Thursday, May 10, 2012

Well this is awkward! Update!

One of my main irritations when discussing sensitive moral issues of today is when somebody starts quoting Biblical references at me and simply makes the argument that I cannot argue with them because the Bible is the inerrant word of God.  Essentially at that point there is no way to make my case as they are supremely confident of their "facts" since they believe the book they came from is beyond reproach.

In this way many anti-science Christians have been able to shoehorn Intelligent Design into science classrooms, homophobic ministers have created an atmosphere of hate toward gays, and people have been able to essentially wipe out whole civilizations based on the idea that God created this world for his children.  And ONLY his children.

However the facts are simply not there to back up much of ANYTHING claimed in the pages of the Bible, including this most famous case of the Jewish Exodus from Egypt.

Here is more:

Archeologists have proven that slaves did not build the pyramids and that there is no evidence of any jew in Egypt until about 2000 years after the great pyramid was built. The jews that did settle were a garrison of soldiers from the Persian Empire, stationed on Elephantine, an island in the Nile. The Elephantine garrison assisted Egypt in military campaigns against the nubians and themselves owned Egyptian slaves.

 So was there a mass Exodus of Jewish slaves out of Egypt? There is no record of any such thing ever happening, and the simple reason is that there is no time in which it could have happened. No Egyptian record contains a single reference to anything in Exodus; and by the time there were enough Jews living in Egypt to constitute an Exodus, the time of the pyramids was long over. And Pharaoh Ramesses can be let off the hook as well: With apologies to Yul Brynner, no documentary or archaeological evidence links any of the Pharaohs bearing this name with plagues or Jewish slaves or edicts to kill babies. Indeed, the earliest, Ramesses I, wasn't even born until more than a thousand years after the Great Pyramid was completed. His grandson, the great Ramesses II, lived even later. 

The pseudohistory of ancient Egypt is disrespectful to both Jews and Egyptians. It depicts the Jews as helpless slaves whose only contribution was sweat and broken backs, when in fact the earliest Jewish immigrants were respected allies to the Pharaoh and provided Egypt with a valuable service of both trade and defense. The pseudohistory also takes away from the Egyptians their due credit for construction of humanity's greatest architectural achievement, and portrays them as evil, bloodthirsty slavemasters. Pretty much every culture in the world at that period in history included slavery and conflict, and the Egyptians probably weren't any better or worse than most peoples.

I know what you are thinking, "Gryphen why are you bringing all of this up now?"

I'll tell you why.  Yesterday the President made history by endorsing gay marriage.  Immediately following that he was attacked by the Religious Right and the Republicans.

And from where do they get their arsenal to attack the President over his endorsement? From the Bible of course.  Though the Bible does not explicitly mention same sex marriage, many believe it does condemn homosexuality as "an abomination, a detestable sin," and that it also describes marriage as "between a man and a woman."

However if this book is so horribly wrong in its historic references, and may in fact be full of outright lies designed to  create sympathy for its followers, then WHY would we allow anything it says to impact the decisions that we make today?

Look progress is being made and, much like the President, WE are evolving. Let's not allow ourselves to be held back any longer by the constraints of an ancient faith, based on a book of fallacies.

In the year 2012 I just don't think that is too much to ask.

Update: As has been pointed out it is very hard to find evidence to support the fact that the Egyptians did NOT have Hebrew slaves.

Of course that is kind of the point. You don't have to prove something did NOT happen, you have to prove something DID happen. And THAT proof shows up in only one place.

The Old Testament.

Here is more:


In addition, archaeological excavations do not support the Biblical Exodus story. Modern archaeological techniques are able to detect evidence of not only permanent settlements, but also of habitations of hunter-gatherers and pastoral nomads all over the world as far back as the third millennium B.C. However, there are no finds of a unique religious community living in a distinct area of the eastern delta of the Nile River (“Land of Goshen”) as described in Genesis. In addition, repeated excavations of areas corresponding to Kadesh-Barnea, where the Biblical Israelites lived for thirty-eight of their forty-eight years of wanderings, have revealed no evidence of any encampments. 
Finkelstein and Silberman point out that, although the sites mentioned in the Exodus story are real, archaeological excavations indicate that they were unoccupied when the Biblical Exodus would have taken place. For example, the Bible refers to messengers sent by Moses from Kadesh-Barnea to the king of Edom asking him to allow the Hebrews to pass through his land. However, the nation of Edom did not come into existence until the 7th century B.C. 9 Melvin Konner, anthropologist and teacher of Jewish studies at Emory University, sums it up this way in his recent book Unsettled, An Anthropology of the Jews: “Except for the Torah text, there is no decisive proof that the Hebrews were slaves in Egypt, that they rebelled and walked away from the place, or that a leader such as Moses arose and took that people into the desert.” 10 Futhermore, what evidence we do have, as discussed above, contradicts the Biblical account. How, then, did this fable come to be written? 

