Friday, March 29, 2013

Rachel Madddow presents the newest information about the Newtown massacre.

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Clearly this kid went on this spree utilizing the same tactics that one uses while playing his favorite video game, "Call of Duty." In other words he used pseudo military tactics and assault style weapons to massacre the youngest children in an elementary school.

The New York Times has more: 

At the school, he used a Bushmaster XM15-E2S semiautomatic rifle to fire 154 shots, the statement said. The police also found 10 30-round magazines for the gun, many of them partly or fully emptied. 

Mr. Lanza also carried two semiautomatic handguns, one of which he used to kill himself. The police found a 12-gauge shotgun in the car he drove to the school. 

The inventories attached to the warrants delineated pertinent items found by police in the home that Mr. Lanza shared with his mother, a two-story house with dark green shutters at 36 Yogananda Street in Newtown. Ms. Lanza was a gun enthusiast who often took her son to shooting ranges. She was divorced from his father, Peter Lanza, a General Electric executive. 

The items included more than 1,600 rounds of ammunition bullets, some of them housed in a Planters peanut can and a Nike shoe box, and an array of weapons found in a brown safe and in bedroom closets. The lists mention four guns, including the shotgun found in the black Honda Civic that Mr. Lanza drove to Sandy Hook, and 70 shotgun shells found in the car. There were two rifles, including the one used to kill Nancy Lanza, as well as a BB gun and a starter pistol. 

The police also found a certificate from the National Rifle Association bearing the name Adam Lanza. The type of certificate was not clear. The organization said on Thursday that Adam Lanza and Nancy Lanza were not members. 

There was also a receipt from a shooting range in Oklahoma, an N.R.A. guide to the basics of pistol shooting and training manuals on the use of a variety of firearms, including a Bushmaster.

You know it is almost beside the point to consider this young man's mental condition in this discussion. In my opinion there is just NO reason for a civilian in America to have this kind of firepower. 

And don't give me that bullshit "target shooting" or "gun collector" excuse either. ANYBODY can lose their grip on reality, due to heartbreak, job loss, or a myriad of other reasons.

The difference between most people in this country and these gun nuts is that when I get depressed, or sad, I eat ice cream or open a bottle of wine. I don't load my guns in a car and kill a bunch of innocent people. Nor, when I'm in a calmer state of mind,  do I accumulate an arsenal in preparation to do so.

Adam Lanza could have had any mental illness you can imagine, and played violent video games until his thumbs fell off, but without access to these weapons he would have been relatively harmless. Looking for excuses in order to protect American's rights to imagine themselves as Rambo of Dirty Harry, is a waste of time.

The reason that so many of our fellow citizens have had their bodies pulverized until they can no longer cling to life is obvious.  And the solution is equally as obvious.

32 comments:

  1. Anonymous1:15 PM

    OMG, look at this list!

    Newtown shooter Lanza had more than 1,700 rounds of ammunition in his house

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/special/national/newtown-search-warrant-items/?hpid=z2

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  2. Anonymous1:25 PM


    "And don't give me that bullshit "target shooting" or "gun collector" excuse either. ANYBODY can lose their grip on reality, due to heartbreak, job loss, or a myriad of other reasons."

    Hmmmm, but you'll believe the official government line that the reason Homeland security is stockpiling 1.6 BILLION rounds of ammo is for "target practice".

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    1. Anonymous2:13 PM

      Sarah? Is that you?

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    2. Anonymous2:16 PM

      Oh don't even start with that cockamamie myth/conspiracy that being parroted all over the right wing. 'The big bad government is gonna come and get us'. Trust me, you idiot, if the government wanted to get ya, no amount of weaponry would stop them. Take off your tin hat and get a grip. You're losing your mind if you give any credence to such a bizarre Alex Jones type of fear mongering.

      You guys carried on about how Obama was gonna do this, that and the other, and none of that has come to pass. Nope, the WHITE House is still WHITE, no muslim terrorist cells have been unleashed on Washington, no enslavement has happened to the 'white' people as retribution for slavery, none of that nonsense has come to pass, since that's all it is...nonsense. And the new nonsense is this insanity about Obama is coming to take your guns...really, get a grip.

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    3. Anonymous2:17 PM

      I feel a lot safer with those weapons/ammo being under strict control - yes, even government control - as opposed to some anonymous person who reports to no one.

