Now before I begin, I must confess that I have not actually read all of the information posted attacking my reporting (I make it a policy NEVER to visit that particular part of the internet) so I cannot defend each allegation individually.
Instead I will focus on the research that went into the writing of that post, and my attempt to gather as much info as possible before posting it.
As I mentioned in this post, in May of 2009 Tank Jones, manager for Levi Johnston and my Private Investigator at the time, told me that he had witnessed Levi picking up a one year old child from the Palin household whom he referred to as Tripp. This led me to believe two things.
One, that the infant presented to the world by Bristol was either NOT Tripp Johnston, or that he was not the ONLY Tripp Johnston.
And two, that Bristol could not have given birth to Trig on April 18, 2008. This may sound like a small thing today, since now the majority of us don't believe she gave birth in April, but back then it was a huge departure from the working theory. (Since this epiphany I have also seen pictorial evidence and heard first hand reports which confirm that she was certainly not visibly pregnant around March and April of 2008.)
It was right around this time, and while I was stilling trying to make sense of what I had heard, that I received this picture.
At first, like a lot of people, I did not notice anything particularly odd about the picture.
Then I was prompted to look closely at the ears.
"Oh, now I see" said the blind man. Well, I thought, THAT ear certainly does not match THIS ear.
So I decided the first child MUST be the one that Tank was referencing. Made sense right?
But no, according to Tank the baby he saw had no ear defect. (Of course he, like many of the people who saw and even held this "ruffled ear" baby, might have missed it.)
Back to square one, I thought. But not entirely.
Because now we did seem to have evidence of TWO completely different children. Not to mention an eye witness account confirming either the existence of this mystery baby, or yet a second mystery baby.
So I began to look for physicians who could explain this ear defect away.
But after consulting four doctors, two of them pediatricians, and one an Ear, Nose, and Throat Specialist, I realized that there were no simple explanations. As one doctor said, "There is an approximately zero percent probability that these two sets of ears belong to the same infant."
At that I realized that I needed to put the information out there for others to read, hopefully new information would present itself, and we could all figure this out together.
But I was very hesitant. I realized that this could cause quite a lot of consternation on the internet, and possibly even blow up in my face. So I held off for over ten months.
Finally, with the assurance from one of the doctors that we were definitely on solid footing, I wrote and published the post.
Afterwards, as expected, the blowback was withering. I was inundated with messages from people who had, or knew, or were children that had a similar defect that had either repaired itself, been fixed by "earforms," or had been taped into place until healed.
This went on for about a month I guess.
However at the same time I also received e-mails from physicians, and at least one nurse, who said that my post was spot on and that there simply was NO way without surgery for this ear to have repaired itself. And of course as pointed out in my post, surgery could NOT be performed until Trig was four or five years old.
Much later we came across even more confirmation of the existence of the ruffled ear baby in Frank Bailey's book.
Some have speculated, based on the baby's size, that this is either late may or early June. |
Now my "Two Babies" post proved to be IM's MOST visited post, and received well over 100,000 hits. It was looked at, and criticized, by truckloads of people, and in the end the consensus was that it was a VERY solid post and in fact did prove the existence of another baby.
So recently, when it was challenged, I admit I was not terribly interested in rehashing an old post that I had written two years ago. Especially since the information being used to challenge it was the same old ear taping, and ear form argument used back in 2009.
As most of you know my reticence was taken as arrogance, and the criticism was then posted on two other blogs.
So since this issue has been broached, and opened for discussion, let me explain why my point of view remains unchanged.
As I explained in a private e-mail that I sent early in this discussion, it is important not just to consider what is possible, but also what is probable.
Now the first thing to consider is what did Trig Palin symbolize in Sarah Palin's world?
Well he was at the center of Sarah Palin's pro-life credibility. His existence, as an imperfect baby that Sarah chose to carry to term (well almost) and give birth to, provided proof positive to the Republican electorate that she not only "talked the talk" but that she "walked the walk."
His very imperfections made him invaluable to her image.
So ask yourself WHY would she bother to fix an imperfect ear, on a soon to be famous imperfect child? To what benefit would that be to Sarah Palin? And have no doubt, if it was NOT in her best interest, she could not be bothered.
Now if you can get past that, then ask yourself if any known intervention would have repaired the damage that we see in the first baby's ear?
I asked the ENT that very question. Was there any procedure that could repair that ear and make it look like the ear we see at the RNC?
"Not without surgery." I was told, "And even then it is unlikely there would not be scarring still visible on the ears."
Do you see scars?
We asked again if there were any other methods outside of surgery, that could account for the dramatic change in the ear and he said no, because what you are seeing is missing cartilage in the upper helix of the ear. Nothing except surgery, very expensive surgery, would fix that.
So even if Palin did decide to use ear forms, or conned some unethical surgeon into performing surgery on her Pro-life Down syndrome prop, it STILL would not result in the perfect ear that we see on October 18, 2008.
But let's pretend that it COULD, just for shits and giggles.
From what I read the ear forms should be applied starting in the first fourteen days of the baby's life, while the ears are still malleable and the cartilage has not yet hardened up.
But is there ANY evidence they were applied?
Do you see anything in, or around, his ears?
And once again here is the picture from Bailey's book which was taken even later. Are there any signs of corrective measures applied to these ears?
I have spoken to a couple of people who saw the baby right around the six week to two month period and NONE of them reported seeing Trig with anything on his ears.
Sarah wrote a book where she went on and on about her mothering abilities. Did she mention daily treatments for her little boy's damaged ears so that he could appear normal to the other children? No she did not. (And let us not forget that this is a woman who does not even bother to make sure that Trig has the glasses and hearing aids he needs to successfully engage with the world around him. Yet we are expected to believe she would care for this ear malformation on a daily basis?)
So that should put to rest the idea of correction through the use of "ear forms" or ear well treatments.
What about a surgical intervention?
Well first Palin would have to find yet ANOTHER doctor who would willingly put their medical career in jeopardy. (I don't believe CBJ moonlights as a plastic surgeon, do you?)
Then she would have to be willing to PAY for it. Now remember this is the woman who charged the state of Alaska a per-diem to stay in her very own home! Cosmetic surgery is NOT covered by most medical insurance plans, so she would have to pay the entire cost out of pocket.
You people probably know Sarah Palin just about as well as anybody at this point, how likely do YOU think it would be that she would pay thousands of dollars out of pocket for an unorthodox, medically unnecessary, surgery like this?
Yeah that's what I thought too.
Like I said, it might be "possible" to correct the malformation we see in that little ruffled ear baby. But it is highly, and I do mean HIGHLY improbable! As hard as it is to swallow, the more likely scenario is that we are looking at two different babies.
Look I understand that the "Two Babies" post, and my post about the information Tank Jones provided to me, have made it difficult to embrace a simple narrative to explain what Sarah Palin did in order to pull off this hoax. But was the solution that I simply keep the information to myself, while watching people jump to conclusions, or make false assumptions that I believed were not based on reality?
And is that confounding complexity reason enough to attempt to discredit the information in order to return to a simpler, easier to digest storyline?
You know the really disheartening thing about this is that it is just the latest example of people investigating Sarah Palin turning on each other. We saw it happen with Joe McGinniss and the authors of "Blind Allegiance." We also saw it happen with other bloggers and even Joe taking shots at me. And now we are seeing it happen yet again.
It is almost like whoever Palin brings together, must eventually tear each other apart.
Well like I said, I am in this for the long haul. So hopefully this post will provide a little perspective, and answer any doubts, because I would like to return my focus to what is ahead, and hopefully leave the past in my rear view mirror.
In the immortal words of Robert Frost.
The woods are lovely, dark, and deep,
But I have promises to keep,
And miles to go before I sleep,
And miles to go before I sleep.
I trust you above all others. Thank you!
ReplyDeleteI, too, think it's irresponsible to do anything but present facts at this point.
ReplyDeleteMy guess is that when this finally is resolved it is going to be way stranger than fiction...and I will bet money that there are people (much higher up in the Republican party than Sarah) that had a hand in this.
There ya go disparaging other blogs without finding out that it was Brad Scharlott who wrote a guest post... And that many on the comments thread of that guest post of that blog defended your research. Seriously? You could have written that line without saying you won't go to that place. You again look petty and thin skinned... Better yet have a dialogue with BS about why he feels that way and write a post about That!!!!!!
ReplyDeleteThanks Gryphen for the research you do. None of know just yet exactly what scam Sarah pulled in faking the birth, but let's keep the pressure on her since she is cracking! Thanks for your commitment to be in it for the long haul.
ReplyDeleteAnd a note to other bloggers, please remember that it does all of no good in bashing one another. As theories go, there is not just ONE correct theory. Keep digging for the truth and when we discover it, let's do it together, united as one. (This means YOU, Brad!)
RJM
Great post, Gryphen, a couple things:
ReplyDeleteDid you say before that the child Tank saw Levi pick up and call "Tripp" was a one year old? Or did you just say he looked older than he should have. I don't recall you saying a one year old in that post.
I'm with you that the ear could not have been fixed with a form given that cartilage appears to be missing. However, I'm not entirely sure that surgery to fix such a rumply ear would be considered cosmetic and therefore not covered by insurance. I'm thinkin' insurance might pay for that sort of defect. But your point is excellent: that if little Trig had to have a surgical repair, or even wear ear forms, SURELY Sarah would have mentioned it! How much more sympathetic she would appear to be. She didn't hesitate to publish pictures of Trig in a hospital gown when he was about 2, in for some surgical procedure (that could NOT have been ear surgery because that child did not have ear defects then).
Her whole story is bunkum. I'm glad you will remain on it until she is exposed for the ultimate fraud she is.
I continue to be intrigued by your posts and disheartened by certain of others in the blogworld. As someone commented recently--not about your posts-- "I feel like soon you're going to say that Sarah gave birth to Trig, too."
And I say there's no way she did, and I will not rest until that huge scam is proven.
I commented on the other site that I thought that Brad's post was unnecessarily critical. We're all trying to find the truth. The Palins are so dysfunctional that no theory can be summarily dismissed.
ReplyDelete"You know the really disheartening thing about this is that it is just the latest example of people investigating Sarah Palin turning on each other."
I hope you're including yourself in this group, because you've done your share.
Also, have we seen that photo of Mercede and Triggybear anytime before with the addition of the sticker "Family" on it? I'm assuming that is direct from Mercede's photo album.
ReplyDeleteWhat do you make of that?
Sure makes it look to me like Mercede considered that baby to be a relative. Perhaps her first "nefu"?
Don't let them get to you, you are doing a great job and I am glad to hear once again that you intend to keep at it. Everyone wants definitive answers and we just seem to get more frustrating questions. I really believe the answers will come but everyone has to keep plugging away. Constructive criticism can help but it is just plain stupid for people who are supposedly on the same side to rip each other apart. Good job, Mr G!
ReplyDeleteThere is no evidence that Sarah was ever a good mother.
ReplyDeleteShe anointed herself a "small town hockey mom" no one else did. She couldn't even be bothered to stick to her responsibilities as her son's chauffeur.
She built a sports complex with town money it didn't have as an homage/legacy to herself as a washed-up high school basketball player not even good enough for an athletic scholarship. She wasn't even good enough to keep a job as a sports reporter. Even her good looks weren't enough to compensate for her Word Salad in sports lingo, couldn't hack it and no one could understand her. Defeated by her clumsy verbiage.
But God, Country, Family, Patriot, Common-Sense, Time-Tested Truths and the Constitution dog whistles sure cut it in Teabag land.
The fertility of the Palin's are unquestionable. The fidelity, gestation and bastardity (a new Palin word) and lineage is.
What it comes down to is, you can't believe a Palin or their government mouth-piece press releases on the births of record. Any of em, all of em put in front of us over the years.
Nowhere is there a picture of ANY aides or appliances being used to correct Trig's deformed ears. No bandages or scars from surgery is evident. NOTHING anywhere to suggest there was ever any procedure done.Not an e-mail, not a reference by Sarah, not one photo.
ReplyDeleteTo those who suggest his ears were "fixed", let's see your examples of this work in progress please.
What's the latest on "Fred's" book and website please?
ReplyDeleteGive us an update as soon as you can Gryphen!
Thanks!
I think the truth about Trig must be made public. I also think that it is highly counter-productive for those who have been trying to unravel the truth from the Palin fiction to be "dissing" one another. The ear question which Gryphen addressed some time ago and then again today is an important part of the story. Prof. Scharlott's dismissal of "ruffles" story is unfortunate and does not help move us closer to the truth although he has earlier done much to help dislodge some of the secrecy surrounding the story, especially with regard to the msm. All of the little bits and pieces are parts of the truth that we all wish to have exposed.
ReplyDeleteDude. Gryphen. We are just saying that the black and white photo LOOKS just like Trig in every way. What are the chances that an ear with that structure (inner and outer) could be two different babies?
ReplyDeleteTrigs ears even stick out the same way at the top. Ears DO unfurl themselves.
Ask yourself this. if two babies named Tripp exist, does the mysterious one never leave the house? Bristol has one child, almost 3 year old Tripp.
Whats interesting is, According to this post, Tank saw the baby well enough to comment on the ears.
If I were you, Id throw everything Tank or Rex says out the window and think to yourself, "whats mostbelievable?
That the Palins have successfully hid a third baby from the public for 3 years or something happened to the ears that you cant explain because 1. you have no firsthand evidence and 2. you're medically ignorant
Tons of people saw Trig in his early life. Many of these people think Sarah birthed him in April today. If she switched babies, and that switch was noticeable, wouldnt these people have changed their theory about Sarah birthing Trig?
Nice try. Unfortunatley, you can't blame Sarah for your attitude towards the other bloggers. YOU are the one who has decided to pretend they don't exist. YOU are the one who censors any mention of their being. YOU are the one being the child here.
ReplyDeleteI think youre thinking too much. Trigs ears dont matter in Trigs political usage for sarah. Most people dont even notice ears. Despite everything, he is 'perfect' in her eyes. That was the sentiment. When was there time to get a new baby? What would have happened to the old baby?
ReplyDeleteThere are a ton of pictures of Trig during and post election of him in the same position as the Frank B picture. He looks the same. The inner ear structure looks the same. Because none of your alleged doctors have met Trig in person, they cannot medically judge.
