Monday, May 17, 2010

BP uses dispersants to keep oil spill off of the surface, and away from the news cameras, but now it is under the surface and virtually impossible to reach. BP has now taken a huge problem and made it much, much worse.

From MSNBC:

Scientists are finding enormous oil plumes in the deep waters of the Gulf of Mexico, including one as large as 10 miles long, 3 miles wide and 300 feet thick. The discovery is fresh evidence that the leak from the broken undersea well could be substantially worse than estimates that the government and BP have given.

“There’s a shocking amount of oil in the deep water, relative to what you see in the surface water,” said Samantha Joye, a researcher at the University of Georgia who is involved in one of the first scientific missions to gather details about what is happening in the gulf. “There’s a tremendous amount of oil in multiple layers, three or four or five layers deep in the water column.”

Dr. Joye said the oxygen had already dropped 30 percent near some of the plumes in the month that the broken oil well had been flowing. “If you keep those kinds of rates up, you could draw the oxygen down to very low levels that are dangerous to animals in a couple of months,” she said Saturday. “That is alarming.”

The plumes were discovered by scientists from several universities working aboard the research vessel Pelican, which sailed from Cocodrie, La., on May 3 and appears to be the first scientific expedition to gather extensive samples and information about the disaster in the gulf.

Scientists studying video of the gushing oil well have tentatively calculated that it could be flowing at a rate of 25,000 to 80,000 barrels of oil a day. But the government, working from satellite images of the ocean surface, has calculated a flow rate of only 5,000 barrels a day.

So did you get that?  These scientists are calculating that the amount of oil gushing from the broken pipe is between five to eighteen times the amount that the government is calculating because the government is tracking it using satellite images which can only see the surface oil.  But BP used dispersants to sink the oil out of sight of the satellite so that it cannot be seen as easily and they can then lie about how much is gushing into the gulf.

Assholes!

And it looks like they are doing this right under the noses of the EPA.

The undersea plumes may go a long way toward explaining the discrepancy, suggesting that much of the oil emerging from the well could be lingering far below the sea surface.

The scientists involved in the Pelican mission, which is backed by the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, the federal agency that monitors the health of the oceans, are not certain why that would be. They say they suspect the heavy use of chemical dispersants, which BP has injected directly into the stream of oil emerging from the well, may have broken the oil up into droplets too small to rise rapidly.

BP said on Saturday at a briefing in Robert, La., that it had resumed undersea application of dispersants, after winning approval to do so the day before from the Environmental Protection Agency.

Look I don't know if the EPA is complicit in this or not, but I have a hard time believing that BP, who manufactures the dispersants being used on this spill, did not realize that it would do not more than hide the problem under the surface of the water rather than to help break it up and therefore make it easier to clean.

I think it is well past time that the Federal government took charge and stopped relying on data provided by BP and satellite images and got a handle on this before it becomes an even bigger catastrophe.  If that is even possible at this point.

However I saw Bill Nye on MSNBC this morning saying that nobody has ever tried to clean a spill this size that is stuck beneath the surface, and he essentially had no idea how to go about it. In other words this thing might be FUBAR'd and there will be virtually nothing that can get his oil out of the water until it washes up on beaches all along the coast, or settles to the ocean floor smothering to death millions of essential plants and animals.

I think I speak for a lot of people when I say "Fuck you BP"!  And the people that support you.

34 comments:

  1. Anonymous7:56 AM

    I have been scoffing at people who were calling this oil spill President Obama's Katrina. Now, I'm not so sure they're wrong.

    Unless he steps in NOW to demand independent scientific analysis, it is going to seem as if he is just "flying over" the disaster (albeit vicariously via satellite photos rather than Air Force One).

    I hope our President won't buy the BS that BP is pumping out even faster than the oil well is gushing oil.

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  2. Anonymous8:27 AM

    If they don't cap this leak, it could empty for months; am not sure how much oil deposit is contained in one well, but it's worrisome that other oil wells underneath the whole ocean floor of the Gulf could have weaknesses that even geologists are unaware of. They opened a Pandora's Box.

    This case is definitely not in the same league as an oil "spill" from an oil tanker.

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  3. Anonymous8:35 AM

    I live on the East Coast where highway expansion projects are everywhere, cutting swaths through neighborhoods, farmland, and forests. The infamous New Jersey Turnpike is in the midst of a 5-year expansion project, increasing some sections to 12 lanes across. People are still merrily driving SUVs, Caddies, and luxury vehicles.

