Showing posts with label liar. Show all posts
Showing posts with label liar. Show all posts

Monday, October 30, 2017

Former Trump Campaign Adviser George Papadopoulos admits to lying about secretly attempting to set up meeting between Russian operatives and the Trump campaign. Update!

George Papadopoulos
Courtesy of NBC News: 

A former Trump campaign adviser struck a cooperation agreement with Special Counsel Robert Mueller, secretly pleading guilty three weeks ago to lying to federal agents about his contacts with Kremlin-connected Russians. 

George Papadopoulos, who joined the Trump team in spring 2016 as an energy and foreign policy expert, communicated with a "campaign supervisor" during the campaign about his attempts to arrange a meeting with the Russians to discuss U.S.-Russia ties during a Trump presidency, according to court documents. 

The supervisor, who was not named in the documents, told him, "Great work." 

He relayed to the superviser that during his communications with Russian contacts, the Russians said they had "dirt" on Hillary Clinton and thousands of emails. 

Papadopoulos lied to the FBI about the timing and nature of the communications, officials said. 

"Through his false statements and omissions, defendant ... impeded the FBI's ongoing investigation into the existence of any links or coordination between individuals associated with the Campaign and the Russian government's efforts to interfere with the 2016 presidential election," prosecutors wrote.

And now the dominoes are all starting to fall.

Oh man you just know that Trump's orange tinged sphincter is locking up tight right now.

Update: This seems like pertinent information.
Tsk, tsk, tsk, one should never lie to the FBI.

Makes me wonder who else lied, and when Mueller will pull the rug out from under them? 

Friday, October 20, 2017

Donald Trump doubles down on attack of "wacky" Congresswoman who called him out over insensitive call to Gold Star family even though his Chief of Staff confirmed she was telling the truth.

Courtesy of Raw Story: 

Both the family and Wilson released statements that refute Trump’s take on the call. Wilson is a close friend of the Johnson family and had the late Sgt. La David Johnson in a leadership class as a child. She’s known him for more than 15 years. The Master Sergeant with the family riding to the airport to retrieve the body was the one who received the call. He put it on speakerphone so that the all in the car could hear the call. 

The soldier’s mother confirmed the Congresswoman’s account of the situation. Rather than attack the family of a fallen soldier, however, Trump has chosen to attack a Democratic Congresswoman, calling her “wacky” in his Thursday tweet.

What's even stranger about this is that yesterday Trump's Chief of Staff, John Kelly, admitted that HE was the one who suggested the phrase "He knew what he signed up for" which essentially confirmed that Trump had said it.

And of course the family also backed up Wilson's version of events.

So WHO is the liar here?

Thursday, October 19, 2017

Donald Trump cannot even make a condolence call to the family of a deceased soldier correctly.

Courtesy of AP: 

Relatives of people who died in military service have recounted varied interactions with President Donald Trump in the difficult days and weeks after their loved one’s death. Despite Trump’s boast that he reaches out personally to all families of the fallen, interviews with families members did not support his claim. Some never heard from him at all, and a few who did came away more upset. 

The Associated Press reached out to the families of all 43 people who have died in military service since Trump became president and made contact with about half the families. Of those who would address the question, relatives of nine said they had heard from Trump by phone or mail. Relatives of nine others said they haven’t. 

Several spoke of being comforted by Trump but at least one call went awry: Cowanda Jones-Johnson told the AP that Trump spoke disrespectfully of her fallen nephew, Sgt. La David Johnson, when he called family members Tuesday. Johnson was among four servicemen killed in Niger earlier this month.

Of course the story that was tearing through the internet yesterday was this one.

Courtesy of WaPo:

President Trump, in a personal phone call to a grieving military father, offered him $25,000 and said he would direct his staff to establish an online fundraiser for the family, but neither happened, the father said. 

Chris Baldridge, the father of Army Sgt. Dillon Baldridge, said that Trump called him at his home in Zebulon, N.C., a few weeks after his 22-year-old son and two fellow soldiers were fatally shot by an Afghan police officer on June 10. Their phone conversation lasted about 15 minutes, Baldridge said, and centered for a time on the father’s struggle with the manner in which his son was killed — shot by someone he was training. 

“I said, ‘Me and my wife would rather our son died in trench warfare,’ ” Baldridge said. “I feel like he got murdered over there.” 

