Lately I have received a number of requests from people through the comments section or e-mails asking that I tell them my theory on what all of the evidence we have accumulated thus far concerning Sarah Palin's pregnancy, the "birth" of Trig, the birth of Tripp, and the possibility of numerous babies, tells us.
And my answer to that request is, "no."
I know that disappoints people, but the truth is that I don't necessarily have a working theory that combines every piece of the puzzle that we have gathered so far. In fact I feel that if I started to try and manufacture missing pieces in order to bring something imaginary into focus that it could very well keep me from recognizing, or correctly understanding, any new evidence that is certainly still out there yet to be discovered.
I KNOW that there are a number of other blogs and websites who have spent a great deal of time and energy creating possible scenarios, and I have seen some of them here in the comments section as well, but personally I really do not find any of that helpful.
My job, as I see it, is to find the new information, or reexamine old information to look for new clues. If I find something, then I attempt to determine in which direction it leads us, and then probe in that direction to see if it leads to more revelations. If it does not then I have to go back to the beginning and start again.
I have done this numerous times. I do NOT simply make stuff up, and then see if my gullible readers will buy into it. I have more respect for all of you than to do that.
So essentially I stick pretty close to the few things we can know for certain.
The first being that Sarah Palin did NOT give birth to Trig Paxson Van Palin on April 18,2008. I believe that there is more than ample evidence to prove that in a court of law if called upon to do so.
I am also confident that Bristol also did not give birth to a baby on April 18, 2008, based on eyewitness sightings and pictorial evidence. Now whether or not she did give birth before that is still a rather strong possibility, however the only evidence for that is that she missed school for a number of months in both 2007 and 2008, that there were rumors she was pregnant going back to 2007, and of course Tank Jones eyewitness account of seeing Levi pick up a child from the Palin household who was not a newborn in March of 2009. I would be hesitant to go to court however until I had discussed this further with Tank, but if he could be compelled to testify under oath then I think this is provable as well.
Another firm piece of the puzzle in my opinion is the "ruffled ear" information.
Recently I have received a number of e-mails suggesting that we reexamine my "The Tale of Two Babies" post from February of 2010, and that perhaps I made a mistake. However I am not sure what the purpose of reexamining the post would be since I consulted a number of doctors before writing the post, and had others, including an ENT, corroborate my findings after I published it on the blog. Not to mention that Laura Novak also had a Neonatologist reach the very same conclusions. (Add to that the fact that Todd Palin suddenly dropped out of the Iron Dog snowmachine race four hours after my post and Meg Stapleton quit her job as Palin spokesperson two days later and I think you have enough circumstantial evidence to suggest that the post hit pretty close to home.)
This however has not stopped others from essentially creating their own diagnosis, and then explaining how it could have been remedied before Trig was presented at the RNC. Recently I did try to ask one of the doctors that I consulted back then if that was feasible based on the evidence at hand. I will let you know his answer just as soon as he stops laughing.
Look the point I am making here is that those of us who have been attempting to get to the bottom of this egregious pregnancy hoax by Sarah Palin, and gather proof to convince others, have been marginalized, ridiculed, and even used by Palin to play the victim card.
If we just make shit up, and act like insane people, then by definition we are insane people.
This is still a very important and potentially explosive scandal to expose, but it does NO good to have people simply inventing things to attract hits to their websites that confuse fantasy for facts, and create scenarios that people begin to accept as truth with nothing to back them up but a fertile imagination and access to a keyboard.
In other words, you are not helping.
It is a free world, and people can do as they like on their blogs. But if you TRULY want to solve this mystery, perhaps you might want to think before you type.
When I look at that image I see a psychopath. It's like getting a helping of Ted Bundy in female form.
ReplyDeleteFor these words you have my deep respect and appreciation.
ReplyDeleteSloppy thinking, false premises leading to false conclusions and wild imagination seem to be rampant tools of journalists, bloggers, writers, etc. Those who keep keenly to truth, stay real and willing to query deeply wherever it leads are few. When I come on words like yours here, I have a little rush of recognition and respect, so glad to come across...integrity. It means the world hasn't gone entirely mad.
You don't have a theory, you have a hypothesis. The proper way to examine/test this hypothesis is to search for evidence that would prove it false. Repeated efforts to falsify it do not demonstrate its truth but do tend to strengthen the case that it is not false.
ReplyDeleteThe simple things that could falsify it are difficult to find:
1)Eyewitness to the birth.
2)Interviews with the persons named on the birth certificate -- including the hospital/physician -- but that's all covered by privacy laws so probably not useful.
3)DNA tests -- require cooperation from EssPee so probably no go.
On the one hand, throwing theories out there fuels discussion - on the other, they haven't solved the mystery and muddy the waters.
ReplyDeleteThat is why my theory is the best one (LOL) - that very few people are involved in the hoax, maybe as few as 3. Each time I read a comment that states "too many people would have to be involved to pull it off" it leads me in the opposite direction. I also believe that Sarah Palin is mentally ill which adds to the probability that she entered into this unbelievable fraud.
Good Lord, Gryphen.
ReplyDeleteDisparaging other blogs that aim to find the truth does not
make you look good. And since the other Palin bloggers don't disparage you in their posts then they look like the grown-ups and you sound like a petulant teen. Stop-it! Seriously there is room enough for enough bloggers to find out the truth and expose Palin for the fraud she is.
I started reading Audry's blog during the election cycle- have done the merry-go-round of blogger drama from here to Shannon and Jeanne to Palingates split. Good Greif- 2012 is nearly upon us. Just do what you do well and stop "dissing" other anti-Palin blogs.
Preach it, brother Gryph!
ReplyDeleteAgree 100%. Some of the theories I've read are so far out there that they not only defy sanity, but these people sound like the 9/11 was an inside job lunatics.
ReplyDeleteLook, bottom line is Sarah Palin faked a pregnancy because it served her own selfish interests. Whether that was to cover for her daughter, husband, or to advance her political career has yet to be determined, but we all know Sarah well enough by now to know that EVERYTHING she does is self serving. The simplest explanation is usually the correct one. I for one never believed Sarah just rustled up a random DS baby just to prove her pro life street cred. Sarah could never handle her own kids, much less a special needs one.
I still maintain that the truth of Trig's origin is what Sarah fears most.
Sam @ 4:16...
ReplyDeleteYour words mirror my understandings of truth in reportage and I am encouraged that there are still investigative reporters who do the old "just the facts, ma'm".
Gryphen, keep up the work which requires fact, rather than succumbing to fiction for convenience.
Well, I think a lot of the comments where people are coming up with what I consider to be bizarre at best are made by newcomers. There are just too many people coming up with things we gave up long ago or pictures and events we have already answered that I find it somewhat tedious (note: I don't mean anything mean about this because I've been part of this since SP came on to the national stage so I understand).
ReplyDeleteHowever that being said, I think it is like the stages of grief. First, shock blah, blah, blah. People want to figure it out and unfortunately the only people we can use as sounding boards are on these blogs. If I spent as much time talking about SP as I do on these blogs I would admit myself for therapy.
In my case though I have always loved mysteries and this is one hell of a real life mystery:)
Yeah, it has been remarkable reading the theories the last week or so. Makes all look that much more incredible. I do think we are so ready for this to be over that a renewed effort to put it all together has taken hold. And the result is nonsense.
ReplyDeletePersonally, I'm tired of babygate scenarios. Rehashing the same stuff over and over just makes people look like idiots. My perspective is that Sarah lies. Sarah always lies. Something is off about the Trig birth. I don't know what, since Sarah always lies. Lack of evidence is not evidence. Move on. Either something will turn up during Gryphen's ongoing search for all lying things to do with Sarah, or it won't. Sarah got away with tons of stuff, some of which will probably catch up with her, and much of which won't. Move on.
ReplyDeleteGood for you,
ReplyDeleteWhat I like about your blog is that you don't jump to wild conclusions.
You do seem to want to err on the side of caution.
The problem with jumping to early conclusions without enough facts is those ideas get more attention than the facts that spawned them.
Just uncovering the facts with Sarah is enough.
I guess the reason that I have become so defensive about this is because we are so close now.
ReplyDeleteJoe McGinniss has moved the ball forward significantly, and Fred's book should close that gap even more. There are people who have, and will, start Googling "Sarah Palin's fake pregnancy."
If that search takes them to certain places on the internet they will laugh out loud and never believe the validity of hoax.
I also believe that this is the tip of a scandalous iceberg involving the Republican party, the media, and certain corporations who backed Palin.
Determining IF they knew, how MUCH they knew, and WHAT they did after they found out, is really where I have been heading all along.
Lately I have found that certain blogs have taken to either attacking my research, or making wild fantasies up based on very thin, or virtually no, evidence.
Then those theories arrive in my comments section and people want to know why I am not addressing them.
So my choices are to ask people to be more circumspect or go over to my blogroll and start removing the offenders. I don't want to do the latter, so I have gone with the former.
I do very much appreciate the community that we have built, especially now with so many dropping away, but I also want us to be taken seriously.
I literally was attacked in my e-mail for introducing evidence that did not fit people's preconceived ideas of how Palin pulled off the hoax. As if I am supposed to reject, or keep secret, anything that does not fit the current narrative.
How does that kind of thinking lead to truth?
those pictures that you say were taken in palin's kitchen do not look like a kitchen to me. They look like a hospital room but I'm probably wrong. there's a clipboard behind them and what appears to be a window on the door behind them. I couldn't find the cake you mentioned but I did wonder why if the pics were taken in a hospital room - why would they bring a cake to the room? Nothing makes sense to me with this hillbilly and her family. Levi should be ashamed for carrying the lies as long as he has. All of them should be ashamed. they're ALL covering up and continue to lie.
ReplyDeleteIt is obvious to me, Trig came from the planet Zenon to help Sarah get rich...
