Should domestic abusers who get convicted of minor domestic-violence charges get to keep their right to own guns just because their crimes were merely reckless, as opposed to premeditated? That's more or less the question the Supreme Court was considering in Voisine v. US, a somewhat obscure case that was languishing on the court's docket as one of the last cases decided of the term. In a 6-2 opinion written by Justice Elena Kagan, the high court answered that question with a muted "no."
The case challenges a 1996 amendment to the federal Gun Control Act, sponsored and named after the late New Jersey Sen. Frank Lautenberg (D), that barred people convicted of misdemeanor domestic-violence offenses from owning firearms. Violating the law carried a federal felony charge with a 10-year maximum sentence attached. The law was a triumph for women's advocates because it recognized that people guilty of domestic violence were rarely charged with felonies and banned from gun ownership, and that there was a documented relationship between domestic violence and gun homicides. The law was designed to keep guns out of the hands of those perps, even when they'd only been convicted of misdemeanors.
So according to the Supreme Court even if you only got drunk and punched your girlfriend in the face, while waving a gun around, without premeditation, you still must surrender your 2nd Amendment rights.
Oh that is not go to go over well at a certain compound by a dead lake.
Though in all fairness Track has not yet been convicted of attacking his now pregnant fiance and beating her like a stray dog, so perhaps he can still avoid having to give up the guns that were more precious to him than his own daughter.
However I think that if anybody were to ask the people around Track if he should keep his arsenal we would hear a resounding NO.
Well except for his mother of course, who believes that guns don't cause domestic violence, bitches who don't know their place cause domestic violence.
More oopsies for poor Track, sad.
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And he isn't remotely dangerous. He'd help anyone. Frequently helps his grandparents, like building things for them.
ReplyDeleteOh fuck off Palin worshiper. Police reports tell a different story for the first three losers from Mama Griz's womb. Any day Piper will have her own rap sheet.
DeleteThe temper was a longstanding problem. Hockey is a raw sport, but Mr. Palin pushed the limits and often got kicked out of games in Wasilla and at least once in Michigan... on the ice, he was an animal...
Delete“Track has a temper so sometimes you’d only see him half the game,” [longtime family friend Curt] Menard said. “Get there late and he’d already be out.”
You know it's bad when your own father says it's bad. If this weren't a privileged kid of parents with clout he would have faced the music a LONG time ago. A great many young people face far worse punishment for far less than what this out-of-control, substance-abusing, dangerous young man has gotten away with.
Fuck off Alicia, stop kissing palin ass! You don't know jack-shit! Trick-Track is nothing but a fuckin' loose cannon, drug and booze-fuelled loser couch slug! The "combat vet" fairy tale is a outright lie, concocted by his liar mother and her enablers! $arah pulled strings to get him off the hook for past misdeeds. She knew that she was being tapped as McCain's running mate; he would be an embarrassment to her and McCain if jail time was given. It would have blown the "hockey mom" image to hell! Her image and ambition were more important than him! "Stolen valour" is correct! He is a fuckin' insult to those who served their country with distinction and honour!!
DeleteLike building things for them.....Snort!
DeleteLike the time the Palin men built 'the fence'? The fence that blew down in the first wind? MmmHmm. Great builders!
"And he isn't remotely dangerous."
DeleteYes, Jordan, that is exactly what you said right after you called the police.
You big meanie you should have been arrested for hitting po' wittle Trackie babe!
"I observed the male had a visible injury to his right eye and the area around his eye," Kappler said. "His eyes were bloodshot and I detected a strong odor of alcohol on his breath and person. Upon contacting Palin, he was uncooperative, belligerent, and evasive with my initial line of questions."
http://www.adn.com/crime-justice/article/track-palin-arrested-domestic-violence-charges/2016/01/19/
I remember playing Lincoln Logs and Legos with my grandparents, oh what fun! But that stage passed pretty quickly, like when I hit five years old maybe? So Track "Builds Things" takes after his stepdaddy Todd and the immigration fence when Joe rented the house next door. Does he build adobe houses with his own dung beetles and poop?