Trump’s offer of $25,000 adds a dimension to his relationships with Gold Star families, and the disclosure follows questions about how often the president has called or written to the parents or spouses of those killed.

When reporters started trying to get an answer from the White House as to why Trump did not actually write this check, this happened:  

President Donald Trump sent a $25,000 personal check to the family of a fallen soldier the same day that The Washington Post reported that he had promised the soldier's father a personal donation during a June condolence call but never followed through. 

A White House official confirms to CNN that the President sent a personal check Wednesday to the family of Army Cpl. Dillon Baldridge Wednesday. Baldridge, 22, was killed in June by an Afghan police officer.

Now to be fair a president is NOT expected to volunteer his personal money to the family of a fallen soldier. But when you are trying to convince the country that you are better at this than your predecessor, well then let the mocking begin.

However before we turn to such frivolity we need to remember that there are those who will go to great lengths to defend the Orange Fuhrer.

Courtesy of CBS Miami:

Rep. Frederica Wilson’s office claims multiple threatening phone calls directed at congresswoman came into her D.C. office on Wednesday. 

Her staff told CBS4’s Carey Codd the calls were directly related to the phone call from the president to the wife of Army Sgt. La David Johnson. 

The congresswoman’s staff said they alerted the Capital Police, Miami Garden Police and the threat division of the U.S. House of Representatives. 

Codd was told she is safe and that she is being protected at this point.

It must be remembered that this entire thing was self inflicted.

Trump was the one who bragged that while other presidents before him, President Obama in particular of course,  were a little hit and miss when it came to reaching out to Gold Star families, he was talking to ALL of them.

And then when called out on that lie, and confronted with his lack of empathy, he started to attack those who criticized him.

This is why we are not supposed to allow a thin skinned lunatic into the White House. 

Sunday, October 15, 2017

Monday, March 20, 2017

NBC News reports on Donald Trump's problems with lying as his approval ratings plummet.

THIS is what NBC News is starting off their broadcast with tonight following the Comey hearings this morning.

No longer is there any pussyfooting about Trump's false statements, NOW they are simply calling him what he is.

A liar.

And if that were not bad enough Trump's approval ratings are now reflecting the American people's lack of confidence in his ability to do the job and their ability to trust anything that he says.


Courtesy of HuffPo: 

President Donald Trump’s latest approval rating has sunk to a new low, according to the latest Gallup poll. 

Only 37 percent of Americans approve of the job Trump is doing, and 58 percent disapprove, the daily poll found Sunday. Those are the worst ratings since he took office eight weeks ago. His approval rating stood at 45 percent just nine days ago. 

Trump’s approval rating is lower than any other president at this point in his first term since Gallup started tracking the numbers 72 years ago in 1945. Barack Obama’s rating at this point in his presidency was 60 percent.

And remember, this was BEFORE the Comey hearing this morning.

Wait until it starts to hit negative numbers. 


Sunday, February 26, 2017

Donald Trump is better than everybody. Just ask him.

It is not just that he is the world's biggest braggart.

It is that he is actually not the best at ANYTHING.

If you met this guy in a bar you would either, as a woman, throw a drink in his face, or as a man, take him outside so he could prove his superiority.

In the real world Donald Trump would spend his life wiping alcohol off his face, or collecting his teeth off of the ground.

Sunday, November 06, 2016

The National Enquirer buys former Playboy model's story of her affair with Donald Trump, to keep it secret.

Trump with Karen McDougal.
Courtesy of the Daily Mail: 

The National Enquirer's publishing company paid a Playboy model $150,000 for her story about having an affair with Donald Trump - but never ran it, sources have said. 

Karen McDougal, the 1998 Playmate of the year, claimed she had a consensual relationship with Trump over several months beginning in 2006, the Wall Street Journal reported Friday. 

But the National Enquirer didn't publish anything about McDougal's allegations, despite paying six figures for the information, according to people familiar with the matter and documents reviewed by the Wall Street Journal. 

Trump married Melania, his third wife, in January 2005. 

And there goes the last of the journalistic integrity that the Enquirer earned by reporting on the John Edwards affair story.

This is completely indefensible.

Besides its not like most Americans do not already simply ASSUME that Trump cheats on his wife, virtually everything we know about him would lead to that conclusion.