ReplyDeleteLook closely at the picture of Levi and his sister - the one in color on gryph's feb/2010 post. What is that right behind the chair Levi is sitting in? Was this a photoshop that somehow captured the legs or something of another piece of furniture? It seems to suggest another chair behind them but there is none. Am I looking at this correctly?
ReplyDeleteJust my opinion but I DOUBT you had anything to do with the iron dog. That year was BAAAAD weather for all racers and many many people had to drop out. This is fact. True Irondoggers are built to compete.
ReplyDeleteAlso, don't you see the similarities between ruffles ear and Trig's? I mean, the inner shape is identical, the lips and nose are too.
Bristol didn't miss school in early 08 . Wasn'tt she attending classes at that center most of the time? She wasn't with Levi much of her time in Anch.
ReplyDeleteI think where this thing runs off the rails is where people start looking for a motive for the fake. As if that would help prove the fakery. All it does is add another layer of conspiracy. For example, if people insist Sarah faked to cover for Bristol, then you've got two things to show instead of one. Sometimes, I am unsure of who the trolls are.
ReplyDeleteHEAR THAT MeAgain, Wendy, MI and others. Step away from the keyboard when you wish to play your stupid, malicious games.
ReplyDeleteSharon, that is the Palin's kitchen. Look at other pictures.
ReplyDeleteGryphen, have you discovered why Bristol and Levi broke up in early 08 and when exactly they got back together. They were teens so the reasons are moot but the fact that they broke up is interesting.
SP did not gave birth to Trig. Therein lies her biggest fraud perpetrated on the American public for the most cynical of political purposes, and for which she should be held accountable.
ReplyDelete~Canuck~
This post actually tells me that you are not in tune with your state and its events. Otherwise, you'd know in 2010, weather for the irondog made racing nearly impossible.
ReplyDeleteHeres something to ponder. You say Todd dropped out 4 HOURS after your post went up. Well, if he dropped out BECAUSE of that, when did he have time to check his phone while he was riding at 80mph???
That never added up for me. At the start of the race, all the strong teams travel long distances if WEATHER permits. This past irondog, people were STILL talking about the horrible weather that year.
Now, Meg on the other hand, I have no clue why she quit, esp considering she was in The Undefeated. It may have just been too time consuming or the Trig thing scared her. Who knows.
This is why we cannot assume things. Assuming things have landed you in blogger hot water many a time.
TO ANON 5:37:
ReplyDeleteSarah, quick question, where's Tripp/Tri-G's birth certificate?
This post is hypocritical. You criticize people for theorizing on ridiculous theories and becoming too closedminded, but then you WRITE OFF anyone who sees similarities in ruffles ear and Trig, or other similarities -- SUCH AS, no matter what picture you look at, Trig's hair doesn't change, only grows steadily. His hairline as always been the same, he's always had the same swoop across his head. That is the first thing I notice about babies.
ReplyDeleteI completely support you on this, Gryphen.
ReplyDeleteYou are wise to simply present information if/when you feel it is appropriate, but not immediately attempt to create a scenario around that evidence or worse - manipulate evidence to fit in with your theories (or, excuse me, hypotheses).
I think it is perfectly acceptable for you to state that you do not feel some other blogs are any closer to the truth than you are, and in fact are not being helpful. As I have stated numerous times, I don't think any online entity can safely or automatically be assumed to be exactly what it claims it is, unless he/she/it is completely out in the open, as you are. And even then, I think one's behavior over time must demonstrate trustworthiness and credibility - which you have proven in spades, imo.
The complaining that goes on around here about you being a tease or being disingenuous in your efforts - I honestly think some of that is trolling, though I am sure there are people whose impatience rules over their ability to see this thing through.
I watch the behavior of blogs and blog owners, whether out or essentially anonymous. There are some strange things going on, I feel, and it is happening in this week since your post about the little boy, Gryphen. (Also since Sarah's announcement that she won't run, but it's all interwoven, imo.) Retirements, promises of big posts that are taking a while, new blogs popping up with elaborate, detailed material...
Your being aggressively attacked about how you work, also. To me those are all signs that you are getting uncomfortably close to the truth. Lots of people have lots of bits of the puzzle, too, and probably if all the blog owners and Palin experts could join forces, you might have the full story! Why some hold back is actually an important part of the story, I feel - the part about the Republican party being involved and the subsequent cover-up. Hopefully some day we will know more about this aspect, as you say really the most important aspect of all.
And what to make of Sarah's silence? Since Korea, have we heard anything from her? I am quite sure she is well aware of your Tank mystery child post. Is she reeling from that? Is she busy re-working her political strategy? They say she has changed her party affiliation from Republican to "Conservative" on her Facebook. Insignificant, or important?
Gryphen, you just keep doing what you are doing. People love second-guessing others when they have absolutely no idea what it is to stand in another's shoes. You have been doing a fantastic job here, and if people are dissatisfied so be it. It's not gonna stop us.
Desperate bots think that Sarah considers for one second what they want and that they have the power in numbers to sway her with pleading and begging...
ReplyDeletehttps://www.facebook.com/draftsarahpalin
Gawd I hate that insufferable bitch. First off the picture is staged (as usual. Look how the baby isn't holding her finger. Even at that age trig doesn't want anything to do with the stupid woman.
ReplyDeleteshe looks like some buck-teeth creepy granny, with her lying ass self.
I don't think that Gryphen is "insulting" other bloggers. He's writing about his beliefs and methodologies and what criticism he does level at others (without naming names) is that they should think before they type lest they give $arah ammunition to cry victim. I too have noticed that some people get carried way with the glee of conspiracy theorizing and start throwing out things that are just stupid. I too won't name names but those bloggers don't get much read from me because I know it's going to be a waste of time.
ReplyDeleteOh, but Gryph, I would drop the Shailey angle...doesn't seem to be a river of truth there.
I"m easing out of Sarah land, but I'll continue reading your lead in article and other lead in articles.
ReplyDeleteComments are so repetitious that long ago I skimmed over them, and now I float over them without reading unless I see a name I know.
Woman with the Sardine Can? at 5:21 says it for me. I'll move on to other concerns and let the lead bloggers thrash it out.
I rarely read Anons, or some peoples comments before and the repetition is beyond boring.
LIfe is too short and time is fleeting. 3 years and counting, and this dangerous idiot is still babbling away. The Republican party needs to do her in with real evidence. THEY have it. They won't implicate themselves in their coverup of her mental status. McCain is the worst. He knows beyond a shadow of a doubt what is what.
I am curious about Fred and his findings. When is his book coming out?
Anonymous @ 4:36 said:
ReplyDelete"Just do what you do well and stop "dissing" other anti-Palin blogs."
I agree. Your inability to work with the other anti-Palin bloggers does make you look like the child in the room. I really like reading your blog but this is one thing I've noticed that really bothers me.
Anons 5:57-6:01... Hi Bri$tol!!
ReplyDeleteIn any picture of Sarah and Trig she never looks at that baby lovingly. She always holds him out as a prop. Compare pictures of Sarah and Trig to pictures of Levi, Bristol and Trig at the RNC. That tells you something.
ReplyDeletePaid troll @ 6:08 & 6:14, your posts all include a very telling feature making you easy to ID. Weaksauce. Try again!
ReplyDeleteJust the other day I came across a Blog [never saw it before] which had a "Time-Line" of Sarah from birth up to October 2008. So this was created due to the fire-storm that erupted from ALL political sides over the object to the choice of the nitwit.
ReplyDeleteIt's interesting to note that Sarah took Bristol to New York City during October 2007.
To play "theory" here, could she have taken Bristol to a "neonatal" specialist in NYC because of a bad "sonogram" that signaled something was wrong with Bristol's "alledged" pregnancy during the late part of 2007?
That would make heaps of sense.
Women go long distances to see neonatal specialist doctors all the time. I can just see a sitting female governor wanting to take her teen daughter with a newly diagnoised "at risk" pregnancy to the BEST neonatal specialist that's out there. Plus she had the cash to fly her child anywhere in the world and why not NYC?
And Down Syndrome does not only happen to women over 35 years of age.
--GypsyGirl
Great post Gryphen, I respect and support you for your stand.
ReplyDeleteThe fact that the trolls are out in force here, just proves how close you are. Keep up the great work. You're the best!
Anonymous said...
ReplyDelete"When I look at that image I see a psychopath. It's like getting a helping of Ted Bundy in female form."
4:14 AM
To me, it always looks like the head was photoshopped on someone else's body. That big head just doesn't seem to fit the torso. But big heads are common in anorexia/bullimia cases.
sharon @5:40 AM said...
ReplyDeletethose pictures that you say were taken in palin's kitchen do not look like a kitchen to me.
Sharon:
It has been verified in other posts that that is the Palin's kitchen.
There has to be something out there somewhere that is being missed. Some piece of the puzzle that has not been looked at. Heck. It could be staring us all in the face, yet connecting the dots is what's difficult.
I still believe the simplest answer is going to be the one. With Palin being as narcissistic as she is, she acts rashly at the moment then maybe thinks about what she did later (although I highly doubt it). This gets her in to trouble, then she creates another lie on top of another lie, until she can't keep them straight.
Hang in there Gryphen. This whole thing is way beyond anyone's imagination. I understand how you worry about miss-information. Most people will come for a quick visit or check something out in a nano second to quickly conclude this scenario is nuts. That is because MOST people don't want to take the time to see the details and that is where the naysayers will be coming from. Lazy. If they see one crazy idea, that is all they need to dismiss the whole thing. Nothing you can do about it and all the more reason to keep plugging ahead. Unfortunately, this might be one of those things 20 years from now on Biography, the unsolved mystery of sPaylin's vajaja. Experts will finally weigh in, but nothing is ever solved. Someone should call Jesse Ventura!!
ReplyDeleteAs one person stated it would only take 3 people to pull off this lie. What about the use of health insurance? Follow the money.
