I mean one state sure, but all three states?Exit polling has Hillary winning NCAROLINA, WISCONSIN, FLORIDA & PA— Mo-#NotMyPresident (@MeLovesMLE) November 17, 2016
This data combined with popular vote?
We demand a recount!#Recount2016 pic.twitter.com/YXQn7lArbF
(Oops, make that four states. Sorry.)
Republicans cheating? Nah, say it isn't so!
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Well Merry Christmas, Mcgellan!!
DeleteNorth Carolina had a bunch of ballots challenged. Big disenfranchisement of voters there.
ReplyDeleteWe already know of hanky panky in Wisconsin.
As for Pennsylvania....how many used Diebold paperless machines there? We've heard rumors of those machines being set up to flip votes if it's a tight race. I still think that is why Karl Rove was so livid when Obama won. It's like Rove knew in advance what the results would be and when they weren't what he expected, he exploded.
Why yes, I do recall that trick happening in many states that allowed the rigged machines in "their" precinct. Yep. Complaints galore.
DeleteTotally agree inre Rove! Sometimes I wonder why I even bother to vote......
DeleteComputer scientist find this discrepancies and so the green party wants answers. DNC wants legal representation. Just like scientists in space programs want accuracy or things fail. Smartest minds and the pucie grabbers want to shut them up.
ReplyDeleteThe incumbent Republican governor in NC lost but the incumbent Republican Senator won. Strange stuff.
ReplyDeleteIf that doesn't sound weird - nothing does except for the fact Trump says he got the majority vote! What a jokester and embarrassment for America.
DeleteI hope he is blocked from taking the oath of office. He didn't win it and would be a horrible leader of our country!
I knew Hillary won. We were cheated out of our first woman president. We cannot let this election theft go. Trump let the cat out of the bag, by saying the election was rigged.
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ReplyDeleteSteve Bannon and Reince Priebus have reportedly been growing frustrated by Conway's failure to become a team player in a transition process where the top players are forming a tight knit group around the president-elect.
Conway, responding to MSNBC via text early Monday, denied the report, saying, "It is all false. And sexist."
Conway went on to say about her role in the transition: "I [can] have any job I want. May stay outside to take the Plouffe role and run the political operation. [Trump] wants me by his side."
Trump's campaign manager complaining of sexism - now that's rich.
DeleteOooo. She better be careful. NO one is expendable in a Trump group, especially not a woman who is not his daughter and is not a 10. Not even close. She is as narcissistic as Trump. Any job she wants? Has she decided *she* wants to be Sec. of St. and Romney is in the way? If both Priebus and Bannon are against her, she's toast. They'll get rid of her once she no longer serves a purpose. She's a top notch liar and does great spin when Trump sticks his foot in it, but she is not expendable. Once she becomes more of a liability, they'll cut her loose. She'll be lucky to get her last paycheck.
DeletePoor thing looks so tired of man boy sitting.
DeleteFEC should require each state to recount by hand. And we the people should demand a universal ballot system, all the same, on same day, etc. The early ballot, the mail in ballot, electronic, are all open for corruption. This is a huge big lesson to Americans. Our most sacred freedom of voting was hacked and attacked. And it was rigged.
DeleteMorning joe, oh brother. Hillary is not pushing this as it appears. There are real discrepancies. It does not matter the numbers are funny.
ReplyDeleteGee Steve trying to tell but joe won't even let him talk.
ReplyDeletemoaning joe in morning, dons friend is melting down too. Why? spinning crapola a tuff job.
ReplyDeleteJoe appeared as having no brain power this morning! I actually tuned in for a bit, but couldn't stay there for very long.
DeleteHe sure tries to control what folks say that he has on the show with him! Does he have any clue how silly he looks and sounds?
Kissing Trump's ass, Joe? You are a joke and it's no wonder your ratings have dropped so much!
I especially feel for the blond that shares the stage with you! She tries to get her words in edgewise, but you don't allow her much room. She's much smarter than you, Joe! Plus, you are very degrading to women! You were to the gal on the panel today!
You are embarrassing to watch, Joe! Clean up your act or go away forever!
And now meeker slams Hopkins and brain injury?
ReplyDeleteSmells like a swamp draining this morning. Good Morning America.
ReplyDeleteIs there still time to get a recount in these states? The Jill Stein effort seemed to be just barely making the deadlines. And why is this coming out so late? Why not sooner after the election?
ReplyDeleteI'm one of those who started thinking the Repubs were rigging the election in favor of Trump the moment Trump started protesting too much during the campaign about election rigging in Hill's favor. But I'm just a lowly citizen. And I expected the DNC, the NYT, reporters, the Nate Silvers -- the experts -- to confirm or deny. Why were they so slow?
I have been wondering this as well. Truthfully, I am angry that this is even an issue. Why weren't the voting machines and processes set up with a check/audit system in the first place? All of the elections since 2000 (and probably before that) have had suspected irregularities. We deserve fair elections!
DeleteJust carping about this to my boyfriend!
