McConchie, of the AUL, told the Guardian the group had drafted a model “Dignified Final Disposition Act” and was tweaking it in response to the clandestine videos. “We’re working with legislators. There’s a lot of interest.”
The proposed law would mandate that fetal remains be cremated or buried. If cremated, they would have to be cremated separately from medical waste and a county medical examiner would have to authorise the cremation.
The act would also require fetal death certificates for “each fetal death after delivery, miscarriage or abortion”. A stillborn child would need a state-issued “certificate of birth resulting in stillbirth”.
The AUL has helped pro-life legislators restrict abortion availability in many states in what has been dubbed a “stealth war” on abortion.
If you guessed this is in response to those doctored Planned Parenthood videos give yourself a gold star. (By the way according to this article there are about a dozen more of those on the way.)
Can you imagine being a young woman who had a miscarriage early in their first trimester who then had to fill out paperwork to obtain a death certificate for something the size of your thumbnail?
And how many women have miscarriages and never even know it? Would they be breaking this new law if they were simply ignorant of the fact that they needed this paperwork?
I have heard of draconian laws before, but this one takes the cake.
Somebody please remind me again, why do women continue to vote Republican?
Yes, all the murders must go to prison. For life or prolife death penalty.
ReplyDeleteI don't know, why?
ReplyDeleteAny Republican women out there? Can you answer this?
I am an Advanced Life Support - Cardiac EMT in a rural Virginia county. Occasionally we are called for a young woman with one or more of severe abdominal pain, vaginal hemorrhaging, extreme sensitivity to touch, and/or similar symptoms. Sadly, many of these turn out to be a miscarriage or an ectopic pregnancy -- not many, 2-3 a year, but every one of them tears out the hearts of everyone on the ambulance crew and in the ER.
ReplyDeleteBack in 2009 a Republican state senator, Mark Obenshain, introduced a bill that required any woman experiencing a miscarriage to report the fact to her local sheriff or police department. The report had to include mother's name, location of fetal remains, and other personal information. In addition to the mother, we medical personnel, including EMT's, were required to report miscarriages. The bill was defeated.
In 2013, Obenshain ran for Attorney General. During the campaign, he indicated he would, if elected, try again to pass this bullshit law.
During his campaign he spoke to a group of us EMT's after which he took questions. The first question was not a question. Instead, another EMT stood up and told Obenshain he'd be goddam if he or any EMT he knew would comply with the requirement to report a miscarriage. Everyone of us leaped to our feet cheering -- several approached him with hands in front of themselves telling him to "Cuff me here and now!!" We laughed his ass off the platform.
He didn't answer any more questions, left the venue, and never looked back. He lost the AG election, thank God.
I had a miscarriage years ago. It is a devastating experience for a woman. I felt "less than" as though I would never have another child. The experience alone is bad enough, not to mention if you also had to arrange a burial or cremation. When I did get pregnant again, my doctor was afraid I was experiencing an imagined pregnancy. I was 6 months along before he finally agreed that I really was expecting! Life altering experience, believe me.
DeleteClapping!!!!!
DeleteThank you and Thank all who stand up against this insanity!!!
THANK YOU AND YOUR FELLOW EMT'S.
DeleteYou and your fellow EMT's are a lot braver than the rest of the medical community which remains silent in the face of these insane proposals.
DeleteBeaglemom
Your small government at work.
ReplyDeleteThey won't stop until it's small enough to fit in a woman's vagina.
DeleteFucking morons. Leave me alone!
ReplyDeleteSpeaking of morons....
DeleteI guess Saree and Bristles are getting ready for the Rapture, Antichrist or a asteroid to hit on Sep. 23,2015.
Would love to have all these moron raptured out before the election... I'm wondering why none of the potus hopefuls have proposed Leg about it or Saree herself! She's such a newsbomb lately....
4:56 PM Seriously? My roomie told me he is going to Hawaii because his friend wants him to be there at the end of the world, sometime in September. What group is this?
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Is this really what it means to be conservative in America? If not, then conservatives should stand up and defend conservative principles without subscribing to a form of lunacy that defines them as well as the extremists.
ReplyDeleteNo, I say to conservatives -- don't stand up, don't do the right thing -- keep being lunatic assholes. All the better for progress and getting progressives into the White House and Congress.
DeleteAnd I suppose, an extra fee for cremation would be required, making it even tougher on low income women.
ReplyDeleteWhy yes.