ReplyDeleteHi Sarah, Welcome Back!
ReplyDeleteQuick Question, Wheres Trigs Birth Certificate?
I find the new a blogs eentertaining. How are the new dialogs so different from the Who is Tracks Father posts? Those were based on stuff out of SPs book Todd's interview the calendar and making inferences about facial features.
ReplyDeleteI think diverse blogs are a good thing.
you can't argue facts but you can argue insulting behavior and nutty speculation. focus on what is known and proven and the story tells itself. people are really quick to name call and accuse others of various things who try to tone down the rabid dislike displayed here.
ReplyDelete@Virginia Voter
ReplyDelete911 was an inside job. Deal with it.
One of my objections to Palin is that her nonsensical utterances have sucked a lot of oxygon from our national political debate.
ReplyDeleteIn your previous post, Krugman says: "we lost the whole thread of the core issue in our society right now. And these protesters, who are a mix of all sorts of people, suddenly brought that back into the center of our national debate. And that’s an enormously positive contribution."
How good that with that departure of Palin tweets we are turning back to our real issues, as Krugman says.
But my other objection to the unexposed nature of the Palin Hoax is the high-level enablers who are getting off scot-free on this hoax and are planning some new degenerate way to throw the next election. With their unlimited money and no accountability re how it is used, they have a good chance of suceeeding.
I don't see Gryphen "dissing" other blogs outright. I've been following this whole thing for a very long time, and Gryphen is the only blogger whose veracity I can, in good conscience, defend.
ReplyDeleteRehashing and microanalysing educated guesses DOES hurt the cause.
If anything, I think we all can agree the pregancy and nativity of Trig Palin was the clincher in building the brand known as "Sarah Palin", he had the conserative pro life and Christian block, which McCain couldn't possibly get on his own. It was the perfect prop, because anything but a down syndrone child would do, a "normal" child (and I use the term "normal" in a non disparaging way) just wouldn't do- because anyone could accept a "normal" child and not play the martyr/victim.
I'm firmly in your corner on this one, Gryphen. What's the big rush? Is there a statute of limitations on a fraud of this magnitude? Is there some legal form that would absolve Sarah?
I agree with Virginia Voter's comment, and might add that, for me, Sarah's freudian slip in the speech about the location of Trig's nativity in Anchorage instead of Matsu was what sealed the hoax for me.
I can tell you from memory, without thinking, exact locations, times, and minute details for all three of my children's births, and my youngest is 18 and oldest is 24.
Who always has these mystery people who are going to bring new evidence? then nothing new happens..
ReplyDeleteWho's the blogger who said the Palin's were divorced and that Bristol was Prego at the DWTS?
Who's the only blogger with advertising on his blog?
After all this time I think we should be reading all the blogs and theory's and make up our own minds, the iceberg is till there, it's just under the surface..remember the Titanic.
I think you're being a little hypocritical putting down other blogs, since no-one knows the facts at this time, it's still a big puzzle and everyone should be able to work on it.
Yes, I, too, am disappointed in Brad's first blogpost. There is no way those ruffled ears are Cryptocia. One only has to quickly google some images of cryptocia to see the defects are very different. The preauricular open sinus is a preauricular open sinus...not a trick of the eye.
ReplyDeleteKinda makes me scared. How many disinfo people are there among us? I hope he is not one of them.
I think Shailey Tripp's information is an important piece of this puzzle, even if just a part of the story.
ReplyDeleteHonest to goodness, what are the odds that this family would have a baby they decide to name Tripp, given the scenario w/Todd?
I'd love to know, statistically speaking.
I will agree that I often cringe when I see goofy, off-the-wall theories (or old, disproved ones) being pushed with gushing enthusiasm, although I find that more amongst commenters than in actual blogposts. The problem is, the whole Trig/Tripp conundrum obviously involves some seriously crazy behavior, which no doubt increases the craziness of some of the theories being put out there.
ReplyDeleteWe're all trying to make sense of what she did, largely I suspect because we feel a deep-seated NEED to understand, to make sense of the nonsensical, as if once it is explained we can somehow achieve some basic, important understanding of an unhinged mind and the outrageous political system that allowed someone so obviously unstable to reach such ridiculous levels of power and influence. That is probably an illusion, but the need is there.
You know what I wish? That you would assemble all the crazy ass rumors/reports that you've been told about each part of this farce, put then in order, and let it rip. Like that tidbit you sat on from Tank about the older "Tripp". Why not put that kind of stuff out there as unconfirmed, and see what happens?
Gryphen, your approach to unraveling this deception is correct. The fallout from this scam perpetrated on the American voters is so potentially damaging to our fundamental political system, that it should not be treated lightly. Conjecture and reporting unproven theories will ultimately damage credibility. Keep up the good work.
ReplyDeleteSherlock Holmes would agree with you.
ReplyDelete"It is a capital mistake to theorize before you have all the evidence. It biases the judgment." — A Study in Scarlet
"It is a capital mistake to theorize before one has data. Insensibly one begins to twist facts to suit theories, instead of theories to suit facts." — A Scandal in Bohemia
For what it's worth, I'm not sure that even Holmes could see through the tangled web of lies in Palin-land.
@Virginia Voter:
ReplyDeleteI am sad to read your post. You have a wicked sense of humor and are my kinda girl when it comes to revealing Palin.
But do you REALLY REALLY believe the official 9/11 story? REALLY? I've moved away from saying inside job, but the official story is a piece of shit and so is the 9/11 Commission Report.
But in a country where most of the populace bought the official story hook, line and sinker and put up with all the sequelae of the tragedy with patriotic blinders on, there is probably no chance in exposing Palin's hoaxes.
Dosn't mean we won't stop trying, right? And I'll agree to sadly disagree with you, because I enjoy your comments.
Sarah looks just like those posters of the Joker...without any photoshopping !
ReplyDeleteIn my sophomoric mind, $arah saw a way to make lemonade out of Todd's wayward sperm.
ReplyDeletea) $arah is FURIOUS with Todd;
b) Todd, Bri$tol and Trig all have the same keyhole ear;
c) Bri$tol's womb was too busy to be Trig's birth-mother.
Again, this is MY hypothesis ~ and i'm waiting for a crumb to make me feel differently.
In the meantime, i've decided that $arah is an ignorant whore, instead of an ignorant slut.
I agree with you and I do NOT think you are writing this to "diss" other blogs. Those blogs should look very hard at what they are writing and see what FACTS they have to back it up. And seeing a photo that you interpret a certain way might be suggestive, but it isn't a fact.
ReplyDeleteSome of the theories do make us seem nuts.
All Jesse is saying (from what I read) is to be very very careful about what you say and write. He is right.
I didn't realize that Todd and Meg quit so soon after that post. When did Van Flein quit?? I have to wonder how that fits in and when he realized Sarah is a pathological liar.
I also wonder if he knows the truth about Trig.
It sounds like Freds book is going to raise many questions, but not give answers. It's frustrating but presenting so much evidence can only help.
I also wonder about Dr CBJ in this whole thing.
How does she live with herself?? Especially knowing that we don't see Trig wearing his hearing aids and glasses and
I bet he is not getting the best therapy/education possible.
We don't know this for sure but it seems likely.
Why would a doctor,, sworn to " do no harm,"
be a participant in such a hoax?
Anonymous @ 4:36 said:
ReplyDelete"Your inability to work with the other anti-Palin bloggers does make you look like the child in the room. I really like reading your blog but this is one thing I've noticed that really bothers me."
I'm sorry but that is a totally false statement. Over the years I have worked hand in hand with a number of bloggers. And in fact still do.
You are clearly speaking of only one blogger in particular, and to understand why that is the case I suggest you do a little Googling, or search this blog.
And trust me that will NEVER change.
As for the person who claimed that Todd quit the Iron Dog race due to bald weather, you could not be more wrong. The reason given for scratching was that his partner had mechanical trouble. This from a guy who once stole parts off of another snowmachine to finish a race, does not pass the smell test.
Anon 5:57: no offense, but your BS is showing. "This is fact" just tips us off. And NO the babies are not the same.
ReplyDeleteThey aren't. There is enough evidence to prove that.
But you know that already,don't you. I mean, this is your paid job. What's hysterical is that you think you are clever, but you aren't.
7:12 am
ReplyDeleteWho's the only blogger with
advertising on his blog?
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Try using an ad blocker. I see no ads on this or any blog.
Anon 7:16: A medical doctor contacted me to say that while he thinks my analysis is correct, he would would caution me against naming the condition. But have you seen the overlay I did:
ReplyDeletehttp://alturl.com/uwjzx
Even I was surprised by the close correspondence of features between the two ears. So let's just drop the word cryptotia and deal with my photographic analysis. Do you really think what I have presented is so far-fetched that you fear I am spreading disinformation for Palin?
As I told Gryphen privately, it pained me to post those illustrations, because I INCLUDED THE 2 BABY THEORY IN MY REWRITE OF THE SPIRAL OF SILENCE PAPER. In other words, I'm making myself look bad. But that's neither here nor there – the truth is the only thing that matters.
Please post or don't post as you see fit: I agree that there have been a lot of far-fetched stories coming out of the woodwork lately.
ReplyDeleteI am also having trouble following your method for presenting the evidence you have found. The best examples of this I can think of are first, the photos of Levi Johnston in the green shirt holding a baby, identified as Trigg Palin. Have you ever explained how Sherry and Mercede Johnston got the photos or if they know who took them? That would be really valuable information. Even if you could clarify that the Johnstons are not always completely forthcoming with information, that would be useful.
The second example is the "ruffled" ear baby photos. Are there any photos that show the ear clearly, with no obstructions like a blanket or clothing? I remain one of the skeptics about "Ruffles" because I haven't seen a clear, unobstructed view of his ears and I am surprised the physicians you've talked to were willing to hazard a diagnosis based on the photos that have been presented.
