Courtesy of Letters to Sanders:
Dear Senator Sanders and Professor Gerald Friedman,
We are former Chairs of the Council of Economic Advisers for Presidents Barack Obama and Bill Clinton. For many years, we have worked to make the Democratic Party the party of evidence-based economic policy. When Republicans have proposed large tax cuts for the wealthy and asserted that those tax cuts would pay for themselves, for example, we have shown that the economic facts do not support these fantastical claims. We have applied the same rigor to proposals by Democrats, and worked to ensure that forecasts of the effects of proposed economic policies, from investment in infrastructure, to education and training, to health care reforms, are grounded in economic evidence. Largely as a result of efforts like these, the Democratic party has rightfully earned a reputation for responsibly estimating the effects of economic policies.
We are concerned to see the Sanders campaign citing extreme claims by Gerald Friedman about the effect of Senator Sanders’s economic plan—claims that cannot be supported by the economic evidence. Friedman asserts that your plan will have huge beneficial impacts on growth rates, income and employment that exceed even the most grandiose predictions by Republicans about the impact of their tax cut proposals.
As much as we wish it were so, no credible economic research supports economic impacts of these magnitudes. Making such promises runs against our party’s best traditions of evidence-based policy making and undermines our reputation as the party of responsible arithmetic. These claims undermine the credibility of the progressive economic agenda and make it that much more difficult to challenge the unrealistic claims made by Republican candidates.
Sincerely,
Alan Krueger, Princeton University
Chair, Council of Economic Advisers, 2011-2013
Austan Goolsbee, University of Chicago Booth School
Chair, Council of Economic Advisers, 2010-2011
Christina Romer, University of California at Berkeley
Chair, Council of Economic Advisers, 2009-2010
Laura D’Andrea Tyson, University of California at Berkeley Haas School of Business
Chair, Council of Economic Advisers, 1993-1995
It should be noted that even though these are economic advisers from Democratic administrations supporters of Bernie Sanders might simply dismiss them as Hilary supporters and ignore entirely any advice they may provide.
But should they?
Beats me, I'm no economist.
However Paul Krugman is one, and he had this to say:
Sanders needs to disassociate himself from this kind of fantasy economics right now. If his campaign responds instead by lashing out — well, a campaign that treats Alan Krueger, Christy Romer, and Laura Tyson as right-wing enemies is well on its way to making Donald Trump president.
Essentially almost every problem that Bernie Sanders sees he believes can be solved through more jobs, a better economy, and taxing the wealthy.
If top Democratic economists pile on him like this that is going to seriously undercut his message, and potentially damage his credibility.
P.S. Before we begin to discuss this remember no hair pulling, eye gouging, or biting. Okay?
We have Bill Clinton to thank for NAFTA. If he gets his way we'll have Barack Obama to thank for the TPP. Two trade deals from hell. The first one cost millions of Americans their decent paying jobs, since foreign labor is cheaper. The second will rip the jobs out from under even more Americans, and essentially give corporations more rights than local governments have to pass laws for the welfare of their citizens. The TPP says that, for example, environmental protection laws that interfere with corporate profits will no longer be allowed. It also allows slave labor. Don't believe me? Look it up. President Obama supports this. I repeat. He supports it.
ReplyDeleteSo his economic advisers can go fuck themselves and they can do it next to Bill Clinton's.
Perhaps you can support your assertions by referencing the supporting economic evidence? I am sure there must be some economists who support Bernie's economic plan?
DeleteI agree with you 100% the Clinton's are no different the bushes and fuc j enemies gryf I love this blog because of all the Palin bashing but get off Hillary's nuts dude...
DeleteWe have Bill Clinton to thank for NAFTA. If he gets his way we'll have Barack Obama to thank for the TPP. Two trade deals from hell.
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Unfortunately, I agree.
Which country is it that made China such a powerhouse? Oh, that's right...