It's like psychiatry. To "shrink" a person, to diagnose them with an affliction, you have to have met them. Thats the first step. Bad lighting and different angles have led us to believe there are multiple Trigs. That isn't sane thinking. Different lighting at events has made sarah look completely different. He made Levi look different.
Lighting helps create optical illusions.
Gryph --
ReplyDeleteWhile I can appreciate your not wanting to draw attention to those on the other side of this controversy, your failure to link to what you are talking about makes it seem that you aren't confident in your readers' ability to separate the wheat from the chaff.
If you wanted to ignore it, fine. But once you start responding, you really should have provided a link.
Who knows why now after all this time someone has decided all the same baby and the ear was fixed - perhaps magically or through faith?
ReplyDeleteWhat all the recent spate of photos DOES show - once again - is people other than S.P. holding the baby close, cuddling him, having him rest his head on the adult's shoulder. Those absurd photos of S.P. on various stages holding the baby with his back to her and with the baby's looking very uncomfortable? Either she can't bring herself to cuddle him or she can't allow baby drool on her clothes or both.
How many photos have we seen with the baby being held normally by S.P. when she is all dressed up? She can't use a cloth to protect her clothes? Wants to show his face? What?
It sure is a mystery. I see similarities in the ears but have a very hard time with how good it looked only 5 months later. I have personal experience with this. My husband and daughter both had some deformities with their ear cartilage and at 56 and 19 both ears show improvement but not perfection in any way compared to the perfection seen so soon in the pictures posted. The babies ear was really deformed and in 5 months time could not look so perfect--no way.
ReplyDeleteGryph, I'm with you till this all gets figured out. I appreciate your efforts and I'm sad to see "blog wars" when it's so important to stand together. I'll be here, and I know many others will be, too. Keep up the good work!
ReplyDeleteOne thing that stands out for me, is the the apparent haircut Trig has in the second photo. It looks like at some point the lower back of his head was shaved. Why would a baby need a haircut? Surgery?
ReplyDeletei read the posts in question. i also did my own research on medical corrections of those ear malformations. yes that baby could have had surgery in the four months between birth and the rnc. however nowhere is there any pictorial evidence of sutures, scars, taping, bandaging, etc. not in april, not in may, not in the summer pictures. there is no way those perfect rnc ears are the same as the baby ruffles ears. they would need a lot more than just unfurling. the cartilage is different. the shape is different. levi and mercede were both around that baby and never mention anything about surgery or ear forms. it also doesnt explain the tremendous growth of that preemie baby with the heart defect and downs syndrome who went from emaciated almost skeletal preemie to chubby huge rnc bruiser. also elplain to me why people who look like they hadnt had a bath on a while (sorry levi) are allowed in the room with a preemie fragile baby with no masks, no gowns, and why that baby is never in an incubator with oxygen and monitoring equipment. it has a heart defect and probably a compromised immune system and not fully formed lungs. or does it? if its already 4 months old and over the hump then i can see it. not a newborn in that condition.
ReplyDeleteWell done, Gryphen.
ReplyDeleteI am glad you addressed this issue
I was most uncomfortable by the conclusions of the 'sloppy research' post.. where a non-medical professional comes to a medical conclusion based on computer overlays of a baby's ear.
Thank you again for telling us that missing cartilage in Ruffles ear led to your physician[s] conclusion that the ruffled ear would not reform into a perfect ear without surgery.
ps. I hope someone posts for you the new information that one Mom posted over the weekend.
She spotted a 'droopy lip' on one side of Trig's mouth that is quite apparent in some photos.
Amazing what she saw in plain sight in the 1. Heath baby in the hospital adn 2. some pic of current Trig. Droopy lip on one side..
And thank you to that poster who is a Mom! Well done.
I think the more you pursue "two babies" the more ridiculous you make truthers look. You prove you:
ReplyDelete- have no honest insight into these people's lives as you say you do
-you prove yourself to b too closed-minded, something that makes other truthers elsewhere look equally stupid.
Regarding some other IM posts, I know you don't have the most accurate sources and qualified insight you think you do. I mean, there have been some pretty bad opinions and wholly inaccurate writings here. That's not your fault just like it's not Joe M's fault. People lie. It happens.
Ask yourself which is more likely: The ears change with lighting and angles (and time) (which we've seen)
or Sometime, during a strenuous, 24/7 activity load, Sarah found the time to switch babies, forgetting that loads of people had seen Trig.
It's interesting how the only people who think there are more than one Trig are the only people who HAVENT met him.
When I saw Brad's post I thought "OMG! Now there are 3 babies." Then he updated and I was speechless..there are 4 babies now?
ReplyDeleteSarah won't even cough up enough money for a well-made wig. She probably orders the ones advertised in the USA Today Sunday supplement. There's no way she would pay for cosmetic surgery for her prop baby.
ReplyDeleteKeep up the good work Gryphen. It's appreciated.
ReplyDeleteG, your closed-mindedness of identical to that of global warming supporters. THEY say man has caused it, when there's a great deal of evidence that man has zero control over anything weather related.
ReplyDeleteMore importantly, people forget that just because there are scientific methods that exist today to predict certain outcomes, it doesn't mean something won't be discovered in 200 hundred years refuting EVERYTHING and finally explaining things from a different angle.
We will always be ignorant sotospeak. Time reveals all. We must remain OPEN to all possibities.
Do you REALLY want to be in the same camp as WTC truthers? I hope not.
Just a reminder that ears with missing cartilage don't "unfurl."
ReplyDeleteAlso anybody who claims that Sarah Palin would not dare change babies after so many people had seen and held "Trig" does not know Sarah Palin. She faked a pregnancy right under the eyes of her friends, co-workers, and family.
Well this is interesting as well.
ReplyDeletehttp://www.flickr.com/photos/palinproject/6274284461/
Gryphen, thanks for taking this one on.
ReplyDeleteIMO Brad Scharlott hasn't explained anything with his ear photo comparisons, he has only added to the already very great confusion surrounded Trig/Tripp.
You said it yourself. To use an ear mold, it's best to use them in the first few weeks of life as the ears are most malleable then.
ReplyDeleteWell, Trig's ears certainly unfurled themselves somewhat in between the baby shower pictures and Frank's.
Doesn't this make the case that Trig's birthday is in fact on or around April 18th? He did look jaundice in the Sally H picture. He also looked newly born. In Levi's picture, you can kind of see that residue on his face. Trig, again, looks newly born.
I think it's pretty believable that Bristol, who was trying to MOLD Levi into a mature father figure, made him come to the hospital to hold baby Trig.
To me, Levi looked like he would have rather been elsewhere and even gave the camera an "i dont care" look. He looked pissed in the kitchen picture, which would correspond to Mercede telling
johnny earlier that morning "Levi's still angry, he hunts every night"
It's too bad Bristol was set on Levi then because currently, Gino is proving to be an EXCELLENT father figure to Tripp and he's mature and loves Tripp's whole family.
Why would a professor start writing about the baby hoax? He's putting his credentials on the line. He's putting his University on the line. Would a University really allow one of it's professors to blog about a polarizing political figure and a controversial baby hoax theory? I would imagine the Palin bots have flooded the university presidents office with e-mails, phone calls and letters insisting Brad stop. Do you really think the University is ok with Professor Scharlotts little hobby? I do not. It makes me wonder what the motive is. Why would a professor do this. I understand and value Brad S. initial paper about the media avoiding the Sarah Palin baby controversy. It was what a communications professor would be an expert in and would have valuable information on. However, I wonder about his motive for the recent post on sloppy reporting and his claim about Trig's ear being "fixed". I don't think he is in Sarah's camp. No, I think his motive is much more scholarly. I think he is showing now how easy it is to manipulate a large group of people. It's a continuation of his theory on the silence of the media. Let me explain. He starts posting about his theory of the media's silence. He ingratiates himself with the ant-Palin community by publishing a paper on the conspiracy of silence. Earns his credentials so to speak. He gains the trust of the blogging community. Now he comes out with a post slamming the 2 ear theory and Gryphen. He posts this on a blog where the regulars are known to have strong negative opinions for Jesse and IM. The posters at that particular blog are/were some of the strongest supporters of the 2 baby theory along with some other far out theories. After Brads post, many of them jump on the Brad band wagon. He's convinced them he's right and every thing they have thought for months is wrong. He has shown how easily it is to manipulate a large group of people. He's shown how easy it is to change "group think". Is the anti-Palin community an unsuspecting participant into Professor Scharlott's newest foray into how easy it is to manipulate people on BOTH ends of the spectrum? Are we going to be subjects of his next research paper? I have always been very interested in how easy it is to manipulate people. That's why Sarah interests me so.
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Chronological montage here:
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I just checked out that flickr link and I have to say that to my eye, they look like the same baby. The tongue/lax facial muscles you point out can easily just be a tired or stressed baby - my daughter received lots of therapy to help her control her face/mouth/tongue muscles, but she will still let hit hang out on occasion when she is tired, and she's 11 now. Some pics of her make it very very obvious she has DS and others you'd be hard pressed to tell. So..that said, I *do* believe they've passed off more than one baby as Trig, but THESE particular photos don't illustrate that to me....
ReplyDeleteI tried writing Brad a long post but it kept disappearing.
ReplyDeleteLet me preface this by saying I have Masters and Doctorate Degrees in Audiology, the study of hearing and hearing disorders. I am not a pediatric specialist but I have tested the hearing of and fit hearing aids on thousands of ears.
I was very disappointed in Brads post for many reasons.
He is practically inventing evidence to prove his theory and he leaves out a very important factor, the BEHAVIOR of the Palins as parents!
Why would they repair his ear but not correct his eyes?
He talks all about this neonatal procedure " advertised on the Internet." That procedure or forms are not commonly used by ENTs across the country. Yet eye muscle surgery is very established and routine. I am 55 years old and had two eye muscle surgeries before the age of 5. My eyes are perfectly straight. If Sarah is so concerned with cosmetics,
why fix the ear and not the eyes!! If Sarah is concerned with the structure or function of the outer ear, why does Trig never have have his hearing aids on??
The behavior of parents is very revealing.
I find it highly improbable that they would seek out an "ear buddy" without taking care of his eyes AND insuring he wore hearing aids and glasses ALL of time!
Most parents would do everything they could, not just one thing.
Has Brad talked to any pediatric audiologists or ear nose and throat doctors? I have never seen such a deformed ear be corrected as easily as he states. And just because something is advertised on the internet does not make it common place! He showed a photo showing how many different types of pinnas ( outer ear) shapes there are. But in reality most people have pinnas that look very similar!! All the variations he showed are subtle and defects are rare, not common!
Brad: did you even consult with any ear specialists? How many otologists do that correction you mentioned?
I asked 3 who had never heard of it. A babies head size changes drastically and usually any corrective surgery isn't done until much later. I realize this isn't surgery but still, how common is it?
I am not sure I agree with Jesse here 100% either. But least Jesse consulted with an ENT. I think Brads statistical arguments are very weak because they leave out many factors. And he is stating " he knows he is right?"
Really Brad? You know you are right? Before cutting Jessie down and calling him arrogant, I challenge you to talk to 3 or more pediatric audiologists and otologists who deal with these infants every day at major medical centers.
We know that in a recent photo Trigs eyes are severely crossed. Why no eye muscle surgery? At age 3, i was out of the hospital the same day. My mom said I walked out of the OR. If the parents are so thorough in their care that they travel to get ear buddies,, why isn't he wearing hearing aids and glasses. You leave out the behavior of the parents altogether.
Also everyone needs to stop bickering! I don't know why J despises P and K so much, but get over it and work together. You don't have to be friends, but you don't have to be at odds. The posturing on all sides is ridiculous and should remain behind the scenes. Jesse, just because you wrote something two years ago, doesn't mean you shouldn't consider ANY new evidence!! What if you made a mistake? Isn't the truth more important!
Plus you are all getting away from the most important information - Sarah faked the pregnancy. All of you: chill and cut out the bickering and try discussion and consultation with experts IF pursuing the ear question is so important. I personally don't care how many babies there are or even why Sarah did what she did. She faked a pregnancy and USED Trig/s/Tripp for her political aspirations and to steal money from people. Yes steal, because it was done under false pretenses! How many commandments have you broken Sarah or does that not matter to Dominionist Christians??
It will be wonderful when the real story of how 'ear baby' was found comes out. I for one am exhausted by the knowledge I have about it.
ReplyDeleteAnon 5:05: You DUDE are a moron. ears do NOT " unfurl" themselves! What s load of garbage. And the word DUDE gives you away as a Bristol, Willow or April. And if you aren't them, you are on that level.
ReplyDeleteAlso no one said they have been hiding a baby for years. He could have died DUDE or been institutionalized DUDE.
Please don't be so immature. Ha
Gryphen,
ReplyDeleteI believe that there are photos that show that a repair has been done, BUT, it also shows that there ARE TWO BABIES! Those two pictures definitely show two different babies presented as Trig at the RNC.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/35383132@N00/4715160688/
And this picture shows the similarities of the baby that Bristol is holding, the one that was taken earlier in the day by People Magazine, and Ruffles.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/35383132@N00/4714074093/
You can see the similarities in the folds inside the ear even with the repair that was done.
Did Brad ever use the word 'sloppy' as your quotes imply? Or did you just make that up?
ReplyDeleteWithout providing readers with a link to the argument against yours, you're being evasive. Why can't you provide that link?
I said it before and i will say it again....the reason this hoax has not been exposed is because many people broke laws and many of the people that helped to make this hoax possible are powerful.
ReplyDeleteremember this..an entire hospital and its staff of doctors were forced into silence.
who has the power to do that?
it may be illegal to show people someones medical history but its not illegal to simply state 'palin never had a baby named trig in this hospital".
and also levi certainly knows the real truth of this.
why wont he tell?
my guess is someone convinced him he broke laws and might wind up in jail like his mom.
Just thought I'd throw this out there...
ReplyDeleteYesterday my daughter went to brunch with her 13 month old. He is 30 inches tall and weighs 21 pounds. She was with a friend whose baby girl was 6 months old, was 26 inches tall and weighed 23 pounds!
Most of the people in the restaurant assumed they were about the same age and that my grandson was just more advanced the the little girl.
My daughter has another friend who has a nine month old that is bigger than his 22 month old!