Our paid troll has already posted 10 times today.
ReplyDeleteShe thinks she is very clever, but she isn't.
The unfortunate thing though is that she is ruining your comments section. Why are you allowing that?
It's very simple to put in other commenting software so you can block her IP address. I hate Disquis but it does do that AND it allows for us to respond specifically to a post.
Please consider this.
I can easily pick out het posts, can't you?
She comes across like an angry
4 th grader. Her writing is at that level and she uses the same phrases.
I am sick of her and I know others are. I've stopped reading the comments and that is really too bad because you have some very smart readers who write great posts.
Looking at the baby shower picture I am reminded that Ruffles was older than in the Triggybear photos. They were not taken the day before.
ReplyDeleteIf Ruffles is Trig, he was born way before 4/18.
Reexamining the Philly Zoo picture, I see a possibly pregnant Bristol I had not noticed before. I am inclined to think Tripp was born in July and was the campaign airplane baby in blue, whose picture was revealed by the UTn student. Part of why Palin overreacted to his "hacking."
My 2 cents:
ReplyDeleteFirst, I am grateful to all of the bloggers who are donating their time, effort, and thought into creating these posts for little or no reward.
This post does not sound to me like anyone dissing anyone else. My take is that Gryphen is simply stating where he stands. He is putting his blog in context.
Related: I would love to see all of the facts and ideas that have been presented as part of this puzzle in one place together with whatever evidence exists to back up each statement. This would quickly identify the ideas are speculation from the ideas that are supported with evidence.
Re Brad's Blog Post about Ruffles: Brad has posted his thoughts. He is very open to dialogue about his ideas. We have to consider the possibility that his observations about "Ruffles" may be correct. We just don't know (yet). It is important to consider ALL evidence and be open to ideas that do not necessary conform to our own.
We need to be fair, just, and objective. Weigh all of the evidence and then go in with a solid, rock solid, case.
- VeryPolitik
@ 7:12b, Bristol was pregnant during DWTS. The video photo evidence is there plain as day. Don't know what happened, if she had the child or if she still has the child.
ReplyDeleteWho says the Palins are still married? That is a business arrangement if ever I saw one.
Why come here pretending to be on our side but attempt to undercut Gryphen at the same time?
Those two complaints are flimsy at best.
Why is her head so gigantic in this picture? And those 70 year old granny hands? Ugh. This woman is gross.
ReplyDeleteToday's post seems to tie into this post. http://theimmoralminority.blogspot.com/2011/10/lets-clear-air-little-shall-we.html
ReplyDeleteI had to go back and read the Clear The Air post. It is around the topic of Fred and beyond that I get the feeling you are dressing the same issues in today's post.
Is this a fair assessment Gryphen?
SW
Sea WA
Anonymous at 7:12 said:
ReplyDelete"Who's the only blogger with advertising on his blog?"
Not just advertising, it's advertising from a number of right-wing a-holes. I know for a fact that Gryphen could stop certain sites from being on his site but he doesn't. So, Ron Paul continues to get a place on Gryphen's blog.
Are you being threatened? Is that why you're backing off now? Because up to now, you certainly had no qualms about putting all the crazy out there for everyone to see.
ReplyDeleteNY Times in the morning and People, Star or NE at night. I will read I M and the new ones. It's a big world out there gryphen. Like it or not.
ReplyDeleteAs a science teacher, allow me to say a few words about evolution. The Pee People and extreme religious nuts who think that the world is 6,000 years old can just go on to the next comment. The Earth was created some 4 billion years ago, maybe more, give or take a few thousand in there. We do not have all of the proof, but scientists have complied a working theory and every new discovery seems to fit the theory. They examine rocks and water from the core of the Earth and compare it with samples from meteorites and the Moon. They are on pretty solid ground.
ReplyDeleteThe same scientific thinking can be applied to the theory of evolution. No, we do not have every single fossil of every species that ever lived. But, we have studied enough bacteria, plants and animals to form a good working theory, even though some of the intermediate steps are missing.
For that matter, we can all pretty much agree that OJ probably did it, even though we don't have all of the pieces of that puzzle either. Therefore, I can say that the most simple working theory regarding Trig and Tripp can also be explained by the facts that we do know, even if we don't have every piece of the puzzle.
The photos of Sarah Palin from early 2007 do not show a pregnant woman, especially since she carried her other children in a very visible way. Her story about leaking fluid, being in labor, giving a speech, flying back and forth for 12 hours at a time, within a day or two and then giving birth is, to put it bluntly, a freaking lie. It's impossible.
At the same time, Sarah was trying to shut up rumors about Bristol being pregnant. In May 2007, Bristol wrote that Sarah thought that Bristol as pregnant. Bristol dropped out of school at a time that would coincide with the later months of pregnancy. Trig could have been born early enough to allow Bristol time to get pregnant again quickly after giving birth. There are enough Irish twins born 10 months apart that she wouldn't be the first nor the last to do so. Besides, Sarah took the first baby, and even Levi said that Bristol was angry and jealous when Sarah "had" (took) Trig. Bristol may have wanted to replace her lost baby as quickly as possible and get even with the woman who was claiming all of the credit for him.
I could go on and on, but we all know the story and the clues. Where is Sarah's appointment book filled with the regular OB checkups? Where are the medical records and birth certificates? There is nothing to contradict the working theory. So, you do not need to have every step of the process to understand what happened. Neither Sarah nor Bristol have offered any proof to the contrary.
The other problem that both Sarah and Bristol do have is that they regularly tell untruths without even thinking, even if they have nothing to do with Trig and Tripp. So, it is hard to believe just about anything that they do say. Sarah can't even remember if Trig was born in Anchorage at 7 1/2 months or at MatSu at 8 months, something a real mother would know.
The rate at which Palin's Pee People write to defend her and the rate at which troll comments appear here correspond to how close Gryphen comes to telling the true story. Pee People have nothing left to defend. She is not going to run, and she will soon become irrelevant. The first person willing to tell the true story of Trig and Tripp will make millions from National Enquirer.
There is nothing to be gained from protecting Palin anymore. She turned her back on anyone who supported her. She quit her governor job to make millions. It's about time that someone made millions off of her, trademark or no trademark.
I agree Gryphen, Sarah called Todd to come home NOW, when she read your blog on two babies!
ReplyDeleteHe had to get home to "calm her down".
Just goes along with her reading here every day along with her daughters and "staff".
My money is on you Gryph!
@Jeanabella
When Palin was first mentioned about being on the short list as McCain's running mate, Time magazine had quite an article about younger conservative movers and shakers and how they were going to dominate the republican ranks. Then Palin gets the vp nod and there was a follow up article about her backers and what they wanted to accomplish. From that moment on you knew she wasn't qualified for the position and it was obvious she was being used BIG time by the repubs. She was too stupid to figure it out but she loved the limelight so much she couldn't stop - thus the fake preg and all the other lies to not only cover the preg but like spokes on a wheel she had to lie often to cover up many things in her past and advance her career. The good old boys club was enjoying the show not caring about the consquences, well now the consquences are here to be exposed and I would imagine that some higher ups in the republican party are nervous or like McCain think that they are going to get away with the lie. Follow the money, Palin has been bought and sold to the highest bidder and over time it is going to become sickly obvious how the republican machine just about succeeded in getting a very stupid woman a heartbeat away from the presidency. They didn't expect McCain to live for the four year term. She is still out there, making speeches and defending her lies, its her time to pay up for all her trash and lies.
ReplyDeleteGood God already the nut jobs and trolls are out.
ReplyDeleteDo I believe 9-11 was an inside job, absolutely not, but I do believe the Bush-Cheney war machine ignored the warnings, failed miserably in their response, and shamelessly used it to advance their neocon agenda at every turn to start illegal wars. Beyond that, there is absolutely no physical or eyewitness evidence that hasn't been debunked time and time again.
I have fucking had it with all the stupid comments here. Some of you do not live in the reality based world.
I appreciate your thoughts, Gryphen. I find myself cringing at some of the theories out there. Some of them are so convoluted and crazy. Disbelievers could read some of those theories and think the entire hoax is farfetched, and we are ALL crazy. I do not think Sarah gave birth to Trig. I do not know who did. I do think Sarah is quite capable of faking a pregnancy to gain political power. On another note, I do think some posters here and on other blogs that continually bash you are moles/trolls trying to stir up trouble and cause doubt. I have noticed that it is always the same person(s) who write the post or comment.
ReplyDeleteExcellent, G! I'm so glad we can count on you to stick with the evidence. It will be great if more is unconvered but there's enough in existence right now to hold Sarah accountable if the media would do its job.
ReplyDeleteJoe McGinniss is on right-wing AK radio today with Mike Porcaro at 5pm AK time. He's been doing an amazing job getting the 'pregnancy' question out there. Fingers crossed today will be another big opportunity. Here's the link to listen:
http://www.iheart.com/#/live/3014/?autoplay=true
Anon 5:47.
ReplyDeleteThis is the spelling police. You spelled Planet Zenon wrong!
Too bad you didn't take some of your regular posters to task for their insane comments or comment on MeAgain's ongoing unsubstantiated posts that claim continuing access to Palin's circle. Your silence about MeAgain causes me to believe you have selected disdain for those who cause a distraction by putting forth information that would be substantiated in docuements that were to be sent to you. Why not question this promise, assuming of course you still have not received MeAgain's documents? Readers should not accept information posted on the anti-Palin blogs without asking whether the information meets some minimum level of credibility.
ReplyDelete@ Gryphen 7:36 AM
ReplyDeleteYou. Are. The. MAN!
Anon 7:31 - Love the Sherlock Holmes quotes.