DeleteI doubt the day will come when ANY Palin is held accountable by judges like the rest of us would be,
ReplyDeleteO/T, but worth reading! I found this comment on Salon, and I don't know who wrote it it but it is spot on!
ReplyDelete"So after the Bush Administration, Sarah Palin, racism, homophobia and sexism, irrational gun nuts, nihilism, dismissal of science, peddling of bogus economic theory, tantrum throwing, government shut downs, the Tea Party, extreme disrespect toward our sitting president, obstructionism, poor bashing, voter suppression, bathroom bills, conspiracy theories, rampant misinformation efforts, scandal-mongering, shameless Benghazi witch-hunts, general dip-shittery, those fake ass duck call guys and Ted Nugent...
...Donald Trump is somehow just a bridge too far?"
Valid point.
DeleteDamn right! Palin and Nugent are a disgrace and as non Christian as anyone can be.
DeleteOne day Track will explode and he might kill Jordan Loewe, his new baby and then himself. Could be why Britta left his ass in a hurry and didnt Track lose his visitation rights to his daughter? What? Did Track wave a gun and threatened Britta when they were married or after she left him?
ReplyDeleteYou can bet that it will happen again.
DeleteSo even IF he actually is convicted of something, how do you keep him form having a gun? There must be an arsenal at the compound, and you can bet it's all loaded and not locked up. Little war hero Track can get his hands on whatever he wants, whenever he wants it. I wonder if, when someone is shot, Mommy Dearest is finally culpable?
DeletePossession and use of a gun illegally would be another crime. The question is do we as society ignore bad behavior or acts turning a blind eye with an attitude of well they will do it anyway? Or do we take a stand supporting limits, laws to be abided and consequences for breaking societal rules and laws that exist to protect everyone?
DeleteSometimes parents are found culpable. In this case Obama was blamed for alleged PTSD and implied guilt as if Obama was all at fault for personal issues that escalated. Reality was a big story was spun that Bristol was sexually assaulted to cover up for drunk offspring brawling out of control language and violence at a party. IMO adults who lied are guilty of enabling behavior that escalated to beating a girlfriend, violence when drunk escalating to threatening death with a gun. LOL Obama had nothing to do with any of that. Nor parents and family turning a blind eye lying for them either.
I have some relatives, a family who are similar.
Everyone knows about Track and Jordan. They drink and drug and that is why they have friends. Track lives in a fantasy land and the drink and drugs do not help. Before he had to be hidden away he would talk to people and drink in public. Ask those people about what he yammers about.
DeleteIf I left town and my arsenal along with my son and family's weapons (with fighting drunks like they all know Track and Jordan are). I would have been arrested.
The police would have charged Todd and Sarah in some places, not Wasilla.
We know why they live in Wasilla and can never move.
Oh no, they are stuck. Yes the people of Alaska don't do anything. They say they don't like this family, yet they do nothing to even keep the community or children safe.
No one even cares about Trig and the poor kids at Bristol's house. She gave the drunks alcohol and sent them to drunk drive when the kept fighting.
Now those poor kids have the only type person who would associate with that family of enablers. The other brawl idiot that drinks, collects money from taxpayers for PTSD that he does not go to treatment for. He fits right in and to the Palins, that is a hero.
Rump said his sheep are lighting fires all over the west. It is his form of waterboarding. He cant waterboard now but when he rigs the election he can. And he will. So transparrot and disgusting to have such a weak little tiny bully running for usa president. Tasteless, Classless, hate monger sucks HUGE BIG GIGANTIC urbanus.
ReplyDeleteWhat is "transparrot"? Is it a type of bird that can use the bathroom of its choice at Target?
DeleteWhat is an urbanus?
DeleteIt's in the same category as the last word, "urbanus". A sad reflection on one result of the poor education system in parts of our nation.
DeleteYeah, I don't think "transparrot" can be blamed on autocorrect. It does win funniest solecism of the week, though.
DeleteIt is disgusting that the ignorant minority has been able to take over the USA.
DeleteWow, 5 replies to 3:22 and they're all from the grammar police.