My point is this...trying to determine a child's age by simply looking at them is impossible and I would caution anyone in making assumptions.
With you 100% Gryphen. I fully believe there was more than one "Trig" used to dupe the gullible base into believing that Saint Sarah was capable of handling everything life threw at her--therefore, she would be able to summon God and "save" America with a snap of her bony fingers.
ReplyDeleteOf course, over time, those that can actually analyze details have discovered that the Sarah Myth was, and is, a total crock of shit. IMO, this was a huge marketing strategy backed by big Fundie bucks to gain a foothold in the WH. Why else would so much information suddenly disappear from the internet, emails and personal hard drives when Missy blasted through Curtain Number One?
Them's in charge KNOW that their hardcore Bot base eats up TLC-caliber reality shows with a spoon. Everything is a bogus drama. We know that most aspects of SP's life are nothing but plot elements in a scripted existence at this point. Most of it wouldn't have been debunked without bloggers and researchers--and nothing would have come to light without the Web. Their second attempt with "Herbie" Cain is also falling flat. Any wonder why the Bots, in their Palin grief, were pushing the "self-made," uber-Xtian Pizza Guy?
Anyway, I digress. Perhaps Prop #1 "Ruffles" was tested beforehand to see if he would fuss or bother when being dragged around from venue to venue like a sack of potatoes. Maybe he "failed," was sent back to whoever loaned him, and Prop #2 was found just prior to RepubliCon 2008. I'm sure anyone who was involved at ANY level signed a boatload of confidentiality agreements when dealing with the Palin clan.
I hope that nothing hideous was done in "acquiring" more than one child to play Trig in Sarah's saintly little scenario. I hope that the kids they "used" are safe and happy. Just the fact that anyone thought they could willfully pull this hoax off on the voting public is incredibly frightening and sad--and to use babies as pawns is beyond insane.
I think so many are completely frustrated that Miss Thing seems to be getting away with the maximum amount of bullshit--yet again--that it's creating tension among the blogs. Some may feel that it's "too late now" to matter, but again, IMO, when it blows it'll be the equivalent of a 10.9 quake for the GOP. A stunt like this will capture everyone's imagination. And somewhere along the line, I'm sure someone forgot to cross a "t" or dot an "i"--that's how it'll be revealed.
Patience. All good things take time. Now I need more caffeine--
Still a mystery;however, with continued research and questions, one day this Palin cretin will be truly exposed for all her deceptions and disregard for children, family, and their well-being. She is a pathetic human being who only cares about herself-- at anybody's expense. Of course, her mental illness will become worse and she will be lost in her own selfish, deluded snake pit existence.
ReplyDeleteI sincerely hope some closure will be found in this absurd mystery surrounding Trig. What kind of mother would obscure facts, lie, and blame everybody else?
Doctors can't diagnose a patient they've never met. I would hope you would have known that. It's the first rule of psychology. Is it for other fields of medicine.
ReplyDeleteAnd I wouldn't use Laura's friend as a tried and true source either. HE said the plane/blue sweater baby wasn't DS, when that baby looks like all the other Trig pictures out there.
Really people. USE YOUR BRAIN FOR ONCE.
Gryphen, the only way you could have proved there are two babies is if you've personally seen TWO BABIES.
ReplyDeleteGAWD almighty, no wonder you're a leftist. This argument is ignorant at the root and fatally flawed from all angles.
6:01 - EARS DO NOT UNFURL THEMSELVES. You have no idea how stupid you sound saying such a thing. We know who you are and it does not work.....
ReplyDeleteHi, Gryphen.
ReplyDeleteI really don't know what to believe about this. One, two, three babies, who knows with the Palin clan.
What I do know is that Sarah did NOT give birth to Trig. And that Bristol has lied about the birth of Tripp.
I am frustrated about a lot of what the blogs have said (and yes, at times with you, too) because it feels everyone's going around in circles and no conclusion is being made.
The only thing that makes me think Trig and Ruffles are the same baby is that picture from Frank Bailey's book. The (supposed) newborn photo of the young girl holding the baby's ear is ruffled. REALLY ruffled. Then the second photo from Frank Bailey's book is the same ear, but this baby is a bit older and that ear has the same ruffling, but it's not as pronounced which seems to say to me that that ear was growing, becoming much more normal.
people disagreein' ever'where you look
ReplyDeletemakes me want to stop and read a book
--bob dylan, 'watch the river flow'
Hi Sarah, Welcome Back!
ReplyDeleteQuick question, Where's Trigs Birth Certificate?
I appreciate this post. The Tank Jones post made my head swim and I just couldn't see the forest for the trees.
ReplyDeleteBut you've once again broken it down for us simple folk.
Where is Ruffles?
Making fun of sarah is a hoot.
This is not fun,
but now I think we know why it is incredibly important.
This woman...
There are no words.
I think it may be time the AK Public Record of infant deaths gets a better look...
Somebody out there was already doing the heavy lifting re: the Infant Death file in AK...
Hello? Hello?
Anon at 6:01 claims gino is back with Bristol and is an excellent father figure for Tripp.
ReplyDeleteI thought Bristol dumped him way back when he didn't want to sign confidentiality papers?
The gossip that swirls around.
In one sense the anons are right.
We don't know what the hell goes on in that family.
Neither do the anons.
I don't care who is Tripps father figure, who Bristol is currently sleeping with.
I simply want the babygate nonsense to unravel.
Bristol can sleep with whoever she wants and talk aabout abstinence out to the other corner of her mouth. We know they are all liars and hypocrits.
I too conducted hours of research on ear deformities following your release of the Two Babies post. I found nothing that contradicted what you reported as your consultants' opinions.
ReplyDeleteLaura's guest consultant corroborated your reporting. And, he added another important observation. It was his opinion that Ruffles also exhibited signs of DS.
Introduction of a teratogen or some disruption of blood supply during the 4-5th weeks of embryo formation can result in the type of ear deformity seen in the photos. Such conditions may or may not be bilateral and may or may not signal other defects in organ systems or structures that are forming at the same gestational time.
To my eye there are similarities between Ruffles and Trig and I have always considered it possible that they are identical twins. One twin could have an ear deformity and the other not. They could be very different in size and the impact of the DS could be very different.
Some time ago, on another site, there was a consideration given to Ruffles having had some surgery to close the opening that we see in the photos. This may have been done if the opening comminicated to a sinus or presented some complication for recurring infections. There was a MD who had offered that opinion.
Is this possible? None of our anon commenters (anon 432 or me again) have ever given an indication that there were twins.
Dr Who at 6:10.....You made very compelling points.
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Why did Brisdull give her son the last name JOHNSTON if she HATED Levi's family?
ReplyDeleteAnd Brisdull made it sound like she wasn't too impressed with Levi during her pregnancy with Tripp...so, why not name him Palin-Johnston, and then just drop the Johnston later?
I guess it was just for "show" b/c they told the world they would be getting married later on.
Sh'yeah, right. We TOTALLY believed that!
Good to discuss this, mainly so we can move on.
ReplyDeleteIf the MSM have no interest in the photos that show the non-pregnancy of Palin, why do we think anyone but us die-hards would care about the complexities and confusing "proof" re the ears, multiple babies, or any of these details?
I don't see how this issue contributes to our fast-disappearing likelihood of getting the hoax exposed and some questions answered by McCain and pals.
I guess the folks who want to untangle the details hope that a complete, air-tight story will lead to MSM coverage. But why would the forces that have so far blacked out coverage (of this issue AND the photos that prove that SP was not pregnant) suddenly relent if the ears mystery were solved?
This detail may be interesting to some of us, I guess interesting enough to squabble over, but seems unlikely to interest any newbies in this sad tale.
Our window for accountability for the hoax and its media blackout is fast disappearing as SP fades away.
I too would love to know ASAP whether "Fred" has important info that will move things forward or not.
Gryphen, being a Pediatric Nurse Practitioner and having worked with many parents of special needs children, a "ruffled ear" would not be considered a priority when a child was born with a cardiac defect. With a premie, we would be far more interested in getting him to the proper weight,evaluating his cardiac status and clearing up the alleged jaundice he was said to have.
ReplyDeleteAs you said in your post, Gryphen, we know that Sarah did not do what was necessary as far as Trig's eyeglasses being worn on a regular basis. Also, didn't she take him to work with her for the first few months? Surely someone would have mentioned seeing him with the ear forms on. They would have been impossible to hide due to them usually having to be taped in place and worn for several hours at a time to remold the ear. I hope you don't mind but I sent the pics to my brother-in-law, he's an orthopedic surgeon. He's going to ask one of the ENT's he knows if this is a possible result using these forms as Brad said. I figured it couldn't hurt to have another opinion and he said he'd get back to me by the end of the day.
Can anyone picture Sarah Palin actually taking the time to take care of Trig's ears for cosmetic reasons when she didn't care enough about his eyes and his ability to see properly, and wouldn't follow doctor's orders regarding his vision? Why was she so concerned about keeping his ears covered in earlier pictures? Would a ruffled ear be so hard for her to handle others seeing when he is known to have Down Syndrome? That doesn't make a bit of sense but then nothing ever does when it comes to anything Palin.
Wow. Very interesting composite you just posted, which encapsulates exactly my sense about Trig:
ReplyDeleteOne Trig with a thick neck and droopy facial features..
One Trig with a more slender neck with better facial muscle control.
It's not just that Sarah presented Trig to the RNC as a human 'show and tell' exibit, but she also took him on her book tour.
Trig's appearances meant that he was subjected to flying around the country, rebreathing the canned oxygenated air within planes, enduring changes of atmospheric pressure on takeoff & landing.
To me, it defies credulity to believe that tiny Ruffles in May grew into the extremely hefty Rugged Trig the Palin's brought to the RNC convention.
Thanks Gryphen for all you do and have done.. because, to me, you always strike a correct and honest balance in the search for truth.
My heart goes out to these babies involved with this disgusting, lying, grifting family. Living a life of constant lies, afraid that at any moment it will all be exposed. I hope they think the money they have been paid is worth it. I, for one, would much rather be able to sleep with a clear conscience every night. Bristol has a horrible reputation as a slut, and she EARNED that. The reality shows, and the DWTS gigs, they were handed to her, no effort involved.
ReplyDelete4:32 Don't you have a meal to attend at Applebees with the happy, loving, laughing Palin clan??
ReplyDeleteThis two-three-or more Trig theory just muddies the waters. As a newcomer to the Babyhoax theology (LOL) I've just recently, after reading thru most of the archived stories on the blogs, plus Brad Scharlott's paper, come to believe that yes, Sarah did indeed fake her a pregnancy with Trig. But all this talk of "ruffles" and two or more Trigs just sounds nutty. Of course, SP is nutty, and a meglomanic who thinks the rules don't apply to her. So, keeping an open mind, but not really believing she switched babies. Too confusing.
ReplyDeleteThank you Gryphen. This latest tension has made me realize that I need to refocus my energy and life on my self and my home, but I will be here on IM for the duration too. And I notice that AKM did a recent post on the emails whose release is yet again being delayed, so I think that while she focuses on AK politics mostly now (and she should, especially Parnell) she is still there watching and waiting. I love your writing, I love reading about current events on your blog, I love reading about your daughter and you, and I will be here.
ReplyDeleteTriple Moon 6:05, reputable universities do NOT control what their faculty research or publish. In a very few instances where it has happened (Ward Churchill, U of Colorado), it has fed controversy for years.
ReplyDeleteI also think Trig's ear problems would have been mentioned in the CBJ letter, in Going Rogue, in speeches, or in other ways, but they never were. What, they don't count the way jaundice or a heart defect does? Unmentionable because they're cosmetic and icky? Who knows. But the fact that earforms were clearly not used in the first few weeks of "Trig's" life, and that ear problems were omitted from any discussion about him, makes me believe he is a different child from the one the public was introduced to in August 2008.
ReplyDelete@4:32, I am someone who can stomach going to the blog in question, and actually the majority of comments were in support of the blog and the guest poster, even in the face of inconvenient facts.
ReplyDeleteTrying to pretend it was a neutral or innocent action in having hosted that post in the first place is just silly.
I think it all boils down to P and K having particular theories and viewpoints, and Brad Scharlott's contentions fit in with those.
Just setting the stage for their planned work.
From the sound of things Gryphen had much communication with Brad Scharlott in the past on this whole thing, so I can hardly blame him for not feeling it necessary to communicate more just because Brad found refuge on another blog.
I applaud Gryphen for not going over there - you can imagine what you are missing, Gryphen. No need to visit.
Anonymous @6:01 A.M. what qualifies you to say the baby in the photo shows that he is jaundiced? He most certainly does not look as if he has jaundice. I'll hold my two decades of experience as a Pediatric Nurse and later as a Pediatric Nurse Practitioner up and say that he looks like a full term infant, NOT a premie. No professional would allow a premature infant with a compromised immune system and a noted cardiac deficiency to be passed around from one person to another without them being gowned and masked, not unless they want to lose their job. It wouldn't matter to me who it was, Governor or not, the rules remain in place because we are there to care for the infant, not worry about possibly upsetting the Governor's family. As far as jaundice goes, are you aware that it does not usually appear until several hours after birth and often lasts up to two weeks in premature infants? There is no sign of jaundice in any of the pics we've seen and the very idea that Palin took him to work with her is the height of ignorance considering he was allegedly premature with a compromised immune system and cardiac deficiency. Sarah is either the world's most ignorant and uncaring mother or that was not Trig that we saw at work with her.
ReplyDeleteSo now Gino is back in the picture? Is that what you're implying or do you truly not have a clue as to what you're talking about? I'm certain it's the latter.
@ 6:10, the ship sailed on "lets all be friends" quite a while ago. Perhaps you weren't around for that.
ReplyDeleteThe very tension you lament may represent a central aspect of the full story, one day.
This is true cloak and dagger. A woman with ties to Big Oil, the NeoCons and the establishment GOP had people scrub the internet on her behalf, all to make her more palatable to a national and even international audience - and God knows what else they did for her. This is not childs' play at all.
It's scary, and everyone being friends just isn't in the cards. I think we can live with it.
SP is capable of any and all deception. Despite the lack of investigation from journalists, the blog reporters have done an extraordinary job of showing SP as an unscrupulous person. SP is the poster child for conservatives, like Glen Beck is; but the public at large don't even think about her, except with disgust.