      Incidents are still going to happen as long as there ARE weapons, no matter if it's a civilian or not. But to give a pass to gun "enthusiasts" is plain stupid.

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    4. Randall2:27 PM

      Anon 1:25,

      Having trouble discerning the difference between someone, anyone at all, really, with no back-ground check done buying ammo and Homeland Security officials - who have extensive background checks done?

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    5. Anonymous2:42 PM

      Cops, politicians, and military are all humans and commit about as many horrendous crimes as the general population. Yet you'd rather see them armed and everybody else disarmed?

      http://www.nytimes.com/2003/04/28/us/tacoma-police-chief-shoots-wife-before-killing-himself-authorities-say.html

      http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/state-police-dead-shooting-pa-market-18831045#.UVYXn1eU9Ao

      http://www.newser.com/story/99106/delusional-fbi-agent-plotted-to-kill-cheating-wife-boss.html

      http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/07/14/texas-mayor-teen-daughter-shot-dead-home/

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  3. Dis Gusted1:47 PM

    6 guns is not an arsenal, I'm sorry.


    and the media is full of lies as well. For example, the investigator suggested that the mother gave Adam Lanza a holiday check for a gun. His reasoning is that the memo said C183.

    a C183 is a Kodak camera, NOT a GUN.


    it makes a good story though. and it's all bout the readers.

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    1. Anonymous2:27 PM

      6 guns is not an arsenal for a 25 year old man. 6 guns is not an arsenal for a special need 25 year old man. It is just 6 guns, that's all.

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    2. Anonymous2:29 PM

      There is a CZ83 handgun, though:

      http://www.ammoland.com/2013/03/what-is-a-c183-handgun/#axzz2OyE9RBfe

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    3. Anonymous4:15 PM

      His mother is authorizing that. It must be alright.

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    4. Anonymous8:28 PM

      the search warrant page 34 indicates the check said C183....not CZ-83.


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    5. Anonymous9:22 PM

      Actually, what the search warrant says is that exhibit #612 is a holiday card with a Bank of America check made out to Adam Lanza for the purchase of a "C183 (Firearm)", authored by Nancy Lanza.

      What that tells me -- the exact wording of "C183 (Firearm)" -- is that either the person transcribing the information made a typo, or Nancy Lanza did. Until the check is shown, we simply have to disagree on what we think it is.

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  4. Anonymous1:48 PM

    Newtown Killer’s Obsessions, in Chilling Detail

    Inside the rambling, pale-yellow Colonial-style home in a Connecticut suburb, Adam Lanza lived amid a stockpile of disparate weaponry and macabre keepsakes: several firearms, more than 1,600 rounds of ammunition, 11 knives, a starter pistol, a bayonet, 3 samurai swords. He saved photographs of what appeared to be a corpse smeared in blood and covered in plastic, as well as a newspaper clipping that chronicled a vicious shooting at Northern Illinois University.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/29/nyregion/search-warrants-reveal-items-seized-at-adam-lanzas-home.html?src=recg

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    1. Dis Gusted8:29 PM

      the picture of the body wrapped in plastic is the most bizarre thing in the story and it's not even covered.

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  5. Anonymous1:53 PM

    Hear Hear Gryphen!

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  6. Anonymous2:03 PM

    Assault rifle with thermal scope stolen from car of top Utah gun lobbyist

    http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/03/29/assault-rifle-with-thermal-scope-stolen-from-car-of-top-utah-gun-lobbyist/

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  7. Randall2:23 PM

    Republicans want to drug-test welfare recipients, but not gun buyers (illegal aliens, terrorists, gang members, ex-cons, etc) ...isn't that interesting?

    Republicans insist people have an I.D. to vote, but not to buy unlimited amounts of ammo.

    ...interesting.

    Wayne LaPierre insists that the only way to stop a bad guy with a gun, is a good guy with a gun. It's too bad Adam Lanza's mom didn't have a gun. Oh, wait...

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  8. The police also found a certificate from the National Rifle Association bearing the name Adam Lanza. The type of certificate was not clear. The organization said on Thursday that Adam Lanza and Nancy Lanza were not members.

    Now, THERE'S some BS!

    When I was a young teen my brother and I took .22 rifle shooting lessons at the local county sheriff's rifle range. We couldn't even buy ammo to practice with unless we joined the NRA, and we were members for the year we continued lessons. We never paid dues after that, but I'll bet we're still counted as members.