DeleteThey'll be a fee for the death certificate too.
I'm sure they'll add fees to cover the additional certification and deposition requirements for all those involved.
They'll make sure not having a baby is more expensive than having one.
I had a miscarriage many years ago in my mid 20s. I'd taken a pregnancy test and had my first Dr appt scheduled, but miscarried the day before my appointment. It was like a heavier than normal period and had I not been trying to get pregnant I would not have given it too much thought. I've often wondered how many women are pregnant and miscarry without ever knowing. And I don't understand at all why any woman would ever vote Republican. Maybe Colin Powell if he ever ran for office but he's the only one I would even consider.
ReplyDeleteWhen I suspected I was pregnant, 20 years ago, my doctor's office told me not to even bother taking a pregnancy test or making an appointment until I had missed 3 periods, since the miscarriage rate is so high.
DeleteI, too, had an early miscarriage and didn't even know I was preggers -- it came out in tiny bloody pieces, gradually over days. What was there to bury?
DeleteThese men politicians do not know what a f**k they are talking about. This latest bill will surely die aborn'nin. If it passes, yet another stupid Rethug idea to help stop women from voting for them, surely?!?!?
Would this legislation mean that every sexually active woman would need to have her menstrual fluids examined every month by a lab just to make sure she didn't have a miscarriage? Don't want to be breaking any laws, after all.
DeleteAt what point would these nut jobs admit that it's absurd?
What do men know about pregnancy or women's bodies?
DeleteI, too, was pregnant but had a miscarriage after about a month. There was nothing to "bury" or "cremate." I was very sad, and still remember this loss, but it's my private business. I would never tell an official about what was happening with my body.
Why don't they require men who have vasectomies to publicly record their procedures, and chastise them for limiting the number of potential babies? Why don't they harvest condoms -- whenever they're bought, the name of the purchaser is recorded?
I too was pregnant as a result of a rape when I was 18. I had no idea I was pregnant and when I miscarried I was stunned at having such a heavy period as mine had always been light. It took me so long to put 2 and 2 together. Would these idiots like to shame me now?
DeleteWhy on earth would you vote for public liar like Colin Powell? Yes, they're all liars, but his obscene dog and pony show at the UN with his fake WMD "evidence" meant to cover Bush's and Cheney's warmongering asses was particularly gratuitous. He's a war criminal just like they are.
DeleteSo what do I do if I'm elected? I haven't a clue."
ReplyDelete"Heck, son, jes' get on the abortion/christian/terrorist gravy train and you'll be set for life."
This country is being torn apart by wretched greed and rampant stupidity. If this is what 2015-16 looks like, imaging 2020 and beyond.
ReplyDeleteI plan to be looking at it as an expat lol!!
DeleteRand Paul, faux "libertarian," is pushing with all his might to defund Planned Parenthood.
ReplyDeleteLibertarians are supposed to stay the hell out of people's personal lives.
With a tip of the hat to Monty Python, it seems to me that every time a dude masturbates, he needs to file death certificates for those millions of potential and now dead babies.
ReplyDelete♫ "Ev-er-y sperm is sacred, ev-er-y sperm is great... ♫
DeleteIf a sperm is wasted, God gets quite irate!
DeleteIt says so in the Bible doesn't it?
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Sarah thinks this is a good idea.
ReplyDeleteTrack can be the funeral director, Todd can build matchbook size coffins, Willow will do hair and Bristol will do make up.
Mitt will convert all the fetuses to Mormon before burial.
That would mean the Palins would be working. You see the problem there?
DeleteWow, those two comments really added nothing to the conversation.
DeleteThis law could never be enforced, they're just throwing red meat out to stir up the crazies. Anything to guide the conversation away from gun control.
What did YOUR comment add to the conversation, "DGM"?
DeleteYes, I'd really like you to tell us.
DGM's comments never add to the conversation. He just likes to wag his virtual finger in people's faces.
DeleteI thought the comments by 4:06 and 4:13 were right on target.
DeleteI'm getting a little fed up with some of these Dr. Jack Mehoff's pretending they're so intuned with it all. Every situation is different. Do with your own god given body what you will. If there is a soul in an embryo its my business not yours.
ReplyDeleteLOL.... The Dr. took me a second.
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I had a missed miscarriage at 8 or 9 weeks, then a D&E. Then my husband and I kept trying and got pregnant again a couple months later. The missed abortion didn't actually bother me all that much (not surprisingly, women can feel differently about these things).