ReplyDeleteThanks, Griffen, for all you do. I would disagree with the idea that we just need more puzzle pieces. I think, as I've said before, that we have too many puzzle pieces and some pieces are from another puzzle box. It's a weird new way to deal with a secret but the Palin camp seems to keep throwing more pieces in amongst the true puzzle pieces knowing that we don't have the legal tools necessary to sort out which are true and which are false. I include the Johnston's as well in the term "Palin Camp". The lies seem to create a fog around the subject so that any real idea has one or usually more misleading "facts" out there to contradict it. I think the focus should be on figuring which things we know for certain. Each person in the Palin Camp puts out truth and lies totally emulsified together. And they don't seem to care when their own narratives don't fit together. That's where the failure of the media is so painfully clear.
ReplyDeleteVirginia Voter, RIGHT THERE WITH YA, girl.
ReplyDeleteThe minute we start equating Babygate with 9/11 conspiracists is the minute we lose and Sarah wins.
With all the different postings by various people with their own possible takes on this baby hoax, I try to take it with a grain of salt. We can all postulate our opinions on the subject, but at the end of the day, who the hell knows what is the truth? There are a few truths that we do know:
ReplyDelete1. Sarah Palin is a pathological
liar.
2. There is no way in hell she gave
birth to the baby presented as
Trig.
3. Her importance on the national
level has become comedic fodder.
4. She will not be elected for any
office ever again after quitting
the governorship.
(praise Cheeses!)
5. Jesse seeks the truth and tells
us the truth and is highly
appreciated for that.
Thanks for all that you do. So many of us suffer from Palin-fatigue but this story cannot go away and must see the light of day for justice to prevail. I'm in it for the long haul, it is a mystery that must be solved and unraveled for the world to see so grifters like her might not want to go to such levels in the future.
Two things I am pretty sure Sarah wants in no particular order. First- To continue to obscure the truth about the birth of Trig. Second- To prove her critics and anti-Palin bloggers wrong. Where is the truth? Will she be vindicated like she claims she was in Troopergate?
ReplyDeleteComing up with all these theories and then discussing them is not surprising. That it allows some with different motives to participate and to derail and discredit the discussion is also not a surprise.
There are a few places where I expect the truth about what happened might at some time be revealed. This is one of them.
There is also a short list of people that I believe the Palins and their supporters would actually drag into court if they thought they had a prayer of success. Gryphen is on it.
@Virginia Voter: who took a piss in your cheerios this a.m.?
ReplyDeletethe only thing I am sure of is that the quitter did NOT give birth to tri-G on april 18, 2008. that much is clear. everything else is muddy.
ReplyDeleteappreciate your work gryphen.
You're doing a great job, Gryphen. No other blog has stayed on the subject as consistently as you have. I appreciate all other blogs that try to unravel this too, but you, as an Alaskan, put yourself in a position to be mocked by other Alaskans until the truth be told. So you are the one who takes the full monty of risks. You are the hero.
ReplyDeleteNo harm in talking about leads you have discussed with others even if they are too afraid to be identified. SP herself has proven just by her exposure on national tv she has no integrity. Most by now are wary of her, don't trust her and she is close to losing ALL credibility - she's done it to herself. But breakers of the law need to be held accountable -a statement she herself made (smiling) at the David Kernell trial.
That pic..Sarah big head and little baby...
ReplyDelete...Does that baby even have DS (Ruffles)?
He doesn't look like it...
Virginia Voter said...
ReplyDeleteGood God already the nut jobs and trolls are out.
Do I believe 9-11 was an inside job, absolutely not, but I do believe the Bush-Cheney war machine ignored the warnings, failed miserably in their response, and shamelessly used it to advance their neocon agenda at every turn to start illegal wars. Beyond that, there is absolutely no physical or eyewitness evidence that hasn't been debunked time and time again.
I have fucking had it with all the stupid comments here. Some of you do not live in the reality based world.
8:49 AM
OMG, pot meet kettle.
Talk about not living in a reality based world.
Debunked time and time again?
Don't read the comments if you are so fucking pissed off.
Anon attacking MeAgain @ 9:04 - I think you are the same person who keeps doing it over and over - what makes you say her/his information is lacking in credibility?
ReplyDeleteWhat about it makes you say that? I don't think any of it has been so earth shattering that it's worth such strong condemnation, which is what makes your protestations suspect.
Relax. Nothing dire about MeAgain's activities, and nothing required of Gryphen vis a vis MeAgain. He may just feel like letting the person continue to post on the chance that it will encourage those with information to do so, also.
What's the big deal? Why would MeAgain be threatening to an anti-Palin poster? She'll make us look "stupid"? No. Nothing she has said and none of our responses have been game changers in any real way, thus far - which is fine.
I think there are those who are desperate to chase us away from that thread, and are increasingly uptight that not only are they not chasing us away, but we all keep going back there and checking in...
Whenever I push back on those attacking MeAgain, I don't get much of a response, which is also suspect.
Just want to keep repeating something over and over to make it "true" in people's minds?
I agree, Virginia Voter. I think Bush, Cheney and the CIA were aware something like that might happen and allowed it to. They needed their Pearl Harbor, and they tragically got it.
ReplyDeleteGryph,
ReplyDeleteThe effort to unravel Sarah's Babygate lies has always been done in a sort of rag-tag fashion. What would really be helpful is if someone could put together a database and time-line listing all of the provable and unprovable data and events.
Also, project management software could be employed to further the investigation process in the most timely method possible.
Lastly a system could be set up to allow witnesses to communicate securely. (A $5 per month Earthlink email account allows a never ending supply of secure throwaway email addresses.)
The confusion comes about when people go off on a tangent examining insignificant photos and events. Look at the nonsense proffered by Sharon on this thread at 5:40 and 5:50, where she tries to find significance in cakes and table legs. This is as bizarre as the pixel by pixel examination of race photos, when we all knew it was impossible for Sarah to run the race in the time she reported in the first place.
So yeah, I'm in agreement with you on the confusion being unhelpful, but at the same time there are some helpful tools out there, like databases and PM software, that could prevent the constant rehashing of previously established evidence and events.
Maybe it's time to follow Sarah's advice to reload, only with better guns and ammo.
Keep up the good work, Gryph. Sarah Palin is a mean-spirited evil narcissist with mental problems, and she needs to be prevented from hurting any more innocent people.
BradScharlot wrote:
ReplyDeleteAnon 7:16: A medical doctor contacted me to say that while he thinks my analysis is correct, he would would caution me against naming the condition. But have you seen the overlay I did:
http://alturl.com/uwjzx
Even I was surprised by the close correspondence of features between the two ears. So let's just drop the word cryptotia and deal with my photographic analysis. Do you really think what I have presented is so far-fetched that you fear I am spreading disinformation for Palin?
As I told Gryphen privately, it pained me to post those illustrations, because I INCLUDED THE 2 BABY THEORY IN MY REWRITE OF THE SPIRAL OF SILENCE PAPER. In other words, I'm making myself look bad. But that's neither here nor there – the truth is the only thing that matters.
Yes, I saw your overlay . Then I started also looking at random people's ears and that formation is not as odd as we may think. I noted that my own 70 year old mother has the same crazy ear as Palin.
I wish more doctors would weigh in on the deformity and what it would take to fix it. In an infant. Very rare to fix malformations in infants and end up with the Tri-G's with perfect ears we have seen.
No, I do not think you are really disinfo agent and you have put your credibiltiy on the line time and time again. The crazy that is behind
Palin getting away with this shit makes all of us alittle paranoid at times perhaps.
And you are right, getting the truth out is all that matters.
BradScharlot wrote:
ReplyDeleteAnon 7:16: A medical doctor contacted me to say that while he thinks my analysis is correct, he would would caution me against naming the condition. But have you seen the overlay I did:
http://alturl.com/uwjzx
Even I was surprised by the close correspondence of features between the two ears. So let's just drop the word cryptotia and deal with my photographic analysis. Do you really think what I have presented is so far-fetched that you fear I am spreading disinformation for Palin?
As I told Gryphen privately, it pained me to post those illustrations, because I INCLUDED THE 2 BABY THEORY IN MY REWRITE OF THE SPIRAL OF SILENCE PAPER. In other words, I'm making myself look bad. But that's neither here nor there – the truth is the only thing that matters.
Yes, I saw your overlay . Then I started also looking at random people's ears and that formation is not as odd as we may think. I noted that my own 70 year old mother has the same crazy ear as Palin.
I wish more doctors would weigh in on the deformity and what it would take to fix it. In an infant. Very rare to fix malformations in infants and end up with the Tri-G's with perfect ears we have seen.
No, I do not think you are really disinfo agent and you have put your credibiltiy on the line time and time again. The crazy that is behind
Palin getting away with this shit makes all of us alittle paranoid at times perhaps.
And you are right, getting the truth out is all that matters.
O/T: When was the last time Sarah made an appearance on Faux?
ReplyDeleteI agree with you Gryphen, and I appreciate all that you do.
ReplyDeleteRe: the Ron Paul ad, click on it. Gives a little money to Gryphen, and muddies the waters for the RW.
On google blogs, you see the ads that relate to what you search. Thats not G's fault.
ReplyDeleteGryphen @ 5:39am--
ReplyDelete"I also believe that this is the tip of a scandalous iceberg involving the Republican party, the media, and certain corporations who backed Palin."
That's my thought as well, always has been. I truly believe this was a complete marketing ploy designed to attract the same evangelical demographic (the pre-C4Per's) who argued vehemently that Kate Gosselin was a saint of a mother who didn't exploit but took wonderful care of her two girls and six babies in the name of Jesus. Sounds trite, but Kate, Jon and the 8 were the BIGGEST celebs in "reality" TV and in the blog world when the Backers were grooming SP for her GOP debut. Many rabid fans sounded as unbalanced and clueless in their defense of Kate as the P-Bots do today. Sarah's kids were all well past "cute" babyhood at the time. An infant that she could display on TV and at events--and feign taking care of would make her that much more appealing to this particular base, no?