DeleteWhich country is now trying to strategically cut China out of the deal while allowing it's greediest corporations to trash the laws of other sovereign countries for financial gain? Oh, that's right...
The TPP isn't about American workers or American jobs. Nothing ever is.
6:11 PM, add "Citizens United" into the mix snd you'll know why we're screwed.
DeleteApparently there's another GOP debate thing going on now...just flipped thru the channels but don't have the heart to tune in. Anyone else watching?
ReplyDeleteWhy? All they are doing is slinging mud at each other and lying about Hillary and Bernie and Obama. Been there, done that. Plus there's Trump having his own love fest with Mika and Joe on MSNBC...the formerly liberal channel.
DeleteDonald Trump is debating himself.
DeleteHe's a master debator.
Anderson Cooper was a complete fail on this town hall. All softball questions.
DeleteMSNBC is literally giving Trump an hour(?) long campaign ad.
Joeblow was asked if he would be VP for Trump and he wouldn't take it off the table.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2016/01/27/scarborough_wont_shut_door_on_considering_running_on_trump_ticket.html
How is this journalism?!
I have been watching Rachel only since their "right turn" but now I'm done with MSNBC completely.
I don't know how much more I can take of the media.
Meanwhile many other top economists back Senator Sanders proposals and reforms. For example:
ReplyDelete210 economists back Sanders' plan to raise the minimum wage to $15
Link: http://www.budget.senate.gov/democratic/public/index.cfm/2015/7/top-economists-are-backing-sen-bernie-sanders-on-establishing-a-15-an-hour-minimum-wage
170 economists and financial experts back Sanders' plan for Wall St. reform
Link: https://berniesanders.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/Wall-St-Letter-1.pdf
The Center for Economic Policy Research on Sanders' plan to reform Wall St. v. Clinton's ("Sanders FTT would almost certainly do more to change behavior on Wall Street than everything that Clinton has proposed taken together, by a rather large margin. Leaving out the FTT [financial transaction tax] in this comparison is sort of like evaluating the New England Patriots' Super Bowl prospects without discussing their quarterback."
Link: http://cepr.net/blogs/beat-the-press/hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders-and-cracking-down-on-wall-street
Robert Reich on Sanders' plan: "Bernie Sanders is giving a major speech on Wall Street today in which he commits to busting up the biggest banks and reinstating a the Glass-Steagall Act. Both of these steps are necessary to avoid another “too-big-to-fail” bailout, along with another crisis that robs millions of Americans of their jobs, homes, and savings. I still don’t understand why Hillary Clinton won’t take these steps. She wants to charge the biggest banks a bit more and oversee them more carefully. But her proposals would only invite more dilution and finagle. The only way to contain the Street’s excesses is with reforms so big, bold, and public they can’t be watered down – busting up the biggest banks and resurrecting Glass-Steagall."
Link: https://www.facebook.com/RBReich/posts/1130258226986772
Re: those backing his Federal minimum wage policy (I mean, who doesn't hope for that on the progressive side!! I'm certainly for it!!) --
DeleteHas Bernie gotten it passed yet in the Senate? Did it make it through the GOP House? Has it been made into law yet? If not, when will it happen?
So instead of showing us the "responsible arithmetic", they're just blanket attacking Bernie's entire presentation and expecting us to take their word for it because pedigree.
DeleteTo me, the evidence of their bias is that rather than help Bernie adjust his proposals by detailing where he's getting things wrong, they're just lobbing grenades and then running away. I guess they care enough about the party's image to tar Bernie, but not enough to actually spell out what should be adjusted.
Even Krugman only really says that Bernie's projections of economic growth aren't impossible, just unlikely. That's kind of a far cry from "fantasy economics" and sounds like adjustments could be made. ...IF their goals were to keep democratic economic proposals based in reality rather than merely smearing the candidate they don't like.