    We're all contemptuous of BP and offshore drilling, but did any of us care one iota about the dangers of offshore drilling before this catastrophe? Clearly, BP is culpable, but where do people think the gas in their cars comes from?

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  4. Anonymous8:48 AM

    Gryphen: I like your "FYBP"... and all of the oil rig governmental enablers of all those countries they rode in on.
    Let's face it:
    At this point-in-time there is no government on this Earth that is not owned by the greed of the multi-nationals of all stripes.
    I am not accusing us of a lack of vigilance... much of it was achieved by subterfuge... and it will not merely continue, but accelerate, as their regulatory powers increase...
    "We Are The Masters Of The Universe" is their creed and it will blow all of us into oblivion... even those who are the temporary beneficiaries of unrestrained capitalism and who consider themselves invulnerable.
    Little to they know, in their arrogance, that we all are subject to the Laws of the Universe.
    FTD

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  5. Can't they just have big tankers suck up the oil that's on top of the ocean and below the surface? I don't know what they could do with all that contaminated oil & water then, but it would seem there has to be a way to skim it off the surface and/or suck it up below the surface....And I'm sure it would take a huge fleet of tankers, more than anyone's ever seen, but it seems this situation calls for not only BP but for everyone to pitch in--with BP/Transocean/Haliburton paying everyone for their help in the clean up...

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  6. Jeez. What a teeming nightmare!

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  7. Anonymous9:38 AM

    Gryph, this O/T article about Rick Perry is a bit unflattering:

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100517/ap_on_re_us/us_texas_governor_temporary_mansion

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  8. Anonymous9:45 AM

    We know that oil will kill & destroy, lack of oxygen will kill & destroy, but no one is talking about these "dispersants" -I am guessing they will only make things worse. We really won't see the cost of this "accident" for years to come, and it's not going to be pretty.

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  9. Enjay in E MT9:52 AM

    Just like my cat ~~
    If I can't see you - you can't see me

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  10. "Can't they just have big tankers suck up the oil that's on top of the ocean and below the surface?"

    Cause we have no way to "inhale" the BILLIONS of gallons of water the shit is mixed up with. BILLIONS and BILLIONS of gallons of water would need to be inhaled into something and filtered.

    That is a really really big Brita water filter. We aint got one.

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  11. Anonymous10:04 AM

    This oil is going to get to the deep water currents and end up all over the world. It is too little too late for BP and the rest of the world. Sorry to be a kill joy, but we are going to reap the the shit we have sown for a very long time.

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  12. Anonymous10:09 AM

    When I saw the initials BP in the headline, I wasn't sure whether you were referring to Drill Baby Drill, Bristol Palin, or the oil company, Btitish Petroleum!

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  13. Anonymous10:19 AM

    Yeah, I worry about those dispersants as well - what if they get into the water table? Our kids and grandkids may be paying the price for these "solutions."

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  14. Keep in mind the EPA is still staffed by Bush appointees who are moles whose mission it is to hobble regulation enforcement. At least one scientist has quite the Environmental Prostitution Agency, as he called it, because he was sick of being told to falsify data.

    Bad as the oil spill is, even worse is the toxic fuel emissions we spew into the atmosphere EVERY DAY when we burn fossil and biofuels. The levels of background tropospheric ozone have pushed the ecosystem into rapid collapse. Trees are dying, crops are damaged.

    The EPA is perfectly well aware of the existential threat this poses, it's on their own website! Quotes and links from their assessments here: www.witsendnj.blogspot.com

    If we don't stop this madness and switch to clean energy on a massive scale on an emergency basis widespread famine will be the direct result. Our parents and grandparents accepted rationing of all essential goods in WWII. We need to treat this as at least as serious a threat.

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  15. Anonymous10:27 AM

    How's that Drill, Baby, Drill Thingy workin' out for ya now? (I wish that Silly Drilly sounded as nasty as Hopey Changey).

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  16. Most fitting words! You're definitely speaking for me, Gryphen. Thanks!

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  17. Anonymous10:52 AM

    Wasn't Sister sarry schmoozing BP and some other oil companies at a closed door meeting just before she went on her despicable long ride home?
    If so, you mean to tell me getting her snout in the pig trough was more important then her unborn son?
    Got to love her priorities!