And when the eventually truth comes out, it'll probably be revealed in the simplest, stupidest way--like a "Shit!! We forgot to hide that (fill in the blank)." Always happens, always will.
Keep going, Gryphen!
Gryphen, I didn't realize until very recently how widely your "Ruffled Ear" post had been reported on other blogs that I'd never follow, eg, Hollywood blogs.
ReplyDeleteWell done, in retrospect.. because your photos were so shocking that the info reached people who don't follow politics or Palin ordinarily. It was the beginning of real cracks in her veneer.
I imagine how strong Palin's star might be now, even with her not running for Pres status, if you hadn't exposed her lies: lies in clear sight.
The focus has become the Wall St protests.. and for everyone who is able to protest, you are standing there for many who do not have the strength to do so.
But make no mistake, without your continual exposure of Palin's lies, we might easily see a rerun of her power to entice and persuade used again in 2012.
Finally, Palin was so valuable a propaganda tool to the Right that Fox built her own studio in Alaska.... so I cannot thank you enough for all you have done to reveal the ugly truths about her.
"Re: the Ron Paul ad, click on it. Gives a little money to Gryphen, and muddies the waters for the RW."
ReplyDeleteGood point! Now I won't feel guilty taking money from the Koch brothers to help them get out their propoganda.
"On google blogs, you see the ads that relate to what you search. Thats not G's fault."
Gryphen can stop these ads if he wants. He has stopped other anti-Palin blogs from advertising on this site, but taking money from right wing nut jobs is ok with him. Sorry, I just don't find this behavior ethical, especially when he's trying to argue here that he's the ethical blogger and that others are causing problems.
Anon @ 9:26, there are definitely pieces of the puzzle missing here. Definitely.
ReplyDeleteWe can't put the information we know together, that is our problem and why we are stuck.
We need more information, more data, more pieces to the puzzle.
Yes, disinformation and dissembling and psy-ops are all around us, with some information that we erroneously believe we do have being outright lies to confuse. That has been true from the beginning.
But we don't give up, even though we may never have access to all the pieces. We just need that one or two pieces that will make the circumstantial case compelling enough to withstand scrutiny.
Thanks for putting this out there, Gyphen; it needed to be said because invariably you will became "guilty by association" when these other blogs post crazy talk.
ReplyDeleteWhat makes me really laugh, though, is that commenters spend vast amounts of time and energy created "scenarios" that were already crafted many years ago and live in the comments section at Palin's Deceptions.
Anyone interested in the "Palin Birth Questions" should begin their reading at Palin's Deceptions and then continue on to other blogs; this could save a person a lot of time and typing, as basically, every possible scenario pertaining to Trig's birth is out there on that blog, either in the blog articles or in the comments.
There are no new ideas under the sun with this possible birth hoax, just regurgitation of previously posted scenarios.
Since we are cleaning the house today as such on all things Palin, let me just stick my hand out there to be slapped and say the following.
ReplyDelete1. I am sick of the fairy tale trolls.
2. The "MeAgain" posts are totally stupid. All this "cloak and dagger" stuff about posting on the Broomfield post and pretending that he or she must be careful and hide from evil Sarah but yet the posts are listed on the current blog but are originally on the other is just totally crap. One day he or she is sick and then has a death in the family and can't post, maybe true or false. This BS is making your blog look totally silly.
3. This comments section is way outdated and needs revamped. It is all so juvenile with 99% being anomys.
4. Lets have some intelligent posts like say for example, Oz Mud.
Princess Dumbass from Wasilla has been quiet since her despicable speech in South Korea.
ReplyDeleteOoops, sorry I didn't mean to wake the beast.
"I hate Disquis but it does do that AND it allows for us to respond specifically to a post."
ReplyDeleteGryphen won't use Disqus as it won't let him control all of the comments that come in.
I couldn't agree more with what you've said in this post, Gryphen. It's one thing to speculate but quite another to read about twins, one baby with DS and another without DS being used by the Palins' and other ideas as if they were facts backed up by clear and provable evidence. If any of these were easily proven, it would have been done by now. Some of the theories I read are so off the wall that they begin to compare with the crazy Palin fans. This is not how you gain credibility. The story will come out eventually and when it does it will most likely be due to the fact that Sarah has pissed off the wrong person for the last time, leading them to spill the entire story. She just can't keep her mouth shut about things she should never talk about as in the relationship with North and South Korea. She is determined to be heard from and she will bring about her downfall, even more than she already has, and hopefully end up wearing a pretty orange jumpsuit complete with silver bracelets.
ReplyDelete@6:01 we wont stop until the real Sarah is expose for who she is.
ReplyDeleteHigh Fives to Virginia Voter re 9/11 conspiracies, and all your posts in this thread.
ReplyDeleteWhy is it that the Republicans have to go waaaaaay back to Ronald Regan, the divorced ex actor who's co star was a primate as their savior?
Bush/Cheyney Rumsfeld et all got their power from Florida's "pregnant Chads" and brother Jeb, their "cause celeb" with the WTC attacks, the revenge killing Saddam Hussein, the unjust Iraq war, "Faith based initiatives", and lets not forget Terry Schiavo's case.
But Regan somehow became the be all and end all to deflect attention from the enduring damage of the Bush administration's unconsionable acts.
And don't think for one minute Sara
G -
ReplyDeleteJust a note of gratitude for your work and your continued efforts to get to the bottom of the baby(ies) mystery.
Several people commenting have touched on a couple of things that came to mind - if I recall correctly, you did an article recently where you cautioned people that things would begin to be a bit tense. You also illustrate the continued concern many of us have concerning Palin - she will never quit. By quit, I mean she will continue to put herself out on the national stage because of her ego. My hope is that with continuing exposure and possibly new info coming out she will be at least kept at bay.
One thing you talk about is, basically, how high "up the chain" did actual knowledge of her go back in 2008. I had not thought much beyond McCain and his staff. That will be very interesting.
Pat Padrnos
Excellent, Gryphen! As a wise one once said, "There is no religion higher than TRUTH." Thank you for all you do in pursuit of it.
ReplyDeleteAnon at 10:13: You write: "Yes, I saw your overlay . Then I started also looking at random people's ears and that formation is not as odd as we may think."
ReplyDeleteWhat you have just conceded is that the three ear elements of Ruffles that I identified CONSTITUTE A WHOLE EAR - and that is the question, isn't it? The main question is this: Is that a tiny ruffled ear with a hole next to it, or is the batwing-shaped hole actually part of a malformed ear. You seem to say, sure, the hole may be part of the ear, but we don't know whose ear. Okey doke. I'l take that.
And you say: "Very rare to fix malformations in infants and end up with the Tri-G's with perfect ears we have seen." Where do you get that? Let's get EVIDENCE for our pronouncements.
Go here: http://alturl.com/rwimx
This article flies directly in the face of what you are saying. (By the way, I do notice that the two case of cryptotia mentioned in the article did not improve. The research methods excluded any surgical intervention; I think for cryptotia, a slight incision would be necessary. And to be safe, let's say cryptotia is my best guess, but it could be another type of malformation.)
Look, I am a professional researcher. Please use documentation for your assertions.
I do not now, nor ever believed $arahPalin gave birth to the child now known as Trip on April 18th, 2008 after flying cross country leaking fluids - by-passing major hospitals for a small community hospital.
ReplyDeleteHow this child came into their family (and why) is the 10 million dollar question.
Misleading statements made by $arahPalin, close family members, co-workers and even her doctor have left a gordian knot to untangle.
Who knew about the pregnancy ruse, when did they know and why have they remained silent are all without answers.
I wish I didn't work - because untying this woven web of lies will take patience & time, something I lack. The research needs to go back into early 2007. Who are the (known) important players ($arah, Todd, Bristol, Willow, Levi, CBJ, Track etc.)
@barney. Are you "Tom" from Laura's? Whoever you are, please leave MeAgain alone, especially her grief for her father.
ReplyDeleteThe best thing that can happen for Babygate is for articulate Wasillans to speak up without being automatically shot down. Gryphen can decide the value of what she gives him. We can each decide the value of her Broomfield comments.
1) The hostility towards MeAgain is pure BS, and I don't care whose side anyone claims to be on. She is clearly making people nervous.
ReplyDelete2) I also don't get the hostility towards the development of theories, or maybe call them hypotheses. We do have bits of evidence: a baby with ruffled ears, Bristol apparently sporting a baby bump in 9/2007, Trig's size and health at the NRC, the size & health of "little-boy blue," Tank's report of a toddler Tripp in 3/2008, etc. Evidence is great, but how do you consider evidence without asking, how does this square with other available evidence? Is there a theory that can explain what we think we know? We do need to be careful to distinguish theory and opinions from facts. But hypotheses lead to ideas, which can lead to directions for investigations. I have my own outstanding FOIA requests based on where one theory led me. Who knows what leads to what. I'm happy to see theories, as long as they're identified as such, and don't gloss over flatly contradictory evidence.
Kat
Anon 7:57 I don't come here pretending to be on anyone's side..I have been here since day one of the Palin story and I read All the blogs, I absolutely do not believe Sarah birthed Trig but there also seems to be a lot of muddying the waters without facts to back it up. Throwing something out there to see how many clicks you'll get does not help to get to the bottom of it. This blog is monitored but he still lets the trolls and fairy tales people thru. I just wish we could converse directly to each posters comments.
ReplyDeleteJust the facts? Since when ? How close is SO close and is that a fact? Not your finest hour Gryphen.
ReplyDeletebarney, dear, sorry you find things around here so intolerable.
ReplyDeleteWhenever someone gets on these threads and complains about all the anon posting (because barney we all know exactly who you are since you are providing us such ironclad information like 'barney') my radar goes up, immediately. That goes for complaints about MeAgain. Nothing about MeAgain and that thread should be objectionable, to anyone. The more people keep insisting it's a problem, however, the more I will believe she's got something.