Finkelstein and Silberman present the plausible thesis that the Deuteronomistic version of the Exodus, which brings together and embellishes the chronicles in the first four books of the Torah, was written during the 7th century B.C. The intent of the story was to rally the inhabitants of Judah against Egypt, which had become its most powerful enemy as Assyrian hegemony waned. Finkelstein and Silberman believe that the evil pharaoh in the Exodus story was actually modeled after the domineering Psamethicus I, who reigned from 664 to 610 B.C., approximately during the time that the Deuteronomistic version was written. This account was “powerful propaganda” that created “an epic saga to express the power and passion of a resurgent Judah’s dreams” in order “to gird the nation for the great national struggle that lay ahead.” In fact, the Egypt described in the Deuteronomistic account is “uncannily similar in its geographical details to that of Psamethicus.” 11 

According to Redford, the memories of the Canaanite Hyskos ruling Egypt and subsequently being driven out (though not enslaved and not Hebrew) most likely formed the basis for the Exodus story. 12 The sequence of plagues in the Exodus may be related to the ancient Egyptian belief that the inability to worship multiple gods causes illness. The Amarna tablets indicate that Akhnaten imposed monotheism on polytheistic Egypt during his reign between 1372 and 1354 B.C., allegedly causing the populace to suffer a variety of maladies, which abated with the restoration of polytheism by Akhnaten’s successor. 13 14 Jonathan Kirsh notes that the basket-in-the-bullrushes infant-Moses story is clearly a “cut-and-paste” plagiarism copied almost verbatim from a Mesopotamian text. 15 In the words of Daniel Lazare, the stories of infant Moses, the plagues, and final exodus are “unconnected folktales,” linked together “like pearls on a string.” 16 What we have, according to David Denby, is a “self-confirming, self-glorifying myth of origins,” with Moses as “the hero of the greatest campfire story ever told.” 17

Of course my point in writing this post was NOT to destroy anbody's faith, but only to demonstrate how ridiculous it is to formulate your view of the world, and your litmus test for the acceptance of societal changes moving forward, on a book that is clearly based on ancient fables.

I have NO problem with people worshiping however they see fit, but I DO have a problem when their version of reality invades the policy decisions that go into making laws, deciding what to teach our young people, and determining who can, and cannot, get married.

52 comments:

  1. Gryphen I have admired your blog for a long time, but the lame 'straw-man' argument you just published has so many errors it's hard to tote them all up:

    1. Exodus never mentions 'pyramids'.
    2. Exodus never said 'Jews' were slaves, it says 'Hebrews' were. There is a difference.
    3. Exodus never mentions'Ramesses', only 'Pharaoh'.
    4. Exodus never depicts the Jews as 'helpless slaves whose only contribution was sweat'. It depicts Joseph as nearly prime minister.
    5. Exodus does not only 'portray them as evil, bloodthirsty slavemasters'. It claims that at a time of famine they shared food with poorer neighbors.

    If you would like a rational explanation of the bible versus real archeology, read Neil Silberman or Israel Finkelstein.

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    1. Anonymous6:40 AM

      Does it give an explanation of why Psalm 104 is a rip-off of Akhenaten's Hymn To The Sun (written 100's or 1000's of years earlier)?

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    2. No. Because it is a rip-off of Akhenaten's Hymn To The Sun.

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    3. Gasman7:49 AM

      You complain of Gryphen's "straw man argument" while you haul out your own. In grand sub-intellectual tradition, you simply ignore the truths you find inconvenient and snipe about the biblical inaccuracy of the nomenclature.

      The article specifically notes that there is ZERO archeological evidence of ANY large scale populations living in biblical Goshen, by Jews, Hebrews, Amish, or anybody else. It doesn't matter by what name they are referred to, the unassailable fact is that there was NO such population by any people, by any name living in Egypt - EVER. Likewise, there is ZERO archeological evidence for a mass migration in the Sinai desert. There is no possible way to gloss over those bits of demonstrable, verifiable fact. The biblical account is dead wrong as a book of history. That point is beyond debate.

