Tuesday, May 20, 2014

Watch rising Republican star Ben Carson attempt to weasel out of his remarks comparing Obamacare to slavery.

Courtesy of Salon:

 Appearing on “Meet the Press” on Sunday, former celebrated surgeon, current right-wing folk hero and potential future 2016 presidential candidate Ben Carson attempted to defend his earlier remark comparing Obamacare to slavery by noting that “anything is slavery that robs you of your ability to control your own life.” 

“First of all, recognize what I said,” Carson responded when asked by host David Gregory to explain his earlier comments. “Worst thing since slavery. I didn’t say that it was slavery.” 

“Well, you said ‘it is’ slavery ‘in a way,’” Gregory interjected. 

“Right, and I said, ‘in a way,’” Carson specified. “In a way, anything is slavery that robs you of your ability to control your own life.” 

“And when you take the most important thing that you have, which is your health care, and you put that in the hands of government bureaucrats,” Carson went on, “I think, you have done the wrong thing.” 

“And as I was about to say, you go back and you look at the neo-Marxist literature, and look at what they say — don’t have to listen to what I say — about taking control of health care of the populous, and making people dependent,” he added.

What Carson seems to miss is that before Obamacare came in an leveled the playing field somewhat, the insured were at the mercy of the insurers, who could drop you as a client for just about any reason at all.

Not only that but if you got your health insurance through your job, which the majority of Americans seem to do, then your choices of policy holders, cost, and coverage was dictated to some degree by the company that you worked for.

Did that make the employees slaves to their employers?

You cannot call Ben Carson an idiot. He was a very successful surgeon, and has written a number of bestselling books. However watching him attempt to wriggle out of, what can only be described and inflammatory and deceptive remarks, it is clear he is a zealot who is using his ethnicity and education to inflame a group of people who will not take the time to fact check his remarks.

And speaking as a white guy, I found it very troubling to see a black man who is so willing to toss around a word like slavery in such an off hand manner.

I would think that he would know better.


  1. OverMountainMan12:11 PM

    I watched him on the view today and felt physically sick watching Whoopie swoon over him : (

  2. Anonymous12:12 PM

    I did not see the interview but we all know David Gregory never asks the tough question so Ben Carson pretty much got a pass, I'd guess. But it's pretty sad when an accomplished minority figure sinks that low because he is ambitious. He is truly a horrid example for minority youth.

    1. Cheap shot, considering you missed the interview, and the context...

  3. Anonymous12:13 PM

    I am not impressed by this guy! A black man to boot! He should be ashamed of himself! I stopped watching "The View" a long time ago....so, glad I missed him!

    1. Anonymous12:33 PM

      He's a strict Seventh Day Adventist. Read up a little on their beliefs, including that the end times are near.

      He can believe all he wants to in his home or at his church, but he can't force his political beliefs on the rest of us.

      Also, LOL, the Adventists didn't become a fully organized church until 1863, so our beloved Founders knew nothing about their beliefs -- just as there was no Mormon church or Christian Science religion or Jehovah's Witnesses until our country, with religious freedom ensured, allowed all these fringe groups to prosper.

    2. Anonymous5:51 PM

      I'm more upset that he claims to be educated.

  4. Anonymous12:17 PM

    And listen to your next Lt. Governor spout off a whole lot of bullshit reasons why he thinks it's ok the break federal law and drill, baby, drill:

    Alaska Candidate: 'Martyrdom Goes A Long Way Sometimes'

    A candidate for lieutenant governor in Alaska said recently he'd be willing to invade a federal wildlife refuge to expand oil and gas drilling, even if it led to a shootout, because "martyrdom goes a long way sometimes."

    Anchorage Mayor Dan Sullivan (R) told a local Chamber of Commerce Wednesday that if he were leading the state, he'd fight for Alaska's rights, including seizing land controlled by the federal government to develop oil production, radio station KRBD reported. Sullivan's remarks were widely circulated on Tuesday.

    “One of the things I’ve suggested, too, is that if I was governor today, I’d probably invade ANWR [Arctic National Wildlife Refuge],” Sullivan said. “What are they going to do, shoot you? Well, they might. But martyrdom goes a long way sometimes.”

    Whether to allow drilling in ANWR has been a politically divisive issue for decades. Former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin (R) has been a staunch advocate for oil and gas exploration in the refuge -- remember "drill, baby, drill?" -- while the Obama administration wants to keep the land off-limits to drilling.

    Sullivan's comments are reminiscent of Nevada cattle rancher Cliven Bundy, who rallied thousands of supporters to his side in a showdown with the federal Bureau of Land Management over his unpaid grazing fees. Like Bundy, Sullivan also caught flak earlier this month for racially charged comments he made that referred to union dues as a form of "economic slavery." The lieutenant gubernatorial hopeful issued a statement saying he was sorry for any offense after the Anchorage chapter of the NAACP demanded an apology for those comments.


    1. Anonymous5:53 PM

      OK, time for the BLM to come down HARD on Bundy or this is going to get a whole lot worse.

  5. Anonymous12:18 PM

    Surgeons are like car-repair men -- no need for intellectual development or education beyond their narrow specialty.

    This reminds me of Clarence Thomas accusing the supporters of Anita Hill of conducting a high-class lynching.

    They may be lawyers or doctors, but they're fools.

    1. Anonymous5:53 PM

      Exactly! Job training =/= education.

  6. Anonymous12:18 PM


    Judge shoots down Pennsylvania's same sex marriage ban! The domino's are falling fast!