Tells me MeAgain is making some people nervous, and tells me someone wants to keep track of commenters and their comments, if only through supposedly-non-anonymous-but-really-anonymous cutsie names.
;-)
I don't understand your connecting this news to that of Meg Stapleton leaving Sarah's employment, Gryphen. Can you explain? I've always wondered if Palin made Staplemouth sign some kind of agreement as to 'confidence' during her employment with them? What do you think?
ReplyDeleteGryphen,
ReplyDeleteYou may not wish, yet, to comment further on the involvement of the GOP in Sarah's hoax... but if you are willing to comment.... I'm wondering if you think GOP involvement included help in planning the hoax, or whether you believe the GOP merely kept quiet about a hoax that Sarah had planned and carried out on her own?
I found this link to pictures of Trig that show his ear.
ReplyDeletehttp://www.zimbio.com/photos/Sarah+Palin/Trig+Palin/2008+Republican+National+Convention+Day+3/xmR-N6rAa6W
I agree with 8:34 am. There is no evidence, other than various versions provided by Sarah Palin and some of her family members, that she was pregnant in 2007 and gave birth to Trig. That, to me, is a certainty.
ReplyDeleteIt is also highly unlikely that she would have adopted a baby with DS who is not a close family member. Sarah Palin is not the kind of person who would, out of the goodness of her heart, want to take on parenting a special-needs child. She was trying to cover up a family pregnancy, likely Bristol's, and protect her credibility with the far right and the fundamentalists.
Hopefully the whole story will come out someday and it will seal Sarah Palin's fate so that she will never be able to seek public office again. She has already done too much damage.
Who are these people who are taking Virginia Voter's and Gryphon's posts and taking them out of context? Give it a break, please, you are boring. I am use to the bots but it seems that there is a secondary attack from other sources going on. I have seen this for a week or so now. If I am mistaken, please let me know.
ReplyDeleteWhether I comment or not, I have read the blog every day since Palin's debut. . Gryphon, I enjoy your posts and your world view.
Virginia Voter, always love your comments.
That being said, it is true, that far out theories or scenarios will give this blog a bad rep. It will start to sound like we are the "Obama Birthers" and this blog will be discounted.
If the pregnancy hoax is ever revealed and I hope that it is, the explanation will defy most individuals' code of ethics.
To use an infant for political gain and show no caring for his needs, this is indeed a monstrous travesty. It is so sad. If Gryphon is the one with the scoop, he may relish the fact but he will be feeling so sorry for Trig's abuse. I read what he writes on this and many other subjects and he is a man with compassion.
Thank you for saying this. I am tired of the people who repeat everything "MeAgain" says as gospel despite the fact that she has never said anything anyone could not make up out of thin air.
ReplyDeleteI am also tired of the really dumb hypotheses about incest in the Palin family or Trig being the child of just about everyone in Alaska, etc. I'm also tired of those commenters who seem unable to say anything about the Palins without tying it to sex. There's just something wrong with that.
I hope visitors heed your advice and stop posting ridiculous nonsense that does more to discredit them than it does to discredit any of the Palins.
There is just so much that is verifiable that we can fault them for that I don't see the need to invent things.
And seriously, stop believing people who say they have inside information just because they have inside information but fail to provide one iota of evidence for their claims.
The research article on correcting ear abnormalities notes success with lop-ear and Stahl's deformity. Treatment started within 10 days of birth and the taping stayed in place for a month.
ReplyDeleteAnother site emphasizes that correction must be done during the brief window of time after birth when estrogen from the pregnancy is still circulating in the infants system. Treatment is reportedly 90% successful if started BEFORE the age of one month. Treatment requires the device be worn 24 hrs/day for 6 to 8 weeks.
http://www.physorg.com/news/2011-01-newborn-ear-deformities-surgery.html
Trig's ear abnormality wasn't either lop-ear or Stahl's and looks like it may be missing cartilage and not suitable for a taping procedure at all. And when and how old was he when the correction was supposedly done? I don't see it happening.
Theorizing in general detracts from the goal of promoting the pregnancy hoax.
To Brad and Laura,
ReplyDeleteThank you for all your effort! I enjoy reading Laura's blog. Brad, it took courage to publish your paper especially since you cited the media as willing particpants in this saga. Both of you like Gryphon are just searching for the truth. Thank you all, for your hard work.
Wow Gryphen, whatever the truth turns out to be this topic has always been a pressure cooker. I have been a loyal and avid daily reader of your blog for all these years. I am an Alaskan raised in Eagle River , so I find your blog to be the one that hits close to home. We all know there is something up behind this birth. Any normal woman would never to to such lengths to "hide a pregnancy ". Speculation, runs rampant and i gave up long ago on reading these sfar fetched ideas. I appreciate you stick with the basic facts, for me it is enough. I feel the answers will come. In the mean time this is the greatest unfolding story, it would be difficult to make up. The anticipation in waiting for the who done it ..ending is part of the mystery and allure.
ReplyDeleteCJB, Sarah & Todd, & maybe one or two hospital big wigs (one of them being a director of nurses type)would've been needed to pull-off the hoax. No other nurses' or aides, no office staff. Sarah arrives, the baby is brought in a rear entrance in the middle of the night, Sarah climbs into bed, the RN person hooks SP up to look like she's got an IV, Bristol & Levi get a call 'the baby has been "born,"' & the grandparents show up for a photo shoot. Any
ReplyDeleteperipheral hospital staff only know what their supervisor tells them, they're not hiding any
secrets. Very inlikely the birth mother has a clue where the baby went, so we can stop wondering when
she's going to step forward. I think too, that he was about 2 mos.
old when the hoax occurred. The thing that stands out to me about this mess, is how CJB dropped off the planet after the event.
Sharon TN
I am barney and I comment on many blogs as barney. No I am not Tom, Dick, Harry or whoever you want me to be.
ReplyDeleteI have been here ever since I left Huff. Post because of my comments not being printed because I offended some of the moderators who were in love with Sarah Palin.
I used to post here as barns/yarns until the nasty ones decided to be really nasty to me one day and I got tired of it. Gryphen knows exactly who I am because I sent him $100.00 several months ago as barns/yarns. I posted for a while after that incident as anomys but got tired of being anomys so I am barney now.
I am 63 yrs old, lover of animals and live on a farm in Virginia. I sent Obama $200.00 last month and $100.00 to Kaine.
I have my opinions and you have your opinions. I have asked Gryphen before to rework the comments section and people use names so we can reply to each other. I just do not place much value in meagain but that is my opinion.
If you think I am full of BS, who cares? I am fighting RA now and have started on Humira which is $600.00 every 2 weeks. Life is very short so I am not going to worry if you guys go all ballistic and threaten me.
Have a good day!
Here's an Occam's Razor scenario, and I'm addressing this to all the Mothers who like me have read this blog for three agonizing years.
ReplyDeleteWhat woman, and I don't care if she's a Governor, who has a newborn Down Syndrome baby, will opt to run for Vice President of the United States? This is an extreme ploy from a higher up conspiracy to end our Democracy. BTW Virginia Voter, I believe in a 9/11 cover up and that Lee Harvey Oswald didn't act alone.
barney, I have not threatened anyone. I found your complaints irritating because they echo some that have been made here by less- than-genuine posters. If I mis-judged you, I am sorry.
ReplyDeleteYou sound like you are someone who likes to converse with others. I have never turned to these threads for conversation (debate?) or companionship. I have found that those who are interested in that are often unhappy with the tone of things on many of these blogs anyway, though a few are more "friendly". Regina's old blog used to be very companionable, for example.
Not sure why you can't just keep posting as barney and be fine with it. There are a few who post here regularly using the same moniker; that works for them and that's fine. Insisting that everyone follow suit for your comfort, however, perhaps midjudges the nature of discourse around here. It's pretty intense as we unravel these Palin mysteries and get ever closer to the truth.
I am very sorry for your RA and your medication expenses. Let's keep fighting the GOP, because a White House under their "leadership" would not be good news in terms of Big Pharma and their greedy profit-making schemes.
I do disagree about MeAgain, and that's also fine. There have been many coming round to discourage any interest in MeAgain's posts, and I am quite sure much of that is to protect Sarah Palin, not to fight her lies.
Says Gryphen"
ReplyDelete"I also believe that this is the tip of a scandalous iceberg involving the Republican party, the media, and certain corporations who backed Palin."
Finally!
I've been coming to this conclusion more and more myself.
Sorry Virginia Voter but you are way too angry in your dismissal of those who believe in a 9-11 conspiracy; there are millions of us. Not fringe. I'd like to know where the points have been refuted though.
ReplyDeleteThe thing about using anonymous, is that you don't get to know the commenter. Obviously, Onething isn't my real name, but it's a name that I stick with so we can have something closer to a dialog.
Something just occurred to me about this picture. The top of the baby's left ear seen in the picture is higher than the level of the eye. Downs babies have low ears as can be seen on Trig in later pictures. The low ears ( top of the ear being below the level of the eye)is one of their distinguishing features. ????????
ReplyDeleteG-
ReplyDeleteCan you ask a pediatric ophthalmologist (eye doc) when eyes cross? I looked @ different pics, could swear baby did not have crossed eyes @ RNC or on plane with Willow now does/did. Just my 2 cents worth.
Thank you Elmo. Using "theory" instead of "hypothesis" leads to sloppy thinking- like "evolution is only a theory". A theory isn't a guess!
ReplyDeleteJeez you guys. Barney... Virginia voter...Phoebes...Gasman.. Beldar... and even you, Sweet Anon, hiding there w/o even a fake name, and all the others I fail to remember just this minute: this community would not be the same w/o any of you. I personally value each and every one of you, and your opinions. Even the trolls reveal more than they know by their posts. Can we just all get along?