    We got certificates, too, after we completed the year of lessons. I was a "sharpshooter". I can't remember what rank my brother achieved, but his eyesight wasn't as good as mine... ;-)

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  9. Anonymous2:37 PM

    CNN’s John Avlon Rips Apart Palin For Using Consultants On ‘Every Issue Imaginable’ Despite Railing Against Them

    During her CPAC speech earlier this month, Sarah Palin railed against political consultants, diminishing their value and emphasizing a more grassroots form of political activism. Unfortunately for Palin, as CNN’s John Avlon reported this afternoon, the former governor herself has spent a “vast amount of money” on consultants.

    “The next election is 20 months away. Now is the time to furlough the consultants, tune out the pollsters, and send the focus groups home, and toss the political scripts,” Palin told the Conservative Political Action Conference. “Because if we truly know what we believe we don’t need professionals to tell us.”

    “There’s a big irony alert that should be posted over her speech now,” Avlon told host Wolf Blitzer this afternoon. “In addition to it being a very well-written speech by a speechwriter, what the FEC filings for her PAC show is that the vast amount of the money raised and spent in the last election cycle was on consultants. It did not go to candidates. In fact, less than $300,000 went to candidates. She spent more on her top consultant than she did on all the candidates she doled out money to.”

    “There are consultants for every issue imaginable in SarahPAC,” he added before suggesting that when people donate to PACs like Palin’s, they “think they’re getting political action,” but really all they’re doing is “feeding a whole subcategory of a consultant industry out there, the partisan economy.”

    Avlon then ran through the list of various consultants employed by Palin’s political action committee: issue consultants, management consultants, logistical consultants, speechwriting consultants, grassroot outreach consultants (an “oxymoron,” remarked the CNN contributor).

    Asked whether she has substantial influence within the GOP anymore, Avlon said that Palin is still “an influencer,” but not the “king maker” she believes herself to be. “We’re somewhere between business and racket right now,” Avlon concluded of Palin’s PAC model.

    Watch below, via CNN:


    http://www.mediaite.com/tv/cnns-john-avlon-rips-apart-palin-for-using-consultants-for-every-issue-imaginable-despite-railing-against-them/

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  10. Anonymous2:41 PM

    Watch: Dudes With Loaded Guns Face Off Against Moms Demand Action At Gun Protest

    While some members of Moms Demand Action stood behind President Obama at Thursday’s White House speech on preventing gun violence, other members of the group were facing down armed counter-protesters at the Statehouse in Indianapolis, Indiana. According to ThinkProgress, four men carrying loaded weapons were joined by Melinda Porter, who runs the 434 likes-strong anti-gun control group Indiana Moms Against Gun Control. The optics of assault weapons vs. moms is arguably not fair to the anti-gun regulation folks, but the real magic happens when the gun nuts open their mouths.

    It was Moms Demand Action member Katerina Rodgaard who introduced President Obama at Thursday’s White House event. Katerina was a dance instructor who lost a student in the Virginia Tech mass shooting. While Katerina was listening to the President’s speech, Moms Demand Action’s Nicky McNally was leading a protest at the Indiana statehouse in Indianapolis. Nicky brought her kids with her. The other side brought the heat.

    In Washington, it can be tough to get a straight answer out of opponents of sensible gun regulations, where the arguments mainly consist of what “can pass” and what they can ignore completely. Out in the real world, though, things are much simpler. If a group of moms hold a demonstration to advocate for gun regulations, you show up with assault weapons, loaded with a couple of bullets for each mom. Those weapons may have given the counter-protesters a sense of physical security, but they couldn’t protect them against the onslaught of two simple questions. Indianapolis TV station WTHR caught several exchanges between the groups, including one in which a gun regulation advocate asks a counter-protester holding what appears to be an AR-15 with a 30-round magazine, “Do you know anyone who goes hunting with this?”

    One of the men repeatedly insists that he does, but the man with the gun finally replies, “This is not about hunting, for me. For some people, it is.”

    The reporter asks him “So, what do you do with it?”

    Echoing the Newtown non-hecklers of grieving father Neil Heslin, the man replies, “It is my right to have this firearm, and I don’t have to defend, or show a need for, this firearm to own it.”

    If lawmakers were this honest, the gun debate would be much more productive, since there are proven constitutional limits to the right to bear arms.