ReplyDeleteBut, do you know what I didn't need? To fill out paperwork for a death certificate and possibly set myself up for an investigation to make sure it wasn't something I did that caused the end of my pregnancy.
I agree. What really angers me when this ugly proposal gets raised (and it has been raised before) is that the medical community stays silent. What courage our doctors, obgyn's and hospitals have!!!
DeleteMy experience was similar but the miscarriage (or "spontaneous abortion" but don't tell the GOP legislators that) happened suddenly. The only early indication was that, while I had thought I was pregnant and in fact got positive results from the doctor's office the same day, something had not seemed right. Frankly I was relieved. Having lived through a very complicated pregnancy with a happy result I was terrified of going anything like those months again. The human body is not so easy to legislate about and it would be best if the medical community would speak out LOUDLY and decisively and put these lunatics in their place - which is far away from women's bodies.
Beaglemom
I wish a woman in Congress would initiate a bill that states until men can get pregnant, they stay the hell out women's health issues.
ReplyDeleteO/T Obamacare repeal vote fails in Senate
http://www.politico.com/story/2015/07/obamacare-repeal-vote-fails-in-senate-120638.html
I really wish these idiots would start earning their salaries instead of rehashing the same old issues over and over and over again.
http://www.politico.com/story/2015/07/obamacare-repeal-vote-fails-in-senate-120638.html
I agree.
DeleteI kinda always wondered why women would go to a male ob/gyn. I personally didn't want a man who has no clue about a woman's experiences attending to me.
JMO. I think the lobbying of RWCNJ ob/gyns has hurt us.
These foul excuses for humans should be told loudly and often "Mind your own business", and not allowed anywhere near public office.
ReplyDeleteOn Bristol's Instagram page is a new item -- it's a quote that reads:
ReplyDelete"If you are pronounced dead when your heart stops, why aren't you pronounced alive when your heart starts?"
https://instagram.com/bsmp2/
One really big problem: No one is pronounced dead when their heart stops. As an Advanced Life Support - Cardiac EMT, I can count 5 times in the last 4 years I have found a person in cardiac arrest -- no blood pressure, no heartbeat in my stethoscope, no pulse. Apply the AED, give it a few seconds to analyze, shock, and heart starts. Of the 5 hearts I have restarted, 3 are still alive.
I guess I shouldn't try to confuse a Palin with facts.
I thought a person is pronounced death when there is no longer brain activity.
Delete5:26 Nancy French is the person who writes this pap as Bristol. I doubt that she even reads what is written in her name, nor does she care. If $carah is trying to make Bristol into a politician, she is wasting her time.
DeleteAnon at 8:38 pm. That wouldn't matter with Bristol. I'm not sure how much "brain activity" she has going on in her head on a good day.
DeleteBeaglemom
Because if you went by brain activity, more people would be declared dead who are still walking around.
DeletePity is these walking dead are allowed to vote.
"McConchie, of the AUL, told the Guardian the group had drafted a model “Dignified Final Disposition Act” and was tweaking it in response to the clandestine videos. “We’re working with legislators. There’s a lot of interest.”
ReplyDeleteOR IS THIS WRITTEN BY ALEC?
"The proposed law would mandate that fetal remains be cremated or buried. If cremated, they would have to be cremated separately from medical waste and a county medical examiner would have to authorise the cremation. "
Cremate what? Bury what? And by whose expense? Just another way to punish sinful women who have sex? How about an amendment that the FATHER pays for this and if there is no Father then the STATE pays for it?
"The act would also require fetal death certificates for “each fetal death after delivery, miscarriage or abortion”. A stillborn child would need a state-issued “certificate of birth resulting in stillbirth”.
Death certificates are for PEOPLE. Until you are born you are NOT A PERSON. We need to send a message loud and clear and permanently to all of the right wing fundies that a fertilized egg, a few cells, an embyo, a fetus is NOT A PERSON. It is a potential person but until it is born it is not a person.
"The AUL has helped pro-life legislators restrict abortion availability in many states in what has been dubbed a “stealth war” on abortion."
It's like the stealth war on education. They couldn't pass vouchers or privatize. So they're sucking the money out through NCLB, et al.
If those guys can make a corporation a "person" -- making a fetus one is easy-peasy.
DeleteBecause, what do doctors know.