      Cite ANYWHERE in the article where it says "THE BIBLE SAYS SO" for your enumerated complaints. I think that it is very clear that traditional Jewish and Christian teachings absolutely DO tout those 5 points and teach them as historical fact, regardless of their biblical untenability.

      In your particularly odd bit of sophistry, you accuse the author of the article of practicing EXACTLY what Jews and Christians have been doing for centuries, playing fast and loose with the facts. Yet another straw man argument on your part. I’ve got news for you: NOTHING in the bible is historically accurate. It’s ALL mythology and midrash. It’s ALL propaganda designed to legitimize and inflate the status of the Jews and of Israel as a nation state. The Christians have simply grafted themselves into that mythology.

      So, criticizing Gryphen or the author for not accurately citing a work that itself is inherently INACCURATE is the height of ludimocrosity.

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  2. Anonymous3:25 AM

    Also too and such as, furthermore and more too, if they want to adhere to the great book, then they better accept the premise that women can be stoned for wearing two different types of cloth. I am sick and tired of this pick and choose bullshit especially when they use it as the basis of discrimination. They want to live in a commune with others and make up silly rules and live by them? Fine. Then they can do that in their own little realms as long as it isn't infringing on those who don't adhere to their silly little rules. And if gays being married threatens their marriages, then someone isn't being "straight" you know what I mean?

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  3. Anonymous3:25 AM

    Here here!
    It's a book. A fairy tale.Written by humans, some of whom were likely gay.
    Deal with it. Read it. But don't make policy based on it for dogs sake!Live by the ideals if they speak to you, but don't make me live by them.

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  4. Anonymous3:51 AM

    Fascinating!
    Thanks for this, but can you give attribution? I would like to know where you read this and share it with others.

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  5. Anonymous4:01 AM

    Good post. I agree with you.

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  6. angela4:02 AM

    You see Gryphen, where you made your first mistake is in thinking that
    the Religious Wrong would care about anything that might be reasonable or cognitively disputed. You know in their world Jesus was a republican who hated the poor and helpless and thought they should just borrow money from their parents to start a business.

    I have to say I find their insanity about President Obama amusing. It used to piss me off---now I look at them as an anthropologist might look at a dying species who walk upright but fling poo at everyone who doesn't look and believe like them. And as they will probably be extinct in the near future as they are regressive and cannot adapt--we should probably find some sort of reserve for them for their own protection.

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    1. Sharon6:34 AM

      Brilliant!!!!!!!

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    2. Smirnonn6:48 AM

      Excellent post!! :)

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  7. I’ve always been a little skeptical of the wandering in the desert and eating manna dropped from the sky, unless there really was alien involvement.

    Those are remarkable stories, but maybe just stories. Stories with a grain of truth, but embellished by each storyteller.

    The Jews have always been merchants; I’m inclined to believe that was their role with the Pharaohs and everyday Egyptians. A few may have become slaves over business tiffs, but it wouldn’t constitute a labor force.

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    1. Anonymous6:48 AM

      "Those are remarkable stories, but maybe just stories. Stories with a grain of truth, but embellished by each storyteller."

      Bingo. Compare to the rumors of today, traveling and evolving at lightning speed.

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  8. Anonymous4:22 AM

    Interesting. I have never heard this before. It's sad to know that EVERYTHING -- every part of my childhood was based on some biblical lie.

    I was bullied within my own family and isolated a lot outside of it because I was "smart" and questioned everything. In spite of all my Xtian suffering, I recall the moment I decided to love something about everything and everybody (around 18-19 years old). It definitely wasn't because my Xtian upbringing was kicking in. (The required attendance to Xtian church service while I was in the military snuffed most of that out.) It was based on the fact that I realized it is easier to treat everyone the same than to look at them as competition that needed to be conquered and destroyed...you know, like most of the biblical Xtian stories teach us.

    Today, my husband and I do not take my children to church mostly because we can't celebrate the violence and deceit the Xtian faith has used to leave a trail of oppression and destruction worldwide. The parables are, indeed, packed with life lessons so there are some great takeaways from the book. Other than that, to me, it still reigns as the best collection of fiction novels of our time.

