Friday, January 23, 2015

I don't think that the Rolling Stone review of American Sniper is going to make the conservatives very happy.

Courtesy of Rolling Stone: 

The really dangerous part of this film is that it turns into a referendum on the character of a single soldier. It's an unwinnable argument in either direction. We end up talking about Chris Kyle and his dilemmas, and not about the Rumsfelds and Cheneys and other officials up the chain who put Kyle and his high-powered rifle on rooftops in Iraq and asked him to shoot women and children. 

They're the real villains in this movie, but the controversy has mostly been over just how much of a "hero" Chris Kyle really was. One Academy member wondered to a reporter if Kyle (who in real life was killed by a fellow troubled vet in an eerie commentary on the violence in our society that might have made a more interesting movie) was a "psychopath." Michael Moore absorbed a ton of criticism when he tweeted that "My uncle [was] killed by sniper in WW2. We were taught snipers were cowards …" 

And plenty of other commentators, comparing Kyle's book (where he remorselessly brags about killing "savages") to the film (where he is portrayed as a more rounded figure who struggled, if not verbally then at least visually, with the nature of his work), have pointed out that real-life Kyle was kind of a dick compared to movie-Kyle. 

(The most disturbing passage in the book to me was the one where Kyle talked about being competitive with other snipers, and how when one in particular began to threaten his "legendary" number, Kyle "all of the sudden" seemed to have "every stinkin' bad guy in the city running across my scope." As in, wink wink, my luck suddenly changed when the sniper-race got close, get it? It's super-ugly stuff). 

The thing is, it always looks bad when you criticize a soldier for doing what he's told. It's equally dangerous to be seduced by the pathos and drama of the individual solider's experience, because most wars are about something much larger than that, too. 

Deifying a man who made sure to kill more people in order to protect his reputation as the most lethal sniper in the military. Just things conservatives do.

However to be serious if you actively engage in a contest where each point on the scoreboard signifies the end of a human life, you, in no way, deserve to wear the mantle of hero.

From all I can tell Kyle was a psychopath who found a legally supported, and celebrated, outlet for his murderous instincts.

Is anybody else having Jeremy Morlock flashbacks?

Cause I am.

84 comments:

  1. Anonymous4:45 PM

    Review of said movie from his home state.
    http://www.houstonpress.com/2015-01-15/film/american-sniper-review/
    Wanna know about a REAL bad-ass sniper?
    Look up Simo Häyhä, the Finnish soldier who killed 505 Soviet soldiers in under 100 days.

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      Wow, this woman has cajones

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  2. William Fulton4:56 PM

    I think you got this wrong

    Chris was doing what he was told and killing every thing he was told to kill

    We as a people elected the shitbags into office that put him there, but once there he is a soldier and a soldiers job is to kill things. Period .. we don't wear camouflage to fit in.

    We don't get to decide, where we go or who we shoot, when we take the oath, you send us we send bodies to hell, its what we do don't for a minute think we don't like it we have had our job and we do it well and with pride.

    Judging his actions is like bubba with an 8th grade education discussing quantum theory with Hawking there is no way that the american civilian can understand or comprehend the world that they have put there soldiers in. Man since the being of time has killed men from other tribes its what we do.

    Question it, debate it, but for anybody who hasn't been turned into a soldier, understanding is impossible. The ultimate goal of the military is to turn you into a Psychopath that way they don't have to pay you disability when you get out for being all fucked up about it.

    War is hell and some folks are better at it than others .....I guess what I'm trying to say is don't hate the player hate the game.

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    1. Thanks for your input Bill.

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    2. William Fulton5:07 PM

      NP Gryph long time no talk to

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    3. Leland5:08 PM

      William, as a vet in the Vietnam era, I understand what you are saying. Having said that, however, I believe you missed a sentence from above.

      "We end up talking about Chris Kyle and his dilemmas, and not about the Rumsfelds and Cheneys and other officials up the chain who put Kyle and his high-powered rifle on rooftops in Iraq and asked him to shoot women and children."

