Courtesy of Real Clear Politics:
BILL CLINTON: It's not altogether mysterious that there are a lot of people that say, well, the Republican party rewarded the Tea Party. Just tell people what they want to hear, move them to the right, and we'll be rewarded, except they didn't get anything done.
Then that's going on now in our party. If you don't deal with the fact that we are too politically polarized and we keep rewarding people who tell us things we know they can't do because it pushes our hot button, we can't go forward together.
You know I love me some bill Clinton.
And I am a Hillary supporter. More or less.
However it might be a good idea to think about muzzling the Big Dog. At least during the primaries.
I'm just not sure that he is helping.
Okay I lied, I KNOW he is not helping.
He's telling the truth, like it or not.
ReplyDeleteI'll ride with Robert Reich thank you very much.
DeleteI'll side with the Clintons. Too much is at stake now to mess around with naive idealism, launched by those who aren't really Democrats. I used to bristle at the Trump-Sanders comparisons, but no longer. The Supreme Court is at stake. The last shred of democracy is at stake. It's time to get serious. Bernie should help us hold the Senate; he took 30 years too long to launch his great revolution.
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DeleteLow? WTF? There wasn't anything wrong with what he said and he never even mentioned the Saunders campaign. He simply said this is happening in our party. Wow talk about making a mountain out of a mole hill Gryphen! Put down the bong!! lmao!!
DeleteDitto 8:50am
DeleteAre the caucuses just white people? Are there Latino, AA, ...in polls? Same as when Romney ran, high polls for him. I really don't know.
ReplyDeleteWell, look at the two states that have just held caucuses - Iowa and New Hampshire. Not bastions of much of anything, except white voters. As far as I'm concerned, the whole purpose of holding an early caucus is to bring attention to the state. Otherwise, no one pays much attention to either one of them unless there's a weather calamity.
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DeleteDon't forget that NH is also next door to Vermont, Sanders' home state. There are a lot of similarities, politically, between NH and VT, so it was to be expected that Sanders would win that state.
In the meantime, he hasn't been doing himself a lot of favors with many of the statements he's made in the past couple of weeks. His campaign apparatus is certainly not the well-oiled machine that Clinton has, and that may end up hurting him more and more as this battle continues. She learned a lot during the 2008 campaign and is clearly putting that knowledge to work this time around.
It might indeed be time for Bill to go sit on the porch for a breather. I hate to see democrats(or people running under the banner) get ugly about other democrats.
ReplyDeleteSometimes Bill is just a bit too much. He seems to lose it in South Carolina.
Sounds like Billary are bringing out the trash talk like they did in 2014 primary season just about how when they saw Obama's popularity. It does them no favors or advantage: suspect people have decided which camp they are in and that's that.
DeleteThe interviewer looked confused. "So the point I guess...." but video ends. What IS the point except bringing out an obviously failing, alas, Bill. No wild applause at his "point" from audience.
Time to muzzle that skank. He's a dirty fighter and, I think, really doesn't want to see his wife take the office that he once had.
ReplyDeleteDisagree. This has been their plan for eons.
DeleteFunny how you didn't bother to mention how Chris Hayes was forced to apologize for framing Bill Clinton, for editing what he said to make it look bad.
ReplyDeleteNo, you didn't mention that because it's too easy to ride Bill Clinton's back 24/7 doing Sarah Fucking Lazyass Palin's work for her.
You also haven't mentioned the dirty shit being reported from Nevada. Why is that?
If you have links for any of this please provide them.
DeleteI can find nothing that backs up your accusations.
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/chris-hayes-on-deceptive-bill-clinton-edit-we-shouldnt-have-done-that/
Deletehttp://www.newsweek.com/sanders-complaints-iowa-nevada-420806
Deletehttp://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/chris-hayes-bill-clinton-context
DeleteThanks for the info and links.
DeleteFor the record, Bernie Sanders's tribe is exactly like the Tea Party: narrow, self-interested and self-righteous.
ReplyDeleteI suspect that many of Bernie Sanders' supporters are like the Ralph Nader groupies of 2000 and 2004. In some ways they are just as ignorant of political realities as the GOP "teabaggers" but they are generally a lot younger, they spell better and they are more articulate. This is the same crowd of "progressives" that has complained that President Obama did not give the country universal single payor healthcare since 2009, ignoring (or not understanding) the battle that took place in Congress to get any health care reform passed. What kind of lead in that battle did Bernie Sanders take at the time?
