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I have to say that the pro-Initiative 26 advertisement that O'Donnell started this segment with, REALLY creeped me out in a major way. The idea that life begins at conception is a purposeful oversimplification of what constitutes "life." It is the first, and obvious step, towards completely removing a woman's control over her own body.The Democratic lawmakers in Mississippi will absolutely regret letting this initiative pass. And so ultimately will the women of Mississippi.
I don't know what goes on in Mississippi, but every other week here in the DC area I read about kids and babies who are left in dumpsters, abandoned at hospitals, abused and murdered, and a broken underfunded social welfare and foster care system that cannot help them. Just today there is an article in the Washington Post about a 10 year old boy abandoned at Children's Hospital by his mother who refuses to take custody of him. This child stabbed a relative, and threatened suicide, and it is his 4th stint in the psych ward. 10 years old. The courts are haggling over who has jurisdiction over this case. Sad, huh? Why doesn't anyone care about this kid who is already born? Who will help him?
ReplyDeleteBesides the obvious health reasons we need to keep abortion safe and legal, I maintain that many women are just not prepared, mentally, physically, or financially to be mothers. There are many women who are too unstable to mother themselves, much less a healthy baby, forget about mentally or physically handicapped babies.
I don't get the right wing pro birth agenda AT ALL. Once all these babies and embryos are born, they do their damnedest to legislate against them...cutting Medicare, foster care, subsidized childcare, public education...EVERYTHING.
It will be a cold day in hell before someone tells me I have to give up my copper t iud.
ReplyDeleteFuck you and keep your laws off MY body!
That's just fucking pitiful!
ReplyDeleteMS will have the ranking for 50th place in all of the quality of life and poverty measures locked up for the next 3 or 4 decades henceforth when this passes. TX, AR, LA and AL can fight over who's next-to-last in 49th place.
Missifuckingsippi, take that college scholarship at Ole Miss for pharmacy school and stick it up your ass. We'll pay a higher sticker price rather than have my son's professional shingle with your state's name on it.
i'm pretty sure that there's nowhere in Miss. to get a safe, private abortion, and it's been like that for years.
ReplyDeletei wondered when the invitro-fert. crowd would rear its head.
according to the catholic person i asked, anything that tampers with man-on-woman sex-on-demand is a no no.
however, what should we do to keep Initiative 26 off the lawbooks?
we always need to see a solution to our problems, or else, we're just beating dead horses for pleasure. is there anything we can do?
I will never in a million years understand those people who want "smaller" government but yet wish to force government laws on the rest of us controlling our bodies and religious idealogies. Whacko freaking fruitcakes!
ReplyDeleteActually this will only push the "business" for women's health services to Memphis, Birmingham, Baton Rouge and New Orleans for those with the financial means.
ReplyDeleteThe working class and poor will be the only ones to really suffer under these types of short-sighted, Draconian laws.
See, if the Fundies have their abortions performed out of state, they really never happened, since they don't have to worry about seeing any of their fellow congregation members coming out of the Women's Clinic just around the corner from Jackson Prep.
These hypocrites are already embarrassed terribly when their neighbors run into them coming out of the liquor store. They might as well ban liquor sales, also too. Backwards fuckers... these wild-eyed, cousin-fucking dominionists are why I moved away when I was 19 went to college at LSU. Sure, there are a bunch of these nuts in LA, but not nearly as many and most are in the north part of the state which is really just West Mississippi extended. These people have no shame nor a fucking clue either.
What's scariest is that it's both the GOP AND the Dems signing up for this bullshit. No fucking body dares practice critical thinking down in Dixie. Sigh.
And these freaking right-wing whackos want to take away education, regulation, social services for the poor, sick, homeless, mentally ill and yet give everybody the precious right to carry their unlicensed guns on college campuses & anywhere else. It's an upside-down Mad Max world they want to force us to live in.
ReplyDeleteFucking evil idiots. This kind of crap makes me want to forcibly insert their heads up their asses. We fought this fight and now we have to fight it again? Head. Ass. Shove. Hard.
ReplyDeleteSadly, this will probably pass...only after it passes will people begin to realize what it means and then it will take years to try and repeal it, but by then it will be too late, and many women will suffer.
ReplyDelete@Virginia Voter 5:00 am
ReplyDeleteCouldn't agree with you more, but you're being realistic.