      And even more along those lines come into play in the next paragraph.


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    4. William Fulton5:21 PM

      Wasn't referring to the article just Gryph's commentary on it...that being said I thing Rolling Stone while tossing some blame at the powers that be came back around and went after the soldier

      I really don't like the movie, I don't like the book either but I understand the book I get the mind at work.... but reliving that kind of trauma is not my idea of a nice read

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    5. Anonymous5:25 PM

      What about the two "carjackers" he said he killed in Texas.
      Lie.
      What about his story of sniping looters in NO right after Katrina.
      Lie.
      Punching Ventura in a bar.(Cost him $1.8 mil.)
      Lie.
      I fully understand and respect your post,but this specific person was a pathological and systemic LIAR.

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    6. Anonymous5:44 PM

      It's like calling a lower ranking soldier nasty things just because he was following orders of his superior and killing civilians.

      #freemorlockandfriends

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    7. Anonymous5:45 PM

      War is ugly. Period.
      No one wants it. Not Cheney, not Bush, not obama, not hillary, not Sarah, not John M, no one.

      These online games go nowhere

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    8. Anonymous5:56 PM

      "No one wants it. Not Cheney, not Bush"
      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
      That's laughable bullshit right there.

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    9. Anonymous6:26 PM

      There's such a thing as quiet professionalism. You do your job. It's not always pretty. You don't go and brag about how many people you killed and add a few more names just for hell of it.

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    10. William Fulton (AKA DZ BIll)7:17 PM

      There is that ...then we come to the reality of life and trying to make a living after after such events. I'm in the process of writing a book myself about the Cox incident, so I may not be the best to post on such things.

      But you can't blame him for taking advantage of what he did it may be all he had.

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    11. Boscoe7:23 PM

      I think the point is that people are digging out the bad about Kyle in reaction to the GLORIFICATION of the "player". -And also reacting to the concept of what a sniper DOES. It's a difficult concept for any reasonable person to come to grips with.

      It's one thing to go into combat and fight, it's entirely another to hide on a rooftop and quietly snuff people out from 300 yards. You'd have to bury your head in the stereotype of the heroic sniper saving the lives of his buddies below and pretend that was ALL they ever did, to confer the title of "hero" on someone who kills in cold blood.

      Especially when their kill count becomes a matter of personal pride.

      When one thinks of snipers, one doesn't tend to think of Captain America, we think of Lee Harvey Oswald. We think of Charles Whitman. We think of James Earl Ray.

      The problem is that the argument is getting twisted into conservative vs. liberal, or "supporting the troops" or "was Kyle a psycho prick" and we're missing the opportunity to examine just what our standards are for conferring the title of "hero".

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    12. Anonymous7:29 PM

      I get the same creepy-crawly feeling in my gut when I hear about Chris Kyle as I did when I heard about Robert O'Neill, the former SEAL who claims to have shot bin Laden.

      In both cases, there is a definite sense that they took far too much pleasure in inflicting violence and death, which I find extremely disturbing.

      Taking pride in accomplishing an arduous task is one thing. Boasting about how many "savages" you killed and seeking fame and fortune as a result of it is quite another.

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    13. Anonymous7:30 PM

      I highly doubt Bill took a picture of what he killed, if he did, like Murlock did a human being as if he'd downed an elk. Screw Murlock.

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    14. William Fulton (AKA DZ BIll)7:32 PM

      I totally agree "hero" is tossed around way to often these days

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    15. Anonymous8:11 PM

      Kill someone to survive or save your buddy, but do not come back and brag about it if you do you have lost your honor, if you make money from it you have lost your honor.,and more importently they have taken your soul.

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    16. Anonymous8:41 PM

      SNIPER. I think of John Allen Muhammad

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beltway_sniper_attacks

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    17. Anonymous7:51 AM

      6:26 PM YES.



      "But you can't blame him for taking advantage of what he did it may be all he had." ?