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    1. Anonymous6:46 AM

      Someone who truly loves and respects his/her fellow human without being commanded by a book that has perpetuated more bloodshed and suffering than any other entity in human history- isn't that the result "God" wanted all along?

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    2. Anonymous7:38 AM

      We're in the same boat. I've never heard this before, but it makes total sense. And I wasted over 40 years thinking the bible was inspired of God. I finally realized all that is expected of me as a human being is to treat others with respect and dignity and not worry about what others do or do not do. This transition has been the most important of my life. I feel like my knowledge of the world has expanded exponentially because of it. It is so much more fulfilling to go through life without being bound by the chains of judgment propagated by bible. It's a freedom unlike any other.

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  9. WakeUpAmerica4:23 AM

    Gryphen, I think you might find the book The Gold of Exodus quite interesting. It's the true account of a well-known treasure hunter and what he discovered in his quest to find the gold that was supposed to be buried at the foot of the mountain where Moses went to talk to God. The satellite images of ancient trails on the earth are rather fascinating.

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  10. WakeUpAmerica4:27 AM

    I just went to read more of the article and discovered you took the information from an unsourced article on Yahoo! Answers. WTF?

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  11. Rover4:28 AM

    If their argument is that it's a bibically based objection than their point is moot. In a government in which we conduct ourselves as religion neutral, no religious dogma should be given credence in lawmaking whether it is christian, Islamic or Hindu or whatever.

    These cardboard christians who conveniently forget Christ's words about treating one another with love are free to discriminate against God's children in their own churches. They are not free to impose their religion on the rest of us.

    We just went through this mess in my state. Catholic Charities refused to place kids in foster families with gay or single people. The state said "no you can't do that'. Catholic Charities began stomping their feet and throwing a hissy about how their religious freedom was being messed with. Do you believe that??? These dumbasses think they have some religious right to my tax dollars and your tax dollars based upon their "freedom" to discriminate.

    Catholic Charities is free to exclude anyone they choose, they just can't collect tax dollars doing so from the State of IL. Gay people pay taxes too and they have a right to equal protections under the law. That includes not having their tax dollars pay for some tax exempt religious front group to get rich while discriminating against other americans.

    These Neandrathals are free to move elsewhere with their desire to make this country a theocracy.

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  12. Read "The Bible Unearthed"

    by Israel Finkelstein and Neil Asher Silberman

    There is very little archeological evidence for much of what the bible says.

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  13. Anonymous4:33 AM

    Editorial point - your argument would carry more weight if the book of Exodus had actually said that the Jewish slaves built the pyramids or that the Pharoah in question was named Ramesses.

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    1. Gasman10:26 AM

      Why? Do you dispute that that is PRECISELY what most Jews and Christians have been taught, and in fact believe? Why aren't you bitching to the Jews and Christians for engaging in beliefs that cannot be sustained by the bible?

      Jesus Christ! Go rent The Ten Commandments and then tell me that it's Gryphen that has started these bullshit notions.

      Cite anywhere in the original post where the author states "THE BIBLE SAYS..." any of these things.

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  14. The Bible does NOT say that the Jews were involved with construction of the Pyramids. They put that in the movie to make it more picturesque.

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    1. Gasman10:27 AM

      And yet, the movie did not invent that notion and indeed, generations of Jews and Christians have grown up believing that nonsense as historical truth.

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  15. Anonymous4:49 AM

    Josh D. Scheinert wrote on Huffington Post:

    Americans will be presented with two competing visions for the future of their nation.

    On one side stands a man guided by religious tradition not fit for this time, one that embraces difference and inequality, one that provides a cover for hatred and bigotry. On the other side stands a man who today, in the face of resistance and an uncertain road ahead, boldly proclaimed that if all men and women are created as equals, they shall also live and love as equals.

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  16. Anonymous5:12 AM

    My favorite passage to use that usually renders any bible thumper speechless is where God ordered Saul to murder all of the Amalekites and to make sure that he also killed all of the babies and children. And after Saul murdered the entire population, God was angry with him because he did not kill all of the animals too. So as a moral and just person I can not worship a God that would order the murder of babies and children.

    The looks I get from that one are priceless.

    Or I'll say why would a good and just God require a blood sacrifice just to be able to say I forgive you. Wouldn't a good and just God just forgive you?

    Or what did Jesus actually sacrifice? A shitty life on earth to go home to heaven?

    Or if I know them really well I can always find something in their life that directly contradicts the bible.