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  18. They've closed down a lot of the rigs in the Gulf for fear that oil on the water will CATCH FIRE and cause their rigs to explode.

    http://www.2theadvocate.com/news/93534074.html

    The oil is now in the loop current and it's going to kill off the coral reef around Florida.

    BP has NO IDEA what the effect of the quantity of dispersant they're using out there is going to have on wildlife and humans.

    When we're able to prove it's in the food supply, BP will explain away the effects its going to have on future generations of people.

    But not right now.... probably not in the lifetimes of the people actually responsible.

    I'm not a religious person but God help us.

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  19. BP cannot use these dispersants without consent of the Obama administration.

    As long as the president's employees OK the use, BP will use it. The fact that they needed government permission to use it will assure that BP will use this as an excuse to not pay damages because of the toxicity of the U.S. gov't-approved application.

    All this came up 21 years ago on PWS, and has been covered by Art Davidson, Riki Ott and others in long-known books and articles.

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  20. Anonymous11:18 AM

    Mulitnationals run the world, they bribe all the leaders, either with campaign contributions or just direct cash bribes. They keep conflicts going in Africa to get the resources cheaply and it goes on. They can move to wherever the cheapest labor is but people cannot move to another country to work.

    The deck is stacked so against regular people that we should all hope it all goes down and we return to local economies, grow our own food and simplify life.

    I wish I could get off the NYC treadmill of having to pay for private school with a job that is meaningless....

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  21. I wonder if $arah still owns that "foreign companys'" stock?

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  22. Anonymous12:04 PM

    Unfortunately, that is a great comment from 10:04 - that the oil underneath the surface is likely to get into the deep currents and travel where those currents lead.

    People need to get into alternative energies: wind and solar, rethink our lifestyles. Period.

    Nuclear and coal have their own disastrous impact on people and the environment. We cannot take the word of those industries re safety any more than we can trust the oil and gas companies.

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  23. Anonymous12:06 PM

    Well, if we're going to blame President Obama for the oil spill, then we'd better look in the mirror while we're at it. I wonder how many of us filled up our gas tanks this morning before embarking on 40-mile commute to work?

    There is such haughtiness from Americans who will boycott BP or blame the president for the spill, yet don't think twice about dumping old computer monitors in a landfill or buying power-hungry wide-screen television sets. We think that if we recycle and install energy-efficient light bulbs we're environmentalists. We never really ponder where our recyclables end up or recognize that our electricity comes from coal. We love our cell phones and PDAs but never consider who has to mine the material from which they're made. How many of us have two or more cars that can't even fit into our two-car garages? Garages, which, by the way, are overflowing with the detritus of our lives that we don't use but can't part with. If you ask me, our indignation has worn pretty thin.

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  24. Anonymous12:18 PM

    Hey - MSNBC is interviewing a scientist who fears that the oil beneath the surface may enter the loop current and travel to the Florida Keys.

    That means that the world's third-largest barrier reef could be destroyed!!

    Damn it! Enough greed.

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  25. Anonymous12:23 PM

    Out of sight, out of mind is how BP operates. They are/were hoping that no one would see below the surface. The moment they started talking about using dispersants at the leak site, we knew they were all about minimizing the extent of the leak... if they [general public] can't see it, there'll be less backlash. This is going to be far worse than the Exxon Valdez and reverberations will be felt for many decades to come. Would you want to eat gulf shrimp from that region? How about swimming on the white sand beaches of MS and FL panhandle? This is an outright catastrophe.

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  26. Yes, we are all f**ked and we are talking years and years and years of destruction to marine and wildlife, not to mention the total devastation to the fishing and tourism industry. President Obabma, Secretary Salazar and the EPA should not believe a damn thing any oil company says. They, like Sarah Plain, are interested in one thing only. Money. God they are despicable.

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  27. More false outrage?

    Why do you act as if there's something sinister going on concerning this spill? Watch the joint agency press briefings....

    Coast Guard officials say that preliminary testing results indicate that subsea use of the dispersant is effective at reducing the amount of oil from reaching the surface – and can do so with the use of less dispersant than is needed when the oil does reach the surface.

    BP first deployed the dispersant near the source of the oil leak at the broken riser soon after the response shifted to large-scale oil spill control efforts. But because the dispersants had never been used a mile below the surface of the sea–and the environmental impacts of deep-sea deployment of the chemicals were largely unknown–EPA and Coast Guard suspended the use of subsea dispersant until NOAA could gather more information.