Still seeing the Enquirer do this offers a peek into how Trump "manages" unflattering press and keeps his "useful idiots" from learning the truth about him.

Tuesday, September 27, 2016

Pulitzer prize winning New York Times reporter "There is no evidence that Donald Trump is a billionaire."


Courtesy of Business Insider:

David Cay Johnston, former New York Times reporter, Pulitzer Prize winner and author of "The Making of Donald Trump," has investigated Donald Trump for nearly three decades. He reveals how Trump calculates his supposed billion dollar net worth.

I love this part:

"He had a negative net worth of 295 million."

Everything, and I mean EVERYTHING about this idiot is bullshit. 

Saturday, September 17, 2016

Donald Trump wants to put the whole "birther" thing behind him but here are some of his tweets AFTER President Obama produced his long form birth certificate which prove that should not be allowed.

The following are courtesy of Slate:














As you can see Trump continued banging this drum even after the President took the unprecedented step of releasing his long form birth certificate to the media.

And it is also clear that Trump never saw anything since that release which convinced him that Obama was born in Hawaii and not Kenya.

So what convinced him yesterday that Obama was born in America?

Or was he lying all the time about not being convinced?

That is certainly what Senator Elizabeth Warren thinks.
And that is just it, either the guy is a conspiracy chasing buffoon who is easily manipulated by Right Wing "news" sites, or he is a lying POS who purposely faked this whole thing just to attract the lunatics and tin foil hat wearers that now make up the base of his support.

It is actually hard to determine which one of those is true, however it would seem that both  are disqualifying.

Tuesday, August 09, 2016

Meme of the day.

Source

This article from Politico appears to be the source.

Of course Trump is full of shit about this, what is it that he is not full of shit about?

The only question is how long can his supporters keep their heads buried in the sand?

Silly question they're Republicans, burying their head in the sand is what they do.

Saturday, July 09, 2016

Sarah Palin's favorite Navy Seal super sniper seems to have fibbed about the medals he won.

Courtesy of the Navy Times: 

The Navy has concluded there is no evidence that famed Navy SEAL Chris Kyle received two of the valor awards he had claimed in his best-selling memoir, including a second Silver Star. 

In an unusual move, the service has re-issued the DD-214 discharge paperwork to support the medals that the late Chief Special Warfare Operator (SEAL) Chris Kyle received during his 10-year Navy career, finding no records for two of six Bronze Stars with combat 'V' and the second Silver Star, two of which he had claimed in "American Sniper." However, the renowned SEAL sniper had earned the Silver Star and four Bronze Stars, the review confirmed. 

The Navy’s reissuing of the late Kyle's DD-214 adjusts his confirmed valor awards and continues to raise questions about other elements of Kyle's legendary story, including stories he told after he left the service in 2009. Already a combat hero, the second Silver Star would have made Kyle one of the Navy's most decorated service members in the post-9/11 era, which has drawn heavily on the skill and secrecy of special operations troops.

What? A person that Sarah Palin deified and all but drooled over was a lying piece of shit?

You could have knocked me over with a feather.

Does that mean that Kyle was also lying when he said this?

"Todd Palin is a badass!" 

Nah, obviously that part was true.
 My question would be, "Is there anybody that Sarah Palin admires who is NOT an habitual liar?"

Friday, May 13, 2016

So did Donald Trump pose as his own spokesperson back in the 1990's? Certainly sounds like it.

Here is the entire Today show video from this morning.

Trump: Wow. You mean you are going so low as to talk about something that took place 25 years ago, about whether or not I made a phone call? I guess you’re saying under a presumed name. 

Guthrie: Yes, under a presumed name. 

Trump: Okay. The answer is no. Let’s get on to more current subjects. I know it’s wonderful for your listeners, but we have more important things to discuss.

I disagree. If a person running for President is so unhinged as to fake being an entirely different person so that he can brag about himself, without seeming arrogant (A pretense that he has completely dropped these days by the way.), I think THAT is something the voting public deserves to know.

And it appears that we actually do know that is was him.

Courtesy of the Washington Post:
   
A recording obtained by The Washington Post captures what New York reporters and editors who covered Trump’s early career experienced in the 1970s, ’80s and ’90s: calls from Trump’s Manhattan office that resulted in conversations with “John Miller” or “John Barron” — public-relations men who sound precisely like Trump himself — who indeed are Trump, masquerading as an unusually helpful and boastful advocate for himself, according to the journalists and several of Trump’s top aides.