ReplyDeleteTank told you in May, but when did he actually see this child who you now say was 1 yr old?
ReplyDeleteInsurance would in fact pay for this birth defect just like they would pay for a clef lip or spina bifida.
6:00 stop with the conspiracy theory's..people at K&P's
blog are opened minded and did not all jump and agree with Brads theory.
6:10 agree..everyone should keep an open mind and look at everything presented and stop bashing each other..Sarah loves when that happens!
Glad to see Next Chapter comment. Her www.PalinPeytonPlace.com site and blog has been a leader on the ears.
ReplyDeleteGawd?? Only leftist arguments are wrong?
ReplyDeleteLook at your writing! You use incorrect grammar and syntax and write at the level of a 13 year old or a very uneducated adult. The argument is " ignorant at its root?"
You really should stop your obsessive posts troll, one after another. It's obvious who you are, because you come across as so uneducated and low class!
Yet I wouldn't generalize about righties! You are an idiot! I guess you aren't aware of all the research showing that in general, people on the left are brighter and have more education. On the right, you have several groups. Extremely wealthy people who basically care about their own wealth and then morons line you who are so dense they don't understand economics enough to realize that by supporting right wing philosophies, you are only hurting yourself. You are the low information voter and all of your posts prove it. Uneducated trash who love Sarah and believe deformed ears "unfurl." Just fuck off if you can't discuss this without becoming partisan. You are such a dumb hick!
Mercede telling
ReplyDeletejohnny earlier that morning "Levi's still angry, he hunts every night"
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EVERY. SINGLE. POST????
Again, was Levi SOOO angry cuz you were knocked up with another dude's baby?
Come on, tell us since you know!!
Idjit.
How do we all know Trig had any heart problems? because Sarah said so??
ReplyDeleteWas there an explosion of DS babies that Sarah picked from and they just happened to look somewhat alike and the same size? Who is taking care of all these DS babies when Sarah's not using them as props?
6:05; very interesting idea - that Prof. Scharlott is playing with us all. Very possible. I was surprised to see him wade in to the turbulent "ruffles" waters and I think his rationale is weak.
ReplyDeleteI also think that we should not let the ear issue let us lose focus on the real issue: Sarah Palin's fake pregnancy.
6:10 am; I agree that Prof. Scharlott needs to consult and report from medical experts in the field. I could just as easily opine on Trig's ears if I spent enough time on the internet but I have no medical background and would never proffer my opinions as likely fact.
Off topic slightly but yesterday we had lunch with a large group that included a DS toddler. She was very well behaved at the table, ate small pieces and sipped from a juice box very nicely, communicated with everyone at the table with smiles, sign language and baby words. She was also very alert because she was wearing her glasses! Poor Trig. I suspect he doesn't get anything like the focused and loving care it is obvious this little girl receives from family and friends every minute of the day.
Investigating the existence of one or two Trigs (and Tripps)is fascinating. Both Gryphen and Prof. Scharlott are seeking the truth. Please stop the dissing.
ReplyDeleteWhile this is part of the big story, it is not an essential part of the main story: Sarah faked a pregnancy.
Of course we should investigate non-essential big story issues. What better way than blogs where someone puts out an opinion for review?
In fact, I wish more of you would tell us what you think or what you've heard rather that keeping it to yourselves. Gryphen, you were never obligated to tell me what Tank said a year ago, but I wish you had.
Babygaters can handle unconfirmed possibilities. Really. And we appreciate all of you who put yourselves out there for the cause of truth.
I'm not sure why this Brad got so much space anyway.
ReplyDeleteProfessor? Okay. Great.
Next.
I don't think what he says should de-rail anything. (I didn't frequent Laura's blog so I'm not really sure why this guy should be making any kind of impact.)
Evidence is evidence. Great.
Speculation is speculation. Fine.
But he doesn't appear to have any MORE evidence than anyone else.
He wrote a paper on the negligence of the media in following Babygate. And it got attention.
Some attention.
But mainly from people who already Follow Babygate!
We KNOW the media failed the public on the story.
THAT is your story, Brad.
Don't fall down the rabbit hole into Trig/Tripp theories.
Gryphen has been in the trenches for YEARS!
I think Brad has his own site?
Great. If I want to know what he thinks about ANYTHING, I will head over there. Otherwise, I could give a rat's ass.
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Opinions are like a$$holes, everyone's got one...
But I ain't seeking everyone's out!
;)
The trolls here blaming bad lighting and comparing the two babies theory to global warming deniers and 9/11 truthers just make me believe even more that there were two babies at some point. They're so obvious its laughable. But for those who can't detect trolls as easily as I can, here you go:
ReplyDelete5:05am
5:12am
5:13am
5:38am
5:48am
6:01am
And yes, one or all of these are Sarah/Bristol herself. More proof you are hitting too close to home. Keep pushing Gryphen.
I think you could take a ghostly outline of Tri's ear, adjust the size and angle as Brad did, and lay it over Sarah's ear so that they'd match up. That doesn't mean that Trig is Sarah, or that Sarah is his mother. It just means they have similar ears. Ditto with Trig and Ruffles.
ReplyDeleteNo one seems to be considering that Ruffles, like Trig, could have Heath Ears because he shares that part of Sarah's DNA.
For me, the greatest proof that there were two babies is the way the Palin Fairy Tale Troll always wears herself out commenting on these two-baby posts, telling us what to think and remember. And now we're being told that Gino is still in the picture? What? Did Bristol have his baby too?
Maybe Ruffles is just a stand-in baby, borrowed to fool the Johnstons - but to what end, who knows.
ReplyDeleteAnd I think it's a strong possibility that Tank lied to you - again, to what end, who knows.
6:55, who is a pediatric nurse practitioner, you make excellent points. Cosmetic defects would never be the priority over heart defects.
ReplyDeleteDid you see my post asking why on earth Sarah would correct an ear and not his eyes!
Pediatric audiologists want the child to be having auditory stimulation as soon as possible and as often as possible. It has always really bothered me that Trig isn't ever seen with hearing aids! And if Sarah is busy correcting Trigs defects,
why not a cochlear implant IF he is a candidate?
I heard he has a severe hearing loss, correct Jesse??
I don't work with those so I don't know the criteria, but I do know parents. And Sarahs pattern is obvious. Why correct an ear and not eyes? Why no glasses or hearing aids?
I'd love to hear what a few true specialists say about this.
I challenge Brad to talk to several pediatric audiologists and otologists before making 100% claims.
Thank you for speaking out on this contentious subject, Gryphen! You will always have my support.
ReplyDeleteWhy post links if you can't click them and go to the link???
ReplyDeleteAnother possibility is that the insufferable bitch used trig to cover-up her 'writ out" abortion.
ReplyDeleteshe could say, "See I wouldn't have an abortion because I "gave birth' to a ds child."
The very idea of her choosing means she had an option, she contemplated an abortion (which she admitted to doing.) What anti-choice person do you know say they chose?
I just found the Brad post to take another look as I had .
ReplyDeleteI am totally surprised as I believe he alters his posts. I wish I had taken screen shots.
The first time I read the 'first' post which contained the green & red circles, the pics were of the full shots of the babies i.e. the one at Cole's shower and the other two full pics. What I did note was that the third comparison pic had to be flipped and then rotated. My first reaction was that it was comparing was opposite ears.
Now when I look at that said post - there is no evidence of the need of flipping & rotating that third pic. No full baby pics. He continues to alter his posts whichout notation. (Wow - that speaks volumes as to anything he writes whether on Palin or his 'professional job'. Not credible or trusthworthy)
He acts surprised -- look what I found. Sorry Brad --- you're 3 years too late to the fucking party and many braincells short of intelligent. In fact -- you remind me of Palin -- Stunned & stupid in that you believed you could appear out of nowhere and make people believe you were 'real'. Sorry Asshole - you, like Palin - not everyone falls for your shit. You 'worked' it too fast, too hard and blew your cover.
I'm sorry for those that fell for this assholes 'friendliness'. Let it be a lesson on how people will 'work you'.
It also makes me raise the point to beware of the 'scam' person posting on 'older posts'.
I always start and end here. Enough said.
ReplyDeleteDidn't bs also say the insufferable bitch ran the half marathon (another lie?) I can't remember if it was him or him and McGinniss.
ReplyDeleteTriple Moon, I think you're on to something. I couldn't for the life of my figure out why BS would write such a post. It made now sense to me.
ReplyDeleteold news
ReplyDeleteHaven't had time to read all the comments yet, so forgive me if others have pointed this out. Just because a simple explanation is easier to grasp and accept doesn't mean it's the correct explanation, Occam's Razor or not. If you think simple is best, Herman Cain has a 999 plan for you!
ReplyDeleteI still don't know what to believe, except that Sarah Palin did not give birth to a baby in 2008. I appreciate all the research and theories discussed here.
~Pogo
Anon 6:05 Triple Moon
ReplyDeleteThank you for your well said post.
I too have those same feeling but when I post, I'm not 'politically correct' in that I lack the patience and I call 'em as I see 'em!!
He was three years late to the party and wormed his way in to hard, too fast and no doubt has ulterior motives, which of course have already began playing out. Hmmm - sounds just like Palin!!
It's unfortunate that all this discord has once again broken out between the blogs. I enjoy all the blogs for the information AND various "theories" shared - many well within the realm of being highly probable and some being just too "out there", and I include some of my own in that category.
ReplyDeleteAt times when you struggle to make sense of the truly bizarre - it seems inevitable that logic fails and shaky conjecture tries to "make it logical". I think in the end if the truth ever does emerge - it will come from Bristol, Levi, Mercede, etc., rather than Sarah Palin, or because of an investigation of a different area of Sarah Palin's abnormal behavior - and babygate is fully exposed secondarily to that.
I, for one, have never interpreted any of the "theories" or information put out there as "fact", and am surprised at the vehemence/anger, and blowback amongst and at the various bloggers, commenters, etc., when they shared their positions and the various information to support those positions.
For me, I look at these scenarios and think most of them have at least some aspects to them that are true and in the end we will see - the truth is probably a compilation of many different bits and pieces of the puzzle, and no ONE scenario IS the whole truth or the only truth, at this time.
I really do enjoy IM and learn so much about what's happening on the political scene. I feel tremendously uneasy when I see so much conflict on the different blogs, when, for the most part, I think they all are vital to the discussion, despite the different styles, voices, and approaches to the same story - our dear Ms. Palin.
EVERYBODY needs to slow down and understand, as far as the Hoax and the Babies, there is no ONE truth about it - YET.
I will say I did feel Brad S. was a unnecessarily disparaging of Gryphen when he didn't agree with his "Ruffles" theory. Unless I missed something, until Brad brought up the behind the scenes exchange between them - Gryphen didn't say anything negative about Brad S. And I say that, not in total disagreement with Brad's Ruffles/Ear theory - because I believe Ruffles is likely Trig, but to state the two babies theory can now be put to rest and diss other opinions is overreaching.
I also think I see unnecessary snark on some of the other blogs directed against Gryphen, when a lot of info from IM is used on those other blogs.
"Lighting helps create optical illusions.
ReplyDelete5:13 AM'
Yeah, right. trig's ear is an optical illusion that shows up no matter the angle or lighting. It's called reality not an optical illusion.
trig has an "optical illusion" ear. GTFOH
Who cares about stupid blog wars? If you find yourself running from blog to blog, demanding, accusing, causing drama, then it is probably time to step away from the keyboard. Commenters' entitlement has become the reality show of the Internet. Do bloggers have bias and attitude? Of course they do. Anything that involves humans (blogs, politics, religion, science, etc)involves bias and attitude. I come here because I enjoy Gryphen's perspective, appreciate his persistence, and generally agree with most of his bias and attitude. I don't go to blogs that irritate me, I disagree with, or that are hostile (including those with hostile, bullying, nasty comment sections). Why would I want to go some place that annoys me, frustrates me, or is antithetical to my core beliefs? The world has enough frustration and hostility. I see no reason to seek it out.
ReplyDeleteWhoa! Can't believe this hasn't been brought up before:
ReplyDeleteForget about the OUTER EAR shape, focus on the 'inner ear' (I know that's not a medically accurate way to describe it, but...)
While we've been looking at the OUTLINES of the ear, I think there's more proof in the visible shapes WITHIN that outline...
Every ear is very unique,,,not quite to 'fingerprint level', but perhaps.
Gryph,,, looking INSIDE the outer profile may be the key to this.
Well I for one always took you at your word, G, and knowing what the woman is capable of, just by her own demonstrations and admissions, wouldn't put it past her to create all kinds of hoaxes, like using two babies, or hiding the identity of various babies.
ReplyDeleteI've often wondered how long Trig stayed with the Palins during the whole campaign trail? Was he shuffled back and forth to rallies from Alaska at different times? Or did he stay with Sarah during the whole campaign? If he did travel with the Palins during the whole campaign route, a small DS child would have been stressed and tired and carried around from individual to another, without his comfy home crib, without a daily routine. That enough would be hard on any baby, let alone a DS baby. Their immune systems are weaker, compromised and in that environment would likely have picked up every germ imaginable.
Now, a back-up baby would solve that. And even then, it would still be cruel for two babies to have to carry out such a strenuous routine, jets, flights, crowds, noise, etc. But if there were two babies, it would relieve one baby from doing it all.
Whether one or two, the Palins still used a DS baby. Campaign, book tours, travel with SP while she was on the job jetting to speeches, and such. That baby has earned more air miles than he ever should have.
If she's got secrets that are so bad that she has to hide one twin, or one sibling, or any baby scenario, then she's not fit for any job.
Back to the ears; It looks highly suspicious by the two different sets of ears, that they could drastically change to such smooth round ears in such a short time. Ear molds would have been bulky, but would have been needful and seen in photos. Imagine a baby having to go through so many trials like that, and I just can't believe she wouldn't want to be with him all the time, being the one to take him to doctor appointments, feeding him, comforting him, holding him close to her. She could have quit the governorship then, and it would have been "the right thing to do". And Alaska would have understood. But she quit later because poor Sarah was such a victim from all those ethics charges.
