A 23-year-old man has been arrested on suspicion of committing a hate crime and arson in connection with a Southern California mosque fire, authorities said Saturday.
Carl James Dial Jr., of Palm Desert, was arrested late Friday and booked for investigation of commission of a hate crime, arson, maliciously setting a fire and burglary, according to a Riverside County sheriff's statement and jail records.
Dial was being held in lieu of $150,000 bail.
The police have not released a motive yet, but young man's father knows just who to blame:
"He was caught up in social media. Social media has produced people like my son, without person-to-person contact," the father said. "I believe he was lacking in social skills."
Yeah darn that social media for causing people to set mosques on fire.
Somehow I doubt that will work as much of a defense.
Sadly, there are lots of parents who refuse to take responsibility for their own failures as parents and refuse to let others blame their children when they screw up royally.
ReplyDeleteScrew up? He bombed a building! That is not screwing up , screwing up is making a mistake when doing a crossword puzzle in ink, he committed domestic terrorism.
DeleteIf by that you mean not policing son's internet use when he was a child, try doing so today. They almost all need smart phones, which are often used in the classroom. Textbooks are on line. Assignments are worked on line collaboratively or turned in online. You can't look over their shoulder 24/7. Denying a kid imternet access today is like denying them an enclyclopedia, paper and pencil were 40 years ago.
DeleteThank you, 11:40. The comments here are pretty simplistic and naive.
DeleteYep, blame it on someone/something except where the fault lies. Did daddy also buy him a gun to assuage his paranoia? That seems to be how these types roll.
ReplyDeleteIt is awesome how fast the perp was caught.
ReplyDeleteADN December 11, 2015 California mosque fire
https://www.adn.com/article/20151211/arson-suspected-california-mosque-fire
They did not waste anytime getting the FBI involved.
DeleteFBI investigates California mosque fire
A fire reported as a possible arson damaged a Southern California mosque on Friday, authorities reported.
http://www.tristatehomepage.com/news/fbi-investigates-california-mosque-fire?dpr=1
In Cal they are nothing like Ak church terrorism.
DeleteNancy French is busy playing Bristol Palin and she was right there to write her bullshit, link to the Southern Baptist Convention.
Most important she was selling a book for Sarah Palin.
Here is the title of December 9, 2015 by Bristol Palin propaganda if you want to view it. Not going to link.
Planned Parenthood shooter said he “did it for the babies,” but don’t call him “pro-life”
Remember the PP killer's girlfriend was taken away to hide. They do not treat this terrorist like he was radicalized and his relationship with his partner is mostly ignored.
The Bristol Blog ignored the fact the Wasilla Bible Church was torched by a terrorist (anniversary yesterday). There was a pizza man that was emotional over a Church's tip.
Sandy Hook is anniversary is tomorrow. Is Nancy bold enough to reveal she is with the FAU guy.
There silence and distraction for WBC says a lot.
His pop may have kept a gallon of gasoline in the shed. Ma may have kept matches in the kitchen.
ReplyDeleteSounds like dad has never managed to find the time to take the kid fishing.
ReplyDeleteHe probably spent time at a Trump rally with Dad and they most likely watched Faux Snooz together.
DeleteThe hell social media made him do it. He did it because he wanted to. And I hope they throw the book at him as hard and thoroughly as they can. The more violent racist bigot assholes off the street, the better.
ReplyDeleteSocial media only radicalizes certain terrorists, not all terrorists. Everybody knows that.
DeleteISIS are the only ones smart enough to effectively utilize social media. Carl James Dial Jr.is stupid.
Homeland Security has explained how ISIS are the smart ones when it comes to social media.
Throw the book at him?
DeleteHe'll get a slap on the wrist, they set his bail at 150K.
10:28 (and all the other time stamps you are), you are a fool.
Delete10:28 made an interesting point that seems to be lost here. Trump and Palin and all the other hateful dog whistle types are no different than ISIS in that they have the potential to reach dissatisfied, angry malcontents and inspire them.
DeleteYes, 11:47 AM, and in the name of God? Hardly.
DeleteNowhere in the bible does it say that you get a pass if you're a politican. #sweet freedom my butt. They stir up the hate and enjoy every minute.
21 year old man? Lacking social skills?
ReplyDeleteOh, I gotcha, he is white.