I don't know why more attention isn't called to the plight of children who, through no fault of their own, endure unspeakable fates.
It also makes no sense to me that men even have a say in this issue. They will never be faced with a "choice" to make, so those who may/do/did make a such a "choice" are the ones who have valid opinions on this matter.
You're right that hard-line "pro-lifers" are pitiless in their scorn the poor and unfortunate, but are adamant that more children be made to suffer in such conditions. There's already 7 billion people on earth now; hardline pro-lifers should be made to understand that their policies would apply to those they fear (e.g., the under-30 population percentages of Arab Spring countries compared to "western" countries is truly astounding).
@RezaAslan tweeted yesterday:
It took 250,000 yrs for world pop to reach 1Billion. 100 yrs to 2B. 32yrs to 3B. 28yrs to 5B. 12 years to 6B. Another 12yrs to 7B.
http://twitter.com/#!/rezaaslan/status/129613360986734592
The right wing only cares about people BEFORE they're born and AFTER they're dead!
ReplyDeleteThe right wing want to #OccupyMyUterus but I have faith in real women who won't allow it.
These phony reps need a taste of the wrath of women who want their freedom and rights to their decisions when it comes to their own bodies.
No one should want to hurt a living thing and I don't cherish the idea of abortion or murder, however, they are two different things. I've read comments with the idea that a fetus is an unborn child. This is an oxymoron. You are not a child UNTIL you are born. Until then, you're a part of your mothers body and she is in charge. Legislating morals has never been successful and in the case of Roe VS Wade, the law came because of the terrible results of trying to force women to bear children no matter the circumstances! It is a matter between the woman and her doctor, not between a woman and a rep.
They are wasting time with nonsense so they don't deal with the real problems and thus make the President look bad.
It is doing the opposite.
womanwithsardinecan @5:38 AM said...
ReplyDeleteFucking evil idiots. This kind of crap makes me want to forcibly insert their heads up their asses. We fought this fight and now we have to fight it again? Head. Ass. Shove. Hard.
Humans can be stupid. We don't really learn from our past, thus we tend to repeat it.
It's happening with this, it's happening with the Occupy movement, wars, the economy. I just shake my head some times and then just want to move to a deserted island where there are no humans and I never have to deal with this type of shit again.
(I'm feeling really bitter and grumpy this morning...)
Anyone behind my idea to institute chemically induced castration for all unmarried males over 17 unless they provide proof of DOMA marriage?
ReplyDeleteOr go even further, all males not actively trying to procreate with their ideal child-bearing years spouses?
read the headline:
ReplyDelete"if passed might make illegal"
why do people need to rage at the everything but the actual issue?
know your problem, choose your battles, and stop clumping each problem into the Big Picture.
one by one, we can solve these things, if we don't go off the deep end on everything the media wants us to rage about.
@5:36
ReplyDeleteHmmm, the thought occurs to me that women are 51percent of the population. Given votes AND the right to carry guns...maybe that is a constituent voice these idiots will understand.
Imagine an army of angry armed women. Gives new meaning to both the first and second amendment.
Well, hell...I can dream, can't I?
Virginia Voter @ 5:00am--
ReplyDeleteX2. You put it perfectly. I fear that there will be an epidemic of abandoned babies/battered children--or even worse--should these misogynistic, sadistic laws be enacted. Wonder what those self-righteous Fundie bottom feeders will do then?
I saw this, too, and there was an ad in which this woman was actually saying that once an egg is fertilized, that's life even when it's by a rapist. That kind of thinking is so sick and warped, it's pathetic. Coming from a woman makes it even more creepy in her obvious lack of concern for circumstances that involve incest or rape.
ReplyDeleteMississippi already has an unenviable distinction of having one of the lowest qualities of life in every measurable category. It's mind-boggling that these right wing nut jobs care only about unimpeded conception of children but nothing about children once they are actually born. I predict that the results of this legislation, if passed, will be catastrophic for women and children in that state. It's things like this that bring so much indiscriminate ridicule on Southerners, which is a shame because the forward-thinking Southerners have to suffer due to the stupidity of others.
If life is so precious, why don't we harvest every egg and sperm, fertilize them and then make host women carry every single embryo to term?
ReplyDeleteThe Handmaid's Tale. We are heading there.
Two things....