You say people who saw and held this baby might have missed it..meaning the defective ear. If it was as defective as the photo shows how could Levi and Mercede miss it. Fathers, mothers and relatives notice everything, they check to see if they have all their fingers and toes..no on would nave missed it! They are either keeping silent or the picture is defective(lights and shadows) and the ear is not as defective as it appears..
ReplyDelete"Why would a baby need a haircut? Surgery?
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My god, use your brain. The pic still shows a deformed ear also why leave the rest of the hair in place? It looks like natural new born hair growth to me.
All I know is that Scharlott and Laura WERE close and friendly.
ReplyDeleteThen came Scharlott's defection to the SS Po'gates.
Scharlott's blog AND Po'gates came off Laura's blog roll list.
And Laura made her "I'm done" swan song post.
It's obvious based on this and other events, the Po'gates headliners are once again leaving the same trail of chaos, deception, and grade school cliquishness in their wake.
I applaud Gryphen for addressing only what is germane to this ongoing and complex investigation.
Just another thought/observation - I first came to IM prior to the '08 elections, and had not really gotten into reading much politics online. During the time I have spent here, I really haven't seen a whole lot of dissing of the other blogs by Gryphen, for the most part, there's been very little and usually as a response to some heavy duty uncalled for criticism against him.
ReplyDeleteI appreciate many different anti-Palin sites, liberal political sites and stay on top of what the hate sites spew, too. It does make me feel sad that there's so much criticizing of each other, new commenters, etc., and
"clique-like" behavior that goes on.
You got an illiterate Palin posting by 5:05 a.m.!
ReplyDeleteYou go Gryphen, I'm with you all the way. You've really got the trolls out today and I include in those the folks that are anti-Palin but are unable to be objective because of their blind loyalties. Yes, unfortunately our side has them too.
ReplyDeleteBrad has lost all credibility with me. I've closely followed all the information, from multiple sites since day one and now he's the supposed expert? Definitely not. I don't know what his problem is, and while I do appreciate his calling attention on Babygate to the MSM but think he's gone off the rails now.
I'm wondering if Laura agrees since she won't be commenting on it anymore unless a bombshell appears.
For those of you who've been at it as long as I have, you'll remember Bree's excellent blog & the posts & pictures she had up of the multiple Trigs. Floyd also comparative pictures up. There were three Trigs, labeled: Ruffles ear, Round ear & Batwing ear. The current Trig has the Batwing ear. Babies ears just don't shape shift like that.
Even leaving out Ruffles (and how can you?), perfectly flat round ears don't magically turn into ears that stick out at the top (Batwing ears. Just because Sarah & Bristol are both "shape shifters" I guess they feel that it's ok for their babies to be also. They're so ignorant, they think no one will notice or care. They're wrong.
"G, your closed-mindedness of identical to that of global warming supporters. THEY say man has caused it"
ReplyDeleteYou idiot, it's said that man contributes to climate change. You and the rest of the trolls are uneducated and because of your lack of education and insight you shouldn't be on this post. It verify your ignorance and lack of common sense, clown.
You are completely and thoroughly ignorant for comparing trig to climate change.
Get off you fucking high horse. You palinidiotbots believe anything that the genuine fraud throws in your face, including she is able and willing to run for president.
How did that money donations, family vacation, history lesson, shrink wrap circus working for ya? Imbecile.
Next Chapter, I looked at all the pics you posted but what jumped out at me was the note from Palin's doctor. It makes no sense that she would talk about Trig as much as she did in that letter when it was supposed to be about Palin's medical status and her ability to serve as V.P. Also, why would she talk about his last visit when she wasn't his pediatrician? The more I look at that letter, the more certain I am that Sarah had someone else write it and CBJ went along with it rather than raise a fuss due to whatever they were holding over her head. I can't imagine any reputable physician throwing their medical career away in order to help Palin fake a pregnancy unless they roped her into it and she was unable to walk away without doing further damage to her own reputation.
ReplyDeleteIs there anything Palin does that doesn't indicate deception?
I have read this post several time and I do not see Gryphen being arrogant.
ReplyDeleteHe explains extensively why he believes what he does (doctor reports and witnesses.) how is that making him to be ignorant or arrogant. He might be stubborn or hard headed but not arrogant. So if someone doesn't believe in what you are selling they are not arrogant and ignorant.
Why does he even need to explain anything to some of you. All you all do is tote bones back and forth causing trouble and making this division that now applies. Where are the rules that he has to put links to other blogs, why should he after all the sniping from these same blogs.
If you don't like what he writes stay the hell away and stop causing trouble. I have not read the professors post and probably won't but that is my decision, doesn't mean I am arrogant.
Gryphen reported what he found to be accurate at the time. Dr.s, witnesses and other information not his personal opinion, spin or might of, could have, should have.
How do you place someones opinion over what trained professionals see as they look at the same photographs? You all keep saying the ear unfurling, you are missing the point the ear is missing cartilage its not just folded.
Go for the facts, not someones opinion unless that persons opinion is based on facts. If you want to discredit Gryphen counter him on the points he has made in the post if you want to try to change his mind. So far I have not seen one post that has challenged him on how he reported the findings or how he got them.
Stop trying to make people choose between different bloggers now that is ignorant and arrogant. For someone you all find arrogant you sure do a lot of snooping and commenting. Grow up already and stop this petty bullshit.
If you all were proud of your post and the points you are trying to make why not use your same name instead of anonymous like you do on the other blogs, now that is cowardice.
Whoa Gryph, that collage you posted the link to?! That is WILD! The various Trigs look so incredibly different from each other, I just can't believe $P took such insane risks. And I can't believe nobody in her 'camp' took notice.
ReplyDeleteThe bottom two rows, the ones that show a normal necked Trig and then a very thick necked Trig? Such different looking children, your eyes barely believe what is right in front of your eyes.
What ever happened to the picture of Gina Louden sitting in a church holding a toddler with a ruffled ear? That seemed like a real smoking gun.
ReplyDeleteI get it, Gryphen.
ReplyDeleteIt IS a complicated story for the people who haven't been following it from the start.
But you have done/been doing an excellent job trying to keep it all put together, even for people who don't read your blog every day.
Don't stop now!! We need you more than ever to finish this up and expose that Pathetic Pig!
Gryphen, I put a lot of thought into the comment I submitted earlier today. If the reason It's not showing up now is that you found it offensive or inappropriate in some way, I'd really like to know why, as I really do try my best to be fair.
ReplyDelete(If on the other hand it was just some technical hiccup and the intertoobs ate my homework, in the immortal words of Emily Litella - "Never mind!")
Hi, this is Sarah...dang it I luv this site! Everyone bickering and fighting over who's ears are who's and 1,2,3 or 4 babies. If my ring is in the lake or not, who has the DWTS baby -Willow, Bristol or Track and his (maybe) new wife. Who had the latest plastic surgery or which of my wigs is nastier than the next. Luv it when your all bashing each other and staying out of my closet of secrets, and boy do I have them locked up and paid for. Remember Jesse, Tank was being paid by Levi and ME also too. Snark ...but true.
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ReplyDeleteI appreciate everything that you have contributed to the long saga of SP. I have been with your blog since I heard her name (nationally). We are all entitled to our own opinions and I respect your opinion. You researched this and even if it turns out that Ruffles is Trig then so be it. Do you think you would be the first to have to take back what you thought to be true;)
I am disappointed with the way BS brought up his theory. He did not have to talk about you at all. All he had to do was tell us his theory. I see what he is talking about but it still raises a million more questions. That baby in August was HUGE.
He also is not happy with anyone who doesn't agree with him which is his right as well although I think he sounds a little on the snippy side which really surprises me because I didn't see that when he was posting on Laura's blog. I really don't do PGs because of the past so I have no idea how he is there but I did see he blogged there.
This has been a long long journey and I am not really sure the birth saga will ever come to light. It has been disappointing to say the least.
You all have dedicated a lot of your lives for US not the other way around. I am shocked that people have come here and said such mean things to you. Yes, you are a big boy & can take it but it does make me mad. You did NOT ever have to share your work with us.
At any rate, I am in your corner because I just like your blog (comments - maybe not so much). Keep it up & don't let anyone get you down. You deserve a medal!
DebinOH
6:29 a.m. Said: "Doctors can't diagnose a patient they've never met. I would hope you would have known that. It's the first rule of psychology. Is it for other fields of medicine.
ReplyDeleteAnd I wouldn't use Laura's friend as a tried and true source either. HE said the plane/blue sweater baby wasn't DS, when that baby looks like all the other Trig pictures out there. "
WHAT??? Of course a doctor can diagnose a patient they haven't met. The rest of that paragraph is illogical. And the plane/blue sweater baby DOES NOT look at all DS or like ANY of the other Trig pictures "out there", even though no one mentioned that picture. The author of this comment seems to have poor writing skills and an interest in hiding the identity of the baby on the plane.
Please do not think I am just trying to throw gasoline on this fire, but some of your readers may wish to revisit this theory espoused by Dr. Brad Scharlott at Laura Novak's blog on 9/29/11. I began to see his professionalism swirl the drain when I first read this post.
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What normal person would take a picture of their pregnant belly and publicly show it but don't have a pic of her holding tripp after his birth?
ReplyDeleteThe whole family is weird and dysfunctional.
Tell me trolls, how does arnold s. have a son that looks exactly like him and nobody suggests that it's arnold's kid? That cover-up lasted for ten years.
There are a number of people who are fooled when the facts are just under their noses.
oh yeah, trolls what's stupid are your racist, stupid birthers.
Gryphen, thank you for this post. Yesterday I read Brad Scharlott's post about the ear form thing and thought "WTF?" I didn't like his tone, which was like "I'm the PhD in the room so listen to me instead of that other guy," and it really turned me off. Ego. Yuck.
ReplyDeleteAnd he wasn't even very convincing.
I appreciate how you've approached the subject -- carefully pursuing truth. You are about getting to the truth. He seems to be about wanting to be important.
After reading some of the post, I must have missed something.
ReplyDeleteSome of you are talking about who all at the hospital were doing a cover up on the birth of Trig.
(1) When has the hospital ever came out and said that Palin delivered a baby at the hospital that day?
(2) When had the Dr's, nurses at the hospital say that she gave birth that day at that hospital?
(3) Have I missed pictures of Palin laying in a bed being a patient after giving birth?
Please advise me of my missing those very crucial 3 questions. As far as I know if you knock off family, friends of what they say you have not one professional that says she gave birth to that baby.
So how is the hospital in on the hoax? Unless I have missed something everyone is assuming that the hospital is involved in the hoax when in actuality they have not stated anything.
All I have seen is the grandparents, Levi, and others reportedly in a hospital holding a baby that was reportedly Trig.
Did I miss something please point me in the right direction?
I am still on the fence in this baby thing but leaning towards a hoax of some type. I have many years in dealing with facts and that is how I make my decisions so please tell me if I have missed some crucial evidence in reference to what I stated above.
I honestly don't have the expertise to know if ears can unfurl or not, if they can be corrected by "earforms," or when a baby is eligible for such surgery. I do, however, know that in four months, that tiny little waif we see in Sadie's arms in May would not grow into that huge baby we see in Willows arms at the RNC. That kind of size increase would be unbelievable with a healthy, normal child. Throw in the prematurity, the defective heart, the DS which causes feeding problems, and I have to say, NO WAY.
ReplyDeletePersonally, I believe the baby at the RNC is Trig. I also occasionally see a baby who is not Trig being passed of as if it is (Sarah herself admitted to this ploy to discredit a journalist who wrote a brutally honest portrayal of her). So if Sarah "borrowed" a baby and passed it off as Trig once, why would we not suspect she did it at other times?
Now we don't see Trig at all. Why not? In the last 10 months we have seen 2 photos of the child, one with his face turned away. When Sarah wished him "happy birthday" she posted a photo from the summer of 2010. So please, Palin Fairy Tale Troll, do tell us why.
Could it be possible there were twins and they both had different degrees of DS? While one was being shown in public the other was getting his ear fixed? One light hair one dark hair, one skinny and preemie looking and the other chubby? One family is raising one while someone else is raising the other? There diffidently looks like 2 different kids but are they twins?
ReplyDeleteI only saw one possibility of a hint on this in blogs unless I overlooked some:
ReplyDeleteFor past decades when we have an infant with any anomaly of the ears(lower, malformed, uneven location on the two sides of the head, etc.)
the immediate alert is a liklihood of kidney problems.
There already is always the red flag for DS infants of heart problems, so coupled with kidney issues, if that was the case, then this would be a "fragile" infant in need of care and treatment for these maladies.
Personally, I always figured the possibility, especially with hints and different references, not always clear ones, of infant returned to hospital, elongated hospital care, NICU, jaundice etc. that the ruffled ear baby succumbed to multiple organ involvements, and is no longer among us.
On the fringes of this speculation we still have the unsolved, still undocumented investigative follow up, of the death of the MatSU hospice (former NICU) nurse whose home burned and she was transported to Harborview Hospital Burn Unit in Seattle without ever regaining consciousness.
If this all doesn't make you go hmm-mm-m, then I have nothing more to share with those of you who aren't contemplating possibilities.
Anon 4:32
ReplyDeletePlease re-read this post for reading comprehension purposes.
So ask yourself WHY would she bother to fix an imperfect ear, on a soon to be famous imperfect child?
ReplyDeleteWhy would Palin fix the ears of a newborn DS infant when she doesn't do the simple things like put on his glasses or put sox on him when he was an infant?
Thank God that SarahPac is paying for a 24/7 nanny for Trig or he would just disappear like the first Ruffles did.
I hadn't seen the picture of Mercede holding Triggy Bear which bears the "Family" heart. Mercede would have no connection to the Palins, other than the fact that Levi was dating Bristol. For Mercede to show that degree of affection for the baby of the mother of her brother's girl friend is really a stretch. I don't care if she claims that she never saw a baby before, or that she is a lovey-huggy kind of person. That kind of affection would be more normal if it was Levi's baby, not Sarah's. Which is what we all pretty much thing, anyway.
ReplyDeleteAbout the ears: Different lighting can change the appearance of the ears. If Trig was getting light therapy, we have no idea what other physical needs and therapy he required. They had every opportunity to straighten the ear(s) if they wanted to. Sarah may have wanted it done to make him appear more photogenic, since she saw the advantage of using Trig as her "Right to Life" prop.