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    18. Anonymous8:45 AM

      We certainly can blame him. He did not honor himself or his comrades by acting like an overgrown adolescent braggart. Killing during combat is (most of the time) a necessary evil. He had other options. For example, he could have actually gotten trained and educated on the best way to treat veterans with PTSD.

      He also could have written a book that was truthful and reflective instead of a book meant to be masturbation fodder for "real 'muricans," full of lies and exaggerations.

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  3. Anonymous4:58 PM

    They use the term "savages" to soothe their consciences and nothing else. Rumsfeld, the coward, once excused their actions by saying (;paraphrased from memory) "See all of those soldiers? Every one of them raised their hands and volunteered", Just like Barabara Bush, the elder, said from US1 while touring the floods in new orleans, again paraphrased from memory "Each one of those folks are going to be better off someday than they are now". What I'm trying to say is anyone can twist the facts when the truth is too hard to face/handle. Those whom the snipers killed were fully human, they felt pain, they bled, they loved and provided for their family. Poor Kyle died and missed a few parades in his honor while practicing psychology without a licence, The "heroic" American Snyper was taken out by a patient with PTSD.

    I'm not dissing vets and the jobs they do. I'm just saying it's time to back up and be honest about this man.

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  4. Anonymous5:16 PM

    I spent last evening reading the poems of Rupert Brooke and Wilfred Owen, British writers who were both killed in World War I. Brooke was emblematic of the beginning of the war, romanticizing it with beautiful language. He died in April, 1915 on a ship headed for Gallipoli.
    Owen lived through the hell of trench warfare, and wrote unforgettable poems about it. He was killed, by a sniper, exactly one week before the end of the war in November, 1918.
    Both soldier-poets are very much worth your reading. The combination of blind patriotism, and the powerlessness of the soldiers, speaks as much to us today as for a hundred years ago.

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    1. William Fulton5:25 PM

      Well said sir ...

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  5. Anonymous5:24 PM

    Wilfred Owen. The Latin means "It is sweet and right to die for one's country --

    Wilfred Owen
    Dulce Et Decorum Est

    Bent double, like old beggars under sacks,
    Knock-kneed, coughing like hags, we cursed through sludge,
    Till on the haunting flares we turned our backs
    And towards our distant rest began to trudge.
    Men marched asleep. Many had lost their boots
    But limped on, blood-shod. All went lame; all blind;
    Drunk with fatigue; deaf even to the hoots
    Of disappointed shells that dropped behind.

    GAS! Gas! Quick, boys!-- An ecstasy of fumbling,
    Fitting the clumsy helmets just in time;
    But someone still was yelling out and stumbling
    And floundering like a man in fire or lime.--
    Dim, through the misty panes and thick green light
    As under a green sea, I saw him drowning.

    In all my dreams, before my helpless sight,
    He plunges at me, guttering, choking, drowning.

    If in some smothering dreams you too could pace
    Behind the wagon that we flung him in,
    And watch the white eyes writhing in his face,
    His hanging face, like a devil's sick of sin;
    If you could hear, at every jolt, the blood
    Come gargling from the froth-corrupted lungs,
    Obscene as cancer, bitter as the cud
    Of vile, incurable sores on innocent tongues,--
    My friend, you would not tell with such high zest
    To children ardent for some desperate glory,
    The old Lie: Dulce et decorum est
    Pro patria mori.

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  6. My perspective, and i am 100% unapologetic about it, is that Fallujah was My Lai on a much bigger scale. Shooting helpless civilians like fish in a barrel for no fucking reason. Unless you count killing four mercenaries from Blackwater as a "reason." Four people any community in America would have killed. If your fucking kill count comes out of My Lai x 100, then you suck, and that troubled vet did the entire Earth a favor.

    Germans were hanged for much less than the US did at Fallujah.

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    1. William Fulton5:49 PM

      Marion I know Marines that were in Fallujah you sir have no clue about it and nobody to my knowledge was "shooting helpless civilians like fish in a barrel" where do you get this assessment ????

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    2. Anonymous6:24 PM

      Bill Fulton?

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    3. Anonymous6:51 PM

      Oops, I didn't read up to the top of the thread. It is Bull Fulton.

