather boring. What I loved the most about it was knowing it helps the child's immune system AND it helped me lose my baby weight a bit quicker. My first two kids were a delight. They followed their schedules well. My third, however worried the hell out of me. I was breastfeeding the same as the first two, but he began to lose weight. Either my milk was less nourishing, or I wasn't producing enough, whatever, My doctor recommended pumping and alternating formula, but after awhile, he stopped taking the breast and preferred formula.
The longest I fed was about 18 or 19 months, but I know of women in other cultures who breastfeed four or more years.
I do know one thing, if someone fakes a pregnancy, it's doubtful their body would even produce milk because the hormone factors aren't there.
I know this is not the point of your post, but did you seriously just knock moms who breastfeed kids for three years? (Not that I believe for a minute that Sarah Palin had that kind of selfless dedication.)
ReplyDeleteI admire much of what you do, Gryffin. You are not an ignorant man but this was an ignorant comment.
I breastfed my oldest until she was over three years - then the second baby came along. The second one was breastfed for 11 months.
ReplyDeleteWhere is Tri-G, anyway?
ReplyDeleteVirginia Voter is correct: Just as every pregnancy varies, so does every mother's experience with breastfeeding, should she choose it.
ReplyDeleteMy two eldest sons, otherwise as different as can be, weaned at twenty-nine months on the dot.
My youngest weaned close to his third birthday. He was reading before he weaned, and was not completely out of diapers until--by mutual agreement--his fourth birthday.
In our cases, breastfeeding changed as breast milk began (late, in my sons' case) to be supplemented by other foods. ALL of my toddler sons breastfed for comfort after, say, a fall or a bump, or for relaxation leading to a light doze after a busy morning at playgroup.
Unlike newborns, who just WANNA and leer at the nipple, not caring about the circumstances, older babies and toddlers (at least mine) liked a quieter setting with fewer or no distractions. I felt almost guilty because I always had a good book or a copy of The New Yorker next to my rocking chair: fun and relaxation for both of us!
If they weren't satisfied when I thought they'd be ready to "latch off," when I inserted the tip of a finger into their mouths to break the suction, they would beginning to suck vigorously once again. Don't stop now!
Not TMI, I hope, but every mother who breastfeeds and likes it finds a way to work it out. Two full-time employees I know pumped at work to relieve pressure, and to leave milk at home for the babysitters.
But come quitting time, they would change from power suit to nightgown and hop into bed with their nursling. They figured that their babies received three-quarters of their daily feeding total during their evenings in bed with Mom.
Since I was home full time, any time could be feeding time.
I absolutely cannot imagine $P taking the TIME to breastfeed Piper until she was three, much less risking spit-up on her black jackets...
Nothing wrong with breastfeeding three years. I nursed my son more than two years, and he turned out strong and brave and kind.
ReplyDeleteHa ha ha...3 years?!! Made me think of the HBO Series Game of Thrones...lol
ReplyDeleteThe Queen of the Veil is always shown with her child suckling her breast. The kid has got to be at least 7...pretty funny stuff.
Does anyone else watch that?