    I believe in a form of God but not the God of the bible.

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  17. The Old Testament is simply Jewish Mythology. You will see similar themes and stories all through other ancient religions' mythology.

    The New Testament is Christian Mythology, based partially on fact. Christ was a folk hero, much like Paul Bunyon. I believe there were holy men in that era; but accounts of their lives have been greatly inflated.

    (Cripes, we see it all the time lately with the anointing of St. Ronald of Reagan.)

    Funny that Meh Romney talks about marriage between "one man and one woman" when he comes from a religion and culture that promoted polygamy. Just like in the Old Testament.

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  18. The really amazing thing is that so many Christians are going crazy over the supposed takeover by Sharia law. Yet they have no problem imposing their religion on everybody else.

    And a lot of Sharia law sounds a lot like the things that the Bible fundies want.

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    1. Anonymous11:25 AM

      Sharia law is Old Testament (Mosaic) law. Jews and Arabs are both decedents of Abraham.

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  19. betsy s6:19 AM

    What shall we do about Passover?

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  20. A better source for this information would be a 1999 article in the Israeli magazine Ha'aretz written by archaeologist Ze'ev Herzog. It caused quite an uproar when it was published.

    "Deconstructing the Walls of Jericho"

    http://www.historykb.com/Uwe/Forum.aspx/archaeology/3286/Deconstructing-the-Walls-of-Jericho

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    1. The article is fascinating, but the comments even more so. Thanks for posting this. I will have to research further.

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  21. Anonymous6:31 AM

    Actually, the bible doesn't say that marriage is between a man and a woman; in the Bible, marriage is between a man and his many wives, plus the concubines he rapes on the side.

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  22. Randall6:38 AM

    Most people have never read the Bible.
    Most Christians have never read the Bible.
    ...Bible study doesn't count - I mean start reading at In the beginning... and read straight through to "...the grace of Jesus Christ our Lord be with you, Amen."

    The Jews were supposedly slaves in Egypt and it was bad, bad, bad. It's very bad to be a slave. Bad, bad.

    So they escaped and wandered around for forty years until they reached Canaan and what's the first fucking thing they do?

    ...they enslave the people who are living there.

    They attack towns and kill every man, woman and child

    ...all with God's blessing.

    New Testament? Jesus' views on slavery? Luke 12:47 "And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes."

    I read the Bible
    ...and that's why I walked away from those religions. (Judaism and Christianity)

    Not only is the Bible full of lies
    ...it's filled with sanctimonious hate as well.

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  23. Anonymous6:38 AM

    If there is a heaven and I sure have no idea if there is...they may be surprised to find out that Jesus might be gay....
    He was a man that lived 2000 yrs ago...he was unmarried at age 33 ( according to the bible) during a period of history where people married very young.
    He only hung out with his mother and 12 guys.
    Well and then there was Mary Magadeline or was he a she? My personal opinion is that MaryMag was a cross dressing man

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  24. Randall7:15 AM

    And Willard the Mormon...

    I have also read the Book of Mormon, as well as all of the Doctrine and Covenants (including the addendums)and that religion is nuts!

    Who's going to vote for a guy that thinks GOD came from the planet Kolob? (Teabagging nutjobs? yes.)

    Mitt (who believes he's wearing magic underwear - I kid you not) said yesterday that marriage is between "one man and one woman"

    ...then why was your grand-daddy born in Mexico, Mitt? Oh, that's right: he fled to Mexico because he was a polygamist.

    Sheesh!

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  25. Rover7:16 AM

    This view assumes the bible is the word of god. Since no one living today was there when it happened it can be true or it can be utter bullshit. I call it bullshit.

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  26. Anonymous7:45 AM

    The Bible also advocates murdering your own first born babies as a sacrifice to God.

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    1. Gasman10:57 AM

      See Genesis 22: 1-18. This is the story of Abraham, on command from God, binding his firstborn son Isaac in order to offer him as a sacrifice. The murder is narrowly avoided by the miraculous presence of “a ram, caught in a thicket by its horns.”

      A poignant allegorical riff on that story can be found in Wilfred Owen’s poem “The Parable of the Young Man and the Old” which was movingly set to music by composer Benjamin Britten in his stirring anti-war epic War Requiem. In it, Owens likens Abraham’s willingness to murder his firstborn son to the bloodlust of Europe in WW I.

      The Parable of the Young Man and the Old, by Wilfred Owen.