ReplyDeleteAre they trying to increase abortions?
And
A thinking person would probably realize that "life" actually begins in the testicles. Sperm are living organisms that compete to fertilize an egg. DNA in that egg help shape the way the winning sperm will grow, and nourish it in the beginning, but the sperm is already alive and with the help of the egg will grow into a human being.
So, they'd better outlaw masturbation, premature ejaculation, nocturnal emmissions, BJ's, hand jobs, titty bleeping, the withdrawal (coitus interruptus) method of birth control, condoms, and the rhythm method. Because all those things kill live sperm and a potential human being. In fact, they need to legislate that when a man has sex, he only ejaculate one sperm, because spewing out 200 to 300 million at one time is not only wasteful, but mass murder or genocide. All men will be also be forced to wear a monitor on their dingus that will warn authorities when potential sexual activity is taking place so they may raid the area and make sure no sperm is being killed. Offenders will have their testicles removed....before they are hung for murder.
One thing this law would do is to clean out Congress. Then we could try to start again with a more reasonable and thinking bunch.
YES, major snark.
Rick
There's a reason why Mississippi is the poorest state in the union.
ReplyDeleteDo you think they need a bigger population on welfare?
~Canuck~
Its about time they acknowledge that God is the biggest abortionist in business.Millions of fertilized eggs are flushed from womens bodies before they even know they are pregnant.Since this is after conception,does that make God a murderer in their views?
ReplyDeleteHow's THIS for a controversial new law in need of passing:
ReplyDeleteYou can ONLY comment on someone else's pregnancy, or birth control methods, if you have in hand a check for a minimum of $1,000 to help support the child you are demanding they have.
Think of it as a "fine" for sticking your nose up someone else's private parts.
I just don't know why women are not roiting about this. This is men trying to control women. My opinion has not changed about why this is happening. The corp and wall streeet want slave labor. It needs to be out there and we need to keep talking about it . No matter if someone personally believes in abortion or not. The choice needs to be there. I used to feel different, but as I've gotten older and see how little a chil'd life is worth after they are born,these nuts don't care how a child is treated. So many children abused, killed used horribly- it would have been better if they weren't born. It's not God's will that a little one shoud die or be treated so badly.It serves no purpose. These same nuts don't want public schools, health care, or any program to help anyone. How can our society afford every pregnancy? how will we feed all these children? When there is so many in the family you can't give each child that one on one mothering. How will anyone be able to school when all schooing is taken over by for profits? Women certainly won't be able to work , having children every yr or 2, it would cost to much in child care. Having so many children is poverty, plus they can keep the women out of the workplace, and they don't have to worry about women competing with men. Women will be constantly defending them seves against false charges when they have a miscarriage. Good time to grab the rest of the children,since she won't be a fit mother anymore. In the end the corp will own schools, roads towns, and our children for slave labor. Don't say it can't happen. They are taking over the towns in Mich- We had the corp dana in AFG that provided young boys over there for their employees. We have had someone in the Cap in some kind of sex trade All washington is owned by wallstreet and the corps. They are already making it hard for the young and old to vote. If you notice the police are oc walstr are singling out women and gays to go after.
ReplyDeleteI don't see a mention of Freakonomic's research. The reason for the huge drop in crime in this nation directly corresponds to Roe v. Wade's legalizing the mother's right to choose to give birth or not. The missing cohort of babies who would have been unwanted, abused, abandoned, etc. translated into a lack of angry destructive teens and 20-something men.
ReplyDeleteTurns out that women really DO know best when it came to their readiness to give birth, or NOT.
I really like the idea of MEN being responsible for the birth control (earlier poster's "chemical castration" is the perfect marketing term!) since it's generally MEN making the laws and spewing the stuff that makes pregnancies happen. If MEN found their personal freedom impinged, you can bet this issue would die immediately and we'd hear no more about it.
8:43, same thing that happened during the start of the Industrial revolution. Up until then even the Catholic Church said "life" didn't begin until quickening (feel the baby move) For males it was 90 days, female fetuses it was 120 days (how they ever knew this I can't say). Once the powers that be realized their next gen slaves were being aborted, they enlisted all the governments to get rid of the midwife/wise women who helped those with child get without PDQ. Enter the medical community from back then with new modern methods of natal care and we have plenty of bodies to keep those factory slots warm. Same shit, different century.