One baby, two babies, it really doesn't matter. The story that always made the most sense was that Bristol was pregnant and was conveniently out of sight at a time when her pregnancy would have shown. There were already rumors of her being pregnant, rumors that Sarah told Bailey to try to stop. Bristol had her phone taken away by Sarah because Sarah thought that Bristol was pregnant, as described in Bristol's My Space comments in May, 2007.
Sarah Palin created a fictional image of herself as defined by her family when the truth of Track and Bristol's behavior did not support that image. It is doubtful that Sarah gave birth to Trig. With a history and a pattern of so much deception, it doesn't really matter if it is one baby or two babies. Maybe a frail baby wasn't up the the rigors of a 2 month VP campaign. Maybe the frail baby didn't have DS after all, but Fetal Alcohol Syndrome, a disgrace after God wrote Trig's birth announcement and the Right to Life people were applauding Sarah for having a DS baby. Maybe there was a frail baby who just couldn't play the role he was supposed to, and they needed a healthier child.
It is a pity that Tripp was probably conceived to spite Sarah for taking away Trig. Tripp was used to prove that Sarah gave birth to Trig, a lame argument idea. It only proved that Bristol was sexually active. Where the Palins are concerned, everything about them is as fake as the latest thing plopped on Sarah's head that is called a hairdo. Yes, I would like to know the truth of the Trig-and-Tripp stories. What is surprising is that Sarah is able to enforce silence when someone who knows the facts of the story stands to collect millions from National Enquirer for the Story of the Year! It is hard to imagine them keeping Sarah's secret when they stand to really cash in, something that Sarah knows a thing or two about since she quit her governor's job to cash in herself.
I'd like some more information about the theory that the ruffled ear is missing cartilage. Just how certain is the doctor who told you this was the case? I see a deformation of the shape of the outer edge of the ear, not missing tissue.
ReplyDeleteOn what basis did the doctor determine that cartilage is actually missing rather than just being the normal soft newborn stage? Until the baby is born, maternal estrogen keeps the cartilage soft (and that's a good thing for everyone involved as the baby is pushed through the birth canal!) After the baby is born, the cartilage gradually firms up.
Folded over or floppy ears are not that unusual in a newborn. (I just read through a thread on the subject on a Mothering internet board, from 2006.) The ruffled edge we see looks perhaps little more serious, but the underlying biology is not different - there just isn't a rigid cartilage structure there at that age.
Scharlott's enthusiasm has gotten way out ahead of his evidence and his logic, but that doesn't make you right by default, Gryphen.
My take is still that the limited photographic evidence we have is not enough to either prove or eliminate the two-babies theory.
I wonder how much $$ BS is possibly on the receiving end from now aligning with a certain site.
ReplyDeleteI found it beyond alarming quite some time ago with the numerous what I will call 'money bombs' which appeared to provide quite the income for the parties. It became what appeared for comparison to a monthly PAC fundraiser. When figures of receiving thousands are announced with an 'thank you', the motives and 'cred' change -- not in the way that is beneficial.
@8:16 AM
ReplyDelete"I also think I see unnecessary snark on some of the other blogs directed against Gryphen, when a lot of info from IM is used on those other blogs."
I agree. I don't understand the level of vitriol either. There are some commenters there who seem to want to instigate something against Gryphen. (Vinny for one), and they keep pushing. It's a major turn off for me. I don't go there very often for that reason.
I was surprised at the professor's tone and dismissal of IM and the ear posts. It really seemed strange to me. At the time I did wonder if there was an ulterior motive. Seemed like he was saying, nothing to see here, move along.
R in NC
@Game of Life 8:22 AM
ReplyDelete"My god, use your brain. The pic still shows a deformed ear also why leave the rest of the hair in place? It looks like natural new born hair growth to me."
Can you please lose the attitude?It's really not necessary.
@ Ghostbuster- I really liked your comments over at Brad's blog.
ReplyDelete@Floyd - Yup again!! ; ))
Brad's expertise is in the area of journalism and communication. That is why his Spiral of Silence concept was so helpful. BUT...
He has been over-reaching for a while. His insistence on using the null hypothesis as a tool to deal with the ear controversy is ill advised and downright manipulative. We can use statistics to tell any story we like. Just for starters, check out the book "How to Lie with Statistics" by Darrell Huff. There are many other critiques of these methods and their usefulness in varied situations.
"......There is no evidence that Sarah was ever a good mother.
ReplyDeleteShe anointed herself a "small town hockey mom" no one else did. She couldn't even be bothered to stick to her responsibilities as her son's chauffeur....."
Nobody in town never went on record or gave examples about Sarah being a good mother. We only hear about her going to her room and sending the kids out to get her Taco Bell or the having the kids fend for themselves.
Even today Sarah's life is about Sarah and what can she do for herself.
What college is Bristol or Track enrolled in? They have been out of high school for several years. It is being questioned if Track even has a HS diploma. Everybody in town believes Sarah pulled governor strings to get Bristol her HS diploma.
What about Willow? What high school is she enrolled in? She is suppose to be home schooled by Sarah but we see pictures of Willow hanging out with Bristol in Los Angeles.
Piper missed a lot of school being used as Sarah's prop.
Any parent would want to see their kids excel and we all must agree that we may have 5 kids and chances are maybe one of them is a trouble maker, but in Palin's case, all her kids are uneducated rotten apples that are very lucky to have their mom as a mayor or governor to keep them out of prison.
This says a lot about Sarah Palin the mother, she is not the mother of one bad apple but she is the mother of a basket full of rotten to the core turd apples.
Interesting article on DS twins.
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@ AKRNC
ReplyDeleteI agree that CBJ letter is also a huge red flag that sent me on the side of the 'Sarah Palin Pregnancy Hoax'. If it wasn't an issue, why go into detail about it at all?
If you are able to talk to a EENT MD, could you print out the 'merged ear' picture and take it to him? I would love to be able to get verification to see if this might be a repaired ear for Ruffles. It appears that way to me, but a professional could give more insight to it.
What I have been trying to point out, is that it still shows that there are clearly two babies that are being interchanged like a pair of shoes. Round-ear Trig is the only baby I have seen in the later pictures since the RNC, and those pictures are becoming fewer and fewer.
If Sarah Palin was truthful about Trig, then why would she stay silent and let bloggers, movies and books be written about her that literally destroyed her chances of being POTUS and make her look like the village idiot? Sarah could of let Dr. CBJ speak up and tell her story of the Wild Ride events, Sarah could of taken a lie detector test or went public and answered questions.
ReplyDeleteSarah won’t even take a lie detector test and claim the free money to prove Todd and Sarah has been faithful to each other. There is also another pot of money out there Sarah could collect if she proves if she is Trig’s birth mother but as we can all see Sarah is silent about this as well as she is silent about Glen Rice and Sarah’s cocaine binge.
Sarah’s beliefs are that if she ignores these allegations they will simply disappear.
Sarah we got news for you…. They are not going away and neither are we.
Gryphen, just got an email from my brother-in-law. He spoke to the ENT, showed him the dozen or so pics I sent of Trig with ruffled ears and with perfectly formed ears. He said that would be impossible to do with the plastic ear forms over a four month time period. He said the only way you could get to the perfect ear would be through surgery but there was not enough excess tissue from what he noted in the ruffled ear to form such a perfect rounded fold around the outer ear. He does not do this type of surgery as it is considered cosmetic unless it interferes with the ability to hear properly. However, he said that a plastic surgeon would need to use a mechanism that stretches the skin around the ear in order to form the fold as it is seen in the later pics. As far as regular ear forms go, he said they must be initiated to correct simple folds, etc. within THREE DAYS OF BIRTH in order for them to be effective because that is when the cartilage is still pliable. There was a bit more detailed info but this was the easiest part to translate into layman's terms. He said that there was no possible way that he knew of to change an ear in four months time without plastic surgery and a reputable surgeon would NEVER operate at that age. I almost forgot the most important part. In order for the ear forms to function properly, not only do they need to be initiated within 3 days of birth but need to be worn whenever the infant is sleeping, which we know is the majority of the time. Have we ever seen a pic of Trig with an ear form in place? Anybody?
ReplyDeleteLet's put it this way: there are some who have a vested interest in discrediting Gryphen, or putting him in a bad light. Draw your own conclusions as this tale unfolds.
ReplyDelete(Ahem)
ReplyDeleteStop, just stop talking about ears and babies. Who are you going to believe, your eyes or me, an anonymous poster who really wants you to stop focusing on whether Sarah gave birth to Trig?
Everyone knows you can't diagnose a baby from a distance. Just like you can't say that Sarah is a sociopath with narcissistic tendencies and possible manic depression. And you can't say that Todd sleeps with prostitutes and has a Napoleon complex. Nope, you can't say any of those things.
One thing I can say is that Gino is a great father figure to Tripp, much better than all those other father figures Bristol brought in and out of Tripp's short life. Gino is a most amazing young man who doesn't care one bit that Bristol won't sleep with him or have any kind of sexual contact with him. Nope, Gino, unlike most young men, couldn't care less about sex as long as he has Bristol. What an amazing young man!
No wonder you're a "leftist," Gryphon. You are much too thoughtful and intelligent. You enjoy reading and doing research and you don't just sit back and let somebody else tell you what to think. That is such a "leftist" thing to do.
Floyd at 8:54, LOL. I agree totally!
ReplyDelete"Why would a baby need a haircut? Surgery?
ReplyDelete5:33 AM"
My god, use your brain. The pic still shows a deformed ear also why leave the rest of the hair in place? It looks like natural new born hair growth to me.
8:
Dear Game of Life, don't be so fucking rude. The photo I'm referring to is the one dated 10-02-08. It does not have a deformed ear.
Jesse, I'm sorry Brad has insulted you. But didn't you insult him?
ReplyDelete"If we just make shit up, and act like insane people, then by definition we are insane people."
This says a lot about Sarah Palin the mother, she is not the mother of one bad apple but she is the mother of a basket full of rotten to the core turd apples.
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LOL, worth repeating don't cha agree Sarah?
Those Palin girls aren't the marrying kind, they are just breeders.
Who in hell would marry a Palin girl?
Excellent summary of the current state of the ear investigation. Thank you.
ReplyDelete9:52..Why would any of the other bloggers have a vested interest in discrediting Jesse? WTH does that mean?
ReplyDeleteRest In Peace Ruffles
ReplyDeleteBrad's essay isn't making sense to me. He seems to say the photos prove there is one Trig. Maybe they do. I didn't see it, but I'm not trained to see things that Brad probably does.
ReplyDeleteMy problem is that he doesn't refute any of Jesse's arguments. Jesse said ear forms wouldn't work (with details as to why) and Brad asserts they do without explanation or references. Sure - ear forms work on the right problem, but Jesse asserted ear forms wouldn't work on this kind of ear. Brad doesn't address that.
Perhaps Jesse & Brad are both correct - and there is a twin, possibly identical twin, out there. That is another explanation.
What I really don't understand is Brad's insistence on refuting Jesse's two-babies theory, without addressing any of Jesse's evidence. Why is he so invested i this. It doesn't make sense. Why not let the two theories float - each is backed up by credible evidence.
I'm not one who thinks the University would not want him to do this. I assume Brad has tenure. But I'm perplexed by the vehemence of his argument and seeming need to discredit the two-baby theory without addressing the basis for the two-baby theory (not just hte pictures, but the comments by reputable doctors).
Curious.
Lucy
like everyone else i watched when Palin was introduced at the RNC in 2008.when Trig was introduced i noticed that he did not startle or cry when the audience responded. here is why in my opinion.
ReplyDeletehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TkuwjTZRYKo
The "investigative" work on babygate has faltered badly in many places but not here on IM.
ReplyDeleteSome blogs do have interesting posts and interesting comments. And comments with the tone "I disagree and here's my logic" ALWAYS get my attention. The comments belittling other people's work are just are not worth my time to read.
Snark is always fun, but a flame directed at some other blog really only exhibits immaturity. I'm afraid the flamers are unaware how unintelligent they appear.
Thanks for all that you do, G.
@9:52 - but why would B.Scharlott be invested in discrediting Gryphen? I'm not saying you are wrong in your insinuations - I'm just saying there's some information missing. It doesn't make sense.
ReplyDeleteLucy
As I understand B.Scharlott's explanation, he was frustrated with Gryphen because Gryphen didn't agree with him about hte ears? Why should he be so invested.
Anon @6:01
ReplyDelete"It's too bad Bristol was set on Levi then because currently, Gino is proving to be an EXCELLENT father figure to Tripp and he's mature and loves Tripp's whole family."
Holy crap! Bristol can't hold onto a "father figure" for more than a month or so at a time! How many "father figures" has Tripp had in his short life? Levi, then Gino, then Levi, then Gino with maybe a few others thrown in. Tripp's "father figures" are barely more than one-night stands. Talk about instability.
"Gino..loves Tripp's whole family". Yeah, right. Keep telling yourself that, Sarah.
I believe the top row of "trig pics" isn't trig at all but trig stand ins.
ReplyDeleteSo many have missed what would be a fact:
ReplyDeleteIf Ruffles was truly Trig, why would Sarah 'fix' the ear?
Sarah's method of operation is to use anything and everything she can to play the 'victim'. The 'ruffled ear' would add to that 'Palin treasure chest of victimhoods'
9:25..I see Jesse also has a Pay Pal on his site, how much money does he bring in and I remember him thanking people and telling what he bought with the money..really don't think you should worry what is DONATED to either blog.
ReplyDeleteMore musing about B.Scharlott. I always thought his TRUTH-O-METER question was odd. He asked it in a way that made it virtually impossible for anyone to collect UNLESS Trig really is Sarah's and she brought forth the evidence.
ReplyDeleteHe asked for proof that Sarah gave birth to Trig on April 18, 2008.
It would be easier to present proof that Sarah did not give birth to Trig. The birth mother could come forward. Someone might have proof of a tubal ligation. Someone might have spotted her somewhere where she couldn't be. Even a DNA analysis would be easier (I think) - if anyone can get their hands on DNA.
I always found this curious. Now I'm finding Brad curious. The post linking Trig's chin to Mike. The truth o'meter. And now presenting his 2-trig-NOT theory without addressing Jesse's evidence.