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    4. William Fulton (AKA DZ BIll)7:13 PM

      Yes .......

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    5. Sallyin MI8:36 PM

      I think that Kyle bragged about shooting civilians, didn't he? And since he dehumanized anyone not white and in a US uniform, it wouldn't surprise me if he thought of them as some carny game. Also, we killed 100,000 Iraqis if not more. Your contact from Fallujah may not have been part of it, but a lot of American soldiers were killing civilians.

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    6. You can not kill someone in war and not dehumanize them, there in lies the conflict of people who have killed the enemy vs people who have never killed vs people who kill people

      And no he never raged about killing civilians he was conflicted about a few of his shots but those were found to be justified.

      Look I get it the right wing has atached itself like a bad case of gonorrhea to this guy but he like most soldiers didn't give two fucks about politics when he was killing folks

      As for civilians killed I can give you the numbers under Saddam Hussein 6 million plus....... killed Since US invasion about 133,000 and that includes both sides


      Not that I agree with our invasion but fuck don't bring up civilian deaths when our presence there has halted 80% of them. If you do bring them up it means you give a shit less about life(or your just mentally inept) and more about making a political point .......and that is what got us into this bull shit to start with

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    7. Anonymous9:22 PM

      Thank you, sir!

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    8. Anonymous2:44 PM

      The trained killers that are dehumanized and trained to dehumanize others in order to kill them also need to be reintegrated into a life where dehumanized trained killers are not the way to be.

      Kyle was a dehumanized soldier that was never healthy again. He may have always been a sick man. Mentally not human.

      He glorified and made money off some of the worst of what can become of mankind.

      The heroes would be among the dehumanized trained killers that can be restored to being human again.

      Chris Kyle was a total failure.

      He was a con man and a liar and yes, he was a coward.

      It would take real strength to face his dehumanized self and reintegrate as a human.

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  7. Anonymous5:42 PM

    It's not like Rolling Stone is known for ethics. They often report "from the horses mouth" without ever talking to the "horse"

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    1. Anonymous5:55 PM

      Kristy Patullo's mouth?

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    2. Anonymous7:04 PM

      I'm sure you'd be glad to give us quite a few examples since you claim they "often" do that.

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    3. Anonymous9:29 PM

      It is NOT Kristy, it's Alicia from Flirida. She used to live in Brooklyn and she is insane and a stalker.

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  8. Anonymous5:47 PM

    #freemorlock who was at the behest of his "boss" and told with the others to carry out boss's plan. Boss got life with parole. The others shouldn't have received more than dishonorable discharge and possibly charity.

    There is a professor who's studied war history who was trying o help the boys get out of their sad predicament thanks to the boss

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    1. Sallyin MI8:33 PM

      There is NO excuse for that disgusting photo Jeremy had taken of him with the Iraqi citizen he had just shot. You can't blame that on his boss. He begged Sarah for help, and SHE ignored him. Blame her (and Jeremy.)

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    2. Anonymous9:58 PM

      I read article comments about Brad Hanson, hockey coach in Valley. Brutal asshole, parents argued, some liked his idiot brutality towards kids, others not. He was just one adult in the area that kids had to survive. I don't know if he had anything to do with Morlock. Morlock may have had worse or better adults to raise him. I think the area must be toxic. I don't blame it all on that but that could be part of Morlock sickness.

      Since Sarah was able to get so many advantages for one boy, her son, she should have at least responded to Morlock.

      She is the person in an authority roll that I blame for Morlock being stuck going back to war. He clearly saw that he needed help and a way out.

      I don't get why the Morlock that Todd dated didn't contact him about Jeremy's dire need. Or maybe she did and Todd is an ass.

      Sarah for certain has a black heart.

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    3. Anonymous8:14 AM

      @ #freemorlock

      Jeremy Morlock's "boss" would do anything for McCain/Palin. Palin herself was Commander in Chief of the Alaskan National Guard. If you don't get the power and influence of the propaganda machine you will remain lost in a very small world.