DeleteProbably an ESL issue.
DeleteActually, English is my second language; I take issue with your ESL blame issue. Transparrot sounds more like something an American on pills wrote, not someone whose first language isn't English. There are so many Americans hooked on pills, most of the idiocy they constantly write on the comments boards is likely a result of that.
DeleteI agree with what you said 3:22.
DeleteIgnore the deep discussion about HOW you said it. It's no different than the ignorant children that laugh at my speech, not knowing I have CP.
Americans hooked on pills
DeleteI am glad you mention that. It may be behind the decline of America. It might be a yuuge effect on how Trump got where he is with his game to run for president. It may have everything to do with how Sarah Palin is able to reload and keep coming back from the dead.
It may be how Track's enablers can get him cleaned up to appear he is not drinking.
There is a pill for everything.
Britta did Track beat you up? How severely?
ReplyDeleteBritta is part of the problem. She will have blood on her hands one day, if she doesn't already. I have heard about Eagle's Nest or someplace. People need to help get the truth out there.
DeleteTrack is a mental and at times he thinks he is in Iraq fighting ISIS for US freedoms.
6:49am, it's not Britta's job to protect anyone else. Jordan is a grown woman.
DeleteUnfortunately, I have a feeling we'll see an increase in domestic violence cases pled to something else- simple assault, etc. Especially for those whose jobs depend on being able to carry a weapon- police, security.
ReplyDeleteAnd your point is? The two positions you named are those of trust. And I'll be darned if I can trust someone who abuses their partner -domestic or otherwise. Male or female.
DeleteThe first time it happens -and you are correct, it probably will happen - there should be such a stink raised that the next person won't stand a chance of having the charge altered, plea or not. Unless, of course, the charge is INCREASED in such cases as repeat offenders or the like.
NO violence from temper should be ignored. And I would go so far as to say child abusers - ALL types - should face felony charges as well.
The above photograph shows just how mature the two of them are and how dumb SHE is. If I so much as even raised my hand in anger - even if I caught myself before I swung - my girlfriend would be out of my life so fast she would be a blur. And rightly so.
It's about damned time things and people got serious concerning this crap!
It's about damned time things and people got serious concerning this crap!
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We all know he will get off, the Palins never take responsibility for their actions nor are they ever made responsible for their actions.
ReplyDeleteRemember the drunken brawl, in the end they managed to change the story that Bristol was the victim. I am sure Jordan will take the fall this time.
However someday it will all catch up with them, probable ending with someone dead.
Or a maimed crippled child. Children make the best collateral damage for people like Track and Jordan. They knew it was love b/c they share the FU.
DeleteShe looks like such a pleasant person, doesn't she? I mean, all my grandkids friends go around shooting people the bird. Man, if I had ever in my life done that, my mother would have had my hide. I guess in Wasilla, hating is more normal than getting along with people.
ReplyDeleteYou can see why her wealthy Missouri socialite mother and family are so ashamed of her.
DeleteYou saw how they all reach out to do something about these very relevant matters that effect both those involved and the public. Hiding in shame is some answer.
You know like socialites do to help abused women and babies that are caught in the middle of crazed killer parents.
Why is suicide never mentioned now? Was that always bogus? The police did not do what police do for someone who they believe threatened suicide.
So how is Track's domestic violence case going? Are they still trying to find ways to postpone it? Let the boy face his music.
ReplyDeleteHe's not a boy. He's a man with a chip on his shoulder.
DeleteSorry, 6:36, but I have to disagree with you. PHYSICALLY he may be a man, but he certainly is a boy as far as maturity is concerned! A little boy with, as you said, a chip on his shoulder. And that is far more dangerous than a man with one!
Delete$arah you selfish bitch. You aren't doing your first born any favors by constantly bailing him out of trouble. He needs to do some time, get help for his drug problem and then you need to kick his ass out. If he faces some actual consequences for his actions, maybe he'll get his act together.
ReplyDeleteBut you don't give a damn about what's best for him. It's always about what's best for you. You would rather support him (even though he is a danger to Trig) and hide him away and blame the president than admit that you are an epic failure as a mother.