Looks like a domestic terrorist to me. But then I judge people from their actions, not the color of their skin.
I'm sorry but as any parent knows, you don't control your child's actions. Would that I could with my 16 year old. We see young people seduced by terrorists online only to hear their parents express horror at it. (Recent NYT article on this very topic.) I have compassion for the father until hear some reason not to. Pray for peace.
ReplyDeleteI have known parents whose children have mental illness or drug addictions and I can understand how difficult it can be to control a child who is going down the wrong path.
DeleteHowever, in all of the cases I know, the parents were well aware of the problems and tried repeatedly to find solutions. Sometimes it just doesn't work and the parent is helpless to fix the problem.
What angers me are the parents who are oblivious to the fact their little angel has acquired a cache of guns and bomb-making materials under their own roof, and will insist that dear, sweet Johnny has NEVER done a naughty thing in his life so it MUST be some else's fault.
And when you're done with useless feel good exercises like praying. Do something like useful like voting, helping minority communities and being a good volunteer or neighbor.
DeleteAgreed. Hell, I have tea party nuts in my family and I damn sure disagree with everything about them.
DeleteBy 16 it's pretty much too late. Has to happen regularly as they are maturing. It's called teaching Family Values.
DeleteBut even at 16 my parents were able to control us plenty if we stepped wrong.
No car.
No phone.
No TV. (Nowadays that would include computer.)
Restriction or grounding (as in home arrest).
Chore such as grass mowing or dish washing.
These problems either start early and by the time the parents recognize they need to do something it is too late or there is a medical cause which nothing could do anything about (like schizophrenia).
I'll bet this father left all of the child rearing to the wife and neither has any discipline skills so the kids basically did anything they wanted.
And yet this act of domestic terrorism is being treated so lightly he was given $150,000 in bail, which means he only has to come up with 15 grand to get loose.
ReplyDeleteA agree about the bail amount, it should be at least twice that high. But 15K is still a lot of money; maybe the judge took his financial demographic into consideration.
DeleteAs far as I'm concerned they can just jail him now and throw away the key; he's a terrorist.
@ Balzafair
DeleteReally? You really think a domestic terrorist should be let back out in the community at all?
He fire bombed a house of worship with people inside.
Helps to be white and Christian and male. Helps a WHOLE lot.
Delete"I believe he was lacking in social skills."
ReplyDeleteOK, Dad, just whose fault will you make that be? Parents have a certain amount of responsibility in their offspring's upbringing.
Carl Jr. may not have had good special ed when in school. Is he a drop out? Latchkey kid/lockkey kids, are they still around? Home schooled? Lockkey kids use to be raised by the television. Remember they had to have designer jeans? In the day advertising was programming those kids.
DeleteThe United States has some problems. Not all terrorists are from the same mold or use the same tools.
They all have terrorism in common.
It is a fascinating study to observe the difference in treatment of various terror.
Terrorism in the United States. The Planned Parenthood perp, Robert Lewis Dear, Jr. Terrorised many. Shot dead three people. Garrett Swasey, 44, Ke'Arre M. Stewart, 29, Jennifer Markovsky, 35.
Markovsky was accompanying a friend to the clinic.
Only Fox News Reported Planned Parenthood Was Cleared of ‘Selling Baby Parts’
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/only-fox-news-reported-planned-parenthood-was-cleared-of-selling-baby-parts/
I missed Bristol Palin, political pundit, when she wrote about clearing Planned Parenthood.
The latest is that the perp is not pro-life.
http://liveactionnews.org/planned-parenthood-shooter-not-prolife/
Well of course liveactionnews.org doesn't want to claim the perp, since it is an anti-choice web site, but it's too late for that -- way too late. And anyone who cites it as a source is just as full of shit as it is.
DeleteWait a minute there 10:45. What about you need to work hard to jobs, longer hours no unions etc. No living wage minimum
DeleteYou know, one parent could choose to be home with some of the above taken care of.
Bristol or Sarah Nancy did bail out the Planned Parenthood perp with the he is not pro-life spiel. They say no murderer is pro-life.
DeleteIf you ask me he looks like a guy that was trained on how to behave if he was caught. He could say 'for the babies' just don't mention anything that sounds like an organization, do the lone killer routine. Do not mention if you listen or read any extreme perspectives.