There may be good explanations for all these things. Things just keep getting curioser and curioser.
First off great post, Gryph. You are in the right to defend your research from those who would seek to discredit you. You tell it like you see it and that is why I have always come back to your blog. While it seems like every other significant participant in this SP 'ecosystem' have sought to cash in - McGinniss, Devon, Bailey, Novak, Litman, and yes even Scharlott - you are one of the few who don't have (at least as far as I know) some sort of deal in the works to help yourself profit off of this phenomenon. All of those I mentioned seem to have one hand in the pot and the other on the keyboard/typewriter. To me that shows why you are really in this - to expose the truth. For that I thank you.
ReplyDeleteOh, and Floyd I totally agree. Scharlott seemed to start going completely off the rails when he (not so subtly) suggested that Trig may be somehow related to Wooten. That post was so bad that I even started to suspect that Scharlott may be actually trying to (after first gaining the trust and acceptance of) those seeking to expose SP's hoax. He seems to have ulterior motives.
I think the number of "hits" by trolls is commensurate with how close you are to the truth.
ReplyDeleteThe comments by the trolls are so transparent, they are laughable.
That there is an army of Sarah trolls out there was proven by the heffalump winning 3rd place on DWTS.
Keep on it Gryph. No deception as big as Sarah's and Bristles' babygate will stay hidden forever. The more we keep chipping away at the inconvenient facts of Sarah's many deceptions, the closer to the truth we come.
Look on the bright side: Sarah will never be elected to any public office. She may lose her "throne" at Faux. And the Palin family will have to continue to lie and try to cover up those inconvenient facts for the rest of their lives. It ain't over yet.
Floyd M Orr:
ReplyDeleteYou continue to be a well thought out voice of intellectual grace and reasoned detail. I'm glad to see you "back" at the IM.
That a tiny baby: Ruffles/Trig was given the job of appearing at RNC & Book Tour events is deplorable.
ReplyDeleteWho was it that wanted Trig there for all those appearances? The RNC or Sarah Palin?
All those TPers elected.. Sarah was quite the star for a very long time.
So Gryphen, again thanks for all you have written here at IM over the years.
Much appreciated.
the only thing I am sure of is that the quitter did not give birth on april 18, 2008. 1 baby, 2 babies, 3 or 4, she is a congenital liar and a nutcase.
ReplyDeleteDid a doctor compare the photo from Frank Bailey's book to the later photos? Or were your conversations with doctors based only on the earlier photo of the girl holding the baby?
ReplyDeleteJust because someone disagrees with you doesn't mean they are "turning" on you!
ReplyDeleteYou have to be open to every possibility if you ever want to get to the truth.
Anonymous said, "Brad's essay isn't making sense to me. He seems to say the photos prove there is one Trig."
ReplyDeleteBrad is not saying the photos prove there is one Trig. Rather he is disagreeing that the photos prove there are multiple Trigs, because the babies pictured could possibly be the same. That's all. Nothing crazy.
The babies ears have visibly improved between the early photos and the photo from Frank Bailey's book. This doesn't definitively prove anything, but could suggest some kind of treatment was under way. The fact that the baby didn't appear in public with "earforms" or some other type of device could mean that Palin was self concious about the babies appearance. I really can't see why she would be, but it strikes me that him not wearing glasses or hearing aids in public actually supports this idea rather than contradicts it.
ReplyDeleteI don't know what the truth is and don't pretend to know. I hope we all find out some time.......in my lifetime. :-)
The citizen from Alaska has been and always will be the most divisive politician in history.
ReplyDelete@Floyd M. Orr, I agree 100%! I was repulsed and confused by that post.
ReplyDelete@tewise: I worked in a large hospital in Manhattan where many celebrities have had babies. When they came into the hospital and were noticed, word went around like wildfire that a celebrity was in house. There is no HIPAA law that says you can’t say who you saw coming into the maternity ward, or elsewhere. When Michael J. Fox had a baby at our hospital, the news traveled through the entire hospital in little time. While people involved in the medical care could not give details about the mother or child, the fact that they were THERE could not be contained.
@R in NC: I agree completely.
@Lucy 10:19 am: I agree…”Why is he so invested in this?” Something is not right here.
JaniceG
Means, motive, and opportunity
ReplyDeleteFrom Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
In US Criminal law, means, motive, and opportunity is a popular cultural summation of the three aspects of a crime needed to convince a jury of guilt in a criminal proceeding. Respectively, they refer to: the ability of the defendant to commit the crime (means), the reason the defendant had to commit the crime (motive), and whether or not the defendant had the chance to commit the crime (opportunity).
The crime: Sarah Palin faked the birth of her alleged youngest child, Trig.
The means: Sarah was governor of Alaska and had the support of high level politicos and LE. eg. troopergate, dairygate. She herself has said she can do whatever she wants until a court of law says she can't. Her tenure in all of her "jobs" underscore her penchant for doing the outrageous and expecting and getting coverup, because of her power and authority. To have the means to fake a birth would require a baby and an authority to back up the faked birth, in this case Dr. CBJ and the place for the birth to take place, the small and obscure Mat-Su Regional, where apparently only Dr. CBJ was in attendance.
The motive: to cover for her oldest daughter who had given birth to a premature handicapped infant with DS. to claim the special needs child as her own for insurance purposes. to highlight her pro-life credentials (an added bonus).
The opportunity: a strange midnight flight by-passing all highly qualified birthing centers to "deliver" the baby by Dr. CBJ under cover of darkness at Mat-Su, where curiously, only family was witness to the birth - no records or other eye-witness accounts.
For Sarah to perpetrate this hoax requires the secrecy of her family, at least Todd and Bristles, and probably Willow, and Dr. CBJ. All these co-conspirators have reasons to remain silent.
That all public records of this birth have been locked from public access, that the fires that killed Dar Miller and destroyed public records at the Church (Sarah's church), and that Bristles disappeared from view in 2007-2008 are alarming coincidences and suggest a serious effort to coverup the truth. Even family stories about the birth are contradictory....
This case may never reach a Court of Law, but in the Court of Public Opinion, Sarah's hoax on the nation will never go away. Those involved in the hoax will have to spend an eternity covering up the truth, and as we know, once a lie is told, the web of deceptions become more and more entangled.
Will anyone be surprised when Professor Scharlott announces he has a book about to be published? He is going to have to work fast, because there is little to no interest in Palin any longer. So, he has to wrap up the messy bits and get his story told ASAP to make any $$$$$.
ReplyDeleteAnd he may have been given information on the other books that are in the works. So, if he can discredit the work of bloggers, discredit the work of upcoming authors and tout his definitive work, he hopes to make some green.
I have never thought his work was polished, complete, well thought through or supported with facts, evidence, exert backing. His works are full of typos, misspellings and grammatical errors. He is impulsive and now shows his bully boy side as well.
As I commented over the weekend, his work contained errors of fact, errors of evidence identification and he manipulated misidentified photo evidence to suit his theory. Then when confronted with this he dismissively said it didn't matter anyway. This was not impressive work. NOT AT ALL. The Professor earned a D on that work.
But, mark my words, he intends to
try to cash in.
Here's my comment I posted at PoG:
ReplyDeleteForget the ears for a moment. Please bear with me.....during my son's first doctor's visit after birth (PKU), he started crying and the doctor immediately noticed that one side of my son's mouth drooped and he examined the tone of the muscle. He told me he thought my son had mild cerebral palsy. At first I was shocked, but then I remembered. So, I turned to the doctor and made a fake crying face and he saw that I, too, had that same droop, a weakness, identical in every way. It was merely genetic.
I saw that baby photographed with the Heaths at the hospital and I noticed the baby's mouth (bilateral symmetry, not there) (compare with photo below). The right side of that baby's mouth drooped to the right and there was a crease extending out from the corner of that baby's mouth. The baby that the Palins introduced had that same crease and droop. I could not see any crease or droop on the baby known as Ruffles in the kitchen photos because of distance. But the baby in that photo on the birth announcement made a pretty pucker, without any weakness. The photo Bailey shared was too grainy for me.
When I first saw those photos posted on Cole's blog, I saw two babies. The baby that Cole and her daughter were holding was a lot smaller than the baby screechy was holding. Yet, I am expected to believe they were one and the same. Only if those photos were taken weeks apart. Comparing the size of the head and the length to the person holding each, the only thing that those two babies had in common to me was the outfit they were both wearing. The baby screechy was holding had a small portion of his left ear visible and it looked normal and laid flat against the baby's head, not sticking out or ruffled. I could not see any crease or droop in the photos of the baby that the Coles were holding because of the baby bottle. But the baby that screechy was holding did. Almost all of the photos of Trig (though some have been flipped) have that droop or weakness.
According to the information you have provided, ears can be corrected. But is there any way to zoom in those photos of Ruffles in the kitchen to verify any crease? Any droop? Or can you make out that grainy photo Bailey shared? Funny, I didn't see Ruffles' droop at all and I didn't see Trig's ears until the RNC and most photos were side views. And as far as I could tell from that birth announcement, that baby had no droop and the left ear had no ruffle, am I wrong? So when I start looking at lots of ears, my eyes go wonky!
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KatieAnnieOakley made a photo comparison for me:
http://mediacdn.disqus.com/uploads/mediaembed/images/157/8045/original.jpg
This is Trig. Now, I didn't want to mention it in that post, but there were two rumors going around way back then. One was that a teenage boy in Juneau, Dylan Kolvig, fathered a child with Bristle. I googled images and found an image of Dylan Kolvig. Google and see that one side of his mouth droops, too.
Gryphen, I'm here for the long haul. Sarah is not going to disappear, she loves the spotlight too much. As long as the Trig issue isn't resolved, then she'll remain as a potential threat. I trust what you reveal - not that I haven't gotten impatient at times but that's only because I desperately wanted Sarah outed.
ReplyDeleteAbout ears...ears do not just magically heal themselves. I know that because the helix of my left ear is collapsed. It was normal when I was born but during a nap, I slid between the bed and the wall when I was 17 months old. I woke up violently turning my head back and forth probably trying to breath or who knows what.
My mother always said that I got the cauliflowered-ear when I "was 17 mo. old because my grandmother let it get too hot in the house". The only part of my mom's story that was true was probably my age when it happened. While I remember being trapped and remember struggling, I had no idea what age I was. That ear drained for many years so every day it was more or less "massaged" for no reason except to remove the drainage and crust. That daily "massaging" never made the ear regain it's normal shape. It's collapsed to this day.
That part of the ear is just cartilage - it won't heal itself.
My ear is certainly not the same thing as the ruffled ear on that baby but every time I read a Troll's comment suggesting magic healing, I think about my ear.
The other similarity is the lies that family tells and the lies that I was told about what happened. My grandmother wasn't the guilty party. We lived in that house until I was 5 years old so I remember the bed and it's placement up against the wall. My (paternal) grandmother never visited us when we lived in Phoenix so she couldn't have been in that house. We weren't at my grandmother's house, we were at our own house so where was my mom when I was trapped between the bed and wall? Besides, my grandmother's house was built in 1904 (in OK) and when it happened, it was before air conditioning, so my grandmother wouldn't have been able to control the temperature in the house. Lies, lies, lies to cover up guilt.
Sarah, Todd and Bristol, I'm talking to you .. some kids can remember things you may think they're too young to remember and eventually they might figure things out. Maybe little TriG/s won't remember everything but the other kids might. Lies will come out - you may be raising "haterz" right there in your "happy, loving" family.
I'd have to agree with you here, Gryph, for if one were to simply line up ALL the photos of children Sarah has "used" as Trig, that would be it's own best defense (from the announcement photo, to RNC babes, to Hawaii, to Levi's green shirt, covers of magazines, and finally the most recent one of Trig/Tripp...)
ReplyDeleteI think Brad severely overshot his journalistic creds on that forlorn theory, and truth is, even the images he presents as "evidence" are NOT bilateral.
Keep beating the drums...
I should be clear that the neonatologist I interviewed repeatedly was not a friend. He had zero interest in helping me personally. He had only a profession desire to examine the evidence and set the record straight, and he got in touch with me to do that. After I vetted this doctor properly, we began to discuss the baby issue and work on our various posts.
ReplyDelete@Anonymous. The Truth-O-Meter was deliberately worded as wanting proof Sarah's story was correct. It was a statement that Brad would bet $10,000 of his own money she was lying. He would then be able to say that no one could prove it. Straightforward, not weird.
ReplyDeleteAnon 10:43
ReplyDelete9:25..I see Jesse also has a Pay Pal on his site, how much money does he bring in and I remember him thanking people and telling what he bought with the money..really don't think you should worry what is DONATED to either blog.
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I'm very aware that Gryphen has a Palpal button. The difference - Gryphen doesn't ask. The other site -- were doing 'money bomb' requests a week at a time. Major difference.
Oops thanks for straightening that out Laura.
ReplyDeleteFor the record of the four doctors that I consulted for my original Two Babies post, only one was a friend.
The others were doctors who were solicited for their medical advice, and they gave their opinions without knowing who the baby belonged to until AFTER they had already said that there were clearly two babies.
Anonymous said...
ReplyDeleteWhy post links if you can't click them and go to the link???
7:55 AM
HIGHLIGHT THE LINK, RIGHT CLICK, choose how to open it. simple.
I can't stand Sarah Palin and I truly hope that her pregnancy hoax will be revealed to the world. But after three years at IM and other Palin baby sites, I'm sorry, but you're ALL starting to sound petty and childish.
ReplyDeleteBy the way, Gryphen, you're welcome for the recent donation. A courtesy thank you would've been nice.
Anon at 12.20.
ReplyDeleteI agree with you completely about the baby shower pics. The baby Palin was holding could have been Trig, but the baby the Coles were holding was not the same baby!
Toes in the Sand...thank you
ReplyDeleteGryphen, I commented on that post and will bring the same observation to you for possible comment. Sarah's Scandals has some interesting posts up recently, http://shesnohockeymom.blogspot.com/. While I haven't decided how I feel about the premise or conclusion, the picture of the gigantic Tripp at supposedly less than 4 months old on the Today Show is very interesting as to the child's right ear. I'm certainly not talented enough to isolate the ear and still make it look like a clear photo, but I'm think you may be.