      Alone "boss" Palin could have done many things. She could have started by not ignoring the close family friend. You've heard how they go on about friends, well what liars they are. "Boss" Palin could have responded to Jeremy as a professional to a soldier constituent from her home base. She didn't even do that.

      "Boss" Palin had all kinds of access to "boss" McCain and "boss" Department of Defense/Pentagon. "Boss" Palin did put her "boss" credentials into endless time and energy into a total fabrication about her own blood, Track Palin. About 99% of it was lies.

      You really think that "boss" Palin couldn't have managed a moment of honest professional work and responded to Jeremy Morlock?

      Sick people need help. "Boss" Palin dropped the ball. Now it is too late to free Morlock. Thank "boss" Palin. Her son, Track Palin, got all the goodies, Morlock didn't matter.

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    4. Anonymous11:15 AM

      You should read up on John McCain. He was no saint. This boss you speak of didn't let him down. Why can't Jeremy Morlock tap into his connections? What do you think would have happened if Track Palin was in Jeremy's situation with that boss? It would have worked out the same as it always did for John McCain. I doubt Jeremy would have had to bother with a trial, he would be a free man. There are people who would help him run for an office. He could be Congressman Morlock today. The boss does many amazing things. Just ask Sarah Palin.

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  9. Anonymous5:47 PM

    Gryphen just slandered two good men

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    1. Anonymous5:54 PM

      You, Kristy Patullo, just slandered Gryphen. Isn't it time for you to look at your wall of Bristol Palin photos and slip into your fantasy world? Wasn't it enough that the Palins put the police in touch with you, Troll? You will not be satisfied until you are arrested again. Keep it up, Foolish Juvenile acting woman.

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    2. Anonymous6:02 PM

      Who?
      Lawyer up and file suit.
      Btw -
      Jesse Ventura sued and won $1.8 mil. from LIAR Chris Kyle.Google is your friend,look it up.

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    3. Anonymous7:06 PM

      Do not use the words slander or libel again. You clearly have no clue what they mean.

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    4. William Fulton (AKA DZ BIll)7:37 PM

      Bullshit Gryph gave his opinion of a movie WTF is wrong with you....he even put my designating view up why be a one line dick come on you want to talk about it Gryphs comments are open.....................

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    5. Anonymous3:42 PM

      Ahhhh the libel troll has arrived, quick on the trigger finger with the itchiest uvula this side of Wasilla. Life is good!

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  10. Anonymous6:16 PM

    Yes. To your last question Gryph. Yes.

    -sjp

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  11. Anonymous6:53 PM

    Off topic could Boehner committed treason by violating the Logan Act (18 U.S.C.A. 953?

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    1. Anonymous10:25 PM

      Boehner needs to lose his position as Speaker of the House. Who do we contact to start this process? The guy committed treason!!

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  12. Anonymous6:56 PM

    Matt Taibbi does not do movie reviews, change your headline

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    1. Anonymous8:59 AM

      Well, his name is on the article.

      http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/american-sniper-is-almost-too-dumb-to-criticize-20150121?page=3

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    2. Anonymous3:39 PM

      ROTFL "Matt Taibbi does not do movie reviews, change your headline"

      Reminds me of the scene from "Life of Brian" when Brian screams at the true believers "Oh Fuck Off!!" and the true believers ask, in unison "But master, how shall we Fuck Off?" Snort Snort Snort, Chortle Amitire? Amirite? Go suck swamp water through a straw, you're not the boss of the blog.

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  13. Anonymous7:24 PM

    I just saw "The Imiration Game". Alan Turing was a true hero.

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  14. Anonymous7:29 PM

    In the museum of London there is a plaque about the war on terror in Iraq and the role UK played. A quote from Bush leading up to the war " I will not allow a dictator control 25% of the worlds oil" . Tony Blair is being put through the legal hoops even now for taking UK to war, it is up to American citizens to decide of Bush and Cheney will have to as well. I think most of America thinks like Bush and Cheney.