So apparently in the minds of the journalists who covered him and his own top aides, there was no question that this was indeed Trump.

And that could prove problematic. Just get a load of some of the things this "spokesman" said about himself Trump: 

“Actresses,” Miller said in the call to Carswell, “just call to see if they can go out with him and things.” Madonna “wanted to go out with him.” And Trump’s alter ego boasted that in addition to living with Maples, Trump had “three other girlfriends.”

Yeah that should really help Trump with the female voters.

The other Trump alias, this John Barron, is also a name that pops up quite frequently in Trump's life: 

A “John Baron,” described as a “vice-president of the Trump organization,” appeared in a front-page New York Times article as early as 1980, defending Trump’s decision to destroy sculptures on the facade of the Bonwit Teller department store building, the Fifth Avenue landmark he was demolishing to make way for his Trump Tower. Barron was quoted variously as a “Trump spokesman,” “Trump executive,” or “Trump representative” in New York magazine, The Washington Post and other publications. 

Trump’s fascination with the name “Barron” persisted for decades. When he was seeing Maples while still married to Ivana, he sometimes used the code name “the Baron” when he left messages for her. In 2004, when Trump commissioned a dramatic TV series based on the life of a New York real estate mogul like him, his only request to the writer was to name the main character “Barron.” And when Trump and his third wife, Melania, had a son, they named him Barron.

You know just when I think I have seen the oddest think imaginable in this election cycle, I get proven wrong.

I literally have NO idea what comes nest, but I am certain it will not be boring. 

Thursday, April 07, 2016

California investigators raid home of guy who made doctored Planned Parenthood videos, take laptop and hard drives as evidence.

Courtesy of Politico:  

California investigators on Tuesday evening searched the apartment of David Daleiden, the anti-abortion activist behind the series of sting videos released last summer showing Planned Parenthood officials discussing fees for fetal tissue and organs. 

California Attorney General Kamala Harris said last summer that she would investigate whether Daleiden broke laws in the course of his sting operation, which spurred a huge political battle over Planned Parenthood's federal funding. Daleiden filmed part of his project in Planned Parenthood clinics in California.

Investigators took Daleiden's personal laptop and multiple hard drives from his Orange County, Calif., home, according to a source close to Daleiden. They also attempted to take his phone as he was talking to his attorneys, the source said. 

Daleiden has denied that he broke any laws. But officials with Planned Parenthood, the National Abortion Federation and their allies say he used false identification, broke confidentiality agreements and recorded without consent, among other charges. Besides facing at least two civil lawsuits, Daleiden has been indicted in Harris County, Texas, for using false identification and trying to buy human tissue. He posted bond in February.

What? You mean you can't use a false identification and then doctor video to attack an organization that provides health care services for women?

Who knew?

I hope they put his ass away for decades. 

Sunday, July 26, 2015

Veterans named as supporters of Donald Trump say they "Don't know anything about it."

"Supporters, just names I found on a list somewhere, what's the difference?"
Courtesy of the Guardian:  

Several people listed as part of the “Veterans for Trump coalition” formed by Donald Trump following his incendiary comments about John McCain’s war record have denied they are part of the group, the Guardian has learned. 

Trump’s campaign announced the formation of the New Hampshire-based group in response to criticism of the business mogul’s labelling of McCain, who spent five and a half years in a North Vietnamese jail, where he was tortured, as “not a war hero”. 

A number of people were named as members of “Veterans for Trump” on Trump’s election website. “These veterans have pledged their support to Mr Trump in the primary, and they will be advocating for him,” a press release said. 

But when the Guardian contacted several claimed Veterans for Trump members on Friday, three said they had never heard of the organisation and had not signed up as members. 

“I don’t know anything about it,” said Ernie Fusi, an 88-year-old second world war veteran from Atkinson, New Hampshire. His name was among 51 “Veterans for Trump” whose details were sent out to the media and listed on Trump’s website. 

“I haven’t told anyone I want to get in on that,” Fusi said. “I’m not going to do any campaigning.”

There are two others quoted in the article as well. The Trump campaign's response to hearing this news was to say these men were liars and to claim they are "extremely proud of their support."