ReplyDelete10:39..I think they look like the same child, some pics are of happy Trig maybe just getting up from a nap and other could be tired Trig, cranky and not in a good mood..babies can look slightly different depending on the situation and mood their in.
ReplyDeleteI don't understand the ear thing, the tiny baby with the badly ruffled ear, that Mercede failed to notice?? and the Bailey picture with what looks like improved ruffled ear. Either it improved by itself or something was done to make it look improved.
To N'yah and others, thank you for the kind words. From the beginning, I have only wanted to unite the Babygators against The Wolf Pack of the Republicans, who always stick together, and that's why they are so effective. As with McG's THE ROGUE, when I began writing PARADIGM SHIFT in 1990, it was originally a book about the despicable Repug activities supported by Bush Sr., John Sununu, and Phil Gramm. Like Joe, after a point I could not ignore the severe damage that The Palin Mafia has done to our democracy, so that became the centerpiece of my book. After editing 800 pages down to 400, I had hoped that all the anti-Palin bloggers would unite against a common enemy, but alas, some of us seem to value the achievement of fame and fortune above the dispensation of the monster. At first, I was very impressed with the work of Dr. Brad Scharlott because he continued what I had named "The Blockade" erected by the media to protect Palin. Of course McGinniss has done his part in publicizing this issue, too. Why has Scharlott seemingly gone off the rails? I don't know and I am as surprised as you are, but the Anonymous who suggested that he is planning some sort of expose of our "gullibility" or the Anonymous who says he may be preparing a book could be right. Either way, it is a shame because we should all be working together.
ReplyDeleteGryphen,
ReplyDeleteYour actions, during the 3+ years I've followed you, have told me all I need to know...that you are truthful, intelligent, and TRUSTWORTHY (and have a wicked sense of humor).
I often hate that you have to qualify yourself with these types of posts - to calm down the petulant whining and name-calling.
Above all else, your motives come through clear as a bell....which is why I follow YOU and not those other blogs.
Keep the faith man - and don't, don't, DON'T STOP!!!! Go, go, GO man GO!
Best,
Tata Ala
Gryphen, I agree with commenters like anons@4:32, 4:46, and 5:14.
ReplyDeleteBrad is a free agent, bopping from Laura's to Politicalgates and now with his own blog.
I have more than one bone to pick with him and his recent assertions, but I don't see how sniping at blogs who HOST Brad helps any of us Trig Truthers one little bit.
It would be SO much better if everyone would just take the empirical approach and stick to responses based on the merit, rather than the provenance, of a given theory.
That said, I do appreciate this in-depth review of the ear issue and I agree with you that more than one child is involved.
I think Brad on more than one occasion since the publication of his "Spiral of Silence" paper has used wishful thinking and fantasies to drive his analysis, going off on unwarranted tangents which only undermine his reputation and the work he has done to date in publicizing the media's criminal negligence in "L'Affaire Palin".
IM is my go to site.I have read the other theories but I always find your research more compelling.I do reserve judgement though.Keep up the good work Gryphe and don't take other criticism so personal.
ReplyDeleteAlso, I think Dr. Who's comment is good, and I agree with Amy1 that THE MAIN ISSUE is Palin's birth hoax and the media's complicity in it.
ReplyDeleteIf we can't focus on the (imo valid) proof which exists and the means to get that proof across, the "many Trigs" concept threatens to be an albatross around Trig Truthers' necks… EXCEPT if the multiple-Trig theory can also be made iron-clad, which would in turn add proof to the birth hoax.
Regardless if Sarah Palin is Trig's birth mother or not, it is apparent by looking at Track, Bristol, Willow and Piper that Sarah is a terrible mom who did not instill education or values onto her children.
ReplyDeleteSarah has always been about Sarah and Sarah only.
The world sees this and there is nothing Sarah can do about it.
How sad :(
You know what they say, 'it's not the crime, it's the cover-up'.
ReplyDeleteWhen this all comes to light, I think our disgust with the Palins will be greater than we currently think it will be.
I just can't imagine playing around with the personal lives of so many people just to present a false personna to the world.
I'm so sorry for the heartbreak endured of the mothers who gave birth to these two babies, just so Sarah can promote an image of what a 'real patriotic, American mother' looks like.
Pard' me while I vomit.
Thank you AKRNC for letting us know what he said.
ReplyDeleteanon@8:32, what does what LAURA does have to do with P&K?? P&K have "moved on" in their own way, to host other items from beyond the Palin sphere.
ReplyDeleteI am suspicious of ANYone, like anon8:32, who tries to lay some sort of absolute "blame" for a disjointed situation on any single one of the anti-Palin bloggers.
Like Brad, Laura came onto the scene full of new investigative energy, brio and self-promotion (not that there's anything wrong with that…;-). Laura helped advance the Palin discussion, but at the same time her life is not Regina's or Bree's or Audrey's or Patrick's or Gryphen's. It's clear that (like "litbrit", for example) she has a very full life and wants to focus on other projects. It's also clear that the risk of Palin becoming president is roughly NIL, whereas last year it was still a scary, if remote, possibility.
Each contributor has his/her own story, own resources, own style, and own limits. Let's give everyone a minimum of respect and comprehension, if not 100% agreement.
Amon 8:17. I'm sorry but not every ear is unique like a fingerprint is. That is simply not true. They are as unique as noses or eyes. I don't understand the point you are trying to make. Can you explain?
ReplyDeleteSecond, you are correct in that you used the wrong wording. You cannot see the inner ear from the outside. In fact you can't see the middle ear. We are only talking about the outer ear or the pinna. When I first saw the photos, I thought the ear looked very deformed. In no way could it be " fixed" other than through plastic surgery. And that surgery isn't done on infants. It's not just cosmetic because the outer ear does several things. It helps collect sound from the environment and it helps in sound localizationg or telling where sound is coming from.
To the person who responded to my " lamenting.,"
I never thought everyone should be best friend.
I just don't get the animosity and the refusal to link posts.
What ulterior motif would Brad have everyone??
The lines have been drawn. Laura and Floyd sticking up for Gryph. Laura and Regina distancing themselves from posting about Babygate. Brad shows up at Po'gates, starts new blog. Laura drops Po'gates from her blogroll (and probably dropped Brad as well). I'm going to guess the Fred book never materializes. Floyd is right when he says this will never come out. We all know she faked it. If a well-known respected author like Joe is dismissed/ignored by MSM, you can bet that is the way it will stay. The real story is the back story, the one we don't get to see.
ReplyDeleteGryphen,
ReplyDeleteYour actions, during the 3+ years I've followed you, have told me all I need to know...that you are truthful, intelligent, and TRUSTWORTHY (and have a wicked sense of humor).
I often hate that you have to qualify yourself with these types of posts - to calm down the petulant whining and name-calling.
Above all else, your motives come through clear as a bell....which is why I follow YOU and not those other blogs.
Keep the faith man - and don't, don't, DON'T STOP!!!! Go, go, GO man GO!
Best,
Tata Ala
YES, Floyd Or@8:54, that is the kind of thing I am talking about with Brad. He came across as stable at the outset, but he should have been more circumspect. There were plenty of wild theories floated during Audrey's time, but nothing (I don't think) that anyone with an academic career would want to put their name to without a bit more further investigation and evidence.
ReplyDeleteI'm just an anonymous commenter on the Internet, so what do I know, but with that shenanigan plus the ear thing hot on its heels… it's like he WANTS to undermine his Pregnancy-Hoax presentation. I'm scratching my head, I'll tell ya'.
anon@9:10 AM. There are very rare cases of twins with different fathers, even.
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ReplyDeleteToes in the Sand...thank you
1:58 PM
you are very welcome! :)
My contention is that Brad lost his credibility when he started becoming a participant in his 'research' rather than remain a strictly outside observer. If he had kept his involvement in the SP 'scene' limited to his paper than I think that would have been fine, but as soon as he started appearing on other blogs and then most recently his own I think he went from objective observer to biased participant.
ReplyDeleteDon't get me wrong, there's nothing wrong with any given person pushing their own theory, but as an academic I think the expectations are much higher for him to retain his perceived objectivity by being selective in how, and with whom he interacts with regarding the pushing of his paper.
I for one do not view him in the same favorable light that I initially did when I heard of him & his paper.
Thanks AKRNC, the 6 MDs who have commented on the ear deformity and the options for corrections all have the same opinion.
ReplyDeletebastardity
ReplyDeleteYou made my day.
@ Anon 7:24
ReplyDeleteI think you are right about the wealthy, very powerful players behind the Palin hoax. You are quite right to remind us that, "This is not child's play at all."
@ Anon 7:43 who asked "Was there an explosion of DS babies that Sarah picked from and they just happened to look somewhat alike...?
You may have meant this question to be taken facetiously, but this scenario is a real possibility and I don't mean twins-- at least in the conventional sense. Think IVF and surrogacy using a bunch of selected and related DS embryos to create an explosion of "snowflake babies" -- a trend that was all the rage among Right-to-Life Republican women during the GW Bush administration.
@ Conscious at Last: As a (published) medical researcher, I want to say you are absolutely right about Brad's misuse of the term "null hypothesis." That, and misuse of "evidence" from advertising websites, may be simply scientific naivete on his part.
I hope it's nothing more sinister...
@AKRNC
Thank you for the opinion from the ENT (Ear Nose Throat MD). Another piece of medical professional evidence favoring Gryphen's thesis.
@Floyd M. Orr
Yes! to all the above! Thank you for being here!
"When Michael J. Fox had a baby at our hospital, the news traveled through the entire hospital in little time."
ReplyDeleteMichael J. Fox's youngest child was born in 2001- 6 years before HIPAA took effect. If a hospital employee sees a heavily pregnant major star enter the OB unit, and believes she is there to give birth, HIPAA certainly does say the employee shouldn't be talking about it. I'm not saying that hospital employees don't occasionally say, "holy cow, guess who I just saw?" to a fellow employee- but to say that you saw somebody identifiable, and say anything about why they're there- that definitely violates HIPAA even when one is talking to a fellow employee.
I meant to say: I appreciated Professor Scharlott's work on Babygate and what he's done to mainstream the story. His work is valuable because he is a professional, and it's helpful to have a professional, an instructor, explain what questions should have been asked.
ReplyDeleteI also feel that Professor Scharlott is well within his rights to comment as he sees fit on any other issue about Sarah Palin- he has the same rights we do. I am not sure I completely believe his one-Trig theory, but I am not dismissing it either. I appreciate that he has explained his POV clearly, illustrated what he is seeing, and he's certainly within his rights to be "95% convinced" that there is only one Trig. Honesty alone should compel us to examine his theory, and we are as entitled to accept or reject it for our own reasons as he is to expound it.
There is no purpose served in fomenting anger, or even competition, between blogs. We all want the truth about SP to be revealed, and unless we have an environment in which discussion flows freely, we are unlikely to achieve that. Theories that have value will be retained; those that don't will ultimately be rejected.
And personally, I don't think we're going to hear the real truth until Willow gets pissed off enough to actually open up. Bristol's drunk the Kool-aid- she'll never admit the truth. Willow, though- she's seeing her sister get lots of things she hasn't, and is just wild enough to defy the family and say something publicly.
Willow, you could probably make LOTS of money if you wrote a book.
She would not pay the costs of Trig's surgery out of pocket becasue Trig is claimed as Todd's son and so the treatment would be free.
ReplyDeleteAlso too, the surgery, though cosmetic, is also medical as closing the abnormal ear opening so that it is within the pinna would help reduce ear infections. I suspect her Governor's insurance would cover that as being prophylactic if the indigenous citizens free medical didn't.
You don't suppose she traded in a factory second child for a less imperfect on did she?
Is she capable of that
Yeah. But pulling it off would be tuff.
@9:43 AM re; why Sarah doesn’t enact a normal strategy to foil these questions? The same reason the questions need to be asked in the first place: She. Is. Not. Sane.
ReplyDelete@9:50, thanks AKRNC! great report…
@10:19 “I’m not trained to see things that Brad probably does.” Don’t think that Brad is “trained” to see anything medical or anatomical just because he has a “doctorate”. He teaches college-level journalism in Kentucky to people like Sarah Palin (along with Photoshop and InDesign, as you can tell from the Truthometer graphic he falsely attributed to me).
I was happy to support him when he stuck to journalistic questions in journalistic spheres with journalistic standards of proof and inquiry, It seems to me he has gotten a bit derailed from his own enterprise, there.
However, I'm not necessarily convinced that Scharlott is particularly invested in discrediting Gryphen per se… He may have just “gone rogue”.
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Anon@1:39, more unhelpful poisonous comments. From what I can see both P&K and Gryphen have gotten funds around about the same order of magnitude. P&K did a couple of money bombs (not “a week at a time”). Some at IM (not Gryphen officially) were promoting Twofer Tuesday or some such thing IIRC: we were supposed to donate small amounts every single week. P&K got a new computer, plus shared some money with Regina who bought a fridge. Jesse has bought a computer and other gadgets for himself and his daughter. I don’t see the big deal in either case. Why make an issue out of it either way? Donate or don’t to whomever you want.
Each of these bloggers/teams has put in many hours and have advanced the common goal of the anti-Palin case, and it’s certainly not like they’re the only blogs out there with a Pay-Pal button. A lot of people get a good deal more for having done far less.
As for "Fred's book", if it's been getting recently revised on only now in the midst of contradictory
"proof" or "evidence" that Gryphen is unsure of or is sketchily/hastily putting together and passing on to "Fred", the book is unlikely to be definitive and—similar to the other Palin books published up until now—likely promises to be just a sub-set of what we, following this issue for three years, already know.
Depending on who the author is, however, even another incomplete assessment *could* be enough to tip the scales in favor of A Trig Truth, if not THE Trig Truth.
(ahem) I think I love you!
ReplyDeleteThank you AKRNC for taking time to get the ENT opinion.
ReplyDeleteAnd Laura, thanks for explaining that the specialist wanted to give his opinion.
Appreciate the medical input on the deformed ear we see.
Many thanks ..
@conscious at last - hey, thanks for the shout out! Glad you enjoyed my comments over there on Brad's blog while you could, because now he has started deleting exchanges between us and says he won't respond to me publicly any more because of my hostile attitude.
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Now I'm really curious about whether or not Gryphen threw out that first comment I made here this morning, or if it was just eaten by the intertoob gremlins.