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  15. Anonymous7:55 PM

    I was just watching Band Of Brothers, those were real heroes, they did not brag about how many kills they had, they spent their lives trying to forget what happened.

    Those are the real hero's, the humble, the ones that just did their duty and wanted to get home, no books, no glory seeking.My husband was a Vietnam vet who received the bronze star and lost his hearing in one ear in the process, ask him Sarah about the toll that war takes, to this day he cannot be in crowds, won't fly on a plane because they make you take your shoes off or get scanned. Get real, get small, war is hell and you don't write a book about it, you don't brag about it.

    What the hell has she really done for vets? except pose for photos and talk about Track like a hero for her own gain, even my husband is sick of hearing " Thank you for your service" .

    Real men don't write books, lie and expect some kind of reward for just trying not to die.Do not glorify war Sarah.

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    1. Band of brothers was a book written by one of them and the remaining men from Easy company appeared at tons of events and auctioned of an incredible amount of signed artifacts

      SO what are you trying to say again????

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    2. Anonymous3:50 AM

      Read for comprehension much, William? She said real men do not brag abut killing people, make a ton of cash off of it, and have a lot of it be LIES like Kyle did.
      She;s also addressing Sarah who pimps her son out as some slick war hero, sucks up to the gun industry that pushes for more war (and dead soldiers to boot) and is a total hypocrite.
      Got that?

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    3. Anonymous5:49 AM

      .... real men do not brag abut killing people, make a ton of cash off of it, and have a lot of it be LIES like Kyle did.
      She;s also addressing Sarah who pimps her son out as some slick war hero, sucks up to the gun industry that pushes for more war (and dead soldiers to boot) and is a total hypocrite.


      AGREE!

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    4. Anonymous8:00 AM

      Stephen Ambrose wrote Band of Brothers. It took him years to get these men to a point where they wanted to share.

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    5. Anonymous4:27 PM

      3:50 AM Yes. And for those that don't believe in the influence and power of military and political propaganda check out the budget.

      Chris Kyle wrote a book with Scott McEwen, Jim DeFelice.

      It is not so much fact based as it is from Kyle's perspective of what he wanted presented. Some people act like it is their Bible and Kyle is Christ-like due to some stories. That book doesn't make anyone a hero. They may have written it to make Kyle something he was not, but that is all. There are other snipers with different stories. Some may have made a better character study.

      Had Kyle not been so inflated and foolish he might be alive today. Like the man that wrote "A Million Little Pieces", Kyle could apologize for a bad book and be more worthy of respect today. From what I understand it is a War Memoir. Not so much about how the movie is said to use the book. Eastwood and Copper are saying it is a character study and anti-war. I'm not sure how Eastwood means anti-war, I don't think he is talking about the corrupt administration that lied us into that war and made trained killers for corrupt and wrong reasons.

      Kyle was doing a job when he was killing innocent people in a corrupt war. His job was not to write a book to glorify war or himself. That is the part that makes him look so bad and not my concept of a good American or soldier.

      So far I think Eastwood and Bradley must have dropped the ball if they wanted to do a character study and an anti-war film. They did not have to use a scurrilous character and a proven liar like Kyle. They didn't follow the book so much as they cleaned up Kyle's character. Not good for history to fudge on an actual persons character.

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  16. Anonymous9:00 PM

    My memory of when we were going into the Bush/Cheney wars is that there was so much that couldn't be discussed. Yes, you could discuss between like minded friend. In other situations you didn't love your country, you were disloyal and a disgrace.

    So many discussions were thwarted. Now so much confusion and people are trying to have discussions that were needed years before.

    We just keep fussing.

    Maher, Panel Clash over American Sniper: Just About ‘Psychopath Patriot’

    http://www.mediaite.com/tv/maher-panel-clash-over-american-sniper-just-about-psychopath-patriot/

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    1. Anonymous4:29 AM

      In the run-up to the war, saying, "But Iraq was not responsible for 9/11" would get you shouted down for "hating the troops" and not being "rill Murkkkun!"