If these people want to help the party, then they need to jump in with details and specifics to bring expectations into a more realistic place, otherwise they are no different than the "former Obama advisers" that are saying Hillary should drop out because reasons.
@5:29, I can ask the same questions of Hillary. I see no difference between them being able to get anything through if the GOP maintains control.
Delete7:31 -Hillary is not currently serving as a Senator, nor has she been in Congress for 25 years straight.
DeleteAre these economists also vouching for the economics of Sanders Medicare-for-all and government paid public college?
DeleteSo why has a sitting Senator not advanced any bills, or even written ONE, to tweak the law we have now to make it better? Bernie appears to me to be all talk. Hillary has gotten thing done, and will do more. Bernie has had a quarter century to effect change, and done nothing.
DeleteBernie has also hinted that if he doesn't win the presidency, he is out of politics. I guess Bernie is not as committed as he should be.
DeleteWhatever, buncha Jew dudes (I'm a jew don't hate me!) sound off on some economic stuff against another Jew dude with big ideas and say he comes up empty.
ReplyDeleteI'd have to assume that most of this "panel" have a vested financial interest in a Hillary POTUS, because really, we're Jews and we love MONEY! Me included, I love Bernies ideas, but I'll maintain a much more healthy bottom line with the HRC in office than with Bernie. (He has to be the only Jew that would rather give money to OTHER people :-)
Hell, my IRA's and personal stock investments have grown during this BO regime; some have doubled, and I even have one IRA that has tripled in value. I love Bernie's idealism, but damn, money talks and HRC will be more of BO and really, we only live once, so "get the money", right?
I'd love to live in some sort of "Bernie world" where the weakest are afforded the same benefits as those who actually try hard in life and make smart decisions, but face it, that's never, ever going to happen.
I'll vote "more of the same" thank you very much Democratic Party, this Independent has done very well under you last 8 years. (then again, the 8 years of Bush II went pretty well for my family too, so who's to say WHAT even matters)?
Oy vey.
DeleteI think you are a fraud. Hell, I am not Jewish and your post offended the bejesus (pun intended) out of me.
DeleteHi RAM, are things a little slow over at Deadbart?
DeleteSociety has always valued - and needed - its Jewish radicals. Leave Bernie alone.
I have to make up my mind between Bernie and Hillary prior to the March 6 Caucus here in Maine. What I think Bernie has going for him is his ability to bring out the younger voters. Hillary is not bringing them out. And out they must come to win come November.
ReplyDeleteWith the young ones voting in record numbers, we have a shot at taking back the Senate.
There is also the investigation of Hillary from the Obama FBI and the Obama Justice Department. That is not a right wing conspiracy.
At this point, I want to caucus for the one who can win and possibly have coat tails for the down ballot races.
I am thinking that Bernie might be the one in this crazy year to do it. In any other year, I wouldn't give Bernie any shot at the nomination, let alone winning the general.
http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/voter-turnout-challenges-sanders-recipe-success
DeleteTurnout in NH was almost exactly 50,000 down on the last presidential year primary. That is definitely NOT bringing any voters out.
DeleteLike Trump, Bernie is bringing the noise.
I'm voting for the Democrat.
DeleteAren't there some states that don't permit college students to vote in the district their college is in? that won't help bring out the Bernie-followers in November.
DeleteActually, Caroll, Rachel Maddow reported last week on MSNBC that there are substantially LESS Democratic voters who turned out this year in Iowa and New Hampshire. So Bernie is not bringing out the voters en masse yet. We'll know more after Nevada and South Carolina.
ReplyDeleteYeah, all we have to do is make this big change
ReplyDeleteand this big sweeping change
and this big sweeping radical change
and ....
then we have the wonderful country that's currently being envisioned by all the same people who just spent seven years watching President Obama
trying to make small changes.
You thought America wasn't a racist country.
You were wrong.
And I'll bet you believe America isn't an anti-Semitic country, yeah...?