    Dispersants are largely considered less harmful than the highly toxic oil leaking from the source and they also biodegrade in a much shorter time span.

    http://ecopolitology.org/2010/05/15/epa-coast-guard-ok-use-of-subsea-dispersents-for-oil-spill/

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  28. It already is a much worse problem than you describe, Gryph. The natural gas leaking out is a bigger problem than the oil. The water can hold a lot of dissolved gas, and it is thirty times worse in terms of oxygen depletion than the oil. The stage is already set to turn the deep waters of the Gulf into a dead zone. Where the Loop Current leaves the Gulf, the water is shallow (about 700m), and that will leave the deep, oxygen depleted water behind to recirculate within the Gulf. One of the oxidization products of natural gas is hydrogen sulfide, which is deadly. None of the scenarios analyzed by MMS prior to drilling included escaped natural gas on any scale larger then what would be mixed with an oil slick - a minuscule amount compared to what's being released from the BP well. So far not one agency involved has shown any competence. Scientists need the flow rates BP is keeping them from obtaining. That info is not only necessary to do projection calculations, but without it, even a post mortem will be clouded with guesswork. Apparently the conservative paradigm now is to kill the science so it can't be used against you no matter what the issue.

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  29. Anonymous7:25 PM

    You might want to mosey over to a site called:
    whatdoesitmean.com There's a detailed article there
    titled: 'US orders blackout over North Korea
    torpedoing Gulf of Mexico oil rig.' This makes more sense, given the magnetude of the disaster than what
    we've been told.

    Sharon TN

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  30. Gail said...
    Bad as the oil spill is, even worse is the toxic fuel emissions we spew into the atmosphere EVERY DAY when we burn fossil and biofuels. The levels of background tropospheric ozone have pushed the ecosystem into rapid collapse. Trees are dying, crops are damaged.

    I don't think you truly understand the scope of this problem, Gail.... The pittance of toxic fuel emissions dispersed over our entire planet is well within our ecosystem's ability to handle. Most of those emissions are Carbon Dioxide, Carbon Monoxide, and some other dust particulates. The Carbon Dioxide is sequestered by plants making oxygen. The Carbon Monoxide reacts with our ozone making very heavily diluted acid rain.

    The particulates fall to the ground and are recycled naturally by releasing Carbon into the soil - where incidentally it belongs. Dead Plant matter is also Carbon. Thus, the effects of these emissions is minimal at best and easily managed by adding a little lime to our rivers and soil occasionally as needed.

    However, an ongoing and potentially unlimited spillage of oil - if not effectively stopped within a reasonable amount of time - is an entirely different story. Right now, millions of fish are swimming into walls of that crap accidentally and dying every single day.... Even, if we could stop it now, the effects would be felt for decades - before the ocean might fully recover.

    The Exxon Valdeze was nothing compared to this one... it would be [literally] a drop in bucket! Our oceans will not easily recover from this one - even if we do get it stopped. Rather than worrying about those OMG [nefarius] emissions, why not stop to consider that 80 percent of Earth's Food Supply currently swims in the world's oceans?

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  31. LisaB4:57 AM

    This comment will make me very unpopular, but I think it's important to inject some information into the emotion. The spill is certainly upsetting, but it's being handled (and has been handled since the very beginning) by Unified Command, which includes the BP, the Coast Guard, NOAA and a host of other experts. Any decision that gets made regarding how to handle the spill is not made in isolation, but through Unified Command.

    http://www.deepwaterhorizonresponse.com

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  32. Anonymous6:53 AM

    I take it nobody read the article on
    whatdoesitmean.com.

    Sharon TN

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  33. Anonymous7:05 AM

    Also, why are they using toxic dispersants to keep the oil from reaching the surface, when there is
    a 100% safe, organic product called 'Oil Sponge,'
    to do the job?? It's marketed by PHASE III, Inc., and rated "best performing" by the US Army Corp of Engineers. There's much about this, besides a bunch
    of other things the government fails to communicate
    to us.

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  34. Anonymous7:03 PM

    ?Does oil move through undersea land much like water streams do?--I mean do channels or streams of oil join each other below land levels? Because if they do, the oil coming out through one geyser may be spurting oil that used to be near other wells, maybe all the wells. Perhaps the entrie Gulf natural oil network is all being lost through one uncapped man-made opening.--Does anyone know?

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