So to be clear the Trump campaign is saying the word of these men is not to be trusted, and yet they are bragging about having their support. Does anybody else find that a little psychotic?

By the way guess who is thrilled that he can now go after Scott Walker

Trump's antics have more than one journalist suggesting that he might be a fascist.

Yeah, I buy that.

Monday, June 29, 2015

Radar Online calls bullshit on Bristol Palin's claims that she was never paid to be an abstinence spokesperson.

Courtesy of Radar Online:

Just days after announcing her second pregnancy out of wedlock, mama bear Bristol Palin was back on the defensive, addressing the wave of critics who have called the former abstinence advocate a hypocrite in a blistering blog post. “I have never been paid as an ‘abstinence spokesperson,'” she said, although RadarOnline.com has learned she earned more than $300,000 spreading that very message. 

Palin admits she was employed by “the great people at the Candies Foundation [sic],” and according to tax records obtained by Radar, she was paid $262,5000 in 2009 for her work as an advocate, and $70,000 the year after. 

While Palin insists that her focus, and that of the organization’s, was simply to prevent teen pregnancy, her statements in those years were stridently pro-abstinence. 

In 2009, she told Good Morning America, “regardless of what I did personally, I just think that abstinence is the only … 100 percent foolproof way to prevent pregnancy,” and promised a magazine in that year, “I’m not going to have sex until I’m married: I can guarantee it.” 

And when Palin made an appearance with the head of the Candie’s Foundation on Greta Van Susteren‘s On The Record in 2010, Van Susteren introduced her by saying, “”Bristol is promoting abstinence for the Candie’s Foundation.” What’s more, her listing on the webpage for the Single Source Speakers Agency lists “abstinence” as the very first topic of her expertise.

This is obviously bullshit, and Bristol is an idiot to deny the facts when they are so easily to locate online.  

In fact the folks at the Inquisitr have determined that Bristol made somewhere in the vicinity of one million dollars as a direct result of her time as a abstinence spokesperson.

By the way if you want to hear Bristol Palin delivering a speech to a pro-life group in 2010 as a direct result of her work as an abstinence spokesperson then here you go. (However I must warn you that she is an absolutely TERRIBLE speaker.)

You will notice that Bristol had no problem lying to these people about "accidentally" becoming pregnant when we all know that she planned that pregnancy as well.

P.S. This is the most recent post on Bristol's Instagram:

 Here is what she wrote to go along with it: 

AKA every negative comment on my IG 😂 .. Don't people have work? Or kids? Or hobbies other than trolling? #mustbeafulltimejob

Really not doing herself any favors here is she?

Wednesday, June 10, 2015

Donald Rumsfeld says that he never thought forcing democracy on Iraq was a good idea. Now he tells us.

Courtesy of MSNBC:

In an interview with British newspaper The Times, Rumsfeld said that efforts to oust Saddam Hussein and replace his tyrannical regime with democracy were unworkable, and that he had concerns about the plan from the beginning. 

“I’m not one who thinks that our particular template of democracy is appropriate for other countries at every moment of their histories,” Rumsfeld told The Times. “The idea that we could fashion a democracy in Iraq seemed to me unrealistic. I was concerned about it when I first heard those words.”

WTF?

Rumsfeld has just as much blood on his hands as do Bush, Cheney, and Wolfowitz, among others. And there is nothing he can say now that will wash them clean.

Remember this is the guy who once said:

"There are known knowns. These are things we know that we know. There are known unknowns. That is to say, there are things that we know we don't know. But there are also unknown unknowns. There are things we don't know we don't know."

Sounds to me as if there were more knowns than unknowns, but this asshole didn't have the balls to say them out loud when it could have prevented the deaths of thousands of American soldiers and hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of Iraqis.

I wonder how many more rats will jump ship in the months to come?

Wednesday, February 25, 2015

Now Bill O'Reilly is threatening reporters for covering his Falklands war exaggerations.

Courtesy of New York Magazine: 

When NBC News suspended Brian Williams over his various exaggerations, Bill O'Reilly was characteristically sanctimonious. "Reporting comes with a big responsibility, the Founding Fathers made that point very clearly," he said. "They said to us, 'We'll give you freedom. We'll protect you from government intrusion. But, in return, you, the press, must be honest.'" Judging from O'Reilly's actions after he was accused last week of similar fabrications concerning his reporting for CBS News during the Falklands War, he also disagrees with how Williams handled the situation. Rather than apologizing and lying low, O'Reilly has lashed out at various journalists covering the controversy, and now he's reportedly threatened a reporter from the New York Times. 