ReplyDeleteI realized any birth control method other than 'barrier' would be on the chopping block however never considered In Vitro. We (intellectuals) think their process out rationally while the RTL is working on emotion.
ReplyDeleteIsn't preventing pregnancy better than abortion? Apparently not in their book. What about etopic pregnancy? They are willing to loose their mother, daughter, sister because a fertilized egg attached in the wrong location?
Something crossed my mind tho - if a woman no longer has a choice because life begins at conception.
Then when someone is medically classified as brain dead - will they deny that person's family a choice too?
Will the IRS to accept a pregnancy as "tax exempt dependent"? Will insurance companies deny coverage to the un-born WITHOUT the mother having existing coverage?
I wonder if these wackos could comprehend just how much worse their cities would be if abortion were illegal. Abortion is good for our society. May not be good for a person's personal religious beliefs, but too fucking bad, then don't have an abortion, but don't try to stop our society from moving forward and bettering the lives that are already here and wanted.
ReplyDelete"Mississippi Burning" was one eye openener, now they're inciting the control of a woman's right to choose? Will history teach us anything?
ReplyDeleteThe onanistic moron males will most certainly vote for this, and with Scalia and the Tea Party Ass feltching Justice Thomas on the Supreme Court, this bill will certainly pass.
On a lighter note, it's so comforting to know that the former Governor, hate monger, best selling book author, speechification expert, victim of blood libel, gun toting, Bible Thumping, hate symbolism and speech stands firmly on the side of those against this bill, or she would NEVER have had The invitro fertilization poster child/ child exploiter, and proponent of massive amounts of plastic surgery, Kate Goseling and her brood of props on her most famous reality show on TLC.
For people who scream they want less government in their lives, a vote for this bill is a vote to control women and bring back the back alley or self inflicted unsanitary abortions that killed countless women.
As a proponent of gender equality, I want a law that holds men accountable for every unprotected ejaculation they have. They are killing sperm and every sperm is Sacred.
And the penalty of 1000 dollars is laughable. You can't raise a guppy for that , let alone a child.
Occupy Mississippi and screw the democrats who sold out for votes.
Next Bill- A pregnant woman votes twice, once for her self and once for her government forced fetus.
Too many good people were killed, threatened, stalked, and harrangued by the anti abortion zealotry.
I will be working with Planned Parenthood to make sure the women of Mississippi are aware of this sinful hateful plan.
ReplyDeleteRick
ReplyDelete7:42 AM
Thanks for a great laugh.
Do the guys who want this realize that they will be hearing the word No a lot more. A whole lot more.
ReplyDeleteAnd the manufacturers of paternity tests might become a very lucrative investment prospect.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0kJHQpvgB8
ReplyDeleteFor Rick
So are we going to issue fetuses and stored embryos Social Security numbers? Will they need a passport if they travel overseas in utero?
ReplyDeleteI like the tax deduction thing too
Well, if Mississippi has a spousal rape law on the books, they're going to have to deal with that because the spousal rape incidents will be on the "rise".
ReplyDeleteI see someone didn't like my figure of $1,000 minimum fine, for simply offering your "who the hell ASKED you?" opinion on whether or not a woman can or should have an abortion.
ReplyDeleteI still think its a reasonable penalty, as a start.
The type of skinflints who DO think their opinion carries any weight, may actually hesitate to say anything, for fear of losing even ONE of the dollars which form the golden idol that is the true "GOD" they worship.
The comments this morning seem to be, how ignorant the people from the south appear.
ReplyDeleteI was about 12 when i deceded this was true,due to the fact, the people that came to our family resort(from the south) all, were rather slow(nice word for dumb).Nothing has changed my opinion since.
The more i hear, the dummber.
I also agree with sunshine,and women with sardine can,I too am a little grumpy and bitter this morning.
L am in love with Rick (7:42). I like your ideas, even if they were snark.
ReplyDeleteSo if a woman of 18 goes on the pill & is on it until menopause (50ish), will she guilty of killing potential people? So 32 years equals about 384 possible months to get pregnant. That is 384 different possible babies that she could have had! OMG! don't tell the fundies, they will electrocute us all for taking the pill!
ReplyDeleteI don't even want to think of what the fundies will try to come up with next.
Thanks for the love.
ReplyDeleteAre you a sperm?
Rick