ReplyDeleteAnon, any of you, all of you, please stay and contribute here. Your absence would lessen us all.
But, as Anon, to call out one of us by name is not any kind of contribution. I read you Anon, but mostly I just go, pffft! Especially if you are trying to boot one of us from our community here. Many comment as Anon, and have good additions here. We would like to know you better, but you gotta drop the Anon shield thingy.
Also.. I shouldn't have to point this out, but this is Gryphen's blog. He has graciously provided his best efforts to get us all together, and I for one, give him a lot of respect. However he wants to run this place is non-negotiable, unless he wants to change it himself.
I don't always agree w/you, Barney, but when I see your name, I know who you are and always read. Pay no attention to Anon...we don't really know them, do we? All of you who are not afraid to name yourselves here get extra attention from me. I feel like you are my friends, and look forward to your posts.
Also.. this is not necessarily a palin blog, though it takes up most of our time here. Please, for those of you who are disappointed that we discuss other topics here, take a minute to read Gryphen's mission statement, top left, front page.
Also, too.. we need to laugh once in awhile here. If you don't think the little jokes are worth a grin, why do you feel it necessary to display your uptight lack of humor? It is condescending at best.
Jesse, I so appreciate what you do, and support wtf-ever way you choose to d it. Thanks for everything. And again. And again.
@Sweet anny--well said.
ReplyDelete"Can you ask a pediatric ophthalmologist (eye doc) when eyes cross? I looked @ different pics, could swear baby did not have crossed eyes @ RNC or on plane with Willow now does/did. "
ReplyDeleteIt would be pretty horrible if Willow crossed her eyes knowing that the baby was eventually going to be cross-eyed too.
For some time, Gryphen, I've been trying to tell people I thought Ruffles was the baby of one of Mercede's girlfriends. After you did your post on his ear, I was curious and went to facebook and read all of Mercede's comments. I also read all of her girlfriends. Without mentioning any names, this is what I came up with:
ReplyDeleteOne of her girlfriends was pregnant and expecting the end of Feb., 2008. From the pictures I saw on all the facebook pages, she was quite the party girl. It would not have surprised me if her baby had FAS. I'm just telling what I saw and read there.
Now, I think it was after all this that I saw--over at Palingates--a post that had a picture of someone who frequently partied with Mercede and also with Bristol. This person had the same ear pattern as Ruffles and was related to Mercede's girlfriend who was pregnant. I think this condition was genetic.
When I went back to try and find the picture, it was gone. All of the facebook pages had been changed to reflect a totally different scenario. I've tried to stop talk about Ruffles because it is such a distraction from the babygate hoax.
Hopefully, Gryph, your post will do it.
As Christopher Hitchens says, " I don't care WHAT you think; I care HOW you think."
ReplyDeleteUnfortunately there are people on "our side" who are not the sharpest crayon in the box" and/or do not have good critical thinking skills.
The TRUTH is what is important and people need to keep their ego's out of their thinking as well as learning it is not a "weakness" to support your assertions or hypothesis.
In science, where truth is the ultimate and only goal, debate is welcomed when alternative ideas are supported and well thought out. NO ONE wants to listen to what a sloppy thinker has to say. It is a waste of ink on paper.
Too many use the comment section to vent frustration, anger etc. Not a problem EXCEPT when it is couched as a "theory."
And yes, a "theory" comes after "hypothesis" is stays a "theory" until it is disproved.
We must all play devils advocate with ourselves before putting pen to page.
What a bore to have to wade through huge comments to find the writer did not respect his audience enough to think things through throughly and to provide support.
Gryphen,you are doing the right thing to ask people to regard this matter with more "gravitas."
And might I add, I have never forgotten and never will forget that warm taco salad. Really wonderful!
Betsy S,
ReplyDeleteI am a liberal, feminist, breadwinner and mother of two aspiring feminists...but you are absolutely right. I think it's an unspoken red flag that many mothers see, and because the right wing is so rabid in their attacks very few journalists or commentators touched the issue. How absurd that the party that voted to allow hospitals to send women who are dying during childbirth off to another hospital rather than perform a life-saving abortion can claim to take the high road on women's rights, but we all know they will, and do, and their stupid sycophants nod approvingly at their hypocrisy. Long answer to your question: No Fucking Way. I imagine most men would do the same thing, turn down the more stressful and demanding position to be better able to provide the extra care a child with a disability needs, but especially when said child has just been produced from your very loins. No Fucking Way.
Anon 1:44, when you get your own blog perhaps then you can tell others how to comment and whom to consider as having legitimate information. Until then, Bristol, perhaps you can go take care of your brood.
ReplyDelete"Add to that the fact that Todd Palin suddenly dropped out of the Iron Dog snowmachine race four hours after my post..."
ReplyDeleteWow. And Palin's the narcissist. Todd dropped out because there were crappy weather conditions that year and his partner injured his back. A lot of teams scratched that year. The idea that that was somehow linked to you, is by far the funniest thing I've heard all week.
@Anonymous 8:21
"It would be pretty horrible if Willow crossed her eyes knowing that the baby was eventually going to be cross-eyed too."
She was crossing her eyes because she was a kid acting silly for a picture. For Pete's sake, I don't think you people are capable of perceiving reality.
Someone I know was born without cartilage in her ears. They did surgery to fix it early on.
ReplyDeleteThe fact that "adults" are spending their time discussing a baby's ear is priceless. And sad.
ReplyDelete@Sharon TN - I would like to add to your read on the hospital. That hospital, as it has been reported before, is run by the church that Palin and CBJ belong to. Palin and CBJ are higher ups in their church so it would not be beyond doubt that they could/would have the say in the set up of her hoax. There are the under-lying elements that (1) CBJ has worked well in the local community for abused women and kids and desparate families that are in need of help. That being said she would know about babies, kids that need placement. (2) most of the records that the church kept on these families and kids were burned in a suspicious fire at the church that was determined it was set and it only burned the room that had the records in it. (3) James Dobson leader of Focus on the Family vacations in Alaska. He has met several times with Palin even before she was elected to the governorship because she was starting to make waves in the repub party as an up and coming evangelical political leader. All republicans that are serious about national politics go through James Dobson or Frank Graham for the support of the christian right evangelical vote. It is going to be proven one way or the other that James Dobson pushed Palin into the McCain camp because she could bring in the evangelical vote and because she had her version of birthing Trig. Now we know she did not birth Trig but did Dobson know? She can't prove it nor can she came clean with any back up records because they have been distroyed in the fire. If Palin lied to Dobson to gain the nod for the vp position then Dobson is going to kick her sorry ass to hell and slam the door.
ReplyDeleteAnon 4:15, you know what's sad? The fact that Sarah Palin could have ended all this unnecessary speculation about her daughter's womb and her son/adopted child/grandson's (take your pick) ear oh so many months ago. Yes, in fact, she could have made all of us--every last person who ever said, 'hmmmm, how odd that she says she flew all those hours while in labor? I've never heard of someone doing that'--look like losers and insane conspiracy theorists with just one appointment card, sonogram snapshot, photo of said child in the hospital bed with his "mother," really oh-so-many-things that birth mothers have when they have actually given birth to the child they claim is their biological child. It's sad, honey, that your mom didn't do that and hung you out to dry.
ReplyDeleteAnon @ 4:15, every time you write something like that it just tells us it's something Sarah doesn't want us to keep talking about. Thanks for that confirmation.
ReplyDeleteI am one of a number of anons who post here and truly don't feel I have to justify my choices in that regard. Silly to have a conversation about it, really.
The one caveat I'd add to the "only post things that have been very carefully considered using proper scientific method" is that we DO need to think outside the box sometimes. And sometimes that can bring up some "crazy" theories. If everyone thinks everything they say has to be pre-vetted, so to speak, they will perhaps hold back on an idea that will help us go forward. I know folks think Audrey's site was exhaustive, and it was incredible as are so many others, but I would bet even she would say there was so much still unanswered by the time she had to stop.
It is very interesting to consider that perhaps a mole or two might think the best possible way to discourage potentially productive speculation around here would be to beg for more "rigor". Make the parameters more strict, and hopefully the wild truth might not get through. Brilliant.
I personally don't think it matters if we appear to be like Trig Truthers. We couldn't possibly. There is already a mountain of circumstantial evidence. We sit at the periphery, however, but with these ideas slowly seeping into commonly held thought - perhaps more than we realize. Breaking through to mainstream media coverage is another matter.
I will always be suspicious when people attempt to get people to identify their comments with a posting name. In a more innocent context, though, I think for some they just want this to be a simpler conversation to follow. Take away the use of anon and we may find out there are only 5 people commenting, haha! (Not really, I think there are far more.)
Gryphen,
ReplyDeleteAs a daily reader, though not poster (no facts to report), I couldn't agree more with your caution.
Keep up your good work, I'm keeping on reading, whether idiot Palin stands a chance to hold any office or not.
And yes, I'm European, so I'll totally understand if you censor my contribution - but I want to tell at least you that I'm not alone in being deeply concerned with which moron American politics are up to unleashing on our heads.
Bush years have been pretty bad for Europe (Madrid and London bombings, hatred towards anything French), and much worse for the Eastern World (Iraq war, Afghanistan war, Pakistan close to implosion - while Bin Laden was allowed to stay operating). I don't care for the higher-ups, I'm talking of the civilians here, the ones who ended up mashed by bombs, be it from official war or from religious terrorism.
It's gotten a bit better with Obama, but most of this lasting Bush damage isn't over yet.
In order for adults to stand a chance in the American elections - in the face of those moronic puppets backed by corporations and MSM - debunking this Palin woman's rise to power is an absolute priority.
Thanks for your good work, Griffen, on behalf of the rest of the World. Your efforts in preventing a Palin from getting elected are sure to improve the image of Americans abroad.