The Times reported on Monday night: 

During a phone conversation, he told a reporter for The New York Times that there would be repercussions if he felt any of the reporter’s coverage was inappropriate. “I am coming after you with everything I have,” Mr. O’Reilly said. “You can take it as a threat.” 

Emily Steel, who co-authored the story with Ravi Somaiya, confirmed on Twitter that O'Reilly was speaking to her. 

Another bullying POS.

And of course he threatens a woman, that's what all of these assholes do. Threaten the people they think will be intimidated and too afraid to fight back.

I hope the press stays on this story until he is forced to admit he lied or until he is chased off the air. 

Wednesday, February 11, 2015

Ted Nugent does not appreciate that we call him a pedophile, or draft dodger, or share other truths about him on the internet.

Courtesy of Raw Story:  

Conservative rocker Ted Nugent on Tuesday lashed out at what he called liberal “a gang of punks” on the Internet for accusing him of being a draft dodger, a racist, and a pedophile. 

On Tuesday edition of Newsmax’s Mid-point, Nugent explained how excited he was to join host Ed Berliner for an interview. 

“My American dream glows so vibrantly, I might squirt through the phone and stain the entire listening audience. God bless America!” Nugent exclaimed. 

“That would be awfully messy,” Berliner noted. “I mean, the paper towels we would need would be horrible.” 

“You would need more than that,” Nugent quipped. “I’d recommend an Olympic-sized down-filled comforter with a couple of large friends of mine with Louisville Sluggers to ram it elsewhere. My point being, I’m here to share my effervescence because I’m addicted to truth, logic, common sense and the American way.”

Gee I wonder why people think Nugent is a deviant?  

When it came to his political views, Nugent said that his rhetoric was “over the edge” because people like President Barack Obama and NBC anchor Brian Williams had created a “goofy planet of the apes America.” 

According to the Motor City Madman, there were a “gang of punks” on the Internet that monitored everything he did.

Nugent then goes on to complain that people online make up quotes out of thin air and attribute them to him.

You mean like suggesting that the first black President had created a "goofy planet of apes" in America?

Nugent then offers up the charges of being a racist or being a pedophile as examples.

Well the pedophile charges come from allegations by Courtney Love that she performed fellatio on Nugent when she was 12 years old, and is kind of backed up by lyrics like this: 

Well, I don't care if you're just 13 
You look too good to be true 
I just know that you're probably clean... 
Jailbait you look fine, fine, fine... 
It's quite alright, I asked your mama 
Wait a minute, officer 
Don't put those handcuffs on me 
Put them on her, and I'll share her with you 

Not exactly words that spring to mind if you are NOT into having sex with underage girls.

As for the racist part, well:  

MTV is a liberal lump of hippy snot. They are embarrassing. Those big uneducated greasy black mongrels on there, they call themselves rap artists. Excuse me? During a bad bloody case of diarrhea, I got more soul than those guys do at the peak of their life. That's not music. What do you slap some electronic noisemaker and then grunt to it? And this is like soul? No, excuse me, you want to know what soul is? No wonder James Brown went to prison, no wonder Wilson Pickett went to jail, no wonder Chuck Barry went to jail. They're embarrassed by their black brothers. That's not soul. That's not cool. That's stupid.

Well since we are on the topic what about misogyny:  

About Hillary Clinton: "You probably can't use the term `toxic cunt' in your magazine, but that's what she is. Her very existence insults the spirit of individualism in this country. This bitch is nothing but a two-bit whore for Fidel Castro."

Yeah you know perhaps people would make up quotes about Ted Nugent to smear his name, but the facts are how could they get a word in edgewise while he is doing that for them?

Saturday, January 31, 2015

Texas Governor to declare Feb. 2 as "Chris Kyle Day." Well of course he is.

Let's face it, a man famous for killing over a hundred men, women, and children with a gun, how could he not get a day named after him?

Add to that the fact that he is also a famous liar and to be honest I don't see how Texas had any choice.

I imagine that Florida will now have to declare a "George Zimmerman Day" just to save face.