Delete3 weeks later, and unless Stein had made her move, none of these states would have made a peeep??
A couple of days after the election I read where Hillary was predicted to win the popular vote by 2.2 million. At that point she was 200,000 votes ahead of Trump and yesterday I read where she hit the 2.2 million mark.
ReplyDeleteMy question is: How could they accurately predict that vote tally and yet be so woefully off everywhere else?
Something smells in Pittsburg.
Give us proof where you 'read' that Mrs. Clinton was going to win by 2.2 million votes. You posting sound fishy as Hell! Give us the newspaper, writer, date published and on what specific page?
DeleteI'm not going to go look around for sources (though I often do supply links here), but 4:20 is right. I'm in CA and naturally I was paying attention to what was being said/written about how CA and other states with votes still out was going to put Hillary so far over Trump in the pop vote, and at first they said it's be at least by 1 million. This was online and on TV.
Delete10:25 , how could they be right?1 million is not 2.2 million,the whole point of 4:20's post.
DeleteIt's an approximation based on the number of uncounted absentee and provisional ballots and based on the D/R split in the states where those ballots are.
DeleteI wouldn't be surprised if they exceeded that amount as I know some Republicans voted for Hillary, accepting that Trump is not fit to be President.
This is not the exact article I read, but you can see it is dated 11/11/16 and she's ahead by 200,000 votes at that point (if yoou goto the graph which won't show here).
DeleteSOURCE: NYT
11-11-16
NYT: Hillary Clinton likely won 2 million more popular votes than Donald Trump
Breaking News
tags: election 2016, Electoral College
Hillary Clinton didn’t just win the popular vote. She won it by a substantial margin.
By the time all the ballots are counted, she seems likely to be ahead by more than 2 million votes and more than 1.5 percentage points, according to my Times colleague Nate Cohn. She will have won by a wider percentage margin than not only Al Gore in 2000 but also Richard Nixon in 1968 and John F. Kennedy in 1960.
These comparisons — and I know they’re painful for many people to hear — highlight a dilemma for the suddenly bereft Democratic Party.
READ ENTIRE ARTICLE AT NYT
- See more at: http://historynewsnetwork.org/article/164379#sthash.vouX37lX.dpuf
I have no doubt that the GOP fudged the vote. What I don't understand is why the GOP cannot learn to work with all Americans. Why they cannot nominate a person who is willing or able to serve the interests of all segments of our society. Why the GOP needs to purge the voter lists of as many ordinary people as possible every four years. I don't understand why the GOP never wants to represent us all.
ReplyDeleteAt this point, I am so tired to pundits writing or saying that the Democratic Party needs to "reach out" to any particular group in this country. The Republicans need to stop cheating in order to win. Plain and simple.
Beaglemom
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DeleteBecause their platform is vile and the majority of Americans don't want them. They only win because they cheat.
Delete"Curiouser and curiouser," said Alice.
ReplyDeleteSomething is very rotten, just like we thought. I say do the election over, on paper ballots.
Gryphen, that's four states not three. It's even worse than you thought.
ReplyDeleteI followed PA and FL all election day on Slate and they were both running strongly ahead for Clinton. Then, suddenly, it switched and ended up 48%/49%. I checked and, wouldn't you know, all the most populous counties in those states use unverifiable electronic voting machines. So, if things don't go your way, just flip the vote at the end and no one can verify that the vote was altered.
ReplyDeleteYes, that is what I saw on election day. Suddenly, things turned in a way that looked and felt bizarre. It was unlike any other change in results that I had ever witnessed.
DeleteTo answer the poster above, that is *WHY* they use the paperless, unverifiable system. So they can flip votes without detection.
DeleteAt one point the president of Diebold said he would do anything to help Bush win. And he did.
He tried again in 2008 but the difference was too great.
I believe someone said that the opponent had to have more than a 10% lead to ensure they couldn't flip the votes undetected. This race was too close.
Keep grasping at straws.
ReplyDeleteYou should recognize the false hope you are once again proving to the weak minded followers does not do them any good.
I love the smell of desperation in the morning.
DeleteWe are ALL going to be desperate if the jerk is allowed to take the oath!
DeleteIt's not grasping at straws. It's about what's right. Some of us are sticklers when it comes to ethics. Sorry you aren't.
DeleteIt is good to know there will be a recount in some of the problematic states.
DeleteThat does not mean we all believe that the results will change. I don't doubt that a recount can be rigged just as easily as the original vote depending on the method used for the recount.
"Weak-minded followers" more accurately describes trump voters.
In other words, living in lala land and grasping at straws.
DeleteCNN published exit polls lol.
ReplyDeleteRemember when Wolf Blitzer was caught doing the Blitzer dance and drinking white wine at the Democratic National Convention. How embarrassing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHG7tvx4E94
Crap in crap out. Hillary lost.
Yes,you are crap.
DeleteYeah, Bernie crapsters can't handle that he lost and they still love that Trump beat Hillary. You know, cut off the nose to spite the face. I hope these type of Bernie people suffer as much as the amoral Trump voters.