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  17. Anonymous9:21 PM

    O/T The shit is already coming in from Des Moines

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politics/wp/2015/01/24/palin-say-shes-seriously-interested-in-2016-campaign/

    DES MOINES — Former Alaska governor Sarah Palin told The Washington Post in an interview Friday that she is “seriously interested” in running for the White House in 2016.

    “You can absolutely say that I am seriously interested,” Palin said, when asked to clarify her thinking about a possible presidential bid.

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    1. Anonymous9:55 PM

      http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2015-01-24/from-the-chili-kitchen-to-the-hotel-bar-the-launch-of-palin-2016

      "There are some people speaking tomorrow that aren't going to be candidates," said Iowa GOP Chairman Jeff Kaufmann after a Friday night reporter meet-and-greet. "Sarah Palin isn't going to be a candidate."

      Palin at the Marriott in Des Moines:
      http://media.gotraffic.net/images/i.bSw.Tzekfs/v2/-1x-1.png

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    2. Anonymous7:29 AM

      Palin is also interested in Dakota Meyer's junk.
      http://www.ifyouonlynews.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/PalinSign1-585x438.jpg

      It means nothing what she says about her interests.

      It only means the press is ridiculous and won't earn their salary. There are real stories out there that could do this country good.

      Why do they bother to chase Rainbow Fart?

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    3. Anonymous11:11 AM

      I think someone at Bloomberg is trying to send out a message.

      The first article that is linked to in Anon 9:55's post is titled: From the Chili Kitchen to the Hotel Lobby: The Launch of Palin 2016...

      But if you look at the URL, it says "...bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2015-01-24/from-the-chili-kitchen-to-the-hotel-bar-the-launch-of-palin-2016"

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  18. Anonymous10:22 PM

    It is very clear the Republicans don't want a thing to do with Palin as a candidate. Reminds me of when Romney cut her out last go around. She is nothing but a detriment to their party and they know it! She's been told to change her story!!!!

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      She can change her story all she wants to.
      We all know the truth.

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    2. Anonymous8:26 AM

      Republicans need to do the right thing. They may ignore her and all that, still they are complicit in the crimes. The only way out is the truth.

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  19. Caroll Thompson1:48 AM

    Yes, the radical right is not going to be happy about this review.

    It really is a shame that we as a country cannot have an intelligent conversation about just about anything. Good for Rolling Stone for offering a thoughtful review. It is too bad that the review will not be met with a civil debate about the merits or lack thereof of the Iraq War.

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    1. Anonymous1:57 PM

      When the Oscar buzz gets going I wonder if the Kyle-Hero coalition will have intimidated most every media person with another perspective into submission. It would be a coup for the Guy-Who-Talks-To-Empty-Chair to come out a winner.
      Six nominations, he certainly has a chance.

      I just wish they could have done a character study without bringing such a pitiful example into the mix. Too many lies and liars are distracting.

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  20. Anonymous5:50 AM

    littlebrowndog • 11 hours ago

    Her thoughts on "American Sniper"
    Might as well be a poop in her diaper.
    If I pay her attention,
    It's only to mention
    It isn't my duty to wipe her.
    ---------------------------
    From Crooks And Liars

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  21. Anonymous6:02 AM

    I'm not going to see the movie. I did read the Rolling Stones article, wanting to hear his opinion. But when he dissed Forrest Gump and misunderstood that movie's message and meaning, then that discredited his opinion, for me.

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  22. Anonymous7:11 AM

    "It really is a shame that we as a country cannot have an intelligent conversation about just about anything."

    And lying braggarts write books that old men turn into celluloid fantasy that stir up intense emotions and less thought and consideration. Killing off intelligent conversation. However, increasing gun sales and bully rhetoric. War is addicting, it appears that some will not let go of their war addiction.

    Now they create false heroes that they must protect and start a civil war. If you don't believe the liar they will unleash hell on earth, beat you up. If you are Michael Moore you or your family could end up like the victims of the Tucson massacre.