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Not true. They are no where near the tea party. But I will grant you that there is a certain (as yet still small) faction that is very much like the tea party.
DeleteYep keep insulting and degrading Bernie supporters, that ought to help bring them into voting for Hillary. Well done genius!
Delete6:12 - you reap what you sow.
DeleteYes, I find this especially here. As a Bernie supporter, I'm a senior and their are plenty of us. We care about our children, grandchildren, we care about the water, the earth being ruined, food and the war mongers.. Hillary is not the future she is same ole same corporate bribes and corruption. What the Hillary supporters don't realize is it's just not us democrats, it's independents, and republicans too. You don't see what crowds are coming to Bernie? No because you don't want to, because your mind is closed. Then you diss us. Sorry I'M not arguing.
Delete7:12 - open your arms to President Trump. You built it. Embrace it. Bernie is old and will not win a national election.
Deletehttp://www.shakesville.com/2016/02/what-is-sanders-campaign-even-doing.html
DeleteThe Sanders campaign's very bad day
Funny we think Hillary supporters are just like tea partiers.
Delete7:33 - No Democrats think that. Democrats actually know people in their own party. Just all you swell Bernie Bros!
DeleteThe BLM crowd is the left wings tea party. Except they are violent, low IQ, and ready to riot and steal at a moments notice as long as Soros provides the bus ride. Tea party people actually work or are retired from their careers, BLM is vastly unemployed and living off welfare and assistance scams.
Delete8:37 - crazy talk!
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DeleteYou need your meds
Another prime example of your precious little BLMers:
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Don't all candidates promise.things that they cannot do? This includes you, Bill, and your wife.
ReplyDeleteAs a democrat I am worried for the party. Our system is flawed. Way more than the gop. Ours is fully rigged regarding super delegates. Also, the clintons are nasty.
ReplyDeleteOh, please. It worked out just fine for President Obama. What a bunch of crap.
DeleteAn elegant reposte, sir 5:27.
Delete5:03 - are you really a Democrat? Just wondering...
DeleteIf they were nasty, it would show in Chelsea. It doesn't so, I wouldn't worry.
Delete5:03 The facts about Dem. super delegates doesn't support your angst.
Deletehttps://medium.com/@patricetaylor/here-are-the-actual-facts-about-super-delegates-7660c5c7dd1#.8oa9wjl3k
I would certainly prefer to see the Democratic presidential primary campaign remain at a high level so I think that Bill Clinton should take a long trip somewhere. Hillary is doing just fine staying on the "high road."
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HA HA HA What high road??? Evidently you don't read, going after Bernie just like she went after Obama. Please just google. I don't want to argue. We'll see how well she does.
Deletehttp://www.shakesville.com/2016/02/what-is-sanders-campaign-even-doing.html
DeleteLet's talk about Bernie's "high road."
Please, enough already with the Shakesville links. That site is run by an abusive, rude, gaslighting narcissist masquerading as a "safe-space" promoting feminist. She is devoted to electing Hillary Clinton while constantly smearing Bernie Sanders and minimizing his stellar record in Congress. If you dare to disagree with anything she says, you'll be sworn at, bullied, and piled-on. Again: NOT PROGRESSIVE. and NOT A SAFE SPACE. There are other ways to support Hillary than to invoke a blog that has lost all cred in recent years.
DeletePlease cite the published criticism of Shakesville. I really am interested in your sources. Thanks.
Deletehttps://lettertosanders.wordpress.com/2016/02/17/open-letter-to-senator-sanders-and-professor-gerald-friedman-from-past-cea-chairs/
DeletePlease cite Sanders' 'sterling record in Congress.' The man wasn't even a Democrat until recently.
Delete8:16 Gryphen lists Shakesville on his sidebar. You're welcome.
DeleteIf anyone is going after Obama, it is Bernie. Some of the things he has said about our President and teaming up with Cornell West just really disappoints me.
DeleteNever heard of the blog or even noticed it on this sidebar but visited and she seems a lot angry and a lot wordy, I don't have enough hours in the day to read wordy, angry rants.
Delete9:07 Shakesville *used* to be a really good progressive blog--back in the day. I was a contributing author and daily reader ten years ago. So were many friends. It went "off the rails" in 2008 and most sane contributors and readers went elsewhere. You're welcome.