Delete10:29
DeleteWill you stop blaming this on Bernie.
Plenty of Bernie voters voted for Queen Hillary, despite everything.
It wasn't the fault of the third party candidates that she lost.
Get the fuck over it.
Sorry, but anyone using "lol" to comment on serious issues just doesn't have any more credibility than, well, trump.
DeleteThis is not a serious issue Nefer lol. This is a bunch of liberal babies not accepting reality and crying for a different result, latching onto a 3rd party candidate that you were all crapping on 1 month ago.
DeleteLewandowski’s Lie Is Probably Preparation For Trump’s Greatest Con on Americans
ReplyDeleteLewandowski repeated a Trump campaign lie and said: “Donald Trump won the election campaign by the largest majority since Ronald Reagan in 1984.”
...The brief truth is that in the past eight presidential elections since 1984, Donald Trump comes in at number 8 out of 8 in the popular vote and 6th out of 8 in the Electoral College vote. Add to that little bit of truth, Hillary Clinton garnered a couple of million more popular votes than dirty Don and more than any other white male candidate in history; and her lead continues to grow.
Now, it is simple to think Lewandowski and the Trump camp are lying about a “landslide victory” and a “mandate” just to stroke their megalomaniac boss’ over-inflated ego, and that may be the case. But there is another reason that makes just as much sense; the policies that Republicans and Trump will ram down the throats of the American people are highly unpopular.
http://www.politicususa.com/2016/11/28/lewandowskis-lie-preparation-trumps-greatest-con-americans.html
It always amazes me how Republicans, and especially the Trump ilk, can state the reverse of what is true and get away with it.
DeleteBeaglemom
Missouri showing quite a discrepancy. I had a feeling that would be the case. I think I will look for some down ticket info from my state.
ReplyDeleteThanks for this chart, Gryphen. It bears some scrutiny.
Exit polls are used to judge the validity of elections around the world. Proper polling is done be professionals who value their reputation and source of income. The notion that all polls are useless is ridiculous. Polling public opinion is a science, one that candidates pay big money for...I find it almost impossible to believe that professional pollsters flubbed this election in so many states. I think the explanation is much more sinister.
We also want to know that there is no breach from within or outside entities in our election.
ReplyDeleteHillary Clinton should be taking the 'oath of office' - not the ghastly dude that keeps telling all of us he is the majority winner.
ReplyDeleteWhat a crock of shit, but what should we expect from him? America needs to rid themselves of him while we can! And, that means before he takes the oath in private and not outside in the public arena!
Which one of the Chief Justices will provide him the oath in secret and/or private?
I don't think there are enough secret police and cops in D.C. to cover the anti demonstrations that will become the norm with this guy!
That is why many think he'll do it all undercover because he is afraid, very afraid. He'll say he's doing it for the protection of his family members, but we all know better! Trump thinks ONLY of HIMSELF!
Stay in your tower, Donald!
Ohio is also interesting. The exit polls show Trump ahead by a tiny sliver - just 0.2%. But then the vote shows Trump up by a whopping 8.5%.
ReplyDeleteThere was a link posted here a week or two ago that explained how they do the exit polls. The polls are not interviews, but rather a sheet of paper is given with the questions on it. The pollee completes it anonymously then folds it up and gives it back. So there would not be much incentive to lie on it to protect yourself from people knowing how you voted.
Okay, I've found the article and it discusses exactly the issue of exit polls versus actual results. Here it is:
http://www.alternet.org/something-stinks-when-exit-polls-and-official-counts-dont-match
How do we voice our support for a recount? I am sure with the large amount of money coming through for Jill Stein to do the recount in Wisconsin, there are people willing to do this. Let's do this thing!
ReplyDeleteI'm wondering, with the new data emerging and her success so far, if she won't also file for recounts in Florida and North Carolina if the deadlines haven't passed yet.
DeleteThe con way and basket of deplorable outcast. liars, cheats, sick media and lousy actors. Flakes. Brown nosers, azz kissers, espionage, treason, traitors and disgusting humans that do not deserve respect from America.
ReplyDeleteNot everyone partakes in exit polls, and a lot of people vote absentee. So there's still a lot of wiggle room here. I support a recount if that's what people want to do, however (though I think we should follow Hillary's lead and be a good sport as well).
ReplyDeletehmmmm? and would you think that she had a hand in the primary result? Did she oust Bernie to get the nomination by rigging? Its a nasty dirty election between communism, socialism, demolism, repubism control freaks.
DeleteDid everyone receive their free scientology CD in the mail this last year? Does don practice scientology? What school does little trump attend?
DeleteThe concentration of rigging was for the electoral vote. Each state had some form of issue. Odd that Wisconsin does not want to hand count after questions regarding the certification. I don't know how we can trust tampered results of any kind from any state. The riggers committed a federal felony crime that influenced our elections and it is not ok. EXPOSE THEM.
ReplyDeleteAfter watching Leah on A&E scientology documentary, is Donald a scientologist? That would explain lots.