    But in a later segment, Indiana Mom Against Gun Control Melinda Porter delivers the most priceless of responses to a question about background checks. “I know him,” she says, “and I could sell him a gun. I know he’s not going to do anything wrong with it. And that doesn’t require a background check.”

    Okay, that’s progress, can we get a Universal Vouch For Your Fellow Gun Nut bill past the NRA?

    Later in the clip, Nicky McNally asks one of the armed men “What’s the purpose of walking around with (the 30-round loaded AR) today?”

    “It’s obviously a demonstration,” he replied, “because a lot of people believe that this is some kind of vicious item, this is nothing but a tool.”

    “Nothing but a tool.” Now that’s a bumper sticker. To be fair to “a lot of people,” though, it is a tool for killing up to thirty of something in under a minute. A gang of ninja turkeys?

    Sadly, back in Washington, it still appears that those four guys and their hundred or so bullets outweigh the voices of those moms, and their kids. We’ll see how long that math holds up.

    Here are both segments, from WTHR:

    http://www.mediaite.com/online/watch-dudes-with-loaded-guns-face-off-against-moms-demand-action-at-gun-protest/

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  11. Anonymous2:46 PM

    http://www.mediaite.com/tv/blitzer-grills-ben-carson-over-his-gayspedophile-remark-you-understand-how-offensive-that-might-be/

    Blitzer Grills Ben Carson Over His Gays/Pedophile Remark: ‘You Understand How Offensive That Might Be?’

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  12. Anonymous2:52 PM

    Another smart stupid person.

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  13. Anonymous4:26 PM

    I'm not a conspiracy theorist by any means, but I believe that since the government is allowed to have "assault" weapons, civilians should be allowed to as well to defend themselves. What if there is some type of economic collapse or the government really does turn against the people(they have already shown they are not always on the side of the people.) Shouldn't we be allowed to protect ourselves, property, and family if it did come to such a dark time? Why let government have all the power and leave ourselves unprotected? I'd love to hear your thoughts on this Jesse. In a respectful manner of course, but I think this is something that should be discussed or understood even if you are anti-gun.

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    1. Anonymous4:36 PM

      I should mention I voted for Obama,am anti-republican, and do believe in background checks even for gun shows. I just do not believe we should be putting faith in the government to always be on our side.

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    2. Anonymous5:16 PM

      Look around you. Do you really trust just any old "civilian" to safely own assault weapons?

      The gun lobbyist in Utah who just had his AR-15 stolen out of his car taught classes on gun safety. That's a guy who should know better and now his rifle is in the hands of who knows who (probably someone who is even less trustworthy).

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    3. Anonymous8:12 PM

      Listen... Our government doesn't control "we the people" we have the knowledge and the power to overthrow our government if it came down to it. I'm just saying guns will not be the game changer if the government lost control. Even if I believed that, I'm sure having a gun might help in the short term but that's what a gun is, a short term solution. Just think about it.

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    4. Anonymous9:49 PM

      Government has nuclear bombs. That would level the field when we all get our own nukes.

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  14. Anonymous6:29 PM

    Zombies?

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  15. Anonymous8:53 PM

    Powerful post, G. One of your best.

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  16. I wish I could take my father's guns away from him. He is becoming more unhinged as he watches Fox News and absorbs those damn Fw,Fw,Fw emails.

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  17. Anonymous6:54 AM

    I really wish that you hadn't equated "normal people as dealing with depression by "eating ice cream ordrinking wine." Most of those with major depressive disorder seek to harm themselves not others. Guns are kinda irrelevent because even without access there are plenty of other ways to commit suicide. Ice cream is not a solution and drinking, an oft used coping mechanism, is the worst option.

    Those with homicidal tendancies will also find other ways to satisfy that demon. Bombs are more popular and effective in many countries where gun access is more difficult/expensive. And depression has nothing to do with those murderous rages. I realize that is not the be all end allof that argument, i just think u aredoing a huge disservice to both gunviolence and mental illness advocacy.

    I'm a democrat who is not a gun control advocate. There are too many flaws in the current situation and proposed solutions. I am a gun owner with many firearms and ammo for target practice, hunting and self defense ( i live in a rural area). I don't fear the govt because i'm smart enough to know they would overpower us no matter what (duh!). What i fear are the idiot, angry radical citizens that seem to be increasing in number and stupidity. Oh, and also if anything were to happen re: natural disasters and/or the disruption of ours or world economy. While I am a social liberal i don't assume or expect others to be as altruistic.

    Just my .02.

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