    1. Judge Jones was recommended by Frothy Santorum and appointed by PINO Shrub.

      Looks like that Earl Warren Syndrome is on a rampage. -:)

    2. Anita Winecooler6:57 PM

      I occasionally have to go to center city Philly near a very gay accepting community, and was wondering what the hoopla was about today. Good News! Now if we kicked Corbett to the curb in the election, it would make my day!

  7. Anonymous12:33 PM

    IMO Carson spent many hours studying and perfecting his craft and doing surgeries. During those lost years the world changed, but he did not.

  8. angela12:39 PM

    C'mon Gryphen--there is a reason Carson throws around crap comparing slavery to the ACA. He is being well paid for it and getting many slaps on the back from wingnuts who use him as an example of "a good negro". Carson is a self loathing idiot. He is right up there with Uncle Clarence Thomas. Bought bought and paid for--kind of a slavery of the soul.

  9. Anonymous1:06 PM

    At the Baltimore TV station I work at, we had done several interviews with Carson when he was still a surgeon. When I compare the way he is now, with the Ben Carson of the late '80s, there is a big change. Wonder if dementia is setting in.
    Not sure why he retired, not aware of any issues that received news coverage.


    1. Maple1:49 PM

      I expect his ego took over -- all that attention, with everyone calling him so talented, so smart etc.....at being a neurosurgeon....so that he decided he should get into politics and everyone would be saying the same things about him. The above post is exactly correct -- surgeons are repairmen, and don't expect them to be excellent at anything else.

    2. Anonymous2:37 PM

      There is only one reason any surgeon "retires" early and that is too many patients dying. Maybe not enough to make the news, but enough for a hospital to pull their access.

    3. Maybe he couldn't get malpractice insurance. That would pretty much force early retirement.

    4. Anonymous1:11 PM

      frontotemporal dementia

  10. Anonymous2:02 PM

    A recent post at DailyKos: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/05/16/1299595/-Running-for-president-is-just-another-bullet-point-in-the-conservative-book-marketing-plan

    A lot of comments about the arrogance of thinking that you can just start at the top!
    He has no experience running anything, never held elective office, never governed anything.
    It's a continuation of the delusions that many in the spotlight on the right hold. They take themselves wa-a-a-y too seriously and think that if they get a few headlines, then why gosh and golly shouldn't they be president!

    Ridiculous. Typical RWNJ idiot. Allright maybe this one is an idiot savant, but still. Neurosurgery training just doesn't prepare you for the presidency.

  11. Anonymous2:09 PM

    “And as I was about to say, you go back and you look at the neo-Marxist literature, and look at what they say "

    I find it so funny that these TPers and right wingers "know" more about Marxism and communism than they do the US Constitution.

    1. Anita Winecooler6:52 PM

      That really popped off the page. A "surgeon" railing against the ACA with little or no idea of the history of his own people and slavery, yet he reads "neo marxist" literature.

  12. Beldar Herbert Walker Conehead2:17 PM

    Carson has an impressive background, according to what I read many years ago. Apparently he overcame an impoverished early childhood to become an innovative surgeon who traveled internationally teaching his procedures to other surgeons.

    Obviously a smart guy but not smart enough to realize he's just being used by the RW elites. He has as much chance of getting the GOP nom as I do.

    Full disclosure: I literally have less than a 0% chance of being selected to head the GOP ticket. Of course, I'd be flattered, don't get me wrong. And, frankly, I would let them buy me a new wardrobe because I understand that's just what one does nowadays. But, very quickly it would be obvious to everyone that choosing me - or Dr. Carson - as the nominee is just a really, really, really horrendously bad idea.

    1. Anita Winecooler6:50 PM

      Hey, put your name on the ballot, you never know! So many would be easily fooled by the "Herbert Walker" middle name.

  13. Anonymous2:23 PM

    He's not an idiot and he's not a hero. What he is is singularly unlikeable. He quit his job for fame and fortune but there is no future for him in politics except as a black male Sarah Palin- which is why all he is now is another FOX talking head has-been.

  14. Anonymous3:14 PM

    He is what we in the Black community call "Uncle Ruckus". You have to watch Boondocks to understand him.


  15. Anonymous5:49 PM

    How many times do we have to say it Job training =/= education - not even the job training to be a surgeon.

  16. Anonymous5:51 PM

    OK, since Carson brought up slavery, I guess it's OK to use a couple of terms from that era? Uncle Tom, house n***** and some new ones in the same vein: TOKEN.

    And yes, he is stupid, even with that MD after his name.

    1. Anita Winecooler6:46 PM

      "According to statistics, somewhere there's "the worst doctor in the world" And some poor schmuck has an appointment with him tomorrow morning"

      George Carlin

  17. Anita Winecooler6:45 PM

    Ben uses "in a way" a LOT when cornered by his own words.

    Leave Ben Carson's Brain Alone! Yeah, you can't call him stupid,in a way. but one has to wonder why this man seems so studied on "neo Marxist Writings" or why he'd bring up marxists at all. There's a big leap from "attending school" and "being scholarly" in a way
    Substitute "Sarah Palin" for him in what you wrote:

    You cannot call Ben Carson an idiot. He was a very successful surgeon, and has written a number of bestselling books., in a way

    With the exception of "He was a very successful sugeon" (perhaps "She was a lousy hunter on her reality show") and they're equally adequate.in a way.
    And I agree on the race issue, he should know better, in a way.

  18. Did Carson graduate from the Cliven Bundy School of Political Creationism?

  19. Anonymous12:03 PM

    Ben Carson should perform a lobotomy on himself, without any anesthesia. Problem is, he'd probably be unchanged.


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