DeleteAs someone who's experienced carrying a baby I learned late in my pregnancy would be born dead, I'm beyond offended that these asswipes feel the need to codify this stupid idea into law, and add to the burden/emotional and physical pain of loss. And what right do they have to enforce this fetal disposal law? The fetal tissue IS hazardous waste and is already treated as such. I recall, in my case, we were given the option to have the stillborn child buried/or cremated if we wished, and we chose what we felt was best for us.
ReplyDeleteI guess Sarah was almost right about "death panels". Women will have to go before a judge, have their fetus/ stillborn child declared dead. etc.
What about conception after rape? Will the conservative cough cough movement force women fill out death certificates, which means they need to list a name for the fetus AND a name for the father?
We need MORE WOMEN in high places, preferably smart, liberal women who understand women's issues from a woman's prospective.
If we grant "personhood" status to fetuses, would a pregnant woman be allowed to vote for the fetus as well?
So sorry for your loss. I had a miscarriage, after an Air Force doctor examined me and said "You are NOT pregnant. In future, do not come to this clinic wasting my time, unless you are sure. While I am wasting my time with YOU, I could be attending to a real patient" Two weeks later, I was losing a lot of blood. Called the base hospital to talk to him. Was told he was on the golf course, since "doctors get time off, you know" Next thing I knew, the baby dropped into the toilet, tiny as a little fist. Took it to the hospital. All the neigbors were upset about this doctor. My husband complained to the base commander and was told "You could ruin this man;s reputation" My husband said "He should not be practicing if he can not tell if a woman is pregnant or not" Took a long time to recover from that, was so afraid it would happen again. A few months later, had another D&C positive I was having another miscarriage. The civilian doctor told me I had not been pregnant, but said "We are going to let the Air Force pay for this, since they ARE responsible"
DeleteAnita---I am so sorry for your loss. I myself had a late-term fetal death (26 weeks). In my case, I had to have a late-term abortion procedure because labor did not commence on its own and I was in danger of sepsis.
DeleteOne of the worst experiences of my life was making my way through the line of fanatical protestors waving signs of dead fetuses and screaming at me to "let my baby live!!!"
I can't imagine having to fill out a death certificate on top of that.
These legislators are plain evil, pure and simple.
5:48, I cannot even imagine what you went through. Every time I hear ignorant voices talk about late term abortions I feel like slapping them. They don't understand the human body, how it functions, and they certainly don't know what sepsis is.
DeleteIt is evil, and it hope voters see it for what it is.
Thank You for giving voice to your experiences and for your kind words. Your compassion restores my faith in our shared humanity.
DeleteIf they force women to fill out the death certificates, how will they feel if the father is listed as "Rapist" and the fetus is listed as "Rapist Jr."?
DeleteIf it gets to miscarriages then every woman in South Dakota is going have to save and submit for testing every menstrual pad or tampon from her first period until he is no longer fertile. Have fun with budgeting that one SoDak. Even better will be the number of cops they'll need to track every woman's period so they can send a collector out ever day and pick up the discards for testing. I'm a guy and this is about the stupidest idea I've heard of so far.
ReplyDeleteThe labs are way behind on testing rape kits, how will they have time for this? Dumbass republicans.
DeleteDo these morons believe that if a woman, who, perhaps, has made a serious mistake, is forced to deliver a child she will necessarily love and care for it? More often than not, this innocent baby becomes a burden who struggles through childhood. And to what end? Said baby, now adolescent or young adult, will probably be denied opportunites because he/she left school early and had no guidance as to an alternative path through life. And, will these mothers step up and provide a better future? Well, of course, some will, often with the help of family and that is great. But, in truth, this does not happen often enough.
ReplyDeleteAlthough I do firmly believe that abortion is a woman's right (would it be otherwise if the man were the child bearer???) I certain do not condone arbitrary procedures. If you have three boys and the fourth is not the girl you desire, it is just stupid and cruel, in my opinion, to opt for an abortion. But, in the end, it is a woman's right, plain and simple.
Next thing you know, females starting at age 13 will have to present themselves at state-run clinics for pregnancy testing once a month.
ReplyDeleteWould someone please explain to these idiots that "The Handmaid's Tale" is not supposed to be a how-to manual for running a functional society?
ReplyDeleteAnd what documents are required for miscarriages that go on living such as Cheney, Bush et al ?
ReplyDeleteAnd what document is required for miscarriages that go on living such as Cheney, Bush et al?
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