    He is selling a book.
    https://twitter.com/Dakota_Meyer/status/558544679570911232

    ___ real men do not brag about killing people, make a ton of cash off of it, and have a lot of it be LIES ___

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    1. Anonymous12:19 PM

      Meyer does have a book to sell. Maybe making the Sarah photo op viral is the trend to sell books.

      Videos contradict Medal of Honor recipient’s account of Taliban attack
      http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2013/10/14/205341/videos-contradict-medal-of-honor.html
      Another tale about a liar that "deserved it".

      Too bad Meyer and most of his followers have so little reading comprehension. They have really twisted the Moore tweet in order to insight the crazies. It's their way of honoring a proven liar, Kyle, since he suffered from a psychopathic personality disorder and became a PTSD savior.

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  23. Anonymous8:06 AM

    But, Sarah Palin told us the troops are over there fighting for that there 2nd amendment that she and her fans think means you can kill government officials if they do something you don't like! I'm so confused now!

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  24. Anonymous9:04 PM

    Ted Nugent brags about how many hundreds of wild hogs he killed.

    This is what the homeless were served:
    http://www.sacbee.com/news/nation-world/national/ysfagi/picture8073435/ALTERNATES/FREE_960/People%20Palin%20Vegas.JPG

    http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/sarah-palin-holds-sign-blasting-michael-moore

    Sarah Palin has never been one to shy away from controversy — and now she’s jumping into a new one over the film “American Sniper.”

    On Friday, Afghanistan war veteran Dakota Meyer posted a photo to his Twitter account of himself and the former Alaska governor and vice presidential candidate holding up a sign that said “F— you Michael Moore,” with the Os in Moore deliberately drawn as cross-hairs. In a blog post, Palin’s daughter Bristol confirmed that the photo was indeed really Sarah Palin.

    The sign was a response to a controversial tweet in which Moore, a documentary filmmaker known for his left-wing views, called snipers “cowards,” saying: “My uncle killed by sniper in WW2. We were taught snipers were cowards. Will shoot u in the back. Snipers aren’t heroes. And invaders r worse.”

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  25. Anonymous10:10 PM

    I didn't know much about Meyers before. I guess he is also a little disturbed with serious mental problems.

    Dakota Meyers is tired of Americans living in fear so he makes signage for Micheal Moore to live in fear.

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/dec/3/marine-medal-honor-recipient-invites-islamic-state/

    Meyers also invites Islamic State to his home to die.

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  26. Anonymous11:40 PM

    This will be one movie that I WILL NOT watch. And I hope it fails. If you want to watch a little reality in movies and politics I would suggest....Fair Game, Green Zone and Zero Dark 30. The one thing that Zero Dark 30 shows is the torture the Bush govt. did. Fair Game and Green Zone shows there was never any WMD's.

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  27. Anonymous8:06 AM

    I won't watch either, there is nothing for me to get from it. Although I wish we could watch as a nation and feel shock at what it shows about an aspect of our military, that is not what seems to be happening. Too many are turning a sick victim, yes I think Kyle is a victim of the insanity of war, into a hero.

    This makes the rest of the world think that this is what the US is about, what we idolize. When we make the actions of this killer heroic, we look like the cold-blooded, civilian-killing conquerers that the terrorists claim we are.

    Mildred

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  28. Anonymous3:19 PM

    Rolling Stone actually allows Michael Moore to have a say.

    1/25/15
    From the Dept. of Irony: I only hire Navy SEALS and ex-special forces for when I need security - such as this week, when so-called supporters of those SEALs want me harmed," Moore said.
    http://www.rollingstone.com/movies/news/michael-moore-responds-to-haters-after-american-sniper-uproar-20150125

    1/25/15
    "My 12 Years of Support for the Troops "
    Before I post my more general thoughts later today or tomorrow about the ruckus of the past week regarding the response to my heartfelt comment on twitter about my uncle who was killed in World War II by a sniper - and how I was taught to despise snipers of any stripe - I would like to address this one insane mantra that the right-wing has twisted my tweet into: "Michael Moore hates the troops."
    https://www.facebook.com/mmflint/posts/10152568343941857

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