Delete8:44 This post brought forth over 300 comments from former readers & contributors. They share their stories about what happened to them at Shakesville and why they left. You're welcome. http://shakesvillekoolaid.tumblr.com/post/88568874129/submission-circle-time
DeleteOh, so anonymous posters are against her. Got it, @10:35.
DeleteNo, 11:55, there are hundreds of people posting under their usual Disqus screen names. I guess you didn't read the comments. It's not about being "against her". It's about people speaking out about their experiences at Shakesville, a place that has become abusive and even cult-like. Ironically, the opposite of a safe space. (I see you are anonymous and "for her". Got it.)
Delete@10:24 "Wordy, angry rants". That is an excellent description of Shakesville, more so now than ever.
Delete12:11 - I am sorry you are so traumatized. Please skip over any links to Shakesville. You have my express encouragement to do so forever and ever.
DeleteAre there any signed pieces against Shakesville from writers we've actually heard of? Some major feminists still cite her via social media. So if you know of any one identifiable against her, please point her/him out. Using search engines, I've found nothing. Thanks.
Delete12:27 - Melissa, no-one needs your "express encouragement" to skip over links to Shakesville. Your deranged nastiness accomplished that all on its own, long ago. Enjoy your day!
DeleteThanks, @1:35. Your response tells me all I need to know.
Delete@3:07 Sorry, Melissa, you really don't know anything. Or you wouldn't be so obvious. You really should try to contain your nastiness, keep it over at your "Safe Space" though. It's toxic. Gryphen's spot is fun. Don't ruin it. #LastWord
DeleteI think Bill is very effective against republicans and can put them in their place by framing issues like nobody else. But he should layoff other Democratic candidates. He tends to go too negative.
ReplyDeleteThat's because Bill is a republican. The republicans split into the John Birch Society and Rand/Laffer bots.
DeleteBernie has exactly TWO endorsements from members of Congress. Other democrats don't support his pie-in-the-sky plans. He'd be in WORSE SHAPE than the Tea Party. They had more supporters in Congress.
ReplyDeleteBill is correct!
Anyone see Rachel Maddow go all in for Bernie last night? She joins Andrea, Joe S, and the rest of the MSNBC group in ensuring a Trump victory. Way to go ladies and gents!
ReplyDeleteChris Hayes, too! Http://www.mediaite.com/tv/chris-hayes-on-deceptive-bill-clinton-edit-we-shouldnt-have-done-that/
DeleteCorrected link: http://www.mediaite.com/tv/chris-hayes-on-deceptive-bill-clinton-edit-we-shouldnt-have-done-that/
DeleteSuch intelligent journalists can't see the money that Rove and the GOP is putting into electing Bernie?
DeleteWe've got the BIG BLINDERS on now.
As soon as they knock out HRC, they'll pull out the billion bucks to paint Bernie as a sexual deviant who wants to grow government by 40 to 50 percent and raise everyone's taxes.
Hello POTUS TRUMP!
Exactly. Clinton is RIGHT! We can't have "free college' in the US; the GOP hates paid for health care for all. We can't raise wages; the GOP will only reward the top. Bernie Sanders' pipe dreams are nice, but in the real DC, there will be no 'revolution,' there will be movement to the left with Hillary-there will be a GOP idiot in the WH again if we select Sanders.
DeleteBILL CLINTON: It's not altogether mysterious that there are a lot of people that say, well, Hillary rewarded Wall Street. Just tell people what they want to hear, become Senator of a state you never lived in, and she'll be rewarded, except she didn't get anything done.
ReplyDeleteThere. Fixed that for ya BILLO
I don't see any diversity at all.
ReplyDeleteDo you love you some Bill Clinton about as much as you used to love you some Bill Cosby Gryph?
ReplyDeleteoff topic
ReplyDeleteJeb! pulls the old Sarah Palin "I'm the Commander in Chief of the National Guard" trick out of his @$$!
Jeb Bush argued Wednesday that he was prepared to negotiate foreign policy from the White House because he had been "commander-in-chief" of the Florida National Guard.
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/bush-commander-chief-national-guard
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ReplyDelete(Sorry, Gryphen, I had posted something about Jeb Bush's web domain being snapped up and re-directed to Trump. Realized it was off-topic for this thread.)
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