The SB terrorist did not have the advantages of a kid like Track Palin who can live in a nice garage apt by a lake.
DeleteHis parents did not have the DOD write his work resume for him and make stuff up. He was disadvantaged. A faked resume is better than no resume.
Did the SB terrorist have many jobs since leaving school?
Did Bristol clear up the Planned Parenthood "selling baby parts" and the shooter who did it "for the babies"?
Delete3 years for Sandy Hook killings. There were something like 25-30 victims that are dead.
When the San Bernardino Mosque killing was happening I heard reports saying it was the worst, most victims of any US shootings. They mentioned 16 victims and said that was the worst mass shooting. WTF?
I haven't read the latest about it didn't happen, according to the man in Florida. Are people that work in media buying into that?
I know exactly what this father means. No matter how good a parent one tries to be, as kids grow up they become more and more influenced by the outside world. In some ways this is good and necessary, as it's where they have to live as adults. But the internet has brought both good and bad to us all, and if the kid has not developed good discriminatory skills he/she can be taken in by it, especially if it comes at them at a time when they are trying to establish their own identity separate from their parents. My kids sure went through versions of this (i.e. If mom/dad says it, it is automatically rejected). I am wondering if this guy was the kind of kid who tended to spend inordinate amounts of time online reading all the conspiracy trash out there, as opposed to hanging out with a variety of different kinds of people.
ReplyDeleteYeah, too bad his parents didn't offer him good examples by their own actions and words opposing bigotry, and provide their guidance to counteract it when he encountered it away from home, and make sure his time was better occupied than spending it all in absorbing the poisonous lunacy on wingnut web sites, huh?
Delete11:02, Tell that to every conservative parent of the 1960's who raised a hippie. Or every Christian family that turned out a promiscuous teen or any minister or cop, whose kid was wild. Parental involvement and examples don't always have perfect results.
Delete@anon 11:56 am
DeleteChoosing to have sex and bombing a building with people inside are not comparable.
Two parents here, 32 years together.
DeleteDaughter grounded, son struggles.
11:56 is right.
No, 12:12, but assuming good parenting is an absolute is unrealistic. There are many other influences in a young life and social media is a strong one.
DeletePalm Desert in Riverside County? I bet that's a red area with plenty of retired teabaggers.
ReplyDeleteWonder if they know Toad's daddy Jim?
Meth, also, too. Many burned out brains.
DeleteIt's the lower economic area next to Palm Springs.
DeleteIt's in the middle of the desert.
I'm sure there's more to do there now than there used to be. (I think it's been 10-15 years since I've been there.)
Palm Desert and the entire Coachella Valley WAS a red area for years...Unfortunately, we inherited Mary Bono as our Congressional representative, but things have changed, fortunately.
DeletePalm Desert is not a low economic area just like Palm Springs is not necessarily only a rich area. But there are some areas which tend to house those of lower income levels and the area where the mosque is located might be such an area.
This mosque has been there for close to 2 decades.
I believe it is housed in a former home. So, visually it would not look like mosques you may visit when touring countries or see in National Geographic,.
I had not heard of the person arrested, but wondered if he was born in this area.
It turns out he was born in San Diego and that he just had a birthday on the day before he did this.
So, he just turned 23 and I wonder if his birthday is somehow incorporated into the timing of what he is accused of doing.
What happened in San Bernardino and now in Coachella is too close for comfort for me.
It seems almost every day we wake up to some new possibly avoidable tragedy.
When it happens in your own backyard and makes national/international headlines it doesn't get any realer than that.
Hoping that no area finds itself in a similar situation tomorrow.
This type of crap will only escalate, thanks to social media helping to generate the hate 24/7.
ReplyDeleteYep.
DeleteThis is what white privilege looks like
ReplyDeleteLow bail
no derogatory names, like thug
no labeling as a terrorist even when he is
no talk about looking at where he learned how to make a bomb or where he got the materials
no talk of looking to see if he is involved in a "cell" of terrorists, just an assumption he is a lone wolf
no talk about where he was radicalized
Michael Brown's "burn this bitch down" stepfather... terrorist leader? Black privilege?
Deletehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vW2HF5JzK-M
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vW2HF5JzK-M
White CHRISTIAN MALE privilege.
DeleteIf his parents had the clout of a Palin in Alaska he could get by with more. Think of all the weapons could stockpile and no one would know.