Its bad enough that rightwingnuts just eat up anything bad they hear about Hillary Clinton, believing stuff that is completely absurd.
ReplyDeleteBut when I see DEMOCRATS spreading crap about her, I feel the need to angrily point something out:
She's been accused of everything from mass murder, to selling secrets to the enemy, for TWENTY THREE FREAKING YEARS NOW...with never ONE SHRED of evidence of wrongdoing turned up, after malicious prosecutions and government witch hunts.
Is anyone REALLY so stupid, as to think that the NEWEST phony accusation will turn out differently?
COME ON, MAN...this is worse than sixty votes to overturn Obamacare type insanity!
They are always trying to discredit her by saying she is not trustworthy or she did something wrong... because they cannot attack her accomplishments, experience or qualifications.
DeleteThank you 8:44.
DeleteHillary Clinton has the accomplishments, experience and experience to be President. Yet somehow for some people she isn't "enough" an experience I've been dealing with as a woman all of my life.
Invariably, Bernie Sanders' supporters are angry and full of hate towards Clinton. Very suspect if you ask me.
DeleteI'll just let these Dkos links make my comment:
ReplyDeletehttp://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/2/12/1484450/-In-Fact-Argue-Experts-Sanders-Medicare-for-All-Numbers-Do-Add-Up
http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/2/16/1486165/-Paul-Krugman-No-We-Can-t-Not-Today-Not-For-Decades-To-Come-Vote-Hillary
President Sanders...An idea whose time has come!
Peace.
President Sanders is not a new idea.
Delete8:40 is right -- Sanders is NOT a new idea. Progressive-thinking people have wanted democratic socialist policies for a century or more. But from what I've seen, read and noted (from my vantage point north of the border) is that capitalism is SO ingrained in the American psyche that a not-for-profit healthcare system (the ONLY kind that will work for universal healthcare) is an impossibility. It's all very well for people to say "We've got to start somewhere", but if those same people actually care about the other important issues that Democrats support -- campaign finance reform, pro-choice, raising the minimum wage etc., then their best bet is to vote for someone who supports those issues AND has the depth and breadth of experience that Hillary has. Sanders, as well-intentioned as he appears to be, hasn't achieved very much in his 26 years in the Senate. IMHO, he's no match for the "socialist" (and probably dogwhistle anti-semitic) garbage he'll be pelted with by the GOP if he wins the nomination.
DeleteBe very careful what you wish for. Being pragmatic is often a virtue....
No hair pulling necessary. The real threat Democrats face is if Clinton is the nominee, Sanders decides to run as an Independent, thus destroying an overwhelming Democratic vote. If Trump is the R nominee, no problem, Clinton would win. But if it's Cruz, he could wind up in the White House, a total disaster for the nation.
ReplyDeleteHe has said repeatedly that he would not run as an Independent. I take him at his word.
Deletehttp://www.cbsnews.com/news/bernie-sanders-on-why-he-wont-run-as-in-independent/
I too do not think Sanders will run as an Independent if he doesn't win the primary, and for exactly the reasons you state. He knows how it will split the Dem vote and we can't afford that. Whoever wins the Dem primary has to be staunchly supported.
DeleteI'm not so worried about Ted Cruz. On what I think is still an off chance he'll win the primary, should that happen, his ego will swell out of control and his megalomania will be paraded for all to see. To win a general, to gain votes from Independents and undecideds, he would have to tack to the left, at least a little bit, and I'm pretty sure that will never happen.
My cousin is married to an economist and you might as well call them alchemist's or weathermen. They can't get it right, half of the time it's a guessing game so they are only right half of the time.
ReplyDeleteWhere are the economists calling out D. Trump? Ol' Donny thinks Mexico will pay for the wall... And, I don't see any economists calling out Paul Ryan on his horrible budget ideas!! Bernie's ideas may not have a solid foundation to start on but they are worth fighting for and that's what counts!!