      "So Abram rose, and clave the wood, and went,
      And took the fire with him, and a knife.
      And as they sojourned, both of them together,
      Isaac the first-born spake, and said, My Father,
      Behold the preparations, fire and iron,
      But where the lamb for this burnt-offering?
      Then Abram bound the youth with belts and straps,
      And builded parapets the trenches there,
      And stretched forth the knife to slay his son.
      When lo! an angel called him out of heaven,
      Saying, Lay not thy hand upon the lad,
      Neither do anything to him. Behold,
      A ram, caught in a thicket by its horns;
      Offer the Ram of Pride instead of him.
      But the old man would not so, but slew his son,
      And half the seed of Europe, one by one."

      Wilfred Owen served as a 2nd Lt. in the British Army even while he penned some of the most ardently anti-war poetry ever written. His stark and brutal depictions of war disabuse the reader of any notion of patriotism or glory for one’s God or king. Owen makes it abundantly clear that war is nothing more than killing, brutality, and suffering.

      Sadly, Owen died one week before the end of the war. Britten brilliantly interpolated Owen’s stirring anti-war poetry within the Catholic Mass for the Dead in a setting for orchestra, chamber orchestra, full chorus, boy choir, and harmonium. It is an amazingly emotionally draining work that is capable of turning hawks into doves, as are Owen’s poems.

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  27. Anonymous8:06 AM

    Thank you, Mr. President! But This is Going to Get Flat Earth Ugly!

    In a single moment the President has made history by endorsing same sex marriage and simultaneously became an instant target by the extreme religious parasites bent on “Reclaiming America”. There is a large religious sect in America that harbors political Christians under its umbrella known as Dominionism. Dominionist Christians believe in such an archaic scripture-twisted version that some would argue the earth is flat; that women are to be subjugated to men; Jesus wants us to start a Holy War with all of Islam; and they think that “In God We Trust” has been our nation’s motto since 1776. These are the religious extremists who infested the Republican Party and usurped conservative politics in America over the past two decades, and with this unprecedented presidential announcement, they are now apoplectic.

    Nationally, Americans support the President’s position of marriage equality by a growing majority just since 2004 showing that the numbers have flipped. That trend will continue to grow as those in their 20s and 30s mature and vote, and the tide of baby-boomers swells, dominating the roll of the “older voting population” – neutralizing an outdated entrenched ideological viewpoint of a generation that is dwindling.

    The outcries are building as I write this within moments after the President’s words were broadcast.

    http://www.politicususa.com/thank-you-mr-president-but-this-is-going-to-get-flat-earth-ugly.html

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  28. Anonymous8:41 AM

    Um, archaeologists still debate a lot of the evidence uncovered in excavations in Egypt. The link I give below is from a website on archaeological evidence of Biblical events. I chose this article because there are lots of citations to specific excavation reports by respected scholars. There are two main cottage industries in Middle Eastern archaeology: debunking the Bible, and proving the Bible literally true. Then there are the archaeologists who are trying not to entertain any preconceived notions about what they are finding. Keep an open mind and check this out: http://www.biblearchaeology.org/post/2008/09/Israel-in-Egypt.aspx#Article

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  29. I agree that most Christians have not read the Bible. They seem to only regurgitate what they are spoon-fed from the pulpit.

    At different points in my life, I have read the Bible from beginning to end. It is one of the main reasons I could not continue to make myself believe in it.

    I have been able to point out to people who are pro-life for religious reasons, that God is NOT pro-life. In Numbers of the Old Testament, he instructs Moses on how to force a woman to have an abortion if her husband thinks she has been unfaithful.

    God gives abortion recipe to Moses.

    This is suppose to only work if the woman was unfaithful. But I'm assuming that the husband was probably having sex with his wife. And if that was the case and she was pregnant by him, but he wanted to punish her for some reason, then herbs used to cause an abortion,(bitter waters) would cause a abortion no matter who she was pregnant by.

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  30. I might add that the word Pharaoh has Hebrew roots, roughly meaning the king's house.

    The Egyptians called their land Kehmet. There was the black land (fertile from the Nile's flooding) and the red land, barren desert. They used to bury their dead in the desert and when they noticed the bodies were preserved, eventually developed ways to do the natural work of the desert through mummification.

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  31. Anonymous10:00 AM

    Aren't we missing a huge chunk of Egyptian history due to the destruction of the Library of Alexandria?