DeleteTHIS^^^^^^^
Delete@ anon 11:19 am
DeleteYou will have to refresh my memory because I do not remember Mr Brown fire bombing any house of worship.
When living in the parental domicile there should be supervision and consequences. Especially when it comes to online activity. Yes, even after they reach that magical age of 21.
ReplyDeleteWhen I have visitors at my home I notice everything that is out of place, I can't imagine if any of my kids lived at home that I wouldn't notice them making bombs, Dad needs to be arrested also.
DeleteSee above about how impossible ot is to supervise internet use for kids today. You are a fool.
DeleteYeah, right. Totally unrealistic.
DeleteHahahahahaha....
You're assuming parents with parenting skills.
DeleteUsually the apple doesn't fall far from the tree. (Unless there are medical conditions like schizophrenia.)
I have to agree with Ted.
ReplyDeleteTed Koppel: ‘Donald Trump Is, in Effect, the Recruiter in Chief for ISIS’
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/ted-koppel-donald-trump-is-in-effect-the-recruiter-in-chief-for-isis/
REMEMBER: Look, he's creating jobs already!
http://theimmoralminority.blogspot.com/2015/12/donald-trumps-mainstreaming-of-racist.html
We're talking about a twenty three year old MAN, not some beenyboppper in grade school. I'm appalled as a parent that dad's pointing the finger at social media. And I agree with those who say a hundred fifty grand bail is idiotic. Ten percent of that, and he's back home with his social media, in the environment that caused his actions in the first place. I also highly doubt bail would be set this low if the guy had more melanin in his skin. Does his dad know how dangerous fire is and what his son did? He's a domestic terrorist and Daddy's in denial.
ReplyDeleteThe "dad" doesn't seem to be too skilled in "social skills" either. He seems to be totally separated from his son. I wonder how connected he was with his son during his most formative years.
DeleteBeaglemom
We now live in a world where nobody is accountable for anything. The kid is not accountable because ….whatever, parents are not accountable for their failures as parents because ….whatever, politicians are not accountable for what they say because ….whatever, the media is not account accountable for placing ratings higher than their social responsibility because ….whatever, people are not accounatble for what they say on social media because …whatever. In the end we are all too busy being entertained by reality shows and shiny objects to hold ourselves accountable or really care that the whole country is being dumbed down to the point where many people are incapable of the simplest critical thinking.
ReplyDelete++++++++
DeleteExactly.
DeleteHere's another one only this one is "Obama's fault".
ReplyDeletehttp://www.addictinginfo.org/2015/12/12/i-blame-obama-for-this-man-blames-president-for-nephews-bomb-making-arrest-video/
Isn't that the kid in the stars and stripes tank top posing in front of the American flag with a gun for his senior picture?
ReplyDeleteIN FIVE YEARS.
That's absolutely the same look in the eyes. That's why that yearbook photo creeped me out. That's anger with a little side order of paranoid fear, all covered with a spicy bully sauce.
DeleteWasilla is only the Meth Capital in Alaska.
ReplyDeleteIn 2002, the Los Angeles Times (twice) called the Inland Empire of Riverside and San Berdo the capital. The Palm Springs Desert Sun seconded that.
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/press_box/2005/08/the_meth_capital_of_the_world.html
The father wants to blame social media? Lets blame the father for being a failure as a father, that his son is an arsonist.
ReplyDeleteIf by "social media" you mean Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh, and other right-wing hate-radio talk programs, as well as Fox News
ReplyDelete...then yes. Yes I do think "social media" had a lot to do with shaping this young man's delusions.
Or most of the GOP presidential candidates.
DeletePolice haven't released a motive yet. Gee. I'm wracking my brain to try to understand what it could have been. Let's see...dim white kid/man...firebombing a mosque...Nope. Can't figure it out. Must have been a "mental health" problem, or just a random act. Because, you know, when it's a white guy, it's mental. When it's a Muslim, it's terrorism. And of course if it's a Black guy, he's a thug and will be shot on sight. Especially if he puts his hands up.
ReplyDeleteIt probably won't be much of a defense, but it certainly incites unstable people to violence. This isn't much different than Palin's targets on politicians and then Gabby Giffords' shooting. Words matter. Trump is a dangerous man as are people like Limpballs and Alex Jones.
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