Agree!
DeleteTry Google. I've read numerous articles about the major flaws in Ryan's budget.
DeleteTrump's plan for Mexico to pay for a wall doesn't fall in a category for an economist's analysis.
Future bulldykes look really stupid wearing pink dresses with their daddys even if they're a baby. JS
ReplyDeleteI think there may be a time for Bernie but don't think it is right now.At least Hillary will be a continuation of Obama and I think that is a good thing.Plus Hillary has a ton of experience in foreign affairs.We are still recovering from the Bush debacle and I fear Bernie is too much too soon.Let us get our legs squarely under us before we move farther down the road.I feel Hillary is the best choice for America.God forbid any of those republican posers grab the reigns of power.
ReplyDeleteOnce upon a time I believed radical positive economic change was both necessary and doable. I now believe it must be done as a series of baby steps toward the goal.
ReplyDeleteA president does not make law. The congress does. A radical left president isn't going to get much done in a far right to middle of the road congress. 4 more years of stagnation could kill this country.
I love Bernie's view of what should be. However, I don't believe he has the means to make it all happen. Not in my lifetime, and I'm a decade younger than he is.
I would like to know if any of those people currently, or in the past, have given to a clinton campaign. to me that sounds like a worked-up letter designed to favor a particular person - indirectly.
ReplyDeleteOT, but has anyone heard about HB396? It's the bill introduced by a KY Democrat that is tongue in cheek, but makes a great point about the right's efforts to eliminate women's health care, PP, and so on. Basically, a man must swear he's only going to use Viagra, etc within the confines of his marriage. I saw a post about it on Facebook earlier today. Sorry I don't have a link, but this is awesome!
ReplyDeleteLolz! You'll only hear crickets from G on something like that. He is a faux feminist if there ever was one.
DeleteThe problem with that bill is that so many seem to not be getting the joke, and taking it seriously. Naturally, the MSM are the worst offenders.
Delete8:28pm, check the next post, fool.
DeleteMegoon, do you know how to read timestamps?! Obviously not, bitch. All you ever do here is complain.
DeleteMegoon? Is that you teaching me the fine art of maturity? All i do is complain? Rich coming from someone who constantly whines about being censored.
DeleteAt least I sign my posts, pussy.
DeleteAs with John Lewis, Sherrod Brown, PP, Gloria Steinam, under the big Bernie bus they go!
ReplyDeleteHeck, Bernie is so awesome, he'll so totally convince America to grow the size of government by forty percent or more.
Yeah, that'll happen. Hello POTUS Trump!
Saying someone hasn't been to visit a baby isn't saying they're a bad parent. I think they're likely confused as to why he'd do the paperwork thing and not ask to come see. But these two are still being mature. There are no Johnstons so no drama.
ReplyDeleteThat was a very astute final sentence in your post 8:42pm...so true!
DeleteIt's against blog rules here to be critical of any Johnston. Gryphen, why did you allow these comments?
DeleteNo drama? The Palins aren't happy unless they are creating drama every messed day.
Delete1029pm, You sure do comment a lot for someone constantly crying censorship.
DeleteMature and Bristol do not belong in the same sentence.
DeleteBristol is the best mom of the best kids. Tripp has always shined every day of his life. There. Positive comment for the day.
ReplyDeleteSnark, right?
DeleteWTF are you talking about? Unless this is snark, it's off topic, totally untrue, and as absurd as $arah Palin running for President.
DeleteEffing idiot.
DeleteIf Hillary does win the nomination, I fear that she will no longer try to out-Bernie Bernie Sanders. Instead, she will pivot and try to out-Trump Donald Trump or out-Cruz Ted Cruz out-Rubio Marco Rubio. I never get the sense that she has her own vision, her own moral compass, her own unimpeachable values.
ReplyDeleteOh please. The woman has shared her vision with us for decades while you were voting GOP.