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  32. On the contrary: When someone starts quoting the bible to me during an argument, I consider it an automatic victory. A successful argument needs to be built upon logical deductions - the bible does not provide a foundation for logical deduction - it just makes dubious assertions. No thinking required... which is why would-be dictators like to use the bible to control people, and also why ignorant people believe it... no thinking required.

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  33. Beldar Cabo Wabo Conehead2:06 PM

    Well, Mister Fancy Pants Alaska Liberal Blogger, you have really crossed the line this time! You do NOT blaspheme on the internets and get away with it! Be advised that I have just sent an official telegram to Mr. Phineas W. Blogermann, CEO of Blogermann Steam & Electric Amalgamated Enterprises, which owns and operates blogspot.com, to IMMEDIATELY suspend your blogging license under the 'rude and provocative language" clause of your employment agreement. Did you REALLY think you could express any thought that comes to your mind without consequences??

    As to your hateful anti-biblarian rhetoric, I will respond with the most powerful language ever written by a major diety: the Bible!

    First, it is written:

    "For whosoever shall redeemeth and exclaim forth, as the son of the son of the son of the son of that father most exalted, eternal grace and forgiveness with righteous transgressions and severed foreskins, to kneel penitent and humble before souls of fire and tears and the smoldering embers of tortured denizens of Hell, yea, forsake thee in the now and for all time."
    Equestrians 20:01

    Yeah, the Truth hurts, doesn't it, buddy boy! That's the Creator of the Universe talking DIRECTLY to YOU in language you can understand! SO LISTEN UP!!

    And if that doesnt convince you, there's this:
    "Bear not witness to avenge the darkness foreshadowing temperence of spirit and worship in prayer, contemplation and silent tribute to judgement and repentance of souls beyond, before and after."
    Crenulations 18:12

    Even a known heathen like you, Gryphen (if that's really your name, which I doubt) will have no difficulty understanding what the good, loving and vengeful lord is telling us here.

    And finally:
    "Don't wanna wait 'til tomorrow
    Why put it off another day?
    One by one, little problems
    Build up and stand in our way, oh
    One step ahead, one step behind it
    Now ya gotta run to get even
    Make future plans, I'll dream about yesterday, hey
    Come on turn, turn this thing around."
    S. Hagar
    (not currently in the KJV Bible, but under serious consideration to appear in the forthcoming EVH Guitar God Bible)

    Don't say you werent warned! May All Mighty Zeus forgive you!

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    1. Anita Winecooler6:21 PM

      I just snorted soda through my nostrils!
      Love your posts!!!

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  34. onething5:47 PM

    Gryphen,

    Just because you don't like Intelligent Design is no reason to call it nonscientific. Of the three, it is the most scientific. Darwinians constantly engage in loosely scientifically based conjecture and unproven suppositions, whereas Intelligent Design talks facts and science. I have read all the three types of books, and it is my impression that Intelligent Design is by far the most science based and least faith based.

    I do not respect you for pretending that isn't so, or for (actually most likely) never giving the matter any real investigation but just believing the spokespersons for your chosen point of view.

    As for the stuff in Exodus, I am aware that there is no archeological evidence for a mass exodus, but I do not understand why they speak of the pyramids in this article. Who said the Jews worked on the pyramids? Even if they were slaves in Egypt, the Bible never states they were building pyramids.

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    1. Gasman11:06 AM

      Intelligent design is pure bullshit that has been thoroughly debunked. It is NOT science at all, even though its adherents desperately try to graft a VERY thin veneer of scientific nomenclature atop this festering pile of shit.

      Intelligent design is premised upon a supposition that cannot be questioned; that it is immutable fact that a creator god of some type exists. EVERYTHING else is filtered through that lens. Any system of belief which presupposes ANYTHING cannot claim the mantle of science. Science is based upon demonstrable, verifiable evidence, not immutable supposition.

      You may find intelligent design compelling, but that does not make it science and it doesn't mean that it is necessarily other than sub-intellectual bullshit.

      You really don't have the slightest idea what science is.

      I suggest supplementing your reading on the subjects of science, Darwinian evolution, and intelligent design with nearly any writings on those subjects by the late Stephen Jay Gould. He dismantled the ID nonsense multiple times.

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  35. Anita Winecooler6:09 PM

    Great post, I agree, and found it rather fascinating, and it makes sense.

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