I know you're reading this because you're so worried about what Gryphen posts next, so listen carefully: You absolutely disgust me!!
Sarah Palin is deftly afraid of Track.
DeleteI read that Jordan has a Restraining Order against her fetus's daddy. I also read that the woman beater is not only having conjugal visits with his victim, he's living with her.
ReplyDeleteSomeone may have put a Restraining Order together. If there was, isn't there a record of that?
DeleteI heard her family thinks she is lost. Like gone and not worth trying to save.
She is a partner with Track and the entire criminal family. She baby sat and who knows what else she does for the Palins. It is a very shady business.
Her family is now the only ones who could so anything and they are hiding. I heard they consider her done and to never return.
They are very public people and spend some time and energy with problems like Track and Jordan have. It is too bad they have given up on them for the baby's sake.
Dr. Amod Paranjpe and Tammy Hartz
http://laduenews.mycapture.com/mycapture/enlargePopup.asp?image=52664578&event=1833938&CategoryID=49387&pSlideshow=1
They are all over with their work like with the Saint Louis Crisis Nursery.
http://crisisnurserykids.org/
Read about the resources Tammy Hartz has available for her grandson.
Even if he doesn't get convicted can the authorities neuter the son of a bitch so he can't spread his seed around anymore? 2 little Track Palin's is 2 too many.
ReplyDeleteNeuter and spade the entire family. They are worthless.
DeleteBeat Jordan once shame on Track. Lock him up and take away his guns.
ReplyDeleteBeat Jordan twice shame on Jordan. She better learn to run and duck for cover.
"She better learn to run and duck for cover."
DeleteUnfortunately, statistically that probably won't happen. Far too many times the only way a woman gets away from her abuser is horizontally CARRIED away.
And he sits on our Supreme Court!
ReplyDeleteJustice Thomas Passionately Argues That Convicted Domestic Abusers Need Easier Access To Guns
The law prohibiting domestic abusers from possessing firearms wasn’t the question under discussion — instead, the question was how far that law reached over certain states’ differing domestic assault laws.
Justice Thomas, however, was very concerned in arguments about the broader law that domestic abusers at large can’t have guns — breaking 10 years of silence on the Court to complain at arguments in February.
“Give me another area where a misdemeanor violation suspends a constitutional right,” he asked, later suggesting that the particular domestic abusers in this case shouldn’t lose their ability to carry guns because they’ve never actually “use[d] a weapon against a family member.”
http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2016/06/27/3792912/thomas-guns-domestic-abuse/
Thomas is a disgrace.
DeleteTake away Track's guns
ReplyDeleteBRITTA'S AND JORDAN'S
LIVES MATTER
I didn't think he had been convicted. Hasn't his charge been moved to Veteran's court? I doubt you'll see a conviction and he will still have his guns.
ReplyDeleteIf Track wants to commit suicide then that's on Sarah for not getting him help. Sarah don't blame Obama when it happens.
ReplyDeleteNote: http://www.adn.com/alaska-news/2016/05/26/track-palin-weighs-anchorage-veterans-court-for-domestic-violence-charges/
ReplyDelete"Anchorage Veterans Court, one of the oldest such programs in the country, tries to get treatment for criminal defendants who are eligible for VA services they may not be using.
It relies on alternative sentencing plea agreements that emphasize behavioral health, substance use or other VA treatment programs.
The system requires criminal defendants plead guilty or no contest to at least one charge against them. They receive conventional court sentences if they don't complete their VA treatment but a lesser sentence if they do."
Dunno the impact of a "no contest" plea, but I would hope it's the same as a guilty plea to a misdemeanor...in which case, Track LOSES HIS GUNS.
Enter a favorable military tribunal which will more likely find him "not guilty".
ReplyDeleteSadly he'll probably give himself a separate bite of the apple in the near future.
What will Track do without his guns? He will be caught with some of the guns laying around in the 'dead lake' compound. Sarah Palin will blame the guy who just recently received a standing ovation from the Canadian parliament. It must really piss her off that President Obama is received so well in other countries.
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