Deletewho do Bernie supporters seem to be as stupid as the average republican?
DeleteThe thing is, Bernie doesn't totally already suck, right out of the gate.
ReplyDeleteIn spite of all his good intentions, and many really good ideas, I agree that it's unrealistic for Bernie to push for such radical reforms with a Congress like we have now
ReplyDeleteFully 40% of our Congress believe in Bronze age mythology and fairy tales instead of science, logic and critical thinking and analysis when it comes to important decisions.
On top of that, we have a titanic national debt and as a nation we have to begin to chip away at that.
Free college and free health care are wonderful ideas, but we need to address both goals in small reasonable steps.
Personally I think we need as many trade schools as colleges, because many young people don't want or need college, they will be better served by learning to be electricians, carpenters, or mechanics or computer techs.
AJ Billings I came here to comment but you already wrote my opinion about Bernie Sanders.
DeleteI agree with you about trade schools. For the academically inclined magnet schools are also excellent such as Math and Science high schools.
Many of you have read about my two sons (18 and 24) who have very good jobs as electricians right out of high school.
DeleteIn the Skills USA national competition during their senior year of high school, the 24-year-old won 2nd place and the 18-year-old won first place in the nation in industrial motor control.
In both cases, my sons never had to look for a job. The employers came looking for them at their schools. The 24-year-old makes over $100,000 and is well on his way to a degree in electrical engineering (paid for by his employer). The 18-year-old just graduated high school in June and works for no such agency.
I have been a huge Paul Krugman fan for the last 15 years or so.But he is in the tank for Hillary.Recently almost al his articles in the NYTimes have been screeds against Bernie.His own loyal readers come out against his views in about a 90/10 ratio.Citing him as a neutral source is no endorsement to me.
ReplyDeleteBernie is being vetted. As he should be.
DeleteTeam HRC is just doing what it does best, lies and deceit.
DeleteHRC says, no we can't!
Try this side of the story for support for Bernie:
ReplyDeletehttp://www.blacklistednews.com/Economists_Say_that_Socialist_Presidential_Candidate_Bernie_Sanders_Can_Save_Free_Market_Capitalism/49031/0/38/38/Y/M.html
I agree with Paul Krugman.
ReplyDeleteBeaglemom
Yes, we all know that this is a pro Hillary blog, but For those that want to see both sides of the issue check out Robert Riech.org. Riech was Secretary of Labor during the previous Clinton administration and offers a different view.
ReplyDeletehttp://www.politicususa.com/2016/01/14/170-economists-bernie-sanders-plan-reform-wall-st-rein-greed.html
ReplyDeletefor Roger 6:23pm
ReplyDeleteThe FBI has a criminal investigation going on about Hillary Clinton. No other politician has that going on. It is not something Hillary can brush off to her supporters, as much as she'd like to. It's not a partisan smear campaign, my friend, but a bonified investigation.
I've been following the journalists fairly closely on this election. I've noticed lately that Bernie is being compared to Martin Luther King and to FDR. Both of those individuals were leaders at a time of great struggle in our country, and neither of them advocated for "baby steps" to help America get back on track.
ReplyDeleteI feel fortunate to have the opportunity to have a candidate out there that has this level of integrity, and this passion for fixing our country. I support Bernie Sanders wholeheartedly, and I am not a millennial!
One thing I like about Bernie is that he is not afraid to tackle Wall Street and go after billionaires who owe us money. Hillary only started promising she would do something about them after Bernie told us he would. Here is just one example of how Bernie wants to fund his ideas. The billionaire Mercer that has been bankrolling Ted Cruz allegedly owes $6.8 billion in taxes! Now that would build a lot of roads and bridges!
ReplyDeleteIf you want to go over the numbers in greater details for yourself, here is the link:
http://berniesanders.com/issues/how-bernie-pays-for-his-proposals/
amp-politics/why-bernies-health-care-plan-very-realistic-